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PiOverlord 07/21/18 2:33:08 AM #1:	80/80 No, I don't mean Stalinism, that stuff is an extremely distorted view of what communism is just like Venezuela is a very distorted view of what Socialism is. In a working, efficient Communism society, people will only work what will be the most efficient, so none of this 40 hour weeks where at least 10 hours of that is inefficient because you have no incentive to put that much energy into an activity for that long. We need more reasonable deadlines as well, as people are always shocked how much they can get done when there is a date to when it should be done. The government will not be influenced by any groups or people, as everyone will have equal power. In this society, we will advance A.I to the point where they become the government and know how to best organize its resources of people and material to have a high-functioning society in efficient time. The goal will is not to have humans slave away to keep the nation alive, but to care for the general welfare of all citizens. Those who need specific medicine or procedures will be taken care of as lives are more important than $$. We will have significantly reduced workloads and time at work, especially once machinery can replace nearly all jobs, and therefore being more efficient at outputs. This means we will have more free time, the most valuable resource, to be able to pursue our own interests. In this society, we won't have fat cows, as that is unhealthy, but cows that get a satisfying amount of grass to graze on, and are treated with respect and care. Spread the Red, and educate the masses on why communism can work outside of papers. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 19; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, Rejoice my comrades, utopia awaits once Capitalism dies and communism rises. <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:905457286] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>80/80 No, I don't mean Stalinism, that stuff is an extremely distorted view of what communism is just like Venezuela is a very distorted view of what Socialism is. In a working, efficient Communism society, people will only work what will be the most efficient, so none of this 40 hour weeks where at least 10 hours of that is inefficient because you have no incentive to put that much energy into an activity for that long. We need more reasonable deadlines as well, as people are always shocked how much they can get done when there is a date to when it should be done. The government will not be influenced by any groups or people, as everyone will have equal power. In this society, we will advance A.I to the point where they become the government and know how to best organize its resources of people and material to have a high-functioning society in efficient time. The goal will is not to have humans slave away to keep the nation alive, but to care for the general welfare of all citizens. Those who need specific medicine or procedures will be taken care of as lives are more important than $$. We will have significantly reduced workloads and time at work, especially once machinery can replace nearly all jobs, and therefore being more efficient at outputs. This means we will have more free time, the most valuable resource, to be able to pursue our own interests. In this society, we won't have fat cows, as that is unhealthy, but cows that get a satisfying amount of grass to graze on, and are treated with respect and care. Spread the Red, and educate the masses on why communism can work outside of papers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 07/21/18 2:34:04 AM #2:	--- Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) 2018 NFLB Summersim (5-6): https://imgur.com/7cjNtgQ <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:905457306] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 07/21/18 2:36:05 AM #3:	I agree, comrade. This time. This time, itll work. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:905457359] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>I agree, comrade. This time. This time, itll work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 07/21/18 2:37:45 AM #4:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... I agree, comrade. This time. This time, itll work. As long as we do it right comrade Lorenzo. You don't murder Capitalism, you let it die in a natural way. Capitalism will kill itself just fine. Revolutions create reactionary movements that typically lead to worse tyranny than before. Slowly implement socialist ideals in your country, and as businesses fall, let the government take over the means of production. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 19; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, Rejoice my comrades, utopia awaits once Capitalism dies and communism rises. <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:905457403] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted...</cite> <quote>I agree, comrade. This time. This time, itll work.</quote> As long as we do it right comrade Lorenzo. You don't murder Capitalism, you let it die in a natural way. Capitalism will kill itself just fine. Revolutions create reactionary movements that typically lead to worse tyranny than before. Slowly implement socialist ideals in your country, and as businesses fall, let the government take over the means of production.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/21/18 2:40:43 AM #5:	PiOverlord posted... In a working, efficient Communism society, people will only work what will be the most efficient, so none of this 40 hour weeks where at least 10 hours of that is inefficient because you have no incentive to put that much energy into an activity for that long. How is a communist government gonna accomplish this while every multi-billion dollar company, who have every incentive to make every hour efficient, hasn't? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:905457477] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote>In a working, efficient Communism society, people will only work what will be the most efficient, so none of this 40 hour weeks where at least 10 hours of that is inefficient because you have no incentive to put that much energy into an activity for that long. </quote> How is a communist government gonna accomplish this while every multi-billion dollar company, who have every incentive to make every hour efficient, hasn't?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 07/21/18 2:46:27 AM #6:	Or, you know, we could take what works from both systems and not zealously devote ourselves to a single, dogmatic, non-adaptive philosophy. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:905457590] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>Or, you know, we could take what works from both systems and not zealously devote ourselves to a single, dogmatic, non-adaptive philosophy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Infinite 2003 07/21/18 2:48:36 AM #7:	https://pics.me.me/seize-the-means-of-production-kill-the-bourgeoisie-starve-to-31476486.png --- Before I knew it there was poop on my lips. - squarion <cite>Infinite 2003 posted [p:905457634] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>https://pics.me.me/seize-the-means-of-production-kill-the-bourgeoisie-starve-to-31476486.png</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 07/21/18 2:53:30 AM #8:	Infinite 2003 posted... https://pics.me.me/seize-the-means-of-production-kill-the-bourgeoisie-starve-to-31476486.png The only reason people starve is because foundations like Stalinism have been followed where you give too much power to groups as if it is some feudal society. We need no lords, nor kings. We have enough food to feed our people with current technology but fail to properly organize routes to get this food to people in need, and we allow others to waste more than they could ever eat. The one plump chicken is causing the 5 starving chickens to die because he is hording all the food when they could all not only eat to fill the hunger, but eat to satisfaction, a happy level of food for all. Just like money, if we redistribute the money equally, everyone will be happier. Money has a limit of how much happiness it brings anyways, and a lot of richie rich folks lose any value they see in themselves and have to fill the void with more money. In the Utopian, reasonable society I laid out, no one will have to die for money to feel happy, they can master the skills they desire. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 19; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, Rejoice my comrades, utopia awaits once Capitalism dies and communism rises. <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:905457740] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Infinite 2003 posted...</cite> <quote>https://pics.me.me/seize-the-means-of-production-kill-the-bourgeoisie-starve-to-31476486.png</quote> The only reason people starve is because foundations like Stalinism have been followed where you give too much power to groups as if it is some feudal society. We need no lords, nor kings. We have enough food to feed our people with current technology but fail to properly organize routes to get this food to people in need, and we allow others to waste more than they could ever eat. The one plump chicken is causing the 5 starving chickens to die because he is hording all the food when they could all not only eat to fill the hunger, but eat to satisfaction, a happy level of food for all. Just like money, if we redistribute the money equally, everyone will be happier. Money has a limit of how much happiness it brings anyways, and a lot of richie rich folks lose any value they see in themselves and have to fill the void with more money. In the Utopian, reasonable society I laid out, no one will have to die for money to feel happy, they can master the skills they desire.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 07/21/18 3:10:19 AM #9:	Do you have rights with communism, and if so, who defends them? --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:905458118] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>Do you have rights with communism, and if so, who defends them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 07/21/18 3:12:05 AM #10:	shnangyboos posted... Do you have rights with communism, and if so, who defends them? Of course you do. If you look in the Constitution, you will notice if doesn't state Capitalism, but supports providing for the general welfare of the people. In all reality, the founding fathers would prefer a more socialistic society than what we have now. Also, I do not see why having a Communist government means we can't have rights. We will still have courts, lawyers, etc. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 19; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, Rejoice my comrades, utopia awaits once Capitalism dies and communism rises. <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:905458150] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>shnangyboos posted...</cite> <quote>Do you have rights with communism, and if so, who defends them?</quote> Of course you do. If you look in the Constitution, you will notice if doesn't state Capitalism, but supports providing for the general welfare of the people. In all reality, the founding fathers would prefer a more socialistic society than what we have now. Also, I do not see why having a Communist government means we can't have rights. We will still have courts, lawyers, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 07/21/18 3:13:38 AM #11:	Was just asking. I don't really know shit about communism. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:905458188] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>Was just asking. I don't really know shit about communism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 07/21/18 3:21:26 AM #12:	shnangyboos posted... Was just asking. I don't really know shit about communism. It is a structure that can work as long as you don't try to jump right into it. No master of any art went straight into the most advanced of techniques. They had to start at the bottom, and progress before they are what they are now. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 19; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, Rejoice my comrades, utopia awaits once Capitalism dies and communism rises. <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:905458333] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>shnangyboos posted...</cite> <quote>Was just asking. I don't really know shit about communism.</quote> It is a structure that can work as long as you don't try to jump right into it. No master of any art went straight into the most advanced of techniques. They had to start at the bottom, and progress before they are what they are now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 07/21/18 3:27:16 AM #13:	The problem with communism is that it doesn't take human behavior into account. What incentive would there be for someone to go to school for 10 years post-high school and become a doctor, just to have the same lifestyle as someone who's flipping burgers at McLenin's? --- "So much cruelty and madness in these days of despair That's not the way that I am, no, that's not the way that I am." <cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted [p:905458453] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>The problem with communism is that it doesn't take human behavior into account. What incentive would there be for someone to go to school for 10 years post-high school and become a doctor, just to have the same lifestyle as someone who's flipping burgers at McLenin's?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 07/21/18 3:29:57 AM #14:	DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted... The problem with communism is that it doesn't take human behavior into account. What incentive would there be for someone to go to school for 10 years post-high school and become a doctor, just to have the same lifestyle as someone who's flipping burgers at McLenin's? The desire to help, the desire to learn more about the human body, the desire to have a fulfilling career, the desire to feel important, the desire to master various skills, etc. Flipping burgers is something that very few people actually would want to do as a career, even with the same benefits as it would only be a time-killer. The person doing it would have no self-fulfillment from such an activity, and people truly underestimate how much people care for things beyond money. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 19; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, Rejoice my comrades, utopia awaits once Capitalism dies and communism rises. <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:905458501] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...</cite> <quote>The problem with communism is that it doesn't take human behavior into account. What incentive would there be for someone to go to school for 10 years post-high school and become a doctor, just to have the same lifestyle as someone who's flipping burgers at McLenin's?</quote> The desire to help, the desire to learn more about the human body, the desire to have a fulfilling career, the desire to feel important, the desire to master various skills, etc. Flipping burgers is something that very few people actually would want to do as a career, even with the same benefits as it would only be a time-killer. The person doing it would have no self-fulfillment from such an activity, and people truly underestimate how much people care for things beyond money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reis 07/21/18 3:30:29 AM #15:	imagine wanting to starve to death under communism <cite>Reis posted [p:905458514] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>imagine wanting to starve to death under communism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 07/21/18 3:31:15 AM #16:	PiOverlord posted... DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted... The problem with communism is that it doesn't take human behavior into account. What incentive would there be for someone to go to school for 10 years post-high school and become a doctor, just to have the same lifestyle as someone who's flipping burgers at McLenin's? The desire to help, the desire to learn more about the human body, the desire to have a fulfilling career, the desire to feel important, the desire to master various skills, etc. Flipping burgers is something that very few people actually would want to do as a career, even with the same benefits as it would only be a time-killer. The person doing it would have no self-fulfillment from such an activity, and people truly underestimate how much people care for things beyond money. As someone whos been through medical school and is in an OB/GYN residency... fucking lol --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:905458529] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...</cite> <quote>The problem with communism is that it doesn't take human behavior into account. What incentive would there be for someone to go to school for 10 years post-high school and become a doctor, just to have the same lifestyle as someone who's flipping burgers at McLenin's?</quote> The desire to help, the desire to learn more about the human body, the desire to have a fulfilling career, the desire to feel important, the desire to master various skills, etc. Flipping burgers is something that very few people actually would want to do as a career, even with the same benefits as it would only be a time-killer. The person doing it would have no self-fulfillment from such an activity, and people truly underestimate how much people care for things beyond money.</quote> As someone whos been through medical school and is in an OB/GYN residency... fucking lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 07/21/18 3:35:18 AM #17:	MrPeppers posted... PiOverlord posted... DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted... The problem with communism is that it doesn't take human behavior into account. What incentive would there be for someone to go to school for 10 years post-high school and become a doctor, just to have the same lifestyle as someone who's flipping burgers at McLenin's? The desire to help, the desire to learn more about the human body, the desire to have a fulfilling career, the desire to feel important, the desire to master various skills, etc. Flipping burgers is something that very few people actually would want to do as a career, even with the same benefits as it would only be a time-killer. The person doing it would have no self-fulfillment from such an activity, and people truly underestimate how much people care for things beyond money. As someone whos been through medical school and is in an OB/GYN residency... fucking lol Just because you only became a doctor for the money, that doesn't mean everyone chose that route. If you would rather flip patties for the same money, be my guest, but don't come crying when you sit 40 years later wondering where you wasted your life at because you did something with no personal fulfillment. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 19; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, Rejoice my comrades, utopia awaits once Capitalism dies and communism rises. <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:905458599] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...</cite> <quote>The problem with communism is that it doesn't take human behavior into account. What incentive would there be for someone to go to school for 10 years post-high school and become a doctor, just to have the same lifestyle as someone who's flipping burgers at McLenin's?</quote> The desire to help, the desire to learn more about the human body, the desire to have a fulfilling career, the desire to feel important, the desire to master various skills, etc. Flipping burgers is something that very few people actually would want to do as a career, even with the same benefits as it would only be a time-killer. The person doing it would have no self-fulfillment from such an activity, and people truly underestimate how much people care for things beyond money.</quote> As someone whos been through medical school and is in an OB/GYN residency... fucking lol</quote> Just because you only became a doctor for the money, that doesn't mean everyone chose that route. If you would rather flip patties for the same money, be my guest, but don't come crying when you sit 40 years later wondering where you wasted your life at because you did something with no personal fulfillment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 07/21/18 3:37:06 AM #18:	So, you're going to replace the human run government with advanced AI, right? This AI will determine how to most effectively organize human and material resources, right? Why are you assuming this hypothetical AI will direct people and material in a way that is congruous with your communist vision in which people are free to pursue their interests as they please? --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:905458637] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>So, you're going to replace the human run government with advanced AI, right? This AI will determine how to most effectively organize human and material resources, right? Why are you assuming this hypothetical AI will direct people and material in a way that is congruous with your communist vision in which people are free to pursue their interests as they please?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 07/21/18 3:37:32 AM #19:	i hate eating full meals too --- "There is value in segregation." - qwertyman2002 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:905458645] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>i hate eating full meals too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 07/21/18 3:43:46 AM #20:	Esrac posted... So, you're going to replace the human run government with advanced AI, right? This AI will determine how to most effectively organize human and material resources, right? Why are you assuming this hypothetical AI will direct people and material in a way that is congruous with your communist vision in which people are free to pursue their interests as they please? Just like we are biologically engineered to pursue certain goals for fulfillment, happiness, and survival, the A.I will be engineered so at their most basic level, they will strive for the general welfare of the human population. Their goal is to organize resources in order to survive and give us meaningful, satisfying lives. AlephZero posted... i hate eating full meals too Sure, you'll no longer get to eat meals like they are some buffet because no human needs that much, nor is it required for them to feel satisfied. You will the proper amount of food that not only allows you to survive, but reach peak happiness. Once you get to a certain point, you are just eating in hopes of obtaining more happiness even though you are actually causing discomfort. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 19; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, Rejoice my comrades, utopia awaits once Capitalism dies and communism rises. <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:905458759] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>So, you're going to replace the human run government with advanced AI, right? This AI will determine how to most effectively organize human and material resources, right? Why are you assuming this hypothetical AI will direct people and material in a way that is congruous with your communist vision in which people are free to pursue their interests as they please?</quote> Just like we are biologically engineered to pursue certain goals for fulfillment, happiness, and survival, the A.I will be engineered so at their most basic level, they will strive for the general welfare of the human population. Their goal is to organize resources in order to survive and give us meaningful, satisfying lives. <cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>i hate eating full meals too</quote> Sure, you'll no longer get to eat meals like they are some buffet because no human needs that much, nor is it required for them to feel satisfied. You will the proper amount of food that not only allows you to survive, but reach peak happiness. Once you get to a certain point, you are just eating in hopes of obtaining more happiness even though you are actually causing discomfort.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 07/21/18 3:52:07 AM #21:	The problem with communism is the presence of a central authority, aka government. A government dictating what to do, how to do it, and who benefits is what shifts governing style to authoritarian and kills the ideology ultimately. At least with the free market, you leave it up to supply and demand and the central authority is left with less power. Human nature is dangerous under communism. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:905458905] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>The problem with communism is the presence of a central authority, aka government. A government dictating what to do, how to do it, and who benefits is what shifts governing style to authoritarian and kills the ideology ultimately. At least with the free market, you leave it up to supply and demand and the central authority is left with less power. Human nature is dangerous under communism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LuffySkull 07/21/18 3:55:04 AM #22:	I love it when people spout communism as a solution without actually reading up on it. Marx had and idea of a utopian society that he called communism. It was what he believed society would evolve into some day. But he never really laid out in the Communist manifesto how you get from Capitalism to Communism. Not to mention the fact for communism to actually work you need for certain basic things like food and water (electricity was just coming around when Marx died) to be abundant to the point no one has to worry about paying for them. Let alone electric power which he couldnt have thought to factor in. Basically Marx envisioned Star Trek TNG. Thats oversimplification but the point stands. Unfortunately human nature as a collective whole wouldnt stand up for how communism works even if it was actually able to done on a wide scale. So by all means continue to think its a silver bullet for Capitalism.... --- https://imgur.com/f9NvmJc <cite>LuffySkull posted [p:905458975] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>I love it when people spout communism as a solution without actually reading up on it. Marx had and idea of a utopian society that he called communism. It was what he believed society would evolve into some day. But he never really laid out in the Communist manifesto how you get from Capitalism to Communism. Not to mention the fact for communism to actually work you need for certain basic things like food and water (electricity was just coming around when Marx died) to be abundant to the point no one has to worry about paying for them. Let alone electric power which he couldnt have thought to factor in. Basically Marx envisioned Star Trek TNG. Thats oversimplification but the point stands. Unfortunately human nature as a collective whole wouldnt stand up for how communism works even if it was actually able to done on a wide scale. So by all means continue to think its a silver bullet for Capitalism....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 07/21/18 3:55:14 AM #23:	scorpion41 posted... The problem with communism is the presence of a central authority, aka government. A government dictating what to do, how to do it, and who benefits is what shifts governing style to authoritarian and kills the ideology ultimately. At least with the free market, you leave it up to supply and demand and the central authority is left with less power. Human nature is dangerous under communism. Under the communist regime I laid out. What to do: Enjoy free-time, pursue your own happiness, master skills for self-fulfillment, provide to society in the best way that you can. Don't break the law. How to do it: Up to how you best can learn. As for don't break the law, well just don't break the law... Who benefits: Law-abiding citizens, every single one of them as they all get equal power, and the right to pursue their own happiness not some fat cows. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 19; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, Rejoice my comrades, utopia awaits once Capitalism dies and communism rises. <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:905458979] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>The problem with communism is the presence of a central authority, aka government. A government dictating what to do, how to do it, and who benefits is what shifts governing style to authoritarian and kills the ideology ultimately. At least with the free market, you leave it up to supply and demand and the central authority is left with less power. Human nature is dangerous under communism.</quote> Under the communist regime I laid out. What to do: Enjoy free-time, pursue your own happiness, master skills for self-fulfillment, provide to society in the best way that you can. Don't break the law. How to do it: Up to how you best can learn. As for don't break the law, well just don't break the law... Who benefits: Law-abiding citizens, every single one of them as they all get equal power, and the right to pursue their own happiness not some fat cows.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 07/21/18 3:57:32 AM #24:	LuffySkull posted... I love it when people spout communism as a solution without actually reading up on it. Marx had and idea of a utopian society that he called communism. It was what he believed society would evolve into some day. But he never really laid out in the Communist manifesto how you get from Capitalism to Communism. Not to mention the fact for communism to actually work you need for certain basic things like food and water (electricity was just coming around when Marx died) to be abundant. Basically Marx envisioned Star Trek TNG. Thats oversimplification but the point stands. Unfortunately human nature as a collective whole wouldnt stand up for how communism works even if it was actually able to done on a wide scale. So by all means continue to think its a silver bullet for Capitalism.... By all means: Keep believing life is about serving the fat cows on top, and buying into the capitalist propaganda you have been fed your whole life. I laid out how it can happen, why it can work, and what not to do. A little simplistic, but a model can be designed as well with it. While you sit doing nothing except collecting money and giving it back, we will progress society and help it evolve. Don't worry, you too will get to enjoy the luxuries of this utopian society! --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 19; PiO ATTN: 2 RotM wins 1, Rejoice my comrades, utopia awaits once Capitalism dies and communism rises. <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:905459027] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>LuffySkull posted...</cite> <quote>I love it when people spout communism as a solution without actually reading up on it. Marx had and idea of a utopian society that he called communism. It was what he believed society would evolve into some day. But he never really laid out in the Communist manifesto how you get from Capitalism to Communism. Not to mention the fact for communism to actually work you need for certain basic things like food and water (electricity was just coming around when Marx died) to be abundant. Basically Marx envisioned Star Trek TNG. Thats oversimplification but the point stands. Unfortunately human nature as a collective whole wouldnt stand up for how communism works even if it was actually able to done on a wide scale. So by all means continue to think its a silver bullet for Capitalism....</quote> By all means: Keep believing life is about serving the fat cows on top, and buying into the capitalist propaganda you have been fed your whole life. I laid out how it can happen, why it can work, and what not to do. A little simplistic, but a model can be designed as well with it. While you sit doing nothing except collecting money and giving it back, we will progress society and help it evolve. Don't worry, you too will get to enjoy the luxuries of this utopian society!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LuffySkull 07/21/18 4:04:47 AM #25:	PiOverlord posted... LuffySkull posted... I love it when people spout communism as a solution without actually reading up on it. Marx had and idea of a utopian society that he called communism. It was what he believed society would evolve into some day. But he never really laid out in the Communist manifesto how you get from Capitalism to Communism. Not to mention the fact for communism to actually work you need for certain basic things like food and water (electricity was just coming around when Marx died) to be abundant. Basically Marx envisioned Star Trek TNG. Thats oversimplification but the point stands. Unfortunately human nature as a collective whole wouldnt stand up for how communism works even if it was actually able to done on a wide scale. So by all means continue to think its a silver bullet for Capitalism.... By all means: Keep believing life is about serving the fat cows on top, and buying into the capitalist propaganda you have been fed your whole life. I laid out how it can happen, why it can work, and what not to do. A little simplistic, but a model can be designed as well with it. While you sit doing nothing except collecting money and giving it back, we will progress society and help it evolve. Don't worry, you too will get to enjoy the luxuries of this utopian society! At this point I think you are being naive and dense on purpose for some kind of gimmick. Capitalism worked until we went global and now its breaking down. Unfortunately the world is propped up on that system. The answer is not Communism. And your plan is grossly bad. You hinge on things that are not feasible not practical. You literally said Just dont break the law as solution to crime... Maybe address some of my points next time instead of just trying to be a smart ass. Communism is a dream that I dont think humans as we currently are mentally are able to achieve due to jealousy and wanting to be better than the other guy. --- https://imgur.com/f9NvmJc <cite>LuffySkull posted [p:905459149] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LuffySkull posted...</cite> <quote>I love it when people spout communism as a solution without actually reading up on it. Marx had and idea of a utopian society that he called communism. It was what he believed society would evolve into some day. But he never really laid out in the Communist manifesto how you get from Capitalism to Communism. Not to mention the fact for communism to actually work you need for certain basic things like food and water (electricity was just coming around when Marx died) to be abundant. Basically Marx envisioned Star Trek TNG. Thats oversimplification but the point stands. Unfortunately human nature as a collective whole wouldnt stand up for how communism works even if it was actually able to done on a wide scale. So by all means continue to think its a silver bullet for Capitalism....</quote> By all means: Keep believing life is about serving the fat cows on top, and buying into the capitalist propaganda you have been fed your whole life. I laid out how it can happen, why it can work, and what not to do. A little simplistic, but a model can be designed as well with it. While you sit doing nothing except collecting money and giving it back, we will progress society and help it evolve. Don't worry, you too will get to enjoy the luxuries of this utopian society!</quote> At this point I think you are being naive and dense on purpose for some kind of gimmick. Capitalism worked until we went global and now its breaking down. Unfortunately the world is propped up on that system. The answer is not Communism. And your plan is grossly bad. You hinge on things that are not feasible not practical. You literally said Just dont break the law as solution to crime... Maybe address some of my points next time instead of just trying to be a smart ass. Communism is a dream that I dont think humans as we currently are mentally are able to achieve due to jealousy and wanting to be better than the other guy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 07/21/18 4:17:14 AM #26:	PiOverlord posted... Esrac posted... So, you're going to replace the human run government with advanced AI, right? This AI will determine how to most effectively organize human and material resources, right? Why are you assuming this hypothetical AI will direct people and material in a way that is congruous with your communist vision in which people are free to pursue their interests as they please? Just like we are biologically engineered to pursue certain goals for fulfillment, happiness, and survival, the A.I will be engineered so at their most basic level, they will strive for the general welfare of the human population. Their goal is to organize resources in order to survive and give us meaningful, satisfying lives. Okay. That's not what you said though. You said the AI would best organize people and material for a high functioning, efficient society. It's a pretty tall assumption that this hypothetical AI would or could government society in such a way that it is efficient and well functioning and allowing for everyone to have the surplus of free time to pursue their interests. Or that that people's interests would allow for this hypothetical society to function so well. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:905459374] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>So, you're going to replace the human run government with advanced AI, right? This AI will determine how to most effectively organize human and material resources, right? Why are you assuming this hypothetical AI will direct people and material in a way that is congruous with your communist vision in which people are free to pursue their interests as they please?</quote> Just like we are biologically engineered to pursue certain goals for fulfillment, happiness, and survival, the A.I will be engineered so at their most basic level, they will strive for the general welfare of the human population. Their goal is to organize resources in order to survive and give us meaningful, satisfying lives.</quote> Okay. That's not what you said though. You said the AI would best organize people and material for a high functioning, efficient society. It's a pretty tall assumption that this hypothetical AI would or could government society in such a way that it is efficient and well functioning and allowing for everyone to have the surplus of free time to pursue their interests. Or that that people's interests would allow for this hypothetical society to function so well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyurem-BIack 07/21/18 4:20:53 AM #27:	@PiOverlord we're going for a helicopter ride, you and i <cite>Kyurem-BIack posted [p:905459449] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>@PiOverlord we're going for a helicopter ride, you and i</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 07/21/18 4:58:29 AM #28:	PiOverlord posted... 80/80 No, I don't mean Stalinism, that stuff is an extremely distorted view of what communism is just like Venezuela is a very distorted view of what Socialism is. No it isn't. /topic --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:905460057] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>PiOverlord posted...</cite> <quote>80/80 No, I don't mean Stalinism, that stuff is an extremely distorted view of what communism is just like Venezuela is a very distorted view of what Socialism is. </quote> No it isn't. /topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/21/18 5:05:48 AM #29:	Look at it like this: communism has the best chance of working in the US because we can't invade there or create harmful policy to intentionally slight our ability to import and export goods. I mean, unintentionally, sure, just look at trump's tariffs that harmed us. But trump is a capitalist and was seeking financial harm to allies, and not even in retaliation to anything they had done. Communists would have no such need for that sort of a retaliation. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:905460192] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>Look at it like this: communism has the best chance of working in the US because we can't invade there or create harmful policy to intentionally slight our ability to import and export goods. I mean, unintentionally, sure, just look at trump's tariffs that harmed us. But trump is a capitalist and was seeking financial harm to allies, and not even in retaliation to anything they had done. Communists would have no such need for that sort of a retaliation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyurem-BIack 07/21/18 5:26:58 AM #30:	gunplagirl posted... Look at it like this: communism has the best chance of working in the US because we can't invade there or create harmful policy to intentionally slight our ability to import and export goods. I mean, unintentionally, sure, just look at trump's tariffs that harmed us. But trump is a capitalist and was seeking financial harm to allies, and not even in retaliation to anything they had done. Communists would have no such need for that sort of a retaliation. communism doesn't work <cite>Kyurem-BIack posted [p:905460592] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Look at it like this: communism has the best chance of working in the US because we can't invade there or create harmful policy to intentionally slight our ability to import and export goods. I mean, unintentionally, sure, just look at trump's tariffs that harmed us. But trump is a capitalist and was seeking financial harm to allies, and not even in retaliation to anything they had done. Communists would have no such need for that sort of a retaliation.</quote> communism doesn't work</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/21/18 5:36:57 AM #31:	Kyurem-BIack posted... gunplagirl posted... Look at it like this: communism has the best chance of working in the US because we can't invade there or create harmful policy to intentionally slight our ability to import and export goods. I mean, unintentionally, sure, just look at trump's tariffs that harmed us. But trump is a capitalist and was seeking financial harm to allies, and not even in retaliation to anything they had done. Communists would have no such need for that sort of a retaliation. communism doesn't work Neither does capitalism. Look at all the homeless people, people who don't own their home and all the unused houses. Or all the starving people and people who will face hunger at some point in their life and then look at all the food that's destroyed rather than donated or used at all. Plus look at the tons of fruits and veggies tossed out because they don't meet the beauty standards for ideal shapes, sizes, etc. Banana not long enough and too thick? Trashed. Carrot is lumpy and has two roots? Tossed out. Massive farm produced too much milk? Government pays the farmer to dump it to keep prices shown. Smaller farm produces too much milk? Government will fine them if they don't dispose of the excess immediately, won't even allow them to process the milk into other products or donate it. But go on about how communism doesn't work. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:905460755] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyurem-BIack posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Look at it like this: communism has the best chance of working in the US because we can't invade there or create harmful policy to intentionally slight our ability to import and export goods. I mean, unintentionally, sure, just look at trump's tariffs that harmed us. But trump is a capitalist and was seeking financial harm to allies, and not even in retaliation to anything they had done. Communists would have no such need for that sort of a retaliation.</quote> communism doesn't work</quote> Neither does capitalism. Look at all the homeless people, people who don't own their home and all the unused houses. Or all the starving people and people who will face hunger at some point in their life and then look at all the food that's destroyed rather than donated or used at all. Plus look at the tons of fruits and veggies tossed out because they don't meet the beauty standards for ideal shapes, sizes, etc. Banana not long enough and too thick? Trashed. Carrot is lumpy and has two roots? Tossed out. Massive farm produced too much milk? Government pays the farmer to dump it to keep prices shown. Smaller farm produces too much milk? Government will fine them if they don't dispose of the excess immediately, won't even allow them to process the milk into other products or donate it. But go on about how communism doesn't work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyurem-BIack 07/21/18 5:40:08 AM #32:	gunplagirl posted... Kyurem-BIack posted... gunplagirl posted... Look at it like this: communism has the best chance of working in the US because we can't invade there or create harmful policy to intentionally slight our ability to import and export goods. I mean, unintentionally, sure, just look at trump's tariffs that harmed us. But trump is a capitalist and was seeking financial harm to allies, and not even in retaliation to anything they had done. Communists would have no such need for that sort of a retaliation. communism doesn't work Neither does capitalism. Look at all the homeless people, people who don't own their home and all the unused houses. Or all the starving people and people who will face hunger at some point in their life and then look at all the food that's destroyed rather than donated or used at all. Plus look at the tons of fruits and veggies tossed out because they don't meet the beauty standards for ideal shapes, sizes, etc. Banana not long enough and too thick? Trashed. Carrot is lumpy and has two roots? Tossed out. Massive farm produced too much milk? Government pays the farmer to dump it to keep prices shown. Smaller farm produces too much milk? Government will fine them if they don't dispose of the excess immediately, won't even allow them to process the milk into other products or donate it. But go on about how communism doesn't work. you realize the most developed countries in the world are capitalist right spin it any way you want but social democracy is capitalism at least capitalism is capable of working under the right conditions, communism has literally never worked once <cite>Kyurem-BIack posted [p:905460810] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyurem-BIack posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Look at it like this: communism has the best chance of working in the US because we can't invade there or create harmful policy to intentionally slight our ability to import and export goods. I mean, unintentionally, sure, just look at trump's tariffs that harmed us. But trump is a capitalist and was seeking financial harm to allies, and not even in retaliation to anything they had done. Communists would have no such need for that sort of a retaliation.</quote> communism doesn't work</quote> Neither does capitalism. Look at all the homeless people, people who don't own their home and all the unused houses. Or all the starving people and people who will face hunger at some point in their life and then look at all the food that's destroyed rather than donated or used at all. Plus look at the tons of fruits and veggies tossed out because they don't meet the beauty standards for ideal shapes, sizes, etc. Banana not long enough and too thick? Trashed. Carrot is lumpy and has two roots? Tossed out. Massive farm produced too much milk? Government pays the farmer to dump it to keep prices shown. Smaller farm produces too much milk? Government will fine them if they don't dispose of the excess immediately, won't even allow them to process the milk into other products or donate it. But go on about how communism doesn't work. </quote> you realize the most developed countries in the world are capitalist right spin it any way you want but social democracy is capitalism at least capitalism is capable of working under the right conditions, communism has literally never worked once</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyurem-BIack 07/21/18 5:41:12 AM #33:	like, it has failed literally every single time it's been tried what makes you fucking think it'll work this time <cite>Kyurem-BIack posted [p:905460825] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>like, it has failed literally every single time it's been tried what makes you fucking think it'll work this time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/21/18 5:43:02 AM #34:	Capitalism has failed every time it's been tried What makes you think it'll suddenly improve --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:905460853] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>Capitalism has failed every time it's been tried What makes you think it'll suddenly improve</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC 07/21/18 10:09:53 AM #35:	We need to form an anarcho-syndicalist commune. --- "So much cruelty and madness in these days of despair That's not the way that I am, no, that's not the way that I am." <cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted [p:905466462] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>We need to form an anarcho-syndicalist commune.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 07/21/18 10:11:48 AM #36:	Do you guys have another Discord server? Link? --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:905466531] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>Do you guys have another Discord server? Link?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 07/21/18 10:12:47 AM #37:	@Kyurem-BIack stop falling for gunplagirl's shitposts fam --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:905466569] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>@Kyurem-BIack stop falling for gunplagirl's shitposts fam</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/21/18 10:19:22 AM #38:	gunplagirl posted... Capitalism has failed every time it's been tried What makes you think it'll suddenly improve Yeah Brb gonna go post more shit from my phone on the internet "But the state invented the internet!" Yeah and if not for capitalist innovation, it would hardly have changed with no profit motive. God bless murica and capitalism. The only people who hate it are those who suck at making money and being useful <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905466805] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Capitalism has failed every time it's been tried What makes you think it'll suddenly improve</quote> Yeah Brb gonna go post more shit from my phone on the internet "But the state invented the internet!" Yeah and if not for capitalist innovation, it would hardly have changed with no profit motive. God bless murica and capitalism. The only people who hate it are those who suck at making money and being useful</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/21/18 10:54:27 AM #39:	Romes187 posted... gunplagirl posted... Capitalism has failed every time it's been tried What makes you think it'll suddenly improve Yeah Brb gonna go post more shit from my phone on the internet "But the state invented the internet!" Yeah and if not for capitalist innovation, it would hardly have changed with no profit motive. God bless murica and capitalism. The only people who hate it are those who suck at making money and being useful Ah yes let's not forget that the printing press was only motivated by the motivation of profit oh wait --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:905468026] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Capitalism has failed every time it's been tried What makes you think it'll suddenly improve</quote> Yeah Brb gonna go post more shit from my phone on the internet "But the state invented the internet!" Yeah and if not for capitalist innovation, it would hardly have changed with no profit motive. God bless murica and capitalism. The only people who hate it are those who suck at making money and being useful</quote> Ah yes let's not forget that the printing press was only motivated by the motivation of profit oh wait</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Coffeebeanz 07/21/18 11:09:02 AM #41:	Beep boop destroy all humans --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:905468531] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>Beep boop destroy all humans</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/21/18 11:24:29 AM #42:	gunplagirl posted... Romes187 posted... gunplagirl posted... Capitalism has failed every time it's been tried What makes you think it'll suddenly improve Yeah Brb gonna go post more shit from my phone on the internet "But the state invented the internet!" Yeah and if not for capitalist innovation, it would hardly have changed with no profit motive. God bless murica and capitalism. The only people who hate it are those who suck at making money and being useful Ah yes let's not forget that the printing press was only motivated by the motivation of profit oh wait lmao <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905469078] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Capitalism has failed every time it's been tried What makes you think it'll suddenly improve</quote> Yeah Brb gonna go post more shit from my phone on the internet "But the state invented the internet!" Yeah and if not for capitalist innovation, it would hardly have changed with no profit motive. God bless murica and capitalism. The only people who hate it are those who suck at making money and being useful</quote> Ah yes let's not forget that the printing press was only motivated by the motivation of profit oh wait</quote> lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Romes187 07/21/18 11:28:36 AM #44:	Godnorgosh posted... When you think the Soviets were communists but they made it to space before anyone else https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Two-Buttons.jpg haha nice try imagine choosing "getting to space first but everything else is a shit show" over "getting to space and everything isn't a shit show" lmao literal commies in 2018 <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905469208] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>When you think the Soviets were communists but they made it to space before anyone else https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Two-Buttons.jpg</quote> haha nice try imagine choosing "getting to space first but everything else is a shit show" over "getting to space and everything isn't a shit show" lmao literal commies in 2018</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Goggalor_ 07/21/18 11:29:05 AM #45:	Fuck communism. Fuck it hard. --- Playing: Horizon Zero Dawn Reading: Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes <cite>_Goggalor_ posted [p:905469226] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>Fuck communism. Fuck it hard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 07/21/18 11:30:26 AM #46:	I get that the TC is just shitposting, but if everyone is equal, what incentive is there for people to go into high risk work or work that takes years and years of studying? Is there a job lottery that assigns certain jobs to certain people? <cite>nemu posted [p:905469273] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>I get that the TC is just shitposting, but if everyone is equal, what incentive is there for people to go into high risk work or work that takes years and years of studying? Is there a job lottery that assigns certain jobs to certain people?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Error1355 07/21/18 11:33:56 AM #49:	ban jobs1!!!!! --- Welcome home, shed your skin and expose your bones. Take my hand, follow us into the black so far that we can't get back. <cite>Error1355 posted [p:905469419] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote>ban jobs1!!!!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QueenCarly 07/21/18 11:35:38 AM #50:	DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted... The problem with communism is that it doesn't take human behavior into account. You mean the thing that adapts to its environment? Fuck off with that 'human nature' argument. --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26AHNHoZ6XnXX2fhC/giphy.gif <cite>QueenCarly posted [p:905469472] in A solution... [t:76827540]...</cite> <quote><cite>DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...</cite> <quote>The problem with communism is that it doesn't take human behavior into account. </quote> You mean the thing that adapts to its environment? Fuck off with that 'human nature' argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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