Current Events > Neo-nazi discusses why Trump presidency empowered them.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-white-supremacists-split-a-quiet-rust-belt-town/2018/07/28/15a7e414-85df-11e8-8f6c-46cb43e3f306_story.html

White supremacy has had a continuous presence in Ulysses and surrounding Potter County since the Ku Klux Klan arrived a century ago, giving the town with a population today of about 650 improbable national significance. In the mid-2000s, it hosted the World Aryan Congress, a gathering of neo-Nazis, skinheads and Klan members.

This year, after a sting operation, federal prosecutors charged six members of an Aryan Strike Force cell with weapons and drug offenses, contending that they had plotted a suicide attack at an anti-racism protest. A terminally ill member was willing to hide a bomb in his oxygen tank and blow himself up, prosecutors said. The group had met and conducted weapons training in Ulysses.

Neo-Nazis and their opponents here say that white extremists have grown more confident and confrontational since the rise of Donald Trump. Two months before the 2016 presidential election, the KKK established a 24 hour Klan Line and sent goody bags containing lollipops and fliers to hundreds of homes. You can sleep tonight knowing the Klan is awake, the message read. A regional newspaper ran Klan advertisements saying, God bless the KKK.

Local police said the group had not openly recruited in years.

Two weeks later, the areas two neo-Nazi groups, the National Socialist Movement (NSM) and Aryan Strike Force, held a white unity meeting in Ulysses to discuss their response to Trump and plan joint action. One organizer would not say when the groups had last met, simply commenting: Its just a good time.

Potter County is staunchly Republican and has voted Democratic once since 1888; Trump received 80 percent of the vote, tying with Herbert Hoover for the highest percentage won.

I can tell you with certainty that since November 2016, activity has doubled, whether its feet on the street or money orders or people helping out, said Daniel Burnside, 43, a woodcarver who owns the Nazi-themed home and directs the state chapter of the National Socialist Movement, a far-right group that was founded in Detroit in the mid-1970s. It has a presence in many states, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups, and the NSM was among the groups taking part in the violent August 2017 rally in defense of Confederate statues in Charlottesville.

We have meetings every 30 days, he said. Theres more collaboration.

Burnside, who declined to say how many local residents were involved in his group, was born in Ulysses and raised there by a grandfather who he said was a Nazi sympathizer who fought in the U.S. Army in Europe during World War II. Burnside said his beloved grandfather drank himself to death because of the wars impact on him.

The younger Burnside said he joined the NSM four years ago but has long harbored anti-Semitic views and is a practicing Odinist the pagan religion Odinism is popular among some neo-Nazis. Burnside does not see Trump as a leader of the NSM cause but as a politician who amplified long-standing white-nationalist views at the right time.

Personally, I dont know about Trump, he said. You wont necessarily see MAGA hats at an NSM meeting. Were anti-Semitic. Somethings off about Trump with the Jews. That said, were strategically aligned. When Trump says something that aligns with us close the borders, build the wall, look after your own thats good: Weve been saying this for 25 years, but he has made it mainstream.

Were still a white nation, and I respect that he supports that, Burnside added. Hes also highlighted social problems. The kids who go to bed hungry, people who cant pay their bills, the damage being done to society.

i suppose odinism makes sense with the norse imagery associated with nazis.
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i love how slurpers try to deny this fact.

wonder if our slurpers are "aligned" as well.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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if your unity meetings consist of uniting any specific race together and excluding the rest, then it's not american. simple as that. america is a melting pot. fuck the Klan hard, and fuck any other racial supremacy group hard too.

This has always been a dumb point to me.

"hey Trump empowers Nazis because a Nazi said he likes Trump."

Ok Charlie, think of something you like and support.

Now what if I told you that a bunch of Nazis or pedophiles or Zelda fans or MS-13 members agreed with you and liked it too?

Do you now hate your thing due to assocation?

No.
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obama empowered anti-white racists, trump empowers white nationalists, neither really feels like news to me. both groups are fringe supporters and pointing at them and saying "SEE! LOOK HOW EVIL THE OTHER SIDE IS!" tends to never be fruitful.
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KILBOTz posted...

obama empowered anti-white racists, trump empowers white nationalists, neither really feels like news to me. both groups are fringe supporters and pointing at them and saying "SEE! LOOK HOW EVIL THE OTHER SIDE IS!" tends to never be fruitful.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

This has always been a dumb point to me.

"hey Trump empowers Nazis because a Nazi said he likes Trump."

Ok Charlie, think of something you like and support.

Now what if I told you that a bunch of Nazis or pedophiles or Zelda fans or MS-13 members agreed with you and liked it too?

Do you now hate your thing due to assocation?

No.

Do you ever get tired of saying the dumbest shit?
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KILBOTz posted...

obama empowered anti-white racists, trump empowers white nationalists, neither really feels like news to me. both groups are fringe supporters and pointing at them and saying "SEE! LOOK HOW EVIL THE OTHER SIDE IS!" tends to never be fruitful.

obama didn't play directly to their interests, however. his entire platform was based around diversity of the nation and acceptance of others, while trump's is a mentality that the others are a threat.
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KILBOTz posted...

obama empowered anti-white racists, trump empowers white nationalists, neither really feels like news to me. both groups are fringe supporters and pointing at them and saying "SEE! LOOK HOW EVIL THE OTHER SIDE IS!" tends to never be fruitful.

Dude you're better than this.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Dude you're better than this.

Giving him too much credit there.
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What the fuck. People need to just stop. Both sides need to cool the fuck down. Does anyone actually want a peaceful life or is that not good enough? jfc.

Thanks Trump is the new Thanks Obama

sktgamer_13dude posted...

KILBOTz posted...

obama empowered anti-white racists, trump empowers white nationalists, neither really feels like news to me. both groups are fringe supporters and pointing at them and saying "SEE! LOOK HOW EVIL THE OTHER SIDE IS!" tends to never be fruitful.

Dude you're better than this.

i just see this article as a smear piece trying to get wapo readers to associate trump with Nazis. That's it. Same as when Fox News talks about how christianity or white people are under attack and putting them blame on democrats/socialists/liberals/whatever.

Putting a spot lights on minority extremists to paint broad picture isn't news.
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Bacon_Pancakes posted...

Both sides

Lol he said the thing
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KILBOTz posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

KILBOTz posted...

obama empowered anti-white racists, trump empowers white nationalists, neither really feels like news to me. both groups are fringe supporters and pointing at them and saying "SEE! LOOK HOW EVIL THE OTHER SIDE IS!" tends to never be fruitful.

Dude you're better than this.

i just see this article as a smear piece trying to get wapo readers to associate trump with Nazis. That's it. Same as when Fox News talks about how christianity or white people are under attack and putting them blame on democrats/socialists/liberals/whatever.

Putting a spot lights on minority extremists to paint broad picture isn't news.

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Bacon_Pancakes posted...

What the fuck. People need to just stop. Both sides need to cool the fuck down. Does anyone actually want a peaceful life or is that not good enough? jfc.

Wont the Nazis and their intended victims just get along!?!?
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KILBOTz posted...

i just see this article as a smear piece trying to get wapo readers to associate trump with Nazis. That's it.

I mean when the President defends then or makes excuses for them it's a lil different
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Doom_Art posted...

KILBOTz posted...

i just see this article as a smear piece trying to get wapo readers to associate trump with Nazis. That's it.

I mean when the President defends then or makes excuses for them it's a lil different

Then report on what the president is saying specifically and doing. When he says awful things I find that news worthy. This sort of article seems to only exist to sow discord.
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Of course that city is in Kansas...
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KILBOTz posted...

Then report on what the president is saying specifically and doing.

They did do that

Iunno what you're looking for here
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I guess at the end of the day this article doesn't feel like one where WaPo did research and let that lead to the story, it feels like they had a story they wanted to tell and found a community that would let them tell it.
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Where are you getting that from
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KILBOTz posted...

I guess at the end of the day this article doesn't feel like one where WaPo did research and let that lead to the story, it feels like they had a story they wanted to tell and found a community that would let them tell it.

It feels like you just don't like the implications and are just searching for excuses to ignore the article.
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KILBOTz posted...

obama empowered anti-white racists

No he didn't.
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E32005 posted...

i love how slurpers try to deny this fact.

wonder if our slurpers are "aligned" as well.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

of course they are. And many of those "aligned" slurpers are in the mod/admin team.

Hawaiian_punch posted...

E32005 posted...

i love how slurpers try to deny this fact.

wonder if our slurpers are "aligned" as well.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

of course they are. And many of those "aligned" slurpers are in the mod/admin team.

Come now, thats just silly
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dreamvoid posted...

I can tell you with certainty that since November 2016, activity has doubled, whether its feet on the street or money orders or people helping out,

To the surprise of literally no one

Anteaterking posted...

KILBOTz posted...

I guess at the end of the day this article doesn't feel like one where WaPo did research and let that lead to the story, it feels like they had a story they wanted to tell and found a community that would let them tell it.

It feels like you just don't like the implications and are just searching for excuses to ignore the article.

i dont care about the implications. i voted for clinton, i wont vote for trump, i dont plan on voting for any republicans in midterms. i just believe articles like this do harm (fuel of a hate machine) and don't spread any vital information you need to know in order to navigate the world. hence, not news worthy.
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dreamvoid posted...

National Socialist Movement, a far-right group

But I heard the word socialism proves far leftism
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Mmmmm slurp slurp
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hockeybub89 posted...

dreamvoid posted...

National Socialist Movement, a far-right group

But I heard the word socialism proves far leftism

Me too. I'm like... hella confused now :/
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Ving_Rhames posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Dude you're better than this.

Giving him too much credit there.

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For equal and opposite reasons, socialist groups have ballooned. I think DSA has something like 8-9 times the membership it had in November 2016
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Hawaiian_punch posted...

E32005 posted...

i love how slurpers try to deny this fact.

wonder if our slurpers are "aligned" as well.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

of course they are. And many of those "aligned" slurpers are in the mod/admin team.

If a moderator said they aligned with Nazi/Neo-Nazi viewpoints they would be removed from the team.
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dreamvoid posted...

A terminally ill member was willing to hide a bomb in his oxygen tank and blow himself up, prosecutors said. The group had met and conducted weapons training in Ulysses.

Actual terrorists.
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Terrible people can feel empowered by a president? Thats never happened before!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xx0CTNg_Ik" data-time="
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SolKarellen posted...

dreamvoid posted...

A terminally ill member was willing to hide a bomb in his oxygen tank and blow himself up, prosecutors said. The group had met and conducted weapons training in Ulysses.

Actual terrorists.

Nah man, they're just economically anxious citizens that overreacted.
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E32005 posted...

i love how slurpers try to deny this fact.

slurpers?
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Axiom posted...

dreamvoid posted...

I can tell you with certainty that since November 2016, activity has doubled, whether its feet on the street or money orders or people helping out,

To the surprise of literally no one

Only to the slurpers in denial still.
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Blue_Inigo posted...

Do you ever get tired of saying the dumbest shit?

Do you ever get tired of saying the dumbest shit?
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Someone want to tell me what a slurper is
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Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...

Someone want to tell me what a slurper is

Democrat buzzword for anyone that voted for Trump, some like CrimsonRage will deny it when you call them out on it but it's heavily implied by the way they act.
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Cthulhu_Fhtagn posted...

Someone want to tell me what a slurper is

http://silenthill.wikia.com/wiki/Slurper
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Oh wow, the group of 50 racists got emboldened! Membership is now 90 people! Wow, everything is happening!!!
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What state is this town in, anyways? There's an Ulysses in Kansas and Kentucky, but those aren't part of the Rust Belt.
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...

Terrible people can feel empowered by a president? Thats never happened before!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xx0CTNg_Ik" data-time="

So in one setting, "terrible people" are people who vote for Obama because he "gives them free money".

And in the other "terrible people" is neo-nazis.

Maybe we're casting too wide of a net with the term terrible?
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