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Cocytus
08/02/18 9:12:32 AM
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Can he sue?
It just seems unfair that if a girl has a baby that the guy doesn't want then he has to pay child support, etc.
But if the guy wants the baby and the girl doesn't, he can't do shit about it.
Double standard?
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MrK3V
08/02/18 9:13:06 AM
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Were_Wyrm
08/02/18 9:13:08 AM
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Sucks to be him
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PowerMang
08/02/18 9:13:23 AM
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MrK3V posted...
Her body her choice!!

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BlueJester007
08/02/18 9:13:56 AM
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Hire a lawyer
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LordRazziel
08/02/18 9:14:43 AM
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Cocytus posted...
Double standard?


Yup. Get over it.
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Cocytus
08/02/18 9:15:07 AM
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BlueJester007 posted...
Hire a lawyer

But he'd lose, wouldn't he?
And shit, time's a factor in trying to settle this.
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Cocytus
08/02/18 9:17:06 AM
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LordRazziel posted...
Cocytus posted...
Double standard?


Yup. Get over it.

I think it's worth mentioning. It's way less than fair. People call guys dead beat dads and shit. But a guy can't stop the murder of his unborn child, so to speak...
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
08/02/18 9:18:19 AM
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Cocytus posted...
LordRazziel posted...
Cocytus posted...
Double standard?


Yup. Get over it.

I think it's worth mentioning. It's way less than fair. People call guys dead beat dads and shit. But a guy can't stop the murder of his unborn child, so to speak...


Which is why it's a great idea to get to know people you fuck and possibly impregnate.
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LightningAce11
08/02/18 9:18:59 AM
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Unfortunately for him, it's her choice alone to make.
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Zikten
08/02/18 9:19:38 AM
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MrK3V posted...
Her body her choice!!

what if he's the last of his kind. imagine if Chi Chi got an abortion
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Key
08/02/18 9:22:10 AM
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if anything I have more of a problem with the guy not belong able to opt out of child support. If he wants a abortion and she doesnt then that's fine her body her choice whatever but he should be able to opt out of child support
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LordRazziel
08/02/18 9:22:44 AM
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Zikten posted...
MrK3V posted...
Her body her choice!!

what if he's the last of his kind. imagine if Chi Chi got an abortion

I swear to fuck, you better be joking, -- or I will fly to Alaska, find you, and kick your ass.
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iClockwork
08/02/18 9:26:48 AM
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LightningAce11 posted...
Unfortunately for him, it's her choice alone to make.

Also unfortunatly it's her choice to keep it, dump your ass, then legally bind you to pay her exorbitant sums of money.

Mens Rights :)
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eston
08/02/18 9:31:16 AM
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Bodily autonomy takes precedence over basically everything. What you're asking here is if a man can sue a woman for having a medical procedure done to herself
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GSAskateboards
08/02/18 9:34:50 AM
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eston posted...
Bodily autonomy takes precedence over basically everything. What you're asking here is if a man can sue a woman for having a medical procedure done to herself

That's a bit much I agree, but I think it highlights that a man should have an "opt out" available, e.g something like you can legally get out of financial responsibility in the first 2-3 months of pregnancy.
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NinjaBreakfast
08/02/18 9:36:39 AM
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People never have a solution for this supposed issue

Do you think the male in the relationship should be able to unilaterally force her to give birth
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Abyssea
08/02/18 9:37:04 AM
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GSAskateboards posted...
eston posted...
Bodily autonomy takes precedence over basically everything. What you're asking here is if a man can sue a woman for having a medical procedure done to herself

That's a bit much I agree, but I think it highlights that a man should have an "opt out" available, e.g something like you can legally get out of financial responsibility in the first 2-3 months of pregnancy.


he helped make the baby, though. he's still got partial ownership of it.
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KillerKhan420
08/02/18 9:37:11 AM
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Yeah exactly, men need more rights when it comes to this. It's a huge decision that effects everyone in life.
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Cocytus
08/02/18 9:37:35 AM
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eston posted...
Bodily autonomy takes precedence over basically everything. What you're asking here is if a man can sue a woman for having a medical procedure done to herself

I don't know if the word sue is what I mean, but I'm asking where's a man's right to keep his child.
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NinjaBreakfast
08/02/18 9:38:03 AM
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Key posted...
If he wants a abortion and she doesnt then that's fine her body her choice whatever but he should be able to opt out of child support

yes this is a totally workable solution /s
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Key
08/02/18 9:39:27 AM
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@NinjaBreakfast posted...
Key posted...
If he wants a abortion and she doesnt then that's fine her body her choice whatever but he should be able to opt out of child support

yes this is a totally workable solution /s

what makes it not workable?
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PoopPotato
08/02/18 9:42:15 AM
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Have you seen what it takes for a married man to get a vasectomy?

His wife's signature.
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Cocytus
08/02/18 9:44:06 AM
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NinjaBreakfast posted...
People never have a solution for this supposed issue

Do you think the male in the relationship should be able to unilaterally force her to give birth

That's a good question. I don't know. That's kind of why I'm asking. It's not fair that if she wants the baby and he doesn't then he has an obligation and is burdened by law and society, but when the situation is turned around and she doesn't want the baby but he does then he has ZERO recourse.
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Zikten
08/02/18 9:44:30 AM
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I didn't mark you but calm the fuck down

@LordRazziel

it's very rare for someone to actually outright threaten me. that's going too far. I was half joking half being serious with my post. get over it. it's kinda fucked up that you think you need to kill me over an opinion about killing. you probably wouldn't be able to find me, but if you did I would call the cops.
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NinjaBreakfast
08/02/18 9:48:28 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Key posted...
NinjaBreakfast posted...
Key posted...
If he wants a abortion and she doesnt then that's fine her body her choice whatever but he should be able to opt out of child support

yes this is a totally workable solution /s

what makes it not workable?


Having or not having children will never be an evenly-matched scenario. Because the pregnancy only affects the woman's body, that takes precedence over everything else.

You would run into a laundry list of issues if men could just 'opt out' of a child when men are not the ones to go through pregnancy. Unfortunately, I don't really see another way around men just having to deal with the consequences of a sexual partner who got pregnant with them.

Yeah people just don't understand or don't want to understand that this isn't something where the impact or effort required by both parties is ultimately equal.

Also, can you just say 'get an abortion' immediately and be able to extract yourself from child support obligations? What exactly is the enforcement of this going to look like
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Dragonblade01
08/02/18 9:53:05 AM
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A guy cannot have legal say over an abortion. It simply is not possible if the justification for abortion is to remain consistent.

However, I think that we could set up a largely reasonable system where one's finances are not automatically beholden to the bodily autonomy of another.
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LordRazziel
08/02/18 9:53:06 AM
#33:


Zikten posted...
I didn't mark you but calm the fuck down

@LordRazziel

it's very rare for someone to actually outright threaten me. that's going too far. I was half joking half being serious with my post. get over it. it's kinda fucked up that you think you need to kill me over an opinion about killing. you probably wouldn't be able to find me, but if you did I would call the cops.

You live in a fantasy world.
I guess I will only half jokingly, half seriously kick your ass.
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Zikten
08/02/18 9:55:24 AM
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????

dude. just stop. wtf is your problem? screw this. I am going to mark you after all. and then ignoring you. fuck off man. you have some serious fucking god damn problems
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NinjaBreakfast
08/02/18 9:57:33 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...

However, I think that we could set up a largely reasonable system where one's finances are not automatically beholden to the bodily autonomy of another.


How would this system work?

universal living income paid to the parents in cases where recipients are under 18

Full communism baby
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LightningAce11
08/02/18 9:57:41 AM
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Man should also be able to opt out and not have to pay for anything.
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LordRazziel
08/02/18 9:57:42 AM
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Zikten posted...
????

dude. just stop. wtf is your problem? screw this. I am going to mark you after all. and then ignoring you. fuck off man. you have some serious fucking god damn problems

Lol
I'm obviously joking

Mark it, though. It's technically against the ToS.
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Cocytus
08/02/18 9:58:54 AM
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Dragonblade01 posted...
A guy cannot have legal say over an abortion.

Do you think a man has a moral consequence if he tells or compels the woman to get an abortion? Her body, her rights, so is a man not responsible whether she does or doesn't get an abortion? If he can't do anything about what she does with her body, does the man bear any moral obligation?
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Schwarber
08/02/18 9:58:55 AM
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Zikten
08/02/18 9:59:12 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Zikten posted...
????

dude. just stop. wtf is your problem? screw this. I am going to mark you after all. and then ignoring you. fuck off man. you have some serious fucking god damn problems


Can you knock off the melodrama?

are you fucking serious right now? he threatened me and I am the one who's melodramatic?
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NinjaBreakfast
08/02/18 10:02:13 AM
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I'm not the one suggesting an opt out system, just giving people an alternative
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LordRazziel
08/02/18 10:02:18 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Zikten posted...
????

dude. just stop. wtf is your problem? screw this. I am going to mark you after all. and then ignoring you. fuck off man. you have some serious fucking god damn problems


Can you knock off the melodrama?

Really don't know why he would think I'm cereal.
I have stuck up for him more than once, when people have wished him a life of misery.
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Cocytus
08/02/18 10:02:39 AM
#47:


Schwarber posted...
Its not murder

It's not murder it's a medical procedure, right?
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Zikten
08/02/18 10:02:42 AM
#48:


Asherlee10 posted...
Zikten posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Zikten posted...
????

dude. just stop. wtf is your problem? screw this. I am going to mark you after all. and then ignoring you. fuck off man. you have some serious fucking god damn problems


Can you knock off the melodrama?

are you fucking serious right now? he threatened me and I am the one who's melodramatic?


>gets called out for melodrama
>responds with melodrama


I honestly have no idea wtf you are talking about. your refusing to answer the original question and just keep sayign "lol melodrama" piss off. I never got threatened in my entire lfie until now. and it upset me. and I had a right to be mad. both you and the guy that did should know better. your going on ignore too. I never had a problem with you before but your being an ass
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NinjaBreakfast
08/02/18 10:02:55 AM
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Zikten posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Zikten posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Zikten posted...
????

dude. just stop. wtf is your problem? screw this. I am going to mark you after all. and then ignoring you. fuck off man. you have some serious fucking god damn problems


Can you knock off the melodrama?

are you fucking serious right now? he threatened me and I am the one who's melodramatic?


>gets called out for melodrama
>responds with melodrama


I honestly have no idea wtf you are talking about. your refusing to answer the original question and just keep sayign "lol melodrama" piss off. I never got threatened in my entire lfie until now. and it upset me. and I had a right to be mad. both you and the guy that did should know better. your going on ignore too. I never had a problem with you before but your being an ass

hahaha
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Cocytus
08/02/18 10:04:19 AM
#50:


LordRazziel posted...
I have stuck up for him more than once, when people have wished him a life of misery.

Now THAT'S melodrama lol
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