Current Events > Sure capitalism lead us to prosperity and innovation but now its time for change

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Makes sense right?
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Can't drive in a straight line forever.
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So we dont want more prosperity and innovation? I dunno
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Capitalism is fine, what's wrong is not putting any restrictions on it and letting it go wild
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Can't drive in a straight line forever.

Even if it going straight to the finish line
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Being prosperous and having hot food is getting boring. Time for something new. I want to know how it feels to have not eaten in a day and wait in a line to be handed a small amount of bread.
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newtonwuzvirgin posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Can't drive in a straight line forever.

Even if it going straight to the finish line

the finish line for the rich, and the despair of the many
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Being prosperous and having hot food is getting boring. Time for something new. I want to know how it feels to have not eaten in a day and wait in a line to be handed a small amount of bread.

do you think countries that attempted socialism might have fared better if they weren't dirt poor to begin with?

do you think they might have fared better if the US didn't put so much money into destroying them?
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Eventually a more altruistic society could develop, but it's going to take hundreds of years to get there, and we have to avoid killing ourselves first.

averagejoel posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Being prosperous and having hot food is getting boring. Time for something new. I want to know how it feels to have not eaten in a day and wait in a line to be handed a small amount of bread.

do you think countries that attempted socialism might have fared better if they weren't dirt poor to begin with?

do you think they might have fared better if the US didn't put so much money into destroying them?

they didnt begin dirt poor and the US didn't need to do anything in order for socialist economies to collapse

Capitalism is for when you want to grow.
Socialism is for when you think you've grown enough and want to maintain.

Socialism is better for coasting because it keeps more people afloat, but it slaughters innovation. It's the "good enough" of governments, and should only be pursued once we've collectively decided that we as a people don't want to meaningfully advance any further in our lifetime.
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Well, firstly, this whole 'socialism/communism vs capitalism' thing is a smoke show for lazy idiots who don't want to actually learn anything. They are not mutually exclusive and things have been adopted by either side to make what we call it now look nothing like what those words were founded on.

Second, what we have now is barely capitalism. It's plutocracy. A very small number of brands own the majority of the market and there is very little competition. The dream is no longer to start from nothing and forge a successful business, but to innovate enough to be bought out by a major brand and have everything you built smashed and dismantled and buried in the desert to gut any competition.

Third, the assertion that it's only brought about prosperity and innovation is ridiculously bias and uninformed. It's also the reason we have what is basically modern slavery and the reason new technologies that could save lives or protect the planet have such a hard time actually entering the market.

So yeah, if you want to talk about the merits of capitalist leaning authority, go right ahead, but this whole, 'it's so great and the only thing that works and is completely mutually exclusive with all other policies' thing is ridiculous.

Communism is the future. Machinery will replace our jobs, businesses will collapse, and the government, now led by efficient A.I (inorganic humans) will be forced to step in and seize the means of production.

We won't have to work, but we will still have three satisfying meals a day, and a lifetime of free-time where we pursue our own interests. We can master the arts and sciences, and ascend to godhood.
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PiOverlord posted...

Communism

PiOverlord posted...

we will still have three satisfying meals a day

do people unironically believe this
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AlephZero posted...

PiOverlord posted...

Communism

PiOverlord posted...

we will still have three satisfying meals a day

do people unironically believe this

just the trolls and the deluded

PiOverlord posted...

Communism is the future. Machinery will replace our jobs, businesses will collapse, and the government, now led by efficient A.I (inorganic humans) will be forced to step in and seize the means of production.

We won't have to work, but we will still have three satisfying meals a day, and a lifetime of free-time where we pursue our own interests. We can master the arts and sciences, and ascend to godhood.

That is fine when we have robot slaves. But I don't see any robot slaves yet...do you?
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tremain07 posted...

Capitalism is fine, what's wrong is not putting any restrictions on it and letting it go wild

Sure, that worked so well for Mexico.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

tremain07 posted...

Capitalism is fine, what's wrong is not putting any restrictions on it and letting it go wild

Sure, that worked so well for Mexico.

We aren't mexico, what hell is that suppose to mean?
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tremain07 posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

tremain07 posted...

Capitalism is fine, what's wrong is not putting any restrictions on it and letting it go wild

Sure, that worked so well for Mexico.

We aren't mexico, what hell is that suppose to mean?

He's trying to find some way to peddle Marxism, is all.

tremain07 posted...

Webmaster4531 posted...

tremain07 posted...

Capitalism is fine, what's wrong is not putting any restrictions on it and letting it go wild

Sure, that worked so well for Mexico.

We aren't mexico, what hell is that suppose to mean?

Mexico is an extremely free market.
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I'm not convinced that we have things all figured any more than the feudalists had things all figured out.
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Antifar posted...

I'm not convinced that we have things all figured any more than the feudalists had things all figured out.

lmao jesus christ

go read the book Enlightenment Now instead of those trash Twitter hot takes

PiOverlord posted...

Machinery will replace our jobs, businesses will collapse

People who believe this scenario severely misunderstand how the labor force works. Let's say you create a machine to replace nearly every job; you still need people to collect the resources, design the machines, sell the machines to consumers, research new innovations, transport raw materials, manufacture the machines, people to feed, clothe and entertain all those people. Sure, you could say, 'well a new machine will do that' but then you have the same scenario playing out once again.

Basically, people said the same thing about the car and the computer. In both cases, it only killed some industries and created ten new ones for every one it killed.

Dash_Harber posted...

PiOverlord posted...

Machinery will replace our jobs, businesses will collapse

People who believe this scenario severely misunderstand how the labor force works. Let's say you create a machine to replace nearly every job; you still need people to collect the resources, design the machines, sell the machines to consumers, research new innovations, transport raw materials, manufacture the machines, people to feed, clothe and entertain all those people. Sure, you could say, 'well a new machine will do that' but then you have the same scenario playing out once again.

Basically, people said the same thing about the car and the computer. In both cases, it only killed some industries and created ten new ones for every one it killed.

You won't need one person to replace one machine. Even then, why do you need humans in this scenario, you build robots to repair the robots, build the other robots, etc. If one repair robot is broken, then simply another repair robot repairs that robot.

When it comes to humans getting ill for instance, we don't need one human doctor to help out every human, and when a doctor gets sick, simply another doctor takes care of them.

There is nothing special about organic life, we just are biased towards it since we are organic. In reality, inorganic life is the definitive future, they will be nearly perfected versions of us, more efficient than we could ever dream to be.

Antifar posted...

I'm not convinced that we have things all figured any more than the feudalists had things all figured out.

I'm gonna ralph, but I agree with you Antifar.

It is arrogant to believe Capitalism will always be the future when there was a time that other systems worked well during their age, bringing prosperity and innovation like the world had never seen. Eventually, they were no longer viable, their usefulness was used up. They became obsolete, Capitalism was able to replace it. Now, Capitalism is starting to stifle innovation and the general welfare of its people, and it's time to look for its replacement.

People like to point out countries like Venezuela as examples of why socialism is bad, but that is just one case, and there are many reasons, like poorly implemented procedures, and a rushed dive into it, that caused it's downfall. If we plan ahead of time, we can do better.
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PiOverlord posted...

People like to point out countries like Venezuela as examples of why socialism is bad, but that is just one case, and there are many reasons, like poorly implemented procedures, and a rushed dive into it, that caused it's downfall. If we plan ahead of time, we can do better.

It's failed every time it's been implemented, but THIS TIME....
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Fuparulez posted...

PiOverlord posted...

People like to point out countries like Venezuela as examples of why socialism is bad, but that is just one case, and there are many reasons, like poorly implemented procedures, and a rushed dive into it, that caused it's downfall. If we plan ahead of time, we can do better.

It's failed every time it's been implemented, but THIS TIME....

Except countries that are far beyond the U.S in the standards that matter have implemented socialist policies that benefit the people, not the fat cows that run the businesses.

Sure, we have the largest economy, big whoop when the only ones that get to enjoy it are the ones on top while we all start to starve more and more each day.

When China becomes the #1 economy in the world, are you really going to point at them as how we should run a country?!?

I guess you can argue our GDP per capita is higher than most countries, but even then, at what cost? Other countries have lower pay for the people, but with much much greater benefits to its people. They are happier because they are taken care of, not because they have more money.
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Dash_Harber posted...

PiOverlord posted...

Machinery will replace our jobs, businesses will collapse

People who believe this scenario severely misunderstand how the labor force works. Let's say you create a machine to replace nearly every job; you still need people to collect the resources, design the machines, sell the machines to consumers, research new innovations, transport raw materials, manufacture the machines, people to feed, clothe and entertain all those people. Sure, you could say, 'well a new machine will do that' but then you have the same scenario playing out once again.

Basically, people said the same thing about the car and the computer. In both cases, it only killed some industries and created ten new ones for every one it killed.

The idea is that a.i. is advanced enough to mine materials and build more robots and repair old ones.

The only thing people will be technically needed for is to innovate. Then some argue the a.i. could do this also.
Anyways, if you have the economy run autonomously, you might not need to innovate the robots anyways.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

PiOverlord posted...

Machinery will replace our jobs, businesses will collapse

People who believe this scenario severely misunderstand how the labor force works. Let's say you create a machine to replace nearly every job; you still need people to collect the resources, design the machines, sell the machines to consumers, research new innovations, transport raw materials, manufacture the machines, people to feed, clothe and entertain all those people. Sure, you could say, 'well a new machine will do that' but then you have the same scenario playing out once again.

Basically, people said the same thing about the car and the computer. In both cases, it only killed some industries and created ten new ones for every one it killed.

The idea is that a.i. is advanced enough to mine materials and build more robots and repair old ones.

The only thing people will be technically needed for is to innovate. Then some argue the a.i. could do this also.
Anyways, if you have the economy run autonomously, you might not need to innovate the robots anyways.

inb4 hundreds of years until we achieve that.

But thank you, this is the idea. There is a belief that we are special because we are organic tissue. We try so hard to keep ourselves above that we are unwilling to believe A.I can actually be as smart as us. In a way, we are programmed, our brain's basic functions are for us to survive. The same process can be applied to A.I, they will just be the next evolution of humanity.
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PiOverlord posted...

Communism is the future. Machinery will replace our jobs, businesses will collapse, and the government, now led by efficient A.I (inorganic humans) will be forced to step in and seize the means of production.

We won't have to work, but we will still have three satisfying meals a day, and a lifetime of free-time where we pursue our own interests. We can master the arts and sciences, and ascend to godhood.

when did this become a part of your gimmick
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Delirious_Beard posted...

PiOverlord posted...

Communism is the future. Machinery will replace our jobs, businesses will collapse, and the government, now led by efficient A.I (inorganic humans) will be forced to step in and seize the means of production.

We won't have to work, but we will still have three satisfying meals a day, and a lifetime of free-time where we pursue our own interests. We can master the arts and sciences, and ascend to godhood.

when did this become a part of your gimmick

Beliefs aren't a gimmick.
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You guys should move to Venezuela if youre tired of having so much money and freedom
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Nah, the US's version of capitalism >>>
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Your mistake is assuming capitalism is what gave us the prosperity and innovation. No, the social policies following the second world war (which itself was a massive government program) which created a healthy middle class is what did it.
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nemu posted...

Eventually a more altruistic society could develop, but it's going to take hundreds of years to get there, and we have to avoid killing ourselves first.

no one claimed that full communism would happen overnight. the transition between capitalism and communism will be an entire historical era in and of itself.
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