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UnfairRepresent 08/02/18 5:05:45 PM #1:	Do you agree? - Results (35 votes) Yes 45.71% (16 votes) 16 No 45.71% (16 votes) 16 I don't know. 8.57% (3 votes) 3 Or the Qu'ran, cover to cover. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3rGev6OZ3w" data-time=" He claims that reading about the horrible stories and beliefs in the books cover to cover, will make you an atheist and that most religion survives due to cherry picking and installments from church services. And that reading the Bible cover to cover is more effective than reading The God Delusion or God Is Not Great in terms of making atheists. Do you agree? Or do you think he's full of Bullshit? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:906159830] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote> Do you agree? - Results (35 votes) Yes 45.71% (16 votes) 16 No 45.71% (16 votes) 16 I don't know. 8.57% (3 votes) 3 Or the Qu'ran, cover to cover. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3rGev6OZ3w" data-time=" He claims that reading about the horrible stories and beliefs in the books cover to cover, will make you an atheist and that most religion survives due to cherry picking and installments from church services. And that reading the Bible cover to cover is more effective than reading The God Delusion or God Is Not Great in terms of making atheists. Do you agree? Or do you think he's full of Bullshit?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 08/02/18 5:08:01 PM #2:	That is stupid. At most it would make you hate Christianity. But I hate people whi act like Christianity and Islam are the only religions in the world I can read the Bible, decide it's bullshit and then go study Buddhism, Hinduism or get into neo paganism <cite>Zikten posted [p:906159962] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>That is stupid. At most it would make you hate Christianity. But I hate people whi act like Christianity and Islam are the only religions in the world I can read the Bible, decide it's bullshit and then go study Buddhism, Hinduism or get into neo paganism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 08/02/18 5:09:13 PM #3:	I would probably agree, yeah. Getting it straight from the horse's mouth will have a stronger effect on people. Granted they have to be halfway intelligent to begin with in order to read between the lines to see the motives and piece together what's bullshit. <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:906160025] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>I would probably agree, yeah. Getting it straight from the horse's mouth will have a stronger effect on people. Granted they have to be halfway intelligent to begin with in order to read between the lines to see the motives and piece together what's bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/02/18 5:09:42 PM #4:	Zikten posted... That is stupid. At most it would make you hate Christianity. But I hate people whi act like Christianity and Islam are the only religions in the world They are the 2 biggest by a landslide and make up over half the population of the world. Also Hinduism, Sikism and Buddism don't have the equivalent holy books of the Bible or Quran --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:906160058] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>That is stupid. At most it would make you hate Christianity. But I hate people whi act like Christianity and Islam are the only religions in the world </quote> They are the 2 biggest by a landslide and make up over half the population of the world. Also Hinduism, Sikism and Buddism don't have the equivalent holy books of the Bible or Quran</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 08/02/18 5:10:38 PM #5:	He is implying christians never read cover to cover which is very ignorant. Maybe there is many who haven't but there are also plenty who read it multiple times and even read tons of supplimentary materials. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:906160109] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>He is implying christians never read cover to cover which is very ignorant. Maybe there is many who haven't but there are also plenty who read it multiple times and even read tons of supplimentary materials.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/02/18 5:11:57 PM #6:	UnfairRepresent posted... most religion survives due to cherry picking and installments from church services This part isn't exactly wrong. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906160181] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> most religion survives due to cherry picking and installments from church services</quote> This part isn't exactly wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
omega cookie 08/02/18 5:12:10 PM #7:	Zikten posted... That is stupid. At most it would make you hate Christianity. But I hate people whi act like Christianity and Islam are the only religions in the world I can read the Bible, decide it's bullshit and then go study Buddhism, Hinduism or get into neo paganism Zikten running his stupid fucking mouth about religion? Time to post this again: https://www.reddit.com/r/gamefaqs/comments/5l3gse/warned_for_supposedly_insult_jews/ --- FFRK: BRKB - Eiko - Guardian Mog FFBE: 885,063,087 - Orlandeau - 931 ATK <cite>omega cookie posted [p:906160196] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>That is stupid. At most it would make you hate Christianity. But I hate people whi act like Christianity and Islam are the only religions in the world I can read the Bible, decide it's bullshit and then go study Buddhism, Hinduism or get into neo paganism</quote> Zikten running his stupid fucking mouth about religion? Time to post this again: https://www.reddit.com/r/gamefaqs/comments/5l3gse/warned_for_supposedly_insult_jews/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/02/18 5:12:16 PM #8:	darkphoenix181 posted... He is implying christians never read cover to cover which is very ignorant. I don't think he is. He's implying Christians didn't read cover to cover until after they have been indoctrinated. Few start with cover to cover, they are already in the society and have been told what to believe in friendly ways for years. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:906160202] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>He is implying christians never read cover to cover which is very ignorant.</quote> I don't think he is. He's implying Christians didn't read cover to cover until after they have been indoctrinated. Few start with cover to cover, they are already in the society and have been told what to believe in friendly ways for years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 08/02/18 5:12:23 PM #9:	Zikten posted... That is stupid. At most it would make you hate Christianity. But I hate people whi act like Christianity and Islam are the only religions in the world Christians are already an atheist -1 --- https://imgtc.com/i/FoEetUh.gif https://imgtc.com/i/oeysOEy.jpg <cite>Doe posted [p:906160214] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>That is stupid. At most it would make you hate Christianity. But I hate people whi act like Christianity and Islam are the only religions in the world</quote> Christians are already an atheist -1</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 08/02/18 5:12:26 PM #10:	We are making some pretty spectacular claims (like the world being created in a week) that can't really be accepted without some mental gymnastics (figurative days/geological eras not actual days) to fit them safely within our worldview. And even if you weren't left disbelieving some of it's plot, you likely won't finish the book seeing God in a purely positive light either unless you use more of those mental gymnastics (genocide is not bad when God sanctions it). So the book is pretty likely to trip your bullshit censors, or at the very least wind up in the 'cute myths from antiquity' category of literature. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:906160219] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>We are making some pretty spectacular claims (like the world being created in a week) that can't really be accepted without some mental gymnastics (figurative days/geological eras not actual days) to fit them safely within our worldview. And even if you weren't left disbelieving some of it's plot, you likely won't finish the book seeing God in a purely positive light either unless you use more of those mental gymnastics (genocide is not bad when God sanctions it). So the book is pretty likely to trip your bullshit censors, or at the very least wind up in the 'cute myths from antiquity' category of literature.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shotgunnova 08/02/18 5:15:14 PM #11:	Methuselah spent all his life in tears Lived without a woman for 900 years One day he decided to have some fun The poor man never lived to see 900 and 1 --- Take me down from the ridge where the summer ends And watch the city spread out just like a jet's flame <cite>Shotgunnova posted [p:906160400] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>Methuselah spent all his life in tears Lived without a woman for 900 years One day he decided to have some fun The poor man never lived to see 900 and 1</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 08/02/18 5:15:19 PM #12:	UnfairRepresent posted... darkphoenix181 posted... He is implying christians never read cover to cover which is very ignorant. I don't think he is. He's implying Christians didn't read cover to cover until after they have been indoctrinated. Few start with cover to cover, they are already in the society and have been told what to believe in friendly ways for years. Then how does he explain athiests who become christians? --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:906160410] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>He is implying christians never read cover to cover which is very ignorant.</quote> I don't think he is. He's implying Christians didn't read cover to cover until after they have been indoctrinated. Few start with cover to cover, they are already in the society and have been told what to believe in friendly ways for years.</quote> Then how does he explain athiests who become christians?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 08/02/18 5:16:40 PM #13:	UnfairRepresent posted... Zikten posted... That is stupid. At most it would make you hate Christianity. But I hate people whi act like Christianity and Islam are the only religions in the world They are the 2 biggest by a landslide and make up over half the population of the world. Also Hinduism, Sikism and Buddism don't have the equivlant holy books of the Bible or Quran Hinduism has books actually. like the Bhagivad Ghita <cite>Zikten posted [p:906160483] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>That is stupid. At most it would make you hate Christianity. But I hate people whi act like Christianity and Islam are the only religions in the world </quote> They are the 2 biggest by a landslide and make up over half the population of the world. Also Hinduism, Sikism and Buddism don't have the equivlant holy books of the Bible or Quran</quote> Hinduism has books actually. like the Bhagivad Ghita</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 08/02/18 5:17:31 PM #14:	darkphoenix181 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... darkphoenix181 posted... He is implying christians never read cover to cover which is very ignorant. I don't think he is. He's implying Christians didn't read cover to cover until after they have been indoctrinated. Few start with cover to cover, they are already in the society and have been told what to believe in friendly ways for years. Then how does he explain athiests who become christians? Usually those are people who go through some sort of traumatic experience in life and turn to religion to cope. <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:906160534] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>He is implying christians never read cover to cover which is very ignorant.</quote> I don't think he is. He's implying Christians didn't read cover to cover until after they have been indoctrinated. Few start with cover to cover, they are already in the society and have been told what to believe in friendly ways for years.</quote> Then how does he explain athiests who become christians?</quote> Usually those are people who go through some sort of traumatic experience in life and turn to religion to cope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/02/18 5:18:09 PM #15:	darkphoenix181 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... darkphoenix181 posted... He is implying christians never read cover to cover which is very ignorant. I don't think he is. He's implying Christians didn't read cover to cover until after they have been indoctrinated. Few start with cover to cover, they are already in the society and have been told what to believe in friendly ways for years. Then how does he explain athiests who become christians? Is there a history of atheists becoming Christians due to reading the Bible cover to cover? Most of the stories I hear about conversions are atheists who are depressed and have shitty lives going for religion because it accepts them and makes them happy. The old "My wife left me and my daughter died and I was a drunk but then I saw God who empowered me and now I have a job and friends." style of belief. No so much the "I'm sober, my wife fucks me every night and my Daughter is a CEO but reading the Bible cover to cover converted me." --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:906160558] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>He is implying christians never read cover to cover which is very ignorant.</quote> I don't think he is. He's implying Christians didn't read cover to cover until after they have been indoctrinated. Few start with cover to cover, they are already in the society and have been told what to believe in friendly ways for years.</quote> Then how does he explain athiests who become christians?</quote> Is there a history of atheists becoming Christians due to reading the Bible cover to cover? Most of the stories I hear about conversions are atheists who are depressed and have shitty lives going for religion because it accepts them and makes them happy. The old "My wife left me and my daughter died and I was a drunk but then I saw God who empowered me and now I have a job and friends." style of belief. No so much the "I'm sober, my wife fucks me every night and my Daughter is a CEO but reading the Bible cover to cover converted me."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 08/02/18 5:18:56 PM #16:	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_texts <cite>Zikten posted [p:906160600] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_texts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wetterdew 08/02/18 5:19:05 PM #17:	Critical thinking will make you an atheist. If you don't use critical thinking when reading the bible, it's possible to read it and ignore the contradictions. But yeah, a reasonable person who reads the bible will conclude that it's not reliable. --- Touch fuzzy get dizzy. <cite>Wetterdew posted [p:906160611] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>Critical thinking will make you an atheist. If you don't use critical thinking when reading the bible, it's possible to read it and ignore the contradictions. But yeah, a reasonable person who reads the bible will conclude that it's not reliable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/02/18 5:23:28 PM #18:	Wetterdew posted... Critical thinking will make you an atheist. If you don't use critical thinking when reading the bible, it's possible to read it and ignore the contradictions. But yeah, a reasonable person who reads the bible will conclude that it's not reliable. I don't think the "contradictions" are really that big a deal, I think it's more the defense of muder, slavery etc and the depiction of God as a egomanical lunatic. The sexism and just flat out strange stories. There's a reason modern western Christianity pretty much goes "Oh yeah, the entire Old Testament pretty much is non canon now except the parts about gays." --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:906160875] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wetterdew posted...</cite> <quote>Critical thinking will make you an atheist. If you don't use critical thinking when reading the bible, it's possible to read it and ignore the contradictions. But yeah, a reasonable person who reads the bible will conclude that it's not reliable.</quote> I don't think the "contradictions" are really that big a deal, I think it's more the defense of muder, slavery etc and the depiction of God as a egomanical lunatic. The sexism and just flat out strange stories. There's a reason modern western Christianity pretty much goes "Oh yeah, the entire Old Testament pretty much is non canon now except the parts about gays."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 08/02/18 5:25:19 PM #19:	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_texts <cite>Zikten posted [p:906160988] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_texts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 08/02/18 5:31:13 PM #20:	UnfairRepresent posted... Is there a history of atheists becoming Christians due to reading the Bible cover to cover? No more than there is a history of Christians or non-christians becoming atheist from reading the bible. As said above:UnfairRepresent posted... Few start with cover to cover, they are already in the society and have been told what to believe in friendly ways for years. You are forgetting that many atheists who read it cover to cover where also already atheist or close to being atheist. Infact, there is probably only 3 reasons to read the bible cover to cover. 1. You are christian or non-christian who wants to convince yourswlf more that christianity is right 2. You are christian or non-christian looking for ammo to deny and attack the beliefs 3. You are a non-christian who has no bias as you barely know about christianity and were handed a bible #3 actually quite often produces a believer. Missionary work in foreign lands is still booming fyi. And history teaches us the same. Btw there is more reasons to read the bible but I meant relates to the topic at hand. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:906161323] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Is there a history of atheists becoming Christians due to reading the Bible cover to cover? </quote> No more than there is a history of Christians or non-christians becoming atheist from reading the bible. As said above:<cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Few start with cover to cover, they are already in the society and have been told what to believe in friendly ways for years.</quote> You are forgetting that many atheists who read it cover to cover where also already atheist or close to being atheist. Infact, there is probably only 3 reasons to read the bible cover to cover. 1. You are christian or non-christian who wants to convince yourswlf more that christianity is right 2. You are christian or non-christian looking for ammo to deny and attack the beliefs 3. You are a non-christian who has no bias as you barely know about christianity and were handed a bible #3 actually quite often produces a believer. Missionary work in foreign lands is still booming fyi. And history teaches us the same. Btw there is more reasons to read the bible but I meant relates to the topic at hand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 08/02/18 5:31:22 PM #21:	Zikten posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_texts Zikten posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_texts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:906161331] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_texts</quote> <cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_texts</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/02/18 5:32:50 PM #22:	darkphoenix181 posted... No more than there is a history of Christians or non-christians becoming atheist from reading the bible. Citation needed darkphoenix181 posted... You are forgetting that many atheists who read it cover to cover where also already atheist or close to being atheist. Well that's a silly point. You're not born with a religious belief. IF your religion can only be taught via indoctrination then it's not a very convincing religion. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:906161414] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote> No more than there is a history of Christians or non-christians becoming atheist from reading the bible.</quote> Citation needed <cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote> You are forgetting that many atheists who read it cover to cover where also already atheist or close to being atheist. </quote> Well that's a silly point. You're not born with a religious belief. IF your religion can only be taught via indoctrination then it's not a very convincing religion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 08/02/18 5:34:23 PM #23:	hollow_shrine posted... Zikten posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_texts Zikten posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_texts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology what's your point? the books exist. you don't have to believe them. I wasn't posting them as proof of the religions. it was to prove TC wrong when he said there is no "bible" for those religions <cite>Zikten posted [p:906161504] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_texts</quote> <cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_texts</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology</quote> what's your point? the books exist. you don't have to believe them. I wasn't posting them as proof of the religions. it was to prove TC wrong when he said there is no "bible" for those religions</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 08/02/18 5:35:38 PM #24:	darkphoenix181 posted... 3. You are a non-christian who has no bias as you barely know about christianity and were handed a bible #3 actually quite often produces a believer. Missionary work in foreign lands is still booming fyi. What a statement. -Live in a third world country with little food or water or literacy -People come to you with airplanes and shit, give you food water clothes and medicine -they tell you they were sent by a dude named Jesus -"wow what a cool guy" --- https://imgtc.com/i/FoEetUh.gif https://imgtc.com/i/oeysOEy.jpg <cite>Doe posted [p:906161573] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote> 3. You are a non-christian who has no bias as you barely know about christianity and were handed a bible #3 actually quite often produces a believer. Missionary work in foreign lands is still booming fyi.</quote> What a statement. -Live in a third world country with little food or water or literacy -People come to you with airplanes and shit, give you food water clothes and medicine -they tell you they were sent by a dude named Jesus -"wow what a cool guy"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/02/18 5:35:47 PM #25:	Zikten posted... hollow_shrine posted... Zikten posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_texts Zikten posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_texts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology what's your point? the books exist. you don't have to believe them. I wasn't posting them as proof of the religions. it was to prove TC wrong when he said there is no "bible" for those religions ITP: Zikten inadvertantly reveals that he doesn't understand the English language --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:906161579] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_texts</quote> <cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_texts</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology</quote> what's your point? the books exist. you don't have to believe them. I wasn't posting them as proof of the religions. it was to prove TC wrong when he said there is no "bible" for those religions</quote> ITP: Zikten inadvertantly reveals that he doesn't understand the English language</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 08/02/18 5:36:45 PM #26:	Unfair, you are the master of twisting words to always pretend like your winning. I don't have the strength to deal with you today. <cite>Zikten posted [p:906161652] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>Unfair, you are the master of twisting words to always pretend like your winning. I don't have the strength to deal with you today.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/02/18 5:38:24 PM #27:	Zikten posted... always pretend like your winning I wonder what world sigless users live in sometimes. I wasn't even aware that we were fighting. Let alone that you were losing. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:906161753] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote> always pretend like your winning</quote> I wonder what world sigless users live in sometimes. I wasn't even aware that we were fighting. Let alone that you were losing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 08/02/18 5:38:38 PM #28:	This is a common atheist claim. That reading the bible is the surest way to become an atheist. That might be true for some of them but not true for everyone. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:906161769] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>This is a common atheist claim. That reading the bible is the surest way to become an atheist. That might be true for some of them but not true for everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 08/02/18 5:39:41 PM #30:	UnfairRepresent posted... Zikten posted... always pretend like your winning I wonder what world sigless users live in sometimes. I wasn't even aware that we were fighting. Let alone that you were losing. did you even read the links? you said UnfairRepresent posted... Also Hinduism, Sikism and Buddism don't have the equivalent holy books of the Bible or Quran the Bhagivad Gita is the Hindu equvilatent of the bible or quran <cite>Zikten posted [p:906161838] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote> always pretend like your winning</quote> I wonder what world sigless users live in sometimes. I wasn't even aware that we were fighting. Let alone that you were losing.</quote> did you even read the links? you said <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Also Hinduism, Sikism and Buddism don't have the equivalent holy books of the Bible or Quran</quote> the Bhagivad Gita is the Hindu equvilatent of the bible or quran</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 08/02/18 5:40:49 PM #31:	UnfairRepresent posted... darkphoenix181 posted... No more than there is a history of Christians or non-christians becoming atheist from reading the bible. Citation needed darkphoenix181 posted... You are forgetting that many atheists who read it cover to cover where also already atheist or close to being atheist. Well that's a silly point. You're not born with a religious belief. IF your religion can only be taught via indoctrination then it's not a very convincing religion. No citation needed since I was countering what you said that had no citation. You claimed christians don't read cover to cover without being indoctrinated first. Can you cite that? And actually children are predisposed to religious belief more than science. Science literally takes years of rigorous education for a child to have that put into their brain. Once a child starts talking, it believes in monsters under the bed and supernatural forces. To remove the supernatural from a child, you literally have to indoctrinate that out of them. And that is ok. I am not saying that is bad. I am saying your statement is wrong as anyone can see. Children believe in imaginary friends and all sorts of things. Now, you will say that this is not the same as organized religion and you would be correct. But this is essentially superstition which is the core of tribal and local native religions. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:906161897] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote> No more than there is a history of Christians or non-christians becoming atheist from reading the bible.</quote> Citation needed <cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote> You are forgetting that many atheists who read it cover to cover where also already atheist or close to being atheist. </quote> Well that's a silly point. You're not born with a religious belief. IF your religion can only be taught via indoctrination then it's not a very convincing religion.</quote> No citation needed since I was countering what you said that had no citation. You claimed christians don't read cover to cover without being indoctrinated first. Can you cite that? And actually children are predisposed to religious belief more than science. Science literally takes years of rigorous education for a child to have that put into their brain. Once a child starts talking, it believes in monsters under the bed and supernatural forces. To remove the supernatural from a child, you literally have to indoctrinate that out of them. And that is ok. I am not saying that is bad. I am saying your statement is wrong as anyone can see. Children believe in imaginary friends and all sorts of things. Now, you will say that this is not the same as organized religion and you would be correct. But this is essentially superstition which is the core of tribal and local native religions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 08/02/18 5:40:53 PM #32:	Unfair is like Freiza at the end of the Frieza saga, still thinking he is superior even after Goku (me) has thrashed him utterly <cite>Zikten posted [p:906161901] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>Unfair is like Freiza at the end of the Frieza saga, still thinking he is superior even after Goku (me) has thrashed him utterly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/02/18 5:43:04 PM #33:	creativerealms posted... This is a common atheist claim. That reading the bible is the surest way to become an atheist. That might be true for some of them but not true for everyone. There's pretty good reasons that for a very long time the Catholic Church made sure people couldn't read the bible and you just had to take the word of the priests that it said what they claimed it said. They would also hold masses in fucking latin so you couldn't even understand the sermon in most cases. They didn't want people reading the bible. People reading the bible caused Martin Luther. You might not go full atheist, but you will probably come to the conclusion that some of what you've been taught is bullshit. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:906162031] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>This is a common atheist claim. That reading the bible is the surest way to become an atheist. That might be true for some of them but not true for everyone.</quote> There's pretty good reasons that for a very long time the Catholic Church made sure people couldn't read the bible and you just had to take the word of the priests that it said what they claimed it said. They would also hold masses in fucking latin so you couldn't even understand the sermon in most cases. They didn't want people reading the bible. People reading the bible caused Martin Luther. You might not go full atheist, but you will probably come to the conclusion that some of what you've been taught is bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 08/02/18 5:43:09 PM #34:	Zikten posted... hollow_shrine posted... Zikten posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_texts Zikten posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_texts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology what's your point? the books exist. you don't have to believe them. I wasn't posting them as proof of the religions. it was to prove TC wrong when he said there is no "bible" for those religions I see, my mistake. I thought you were posting them to imply the thread treats those belief system differently, or privileges over Christianity. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:906162035] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_texts</quote> <cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_texts</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology</quote> what's your point? the books exist. you don't have to believe them. I wasn't posting them as proof of the religions. it was to prove TC wrong when he said there is no "bible" for those religions</quote> I see, my mistake. I thought you were posting them to imply the thread treats those belief system differently, or privileges over Christianity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/02/18 5:43:27 PM #35:	I don't think you know what equivalent means. Every religion has scripture. Atheism has scripture, I even mentioned 2 books in the OP. But Christianity, Judaism and Islam are based on the Torah/Bible and Qu'ran respectively. Entirely. The Eastern Buddism/Hinduism/Sikism religions are not. So much so that people are hesistant to even connect their scripture to the religion as it varies so much. The Bible and Qu'ran are literally considered the word of God, the basis of the religion and what you are supposed to base your life on. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:906162048] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>I don't think you know what equivalent means. Every religion has scripture. Atheism has scripture, I even mentioned 2 books in the OP. But Christianity, Judaism and Islam are based on the Torah/Bible and Qu'ran respectively. Entirely. The Eastern Buddism/Hinduism/Sikism religions are not. So much so that people are hesistant to even connect their scripture to the religion as it varies so much. The Bible and Qu'ran are literally considered the word of God, the basis of the religion and what you are supposed to base your life on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/02/18 5:43:58 PM #36:	Zikten posted... Unfair is like Freiza at the end of the Frieza saga, still thinking he is superior even after Goku (me) has thrashed him utterly Just so you know, Goku took his meds. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:906162086] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>Unfair is like Freiza at the end of the Frieza saga, still thinking he is superior even after Goku (me) has thrashed him utterly</quote> Just so you know, Goku took his meds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 08/02/18 5:44:17 PM #37:	hindus base their lives on the texts. you don't seem to know much about hinduism <cite>Zikten posted [p:906162104] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>hindus base their lives on the texts. you don't seem to know much about hinduism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 08/02/18 5:44:48 PM #38:	Tyranthraxus posted... creativerealms posted... This is a common atheist claim. That reading the bible is the surest way to become an atheist. That might be true for some of them but not true for everyone. There's pretty good reasons that for a very long time the Catholic Church made sure people couldn't read the bible and you just had to take the word of the priests that it said what they claimed it said. They would also hold masses in fucking latin so you couldn't even understand the sermon in most cases. They didn't want people reading the bible. People reading the bible caused Martin Luther. You might not go full atheist, but you will probably come to the conclusion that some of what you've been taught is bullshit. You understand the bible condemns catholic practices right? Jesus literally says call no man father for there is only one father in heaven. Guess what Catholics call male clergy members? --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:906162143] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>This is a common atheist claim. That reading the bible is the surest way to become an atheist. That might be true for some of them but not true for everyone.</quote> There's pretty good reasons that for a very long time the Catholic Church made sure people couldn't read the bible and you just had to take the word of the priests that it said what they claimed it said. They would also hold masses in fucking latin so you couldn't even understand the sermon in most cases. They didn't want people reading the bible. People reading the bible caused Martin Luther. You might not go full atheist, but you will probably come to the conclusion that some of what you've been taught is bullshit.</quote> You understand the bible condemns catholic practices right? Jesus literally says call no man father for there is only one father in heaven. Guess what Catholics call male clergy members?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 08/02/18 5:45:02 PM #39:	Tyranthraxus posted... Just so you know, Goku took his meds. actually he didn't. he didn't take the heart pills cause nothing went wrong and he didn't think he needed them. and then he had a heart attack during the fight with the androids. <cite>Zikten posted [p:906162155] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>Just so you know, Goku took his meds.</quote> actually he didn't. he didn't take the heart pills cause nothing went wrong and he didn't think he needed them. and then he had a heart attack during the fight with the androids.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/02/18 5:45:31 PM #40:	darkphoenix181 posted... No citation needed Of course. darkphoenix181 posted... To remove the supernatural from a child, you literally have to indoctrinate that out of them. And that is ok. I am not saying that is bad. I don't get WTF this has to do with anything.... It's also not true. You don't "indoctrinate" children to not believe in monsters. To imply so is an insult to people who really are indoctrinated into beliefs. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:906162189] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote> No citation needed </quote> Of course. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote> To remove the supernatural from a child, you literally have to indoctrinate that out of them. And that is ok. I am not saying that is bad. </quote> I don't get WTF this has to do with anything.... It's also not true. You don't "indoctrinate" children to not believe in monsters. To imply so is an insult to people who really are indoctrinated into beliefs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 08/02/18 5:45:40 PM #41:	Didn't happen to me. --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:906162198] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>Didn't happen to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frogman_295 08/02/18 5:45:59 PM #42:	He's kinda right. --- Pastor of Muppets <cite>frogman_295 posted [p:906162217] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>He's kinda right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/02/18 5:46:36 PM #43:	UnfairRepresent posted... The Bible and Qu'ran are literally considered the word of God, the basis of the religion and what you are supposed to base your life on. >Some jewish king dude guy named David says stuff. >This is word of god >LITERAL FUCKING VISHNU AM BECOME DEATH DESTROYER OF WORLDS >This is somehow not word of god --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:906162253] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>The Bible and Qu'ran are literally considered the word of God, the basis of the religion and what you are supposed to base your life on.</quote> >Some jewish king dude guy named David says stuff. >This is word of god >LITERAL FUCKING VISHNU AM BECOME DEATH DESTROYER OF WORLDS >This is somehow not word of god</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/02/18 5:48:22 PM #44:	Tyranthraxus posted... >LITERAL FUCKING VISHNU AM BECOME DEATH DESTROYER OF WORLDS >This is somehow not word of god I can't tell if you're trying to make a joke and failing or just legitimately aren;t following the conversation --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:906162349] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote> >LITERAL FUCKING VISHNU AM BECOME DEATH DESTROYER OF WORLDS >This is somehow not word of god</quote> I can't tell if you're trying to make a joke and failing or just legitimately aren;t following the conversation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/02/18 5:50:34 PM #45:	UnfairRepresent posted... Tyranthraxus posted... >LITERAL FUCKING VISHNU AM BECOME DEATH DESTROYER OF WORLDS >This is somehow not word of god I can't tell if you're trying to make a joke and failing or just legitimately aren;t following the conversation The Bhagavad Ghita is word of God(s) dude. It contains literally Gods going around saying and doing shit. Every story imparts a moral that serves as the basis for the religion. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:906162469] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote> >LITERAL FUCKING VISHNU AM BECOME DEATH DESTROYER OF WORLDS >This is somehow not word of god</quote> I can't tell if you're trying to make a joke and failing or just legitimately aren;t following the conversation</quote> The Bhagavad Ghita is word of God(s) dude. It contains literally Gods going around saying and doing shit. Every story imparts a moral that serves as the basis for the religion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 08/02/18 5:52:54 PM #46:	UnfairRepresent posted... I don't get WTF this has to do with anything.... It's also not true. You don't "indoctrinate" children to not believe in monsters. To imply so is an insult to people who really are indoctrinated into beliefs. You realize there are regions of the world that legit believe monsters are real and live in the woods because they were never taught...yes taught to test it and refute it right? Many of these superstitions aren't based on their religion either but more like one guy said he saw something and it begins to spread around and be believed. Some eventually make it into their myths These are adults, but the behavior is seen similarily in children. In western education however, we are actually taught...yes taught to attack such superstitions. But I get why you find it hard to call that indoctrination. Doing so admits you also are the product of indoctrination which is hard for some people to admit. Try this. Where did you learn the scientific method? Where did you learn that you shouldn't believe everything another person tells you? --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:906162590] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get WTF this has to do with anything.... It's also not true. You don't "indoctrinate" children to not believe in monsters. To imply so is an insult to people who really are indoctrinated into beliefs.</quote> You realize there are regions of the world that legit believe monsters are real and live in the woods because they were never taught...yes taught to test it and refute it right? Many of these superstitions aren't based on their religion either but more like one guy said he saw something and it begins to spread around and be believed. Some eventually make it into their myths These are adults, but the behavior is seen similarily in children. In western education however, we are actually taught...yes taught to attack such superstitions. But I get why you find it hard to call that indoctrination. Doing so admits you also are the product of indoctrination which is hard for some people to admit. Try this. Where did you learn the scientific method? Where did you learn that you shouldn't believe everything another person tells you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 08/02/18 5:58:17 PM #47:	It's how I realized I was an atheist. So it's been true for me at least --- Hey what's going on in this thread https://imgur.com/6fpKRW8 https://imgur.com/RNZi0gk <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:906162871] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>It's how I realized I was an atheist. So it's been true for me at least</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 08/02/18 6:00:13 PM #48:	Tyranthraxus posted... The Bhagavad Ghita is word of God(s) dude. I can tell you've never read it or spoke to anyone who has read it. It's a fantasy story expressing philosophical ideas and ways to live/interprit life. Millions of Hindus haven't even read it/weren't raised with it and it is part of other Hindu scripture. Nothing about the Mahabharata legends told is relevant to whether you believe it is the past or not. It's not comparable to the Bible or Qu'ran or monothestic religions. It's not illegal to burn or translate it, it's not the basis or the be-all end all of the religion. It's just scripture. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:906162988] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote> The Bhagavad Ghita is word of God(s) dude.</quote> I can tell you've never read it or spoke to anyone who has read it. It's a fantasy story expressing philosophical ideas and ways to live/interprit life. Millions of Hindus haven't even read it/weren't raised with it and it is part of other Hindu scripture. Nothing about the Mahabharata legends told is relevant to whether you believe it is the past or not. It's not comparable to the Bible or Qu'ran or monothestic religions. It's not illegal to burn or translate it, it's not the basis or the be-all end all of the religion. It's just scripture.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 08/02/18 6:00:41 PM #49:	In any case, telling more people to read the bible cover to cover is fine with me. I guess atheists should thank those guys in front of colleges handing out bibles since they are making more atheists? --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:906163013] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>In any case, telling more people to read the bible cover to cover is fine with me. I guess atheists should thank those guys in front of colleges handing out bibles since they are making more atheists?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 08/02/18 6:01:32 PM #50:	reading the bible made me a theist --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:906163054] in Atheist ma... [t:76865104]...</cite> <quote>reading the bible made me a theist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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