Current Events > Bayonetta Smash players battle through boos at EVO

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tl;dr crowd boos Bayonetta players, 16-year-old player, who has received death threats for playing the character, flips off crowd at end of match.

https://kotaku.com/bayonetta-players-battled-through-the-boos-at-evo-2018s-1828113696

Several Bayonetta players made it into the Super Smash Brothers 4 finals at Evo 2018 this year, although surprisingly, last years Evo winner and Bayonetta player Saleem Salem Akiel Young wasnt one of them. Salems upset last year coincided with the longstanding debate over whether Bayonettas combo-linking abilities make her an unfair opponent, and after tonights results, that debate shows no signs of slowing down.

The crowd soured on Bayonetta early on, when 16-year-old Bayo main Zack CaptainZack Lauth battled his way into the Top 8 finals to a chorus of booing from the crowd. After wrapping up his controller, CaptainZack shot a businesslike middle finger to the crowd. The commentators noted their disapproval of the young players behavior, but came down more strongly against the audiences booing, which would continue throughout the rest of the Smash 4 finals.

When Diddy Kong player Jestise MVD Negron lost his first Losers Quarter-Final match to Bayonetta main Tamim Mistake Omary, the crowd booed once again, but MVD turned around and waved his arms at them to quiet them. They cooled down after that, but then, MVD lost the match-up thanks to a poorly timed banana throw.

Throughout the finals, other Smash pros weighed in on the crowds poor reception of Bayonetta players, with one posting that the boos were a bad look. CaptainZack posted, stop booing me like I care, and Mistake put up a photo of himself with the other two Bayonetta mains in Top 8, writing, did we kill the game?

During the Losers Semi-Final, Japanese Diddy Kong and Sheik player Yuta Nietono Uejima managed to take down Mistake, but he couldnt manage to defeat CaptainZacks Bayonetta, who 3-0d him and put him in third place overall.

After that, it all came down to the young CaptainZack and the similarly young Tamim Lima Omary (age 16 and 17 respectively) in a Bayonetta versus Bayonetta battle for the top honors. Lima had already knocked CaptainZack to the losers bracket in a tight 3-2 match early on in the finals, and when CaptainZack came back to face him, Lima took the first two matches.

Then, CaptainZack turned it into a reverse sweep and won the match-up. During their final match, Lima died by accident, and CaptainZack flung himself off the ledge as well in a show of solidarity. After CaptainZack won that game and reset the bracket, kicking off yet another Bayo-vs-Bayo best-of-five, the crowd didnt sound happy, but the two players on stage were laughing together like old friends.

In fact, they didnt seem to want to fight at all anymore. At the start of the final reset, CaptainZack and Lima faced their Bayonettas towards one another but didnt attack for several seconds. The crowd roared in confusion; multiple Evo staffers came on stage to ask the players what was going on, with one eventually ordering the pair to get going and play already. The two complied, resulting in Limas eventual win. Lima and CaptainZack hugged, their happiness and pride evident despite the haters all around them.

Neither player was expected to win it all at Evo this year. Lima placed 9th in Evo 2017, and CaptainZack came in at 17th place last year. CaptainZack has told Kotaku in the past that, although hes gotten death threats for playing as the controversial Bayonetta and also has struggle[d] with self-confidence issues, the character inspires him: Its her confidence, her sassiness, its what I aspire to be... I want to walk on-stage and I want people to be scared. Smash 4 fans may hate these two, but based on their joy on stage at the event, theyve clearly learned how to absorb those boos and become all the more powerful.
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lol smash
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People still go to evo these days!?
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Sounds like other players should play Bayo or learn to beat them. You can never please many gamers because someone's always going to be top tier. At least she's not meta knight in Brawl, that was about the only character I ever took issue with, mostly because of his insane recovery ability and like every move was a recovery move. Bayo's not so far above the others like he was, she can be beaten.
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Better than Fox in Melee... For now...
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People take Super Smash Brothers way the fuck too seriously.
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Why are Kotaku writers so like that
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Imagine taking a simple party game this seriously.
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WaterLink posted...

Sounds like other players should play Bayo or learn to beat them. You can never please many gamers because someone's always going to be top tier. At least she's not meta knight in Brawl, that was about the only character I ever took issue with, mostly because of his insane recovery ability and like every move was a recovery move. Bayo's not so far above the others like he was, she can be beaten.

It's not that. Many players did either start playing Bayo or learn to beat them. But she's still too good of a character. And spectators have no interest in seeing Bayonetta at all.

Fortunately, the game is dead in 4 months due to Ultimate's release.
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Slinging death threats over entertainment is childish under every circumstance.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

It's not that. Many players did either start playing Bayo or learn to beat them. But she's still too good of a character. And spectators have no interest in seeing Bayonetta at all.

Well that's their problem. She's not Fox in Melee or Meta Knight in Brawl. You nerf her then Cloud will be OP (he already kinda is in his own right). Some characters are just better than others, but from playing and watching she's not too far ahead of the pack. There's always gonna be a top dog or 2 in games like these, you cant just keep nerfing everyone that's on top, other people just need to get better.

When Ultimate comes out there'll be another character or 2 that is top tier and the crowd will say is "unfair". That's just how it goes. Tired of all the whining.
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WaterLink posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

It's not that. Many players did either start playing Bayo or learn to beat them. But she's still too good of a character. And spectators have no interest in seeing Bayonetta at all.

Well that's their problem. She's not Fox in Melee or Meta Knight in Brawl. You nerf her then Cloud will be OP (he already kinda is in his own right). Some characters are just better than others, but from playing and watching she's not too far ahead of the pack. There's always gonna be a top dog or 2 in games like these, you cant just keep nerfing everyone that's on top, other people just need to get better.

When Ultimate comes out there'll be another character or 2 that is top tier and the crowd will say is "unfair". That's just how it goes. Tired of all the whining.

That how is it. When the best of the meta cannot stop a certain character then it is time to rethink what is or isn't to strong. The pros ultimately definite the meta, and Bayonetta crushes all opposition from even better players than the one using her, then she is overpowered.

Bayonetta is totes OP. She has needed a nerf for a long time.
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Yeah, I read about this. Not a good showing for Smash 4's final year at EVO, even if Bayonetta is the most polarizing character in the game.
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Smash players: Melee is good because Fox can 0-KO people
Also Smash players: Bayonetta is overpowered boo anyone who plays her.
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That writer is a gigantic bitch. People cant handle booing nowadays? Ive been personally heckled by an opposing teams fans on multiple occasions back when I played sports. People are soft as shit.

That's pathetic. Not even Meta Knight players in Brawl received that kind of treatment, IIRC.
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cammypourn posted...

That writer is a gigantic bitch. People cant handle booing nowadays? Ive been personally heckled by an opposing teams fans on multiple occasions back when I played sports. People are soft as shit.

booing is one thing but death threats are another.
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cammypourn posted...

That writer is a gigantic bitch. People cant handle booing nowadays? Ive been personally heckled by an opposing teams fans on multiple occasions back when I played sports. People are soft as shit.

Literally ignoring death threats

Banjo2553 posted...

That's pathetic. Not even Meta Knight players in Brawl received that kind of treatment, IIRC.

Meta knight destroyed brawl to the point it was a joke, and brawl already a joke. Wii games also had a very hard time getting patched. Bayonetta doesn't have that kind of excuse. She should've gotten patched, and smash 4 has some balance in it.

Lol they can stay mad about it. Bayonetta continues to upset these sensitive bitches. Congratulations to the winners.
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Also, half the crowd left their seats when Bayo vs Bayo Grand Finals came up:
https://twitter.com/dabuzsenpai/status/1025974056753876995?s=21

Here's the stalling that happened:
https://clips.twitch.tv/WonderfulPiliableSquirrelBleedPurple
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Dont forget other Fighting game fans hate smash because it takes forever to finish.
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The problem with Bayonetta is that she's ridiculously easy to pick up compared to Meta Knight or Ice Climbers, both of whom are far more cancerous than her. You don't need to learn precise timing, complex combos, or abuse movement options, you just hit your opponents with a frame 4 move and get 50% on them.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Smash players: Melee is good because Fox can 0-KO people
Also Smash players: Bayonetta is overpowered boo anyone who plays her.

Smash 4 players and Melee players are almost entirely exclusive groups tho.

That said I do think Bayo should be nerfed in Ultimate. Keep her combo potential but not her laddering ability.
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Bideo games was a mistake.
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Dont smash players also boo jigglypuff who also takes skill to play?

stopping linking to kotaku. They always try to make the FGC look bad
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If a games general fanbase finds a character op in a competetive game the i expect this. Though id prefer they just leave instead of boo.
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FightingGames posted...

stopping linking to kotaku. They always try to make the FGC look bad

FGC doesn't need help doing that tbh

I'm more interested in the possiblity Senran Kagura or Neptunia will be added to cross tag who the fuck cares about Smash bros? It's not a fighting game, it's balance is shit, it's fanbase shittier.
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I wonder if any of them showered before attending EVO
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tremain07 posted...

I'm more interested in the possiblity Senran Kagura or Neptunia will be added to cross tag who the fuck cares about Smash bros? It's not a fighting game, it's balance is shit, it's fanbase shittier.

I like the way it plays and the crossover potential is insane. That's why most people like Smash, tbh. The majority of Smash players aren't tournament-goers.
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Why exactly is Bayonetta considered OP?
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GATTJT posted...

Why exactly is Bayonetta considered OP?

Basically Bayonetta can combo any character in the game off-screen when others cannot, and also has a time-slowing counter.
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I can't imagine sitting through a bayo mirror
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refmon posted...

I can't imagine sitting through a bayo mirror

Not only that, but the two players were goofing off as well.

Half the crowd reportedly left the venue right before the match started.
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Unknown5uspect posted...

FightingGames posted...

stopping linking to kotaku. They always try to make the FGC look bad

FGC doesn't need help doing that tbh

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Banjo2553 posted...

GATTJT posted...

Why exactly is Bayonetta considered OP?

Basically Bayonetta can combo any character in the game off-screen when others cannot, and also has a time-slowing counter.

But aren't Samus, Sheik, and Rosalina better?

https://rankedboost.com/ssb4-tier-list/

Or are they not allowed in competition?
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Here's the stalling that happened:
https://clips.twitch.tv/WonderfulPiliableSquirrelBleedPurple

I love how the writer severely underplays this.
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Colorahdo posted...

Banjo2553 posted...

GATTJT posted...

Why exactly is Bayonetta considered OP?

Basically Bayonetta can combo any character in the game off-screen when others cannot, and also has a time-slowing counter.

But aren't Samus, Sheik, and Rosalina better?

https://rankedboost.com/ssb4-tier-list/

Or are they not allowed in competition?

Either that Tier list is suspect, or there aren't players who are good enough with those characters as theplayers who main Bayonetta.
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LMAO
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Myabe the smashbeards should learn how to use deodorant before getting upset over people playing a Bayonetta.
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oh here's an updated tier list

https://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_SSB4_tier_lists_(NTSC)

Bayonetta-1, Cloud-2, Diddy-3
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Colorahdo posted...

Banjo2553 posted...

GATTJT posted...

Why exactly is Bayonetta considered OP?

Basically Bayonetta can combo any character in the game off-screen when others cannot, and also has a time-slowing counter.

But aren't Samus, Sheik, and Rosalina better?

https://rankedboost.com/ssb4-tier-list/

Or are they not allowed in competition?

Either that Tier list is suspect, or there aren't players who are good enough with those characters as theplayers who main Bayonetta.

It's the latter. Bayo has her weaknesses that can be exploited. What makes her "OP" is that people that are good with her (and I emphasize good with her because picking her up doesnt make you auto good) can do mad combos. But so can other characters. Bayo has some problems on the ground and has a lot of lag time if she whiffs on moves and doesnt have a good shield breaker either. She also doesnt need much damage to be sent flying.

Like I said, shes not as OP as Fox in Melee or Meta Knight in Brawl. Also Cloud is right behind her. I find Cloud more annoying than Bayo if you want my .02.

At the end of the day, haters gonna hate, and it doesnt matter how many characters they nerf, someone's gonna be in that upper tier and that's the character a bunch of people will main and people are going to take exception to it. It doesnt matter who it is.

Meta Knight in Brawl was about the only character I took exception to because that really WAS a pretty unfair character. He could go to any part of the screen without repercussions and every move was a recovery move. It was just dumb. Bayo isnt on that level. Shes just better than the other characters, but she's not godlike OP, she has weaknesses to exploit.
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WaterLink posted...

It's the latter. Bayo has her weaknesses that can be exploited. What makes her "OP" is that people that are good with her (and I emphasize good with her because picking her up doesnt make you auto good) can do mad combos. But so can other characters. Bayo has some problems on the ground and has a lot of lag time if she whiffs on moves and doesnt have a good shield breaker either. She also doesnt need much damage to be sent flying.

Like I said, shes not as OP as Fox in Melee or Meta Knight in Brawl. Also Cloud is right behind her. I find Cloud more annoying than Bayo if you want my .02.

At the end of the day, haters gonna hate, and it doesnt matter how many characters they nerf, someone's gonna be in that upper tier and that's the character a bunch of people will main and people are going to take exception to it. It doesnt matter who it is.

Meta Knight in Brawl was about the only character I took exception to because that really WAS a pretty unfair character. He could go to any part of the screen without repercussions and every move was a recovery move. It was just dumb. Bayo isnt on that level. Shes just better than the other characters, but she's not godlike OP, she has weaknesses to exploit.

I main Marth and most of the Sword wielding characters on the roster generally.

So it doesn't really matter to me since it's more about me trying to improve than just swapping characters because they're high on a Tier list.
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Didnt she get hit fairly hard with the nerf bat though?
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pikachupwnage posted...

Didnt she get hit fairly hard with the nerf bat though?

And yet she's still the character that hit the Grand Finals.

=D
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