Current Events > Do you consider guys and girls equal?

(+) Yeah! (+)

This also assumes that you can still be "equal" and acknowledge that there are differences in physical strength, reproduction, hormones, and mental structures. That those differences are offset enough by other positives or ability's that can equal it out.

Bonus question on if you feel that there is a reason they aren't what gives one gender the edge.

Girls have better boobs
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I am equal to my girlfriend but superior to all others.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

Girls have better boobs

They complement each other. both are better at different things

at least that's how I see it
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Equal in what?
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SpinKirby posted...

Equal in what?

Over all. A combo of everything.

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

SpinKirby posted...

Equal in what?

Over all. A combo of everything.

That's a paradox.

Can we just settle with that being an male has an edge in most modern societies?
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Amazon_Shampoo posted...

SpinKirby posted...

Equal in what?

Over all. A combo of everything.

what does that mean?
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MakoReizei posted...

They complement each other. both are better at different things

at least that's how I see it

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no
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Both are equal in terms of value and worth to the world.

That being said, men are more fun to be around and generally have something more to offer in terms of friendship.

Women have dat puss though. So both are great.
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Equal in intelligence.

Men are physically stronger than women. Sorry.
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So you got something to look at when you're talking to them
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

So you got something to look at when you're talking to them

So you got something to look at when you're talking to them. ehheheheehehehhehheh
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

SpinKirby posted...

Equal in what?

Over all. A combo of everything.

what does that mean?

It means if you took everything that guys and girls could do, looked at them all as a whole, are they equal. Of course there are some events that one or the other would excel at, but were looking at everything all at once.

Bruce Jenner became a women and in the same year won women of the year proving once again men are better at everything.
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Caution999 posted...

Equal in intelligence.

Men are physically stronger than women. Sorry.

That's true of course, No one would argue that... well no one sane. However women are usually stronger with empathy and emotional needs.

It's stuff like this to consider if over all both are equal. I am however staying neutral in this to not impact the poll.

Thanks a lot for those who voted and took a min to discuss in here. I've posted this on other places online with mostly male and female dominated audiences just to get a better picture of how people looked at this.

I'll lock this after the necessary time has gone by.

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

SpinKirby posted...

Equal in what?

Over all. A combo of everything.

what does that mean?

It means if you took everything that guys and girls could do, looked at them all as a whole, are they equal. Of course there are some events that one or the other would excel at, but were looking at everything all at once.

Well then instantly no.

Girls can't shove their dicks into a hole and struggle to pee while standing up without getting it all over themselves
Men are shit at giving birth.

But I feel like that's dishonest wording as they should be equal in law and oppotunity.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

Girls have better boobs

guy boobs are pretty cute tho tbh
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"If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts" - Camille Paglia

Virtually everything that humans have ever accomplished, invented, built, conquered, discovered, and created has been done by men. I do not believe this is a result of "patriarchy". If you think men and women are equally capable on either planes of intelligence or physicality you are willfully ignoring all evidence available which clearly points to the contrary. Women are equally valuable to men, the role of mother is of the utmost importance, but they are nowhere near equally capable and every shred of evidence bears that out. Look at the record books, look at sports, look at the history books, look at Nobel prizes, look at chess champions. In any field of competence or competition men are invariably the most competent and win the competition.
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Omega Hunter posted...

"If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts" - Camille Paglia

Virtually everything that humans have ever accomplished, invented, built, conquered, discovered, and created has been done by men. I do not believe this is a result of "patriarchy". If you think men and women are equally capable on either planes of intelligence or physicality you are willfully ignoring all evidence available which clearly points to the contrary. Women are equally valuable to men, the role of mother is of the utmost importance, but they are nowhere near equally capable and every shred of evidence bears that out. Look at the record books, look at sports, look at the history books, look at Nobel prizes, look at chess champions. In any field of competence or competition men are invariably the most competent and win the competition.

"'\look at how a male dominant society has had a history of male dominance.
I don't think its a result of the patriarchy"

lol
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Omega Hunter posted...

"If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts" - Camille Paglia

Virtually everything that humans have ever accomplished, invented, built, conquered, discovered, and created has been done by men. I do not believe this is a result of "patriarchy". If you think men and women are equally capable on either planes of intelligence or physicality you are willfully ignoring all evidence available which clearly points to the contrary. Women are equally valuable to men, the role of mother is of the utmost importance, but they are nowhere near equally capable and every shred of evidence bears that out. Look at the record books, look at sports, look at the history books, look at Nobel prizes, look at chess champions. In any field of competence or competition men are invariably the most competent and win the competition.

It's funny that I do see a lot of truth in this. In reality I only asked this as I was previously in a Master slave relationship and my Master was adamant that men were of course much better when it comes to anything productive, and women were more for nurture and comfort, empathy and pleasure. After many years of being under that and having no rights, freedoms or free will it has been super hard for me to shake that mentality, Interesting enough it seems like a large amount of people share his views which I hate to admit are still my views as well.

Yes, they are. However CE is full of people who think men and women being equal makes you a man hating radical feminist
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

"If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts" - Camille Paglia

Virtually everything that humans have ever accomplished, invented, built, conquered, discovered, and created has been done by men. I do not believe this is a result of "patriarchy". If you think men and women are equally capable on either planes of intelligence or physicality you are willfully ignoring all evidence available which clearly points to the contrary. Women are equally valuable to men, the role of mother is of the utmost importance, but they are nowhere near equally capable and every shred of evidence bears that out. Look at the record books, look at sports, look at the history books, look at Nobel prizes, look at chess champions. In any field of competence or competition men are invariably the most competent and win the competition.

"'\look at how a male dominant society has had a history of male dominance.
I don't think its a result of the patriarchy"

lol

The problem is that you pre suppose that male dominance arose from something other than competence.

Society became male dominated in large part because men proved themselves more CAPABLE.
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TeaMilk posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

Girls have better boobs

guy boobs are pretty cute tho tbh

Ew fat glorification

Girls and guys are equal, why its even a question

It doesn't really matter, so yeah, I guess.
Of course, this heavily dependent on locale.

One vote for girls being superior?
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Amazon_Shampoo posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

"If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts" - Camille Paglia

Virtually everything that humans have ever accomplished, invented, built, conquered, discovered, and created has been done by men. I do not believe this is a result of "patriarchy". If you think men and women are equally capable on either planes of intelligence or physicality you are willfully ignoring all evidence available which clearly points to the contrary. Women are equally valuable to men, the role of mother is of the utmost importance, but they are nowhere near equally capable and every shred of evidence bears that out. Look at the record books, look at sports, look at the history books, look at Nobel prizes, look at chess champions. In any field of competence or competition men are invariably the most competent and win the competition.

It's funny that I do see a lot of truth in this. In reality I only asked this as I was previously in a Master slave relationship and my Master was adamant that men were of course much better when it comes to anything productive, and women were more for nurture and comfort, empathy and pleasure. After many years of being under that and having no rights, freedoms or free will it has been super hard for me to shake that mentality, Interesting enough it seems like a large amount of people share his views which I hate to admit are still my views as well.

Those views are wrong
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There are things girls are better than guys and vise versa
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Why did you close the poll after only 35 votes anyway, whats the point ??

vocedelmorte posted...

Why did you close the poll after only 35 votes anyway, whats the point ??

I had it open for an hour, I expected it to die out long before that time had even passed. I never expected any posts after that to be honest, it had fallen to the 5th page when I closed it.

Both have their advantages and disadvantages, but they're not "equal" in every way.

Neither one is overall superior.

vocedelmorte posted...

Why did you close the poll after only 35 votes anyway, whats the point ??

That's when they saw the results they wanted.
#p-hackinggamefaqssurveys
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COVxy posted...

vocedelmorte posted...

Why did you close the poll after only 35 votes anyway, whats the point ??

That's when they saw the results they wanted.
#p-hackinggamefaqssurveys

Na, I was honestly hoping for equal to be as biased as I could be, was a little sad to see so much lean in one direction.

People who voted 'guys are superior' is the reason why feminism existence even justfified. Sad if you really think this way and only proves your beta status

Omega Hunter posted...

The problem is that you pre suppose that male dominance arose from something other than competence.

Society became male dominated in large part because men proved themselves more CAPABLE.

No because they were physically stronger.

I mean physically capable sure.

But going "The only reason men dominated arts, politics, design, engineering, farming etc for 40,000 is because they are so great. Not because women were ignored, enducated, enslaved or at best not taken seriously." is crazy.

At the time of some of the greatest discovries and inventions in history were taking place, women were still being considered property.

We see that in today's society alone, where things are still not equal and yet pick any field in any first world nation that isn't determined by physical strength (IE sport, bouncing etc) and you'll see women doing it just as competently as men.

It would be pretty much unheard of now to walk into an American office and not see a woman somewhere.

You think something dramatically changed in the past 100 years other than women finally got a chance to do shit? If so, what do you think suddenly happened to catapult the ability of women?

That's a weird claim, especially to just handwave the patriachy. Even hardcore MRAs wouldn't make such a claim.

What do you think would happened if 1-3,000 years ago a woman proposed an architectural plan for a building? And while you refuse to answer that, think about how she would have learned how to build such a plan in the first place.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

We see that in today's society alone, where things are still not equal and yet pick any field in any first world nation that isn't determined by physical strength (IE sport, bouncing etc) and you'll see women doing it just as competently as men.

You see at this point you are just making things up based on your feelings. Women are not doing everything that isnt sports just as competently as men. Look at the number of female chess grandmasters, look at the amount of women who have revolutionized technology, why hasn't there been a woman to create an iPhone, or a Google, or a Facebook, or a tesla, or an Amazon.com?

Look at the percentage of women that are CEOs. Look at this list of top 20 millenial entrepeneurs and you find 17 are men and the 3 women that are on that list, 2 are on it for makeup, and 1 is on it for fashion.

https://www.inc.com/rahul-varshneya/top-20-most-influential-millennial-entrepreneurs.html

The reason men create literally everything that humanity has created and continue to do so to this day even when women have all the opportunities men have is because women do not go where humanity hasn't gone before. They simply do not ever do it, it is always men to create that which has not yet existed. There is something about that level of ambition l, of vision, of drive, that seems to be largely absent from the female gender. Everyone loves to reason this away eith "patriarchy" but I am not buying it.

When I was a kid the boys were digging holes in the backyard and adventuring into the woods behind the abandoned house. The girls were playing with dolls. People love to perpetuate the myth that society made boys that way and girls that way but the science is in. You put a newborn baby in a room with a doll and a truck boys go play with the truck girls play with the doll. It's a scientific fact that men are more interested in things and ideas, women are more interested in people. There is something intrinsic in men that drive them to explore to build to invent to create to go where no one has gone before to be industrious. Women don't have that same tick and its not because men won't let them.
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No. Courts side with women in custody hearings and divorce settlements, by default. No reason given.
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Omega Hunter posted...

You see at this point you are just making things up based on your feelings. Women are not doing everything that isnt sports just as competently as men. Look at the number of female chess grandmasters,

Chess is a sport

look at the amount of women who have revolutionized technology, why hasn't there been a woman to create an iPhone, or a Google, or a Facebook, or a tesla, or an Amazon.com?

You're switching horses, you're changing your argument from "Women aren't capable unlike superior men" to "Men are in charge of and invent more things."

And yeah the patriachy explains that. If you want to dispute it, you need to dispute it. Not go "No its wrong because I say so."

Omega Hunter posted...

The reason men create literally everything that humanity has created and continue to do so to this day even when women have all the opportunities men have is because women do not go where humanity hasn't gone before.

WTF

You acknowledge that women only just now have equal opportunities (Which still a highly debatable statemtn) and yet still argue that history is male dominated because men are more capable?

Even your own argument disproves your orignal point.

And still, that's a poor argument. You're going "Men were in power for 40,000 years and positioned a society with men in high places, women have had some oppotunity for about 100 years, and maybe equality for about 30/40. How come they are not produing equal breakthroughs now!?" and then pretending the question doesn't answer itself.

And speaking of questions, you dodged mine as I predicted you would.


What do you think would happened if 1-3,000 years ago a woman proposed an architectural plan for a building? And while you refuse to answer that, think about how she would have learned how to build such a plan in the first place.

"A chick didn't invent Amazon.com!" is not an answer to that.

Omega Hunter posted...

When I was a kid the boys were digging holes in the backyard and adventuring into the woods behind the abandoned house. The girls were playing with dolls. People love to perpetuate the myth that society made boys that way and girls that way but the science is in.

Dolls have only been around as toys for a few hundred years and only mass produced as every day items for 100. A lot of nations and socities don't even use them.

How is that science?

You put a newborn baby in a room with a doll and a truck boys go play with the truck girls play with the doll.

Da fuck

A newborn baby wouldn't even play with it's own fingers....
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Chess is a sport

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EndOfDiscOne posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Chess is a sport

It's a completely mental competition and Men dominate women at it.

Ergo women cannot compete with men.

It's a simple statement I am making here men are more capable and more competent then women as a gender all of the evidence supports this statement. The burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.

If you want to see the entire women are equal to men argument dismantled simply watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Yn3i-DMKw" data-time="&start=22
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Imagine taking Omega Hunter seriously as a poster.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

What do you think would happened if 1-3,000 years ago a woman proposed an architectural plan for a building? And while you refuse to answer that, think about how she would have learned how to build such a plan in the first place.

I think if an architectural plan for a building was put forward by a woman and she explained it articulately and how it was as good or better then the current common architecture people would have given it a shot. But hypotheticals prove nothing so I'm not sure what the point of this exercise is.
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Equal at what?
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