Board 8 > Solio is sad [SoulCalibur VI] [Fighting Games]

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I think Soul Calibur VI is looking to be very interesting, and I am almost definitely going to be getting it very quickly after it launches. I wanted to be a competitive player in SCV and I definitely would have been if there were still any tournaments left by the time I started playing. I love learning about that game, and just recently I got the motivation to pick the game back up and play it again. However, the issue with that is that SCV is a dead game - I doubt there are any weekly tournaments for Soul Calibur happening anywhere in the world, majors are VERY rare, and the online players are few (although, they're still holding on and there's definitely some people coming back online in anticipation of SCVI).

SCV being dead would be far less of an issue to my desire to become a master of the game if the characters I play returned in SCVI. But that ain't happening. I main Patroklos and secondary ZWEI, both of which were SCV newcomers and both of which are almost definitely not going to appear with the same fighting style in SCVI.

But, one can dream. *sigh*

I just want to play SCV but like it's gonna be so much time wasted cause once I pick up SCVI all the knowledge I have of my main is gonna be gone
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What system
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If you're gonna be handicapped that badly because of a character switch you should learn more about core mechanics and mind game stuff.
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Heroic Bigpun posted...

What system

PS3

pjbasis posted...

If you're gonna be handicapped that badly because of a character switch you should learn more about core mechanics and mind game stuff.

Oh it's not necessarily that I'd be so crippled that I couldn't learn another character. I could absolutely do that. I'm pretty good about fighting game theory and fundamentals - my Smash 4 group knows me for my fundamentals, not for my character specialization or tech skill (what little there is in Smash 4). And I play like 4 characters pretty good in that game. I've been working a lot on conditioning opponents in Smash recently too, and I recently learned a lot from a friend of mine who used to be a sponsored fighting game player.

It's just that all the stuff I want to learn right now is about how to optimize Patroklos. What options work in what situations, how do I punish different things the perfect way. I already have my fundamentals down, so when it comes to what else I need to learn, it's mostly a lot of character-specific stuff. I'm looking at combos, oki setups, stuff like that. If I learn all that now, it's gonna all go out the window when Pat isn't in SCVI.

So it's not a matter of "I'm gonna suck when my character doesn't exist", it's more a matter of "Damn, I want to perfect this character but it'll be a total waste of my time so I better not :("
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and its one of those things, if he DOES come back, hes probably gonna be different too

kinda like with Tekken and SF
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Yeah, that's a bummer. It's super unlikely that your characters are gonna be in at all. I'd say even if you're playing Patroklos or ZWEI to brush up on your skills, it'll still help to prepare you for SCVI. I feel like having a solid grasp on movement and system mechanics will already give you a leg up on the competition.

Overall though, I'm really excited for SCVI. I think there's probably gonna be a playable build at EVO next week, so I'm going to try to play a few games if I get a chance.
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There's a stream going on right now on twitch where these guys are exploring some of the Soul Calibur stuff but it seems really complicated lol, they keep talking about different kinds of GI and soul charge and stuff

Stuff that I think is definitely new to SCVI
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I'm watching that stream too! Aris is one of my favorite streamers.
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I've been watching this stream, and man, the game looks really fun. I'm super excited for it. There's a ton of characters I'm interested in playing.
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Solioxrz362 posted...

So it's not a matter of "I'm gonna suck when my character doesn't exist", it's more a matter of "Damn, I want to perfect this character but it'll be a total waste of my time so I better not :("

I get you, but as gmun pointed out the different game will totally flip over what's optimal in what situation in many ways.
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pjbasis posted...

Solioxrz362 posted...

So it's not a matter of "I'm gonna suck when my character doesn't exist", it's more a matter of "Damn, I want to perfect this character but it'll be a total waste of my time so I better not :("

I get you, but as gmun pointed out the different game will totally flip over what's optimal in what situation in many ways.

right

that's why I'm sad

if I play scv and learn characters, it will probably not translate into the new game

also GMUN has not posted in here
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I meant punz.

I knew it was punz but the wrong name came out
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I know you like Patroklos and ZWEI, but why not try picking up a character that you know is for sure a lock for SCVI?
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I do play a little bit of Cervantes and Mitsurugi, so maybe I can translate that into the new game, but I was thinking I may explore the brand new characters like Groh, or Zasalamel who wasn't in V.

Just depends on who I like when the game comes out I suppose. Mitsurugi is pretty basic (although he's definitely good), and I'd love to main Cervantes but I can't consistently do iGDR.
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honestly from the limited gameplay videos i've seen, it looks pretty similar to SCV. i think there's still metered GIs and it has similar pacing. i don't think you're going to be hurting too much.

there's really no way around the character dilemma you mentioned and i know what you're talking about since i've been through the same thing where i just got into a game too late. although even same characters have their styles switched up from game to game or system changes force them to play differently.

btw i've got my ps3 hooked up for the first time in a while so if you're down to play a bit we can mash around like old times. although i'm prepared for all those midmatch disconnects that are going to happen because of the sensitivity. >_>

kateee posted...

btw i've got my ps3 hooked up for the first time in a while so if you're down to play a bit we can mash around like old times. although i'm prepared for all those midmatch disconnects that are going to happen because of the sensitivity. >_>

yes yes yes please
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i can maybe get some games in now.

give me like 5 min

i don't see you on my friends list actually

did i play you on my old account or something?

add me if i'm not on your list: Ligray

never mind i see you

solio pls

yeah i definitely had you added

sorry I didn't respond asap, staying awake is hard sometimes
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i'm here!

Sent invite
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Oooof it's happening

Soul Calibur is the shit
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These are already good games tbh
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Oof two disconnects in a row

You were right this netcode is sensitive
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wowwwww

only the warmup games didn't disconnect ;_;

whyyyyy scv must you disconnect all the time

this didn't happen when I was online a couple nights ago
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so now my DS3 is having an issue where only X and L1 are working every now and then

if it doesn't fix itself this game then I'll have to say let's stop
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ggs man

i still don't know what zwei does and not going to bother learning so that will always be a free game to you lol

My buddy who got me back into this game does not sidestep anything, but kate likes to sidestep about half the time. I whiffed so many launchers and counter-hit fishes only to get launched or otherwise combo'd myself at the start. So now I had to actually implement conditioning and observation a lot more than I had since I picked this game back up again, that was the only way I was gonna catch those sidesteps. Apply pressure and then don't leave an opening on myself

I say it worked, and I am very happy that I got to play this game with another good player. Thanks Kate!
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as much as i'd like to use the "i haven't played in literally years excuse" but honestly i remembered most stuff the second i played around for like 5 minutes lol

still made a bunch of goofs esp combo wise. still sad i never got to pull off a sick combo even though i got the starting hit

also yeah i think pat is a way better character than zwei but i'm so much more comfortable with the pat matchup

kateee posted...

ggs man

i still don't know what zwei does and not going to bother learning so that will always be a free game to you lol

Oh he's easy. If you learn when him or EIN attacks high, you can very easily destroy him. So many of their attacks are straight up crouchable or tech crouchable. 66B, A is high on the second hit, EIN's swipe on 1B is high, 4A is high on the first hit. Crouch all that and punish with whatever, he'll feel like he has no options. Watch out for the delayed 4B BE cause that gives ZWEI a ton of simple mix-up conversions that make for good damage. If you roll left instead of right against him, you'll avoid his overhead swing in roll situations (I think it's 66A+B)

Also he is bad with dealing with up close pressure. He doesn't have a whole lot of really quick moves and they don't really do anything for him even when they land. They're just pokes. Only good semi-quick one is 4B IMO.

But he is definitely a weirder character and when you start dealing with the unblockable setups it gets a lot harder to watch out. His conditioning with delaying EIN can be super scary. Always thought ZWEI was slightly underrated (I don't think he's worst in the game like a ton of people do).
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kateee posted...

as much as i'd like to use the "i haven't played in literally years excuse" but honestly i remembered most stuff the second i played around for like 5 minutes lol

still made a bunch of goofs esp combo wise. still sad i never got to pull off a sick combo even though i got the starting hit

I feel you. Your fundamentals were there for the most part but I noticed a couple of combos you dropped, and I understand. It's hard to shake off the rust that quick tbh, I had to go into training mode to re-learn all the good combos with Patroklos

I was goofing a lot early on too, and on certain hits I wasn't playing optimal. WR A+B I was especially bad at converting off of the two times I landed it even though I know what the best punish is.

That one game on Aeon's cave stage I dropped like 3 CE conversions and lost every round lol.
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i'm very sad i never got to pull off natsu just frame combos

it's like half the reason i play her! so cool looking~

also you should just guard dude

once i saw you didn't just guard certain moves it was on my mind to abuse some shit. honestly i should have just done it every time lol

idk if you remember that game where i used launcher literally like 5 times in a row haha

Solioxrz362 posted...

Always thought ZWEI was slightly underrated (I don't think he's worst in the game like a ton of people do).

i honestly don't even know enough about him to try to rank him but yeah it feels like i'd put him near the bottom

except i remembered Raphael. so i'd put him as worst. damn he sucks.

Viola and Greeks are top 5 for sure though

imo something like

Viola
Alpha Pat
Pat/Pyrrha
Mitsu/Cerv/Natsu
Gloomy Tira
rest
Raph

Ooh I'd put Patroklos probably below Natsu, at least. He's good but kinda basic. He's just got mad rushdown.

I don't just guard cause I never learned the timing, and I'm especially afraid to try it online when the connection may screw with the timing. If I had an offline group to play with I'd definitely put the time in to learning it
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no way Pat is below Natsu. he's top 5 for sure and imo he's pretty much tied with Pyrrha for third. Pyrrha is super cheap too.

Pat builds meter so fast. even the basic mixup between 66B and 1K is too good. 66B is only -2. that is insane for something with that much combo potential. CE is one of the best in the game.

Natsu is honestly pretty limited in higher levels of play since bombs are pretty much a gimmick and while she does have an 8 frame punish, it's only on just frame and the reach isn't the best. and her biggest combos is from a predictable CH starter.

Pat/Pyrrha are so good because they're relatively simple and get massive mileage out of their options. the only reason why they're not top two is because Viola and Alpha Pat are even more ridiculous imo.

Patroklos does build that meter hellllllaa fast. Hit one 66B and you've got over half a meter from the combo basically.

It's just that his options outside of pokes are kinda linear. But I agree he's fantastic. He's got safe step-killers, sweet combos, that SWEET CE (you're not joking it's amazing), rushdown potential, guard break tools. He can pretty much deal with anything. Viola is just dumb design IMO and aPatroklos is not busted, but definitely super fast and has combos for days (and punishes for everything).

I'd love to play aPat but I don't think my hands can do that. All those just frames and instant inputs :(
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2A into CE is a legit combo for APat

that shit is so funny to me.

Solioxrz362 posted...

It's just that his options outside of pokes are kinda linear.

i'm not even sure i would agree with this BUT even in the case it was true i would say other characters are in a similar boat because of the reduced movepools as a whole in SCV so it's not this huge disadvantage like you might think at first.

and even then i think Pat/Pyrrha are two of those characters where you could legit do well with just like 5 moves like SCII Xianghua.

Yeah I think aPat's CE is frame 8 and 2A on hit is +8, so you can true combo. So fuckin stupid lmfao

Thank god aPat's CE is not too damaging
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