Poll of the Day > Rate my thrift store DVDs

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Suburban Commando
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103003/

Thor: Ragnarok
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3501632/

Suburban Commando is a movie I enjoyed as a brat, so had to grab that purely for nostalgia. Thor: Ragnarok isn't one I've seen yet since I still don't have a local movie theatre after the 2016 quake and no movie is worth three plus hours of public transport and probably more spent there than on the movie.
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2/10

Buying DVDs in 2018.... automatic -1/10

It's time to upgrade to HD. It's 2018. Heck, you would be better off buying it digitally than buying a DVD in 2018.

Hey deltabladex, can we go thrift shopping?

What what what what. What what what what

I found and bought two PSP games at the thrift store couple of days ago.

2 bucks each and they are complete with game case and manual. Pac Man rally racing and Ape escape on the loose. They work right too which is a plus. I'm not a big fan of racing games but it's a Pac man themed racing game anyway

rogerskg1979 posted...

Buying DVDs in 2018.... automatic -1/10

It's time to upgrade to HD. It's 2018. Heck, you would be better off buying it digitally than buying a DVD in 2018.

DVD's are way cheaper.

DVDs are still better anyway.

Plus there are older dvds that are loaded with bonus features while some blu rays mostly don't.

Old Ultimate Edition dvd of Terminator 2 is still the best.

Period.

Even the dvd for Terminator 1 has more bonus features than the stupid blu Ray.

during my DVD buying days i accumulated a large collection (a whole bookcase full) but i don't seem to watch them as much anymore plus i lost a few valued DVD's during a move (futurama season 1 and the lovely bones).

some of them don't work as well anymore (viva la bam). the age is getting to them. had them for well over 7 years or more.
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Yeah well I still have dvds since 2002 and 2003 and they're in great shape and I still watch them . I got Krull and Sam Raimi Spider man and others that are older than your "7" year old dvds.

At least I know how to take care of my stuff

he gots me, i lend out my DVD's quite alot but i'm still at fault because it's my stuff.
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WizardofHoth posted...

Yeah well I still have dvds since 2002 and 2003 and they're in great shape and I still watch them . I got Krull and Sam Raimi Spider man and others that are older than your "7" year old dvds.

At least I know how to take care of my stuff

It's not as simple as taking care of your stuff. "DVD rot" (and before that was "CD rot") is a real thing. Basically the glue that holds the layers of the DVD together will erode over time, and eventually the DVD becomes unplayable. It doesn't matter how well you take care of your DVD, you cannot stop the glue from eroding over time. I take care of my DVDs, and I still have had some that have died due to DVD rot.

It's not a matter of if. It's a matter of when. Nothing lasts forever. Everything dies. Even DVDs.

Suburban Commando was great, tbh. And Thor: Rag is among my fave MCU films at this point.

As for my thrift store DVDs, offhand I think within the past few weeks I've picked up:

Batman: The Animated Series volume 1 (paid $4 -- most of the rest is $1 or $2)
Catch Me If You Can (only paid 50-cents)
Life on Mars
Trading Places

Finding the show Life On Mars (which is about a detective who wakes up in the past) was neat because I had watched most of it on NFI but missed the ending before it went off streaming before I finished it. It's a shorter series and something I'd wanted to eventually re-watch anyway. In fact, *most* DVD purchases are things I've seen or, at least, seen part of it (some Disney movies and comic book films being obvious exceptions)

DPsx7 posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

Buying DVDs in 2018.... automatic -1/10

It's time to upgrade to HD. It's 2018. Heck, you would be better off buying it digitally than buying a DVD in 2018.

DVD's are way cheaper.

This so hard. The bulk of my movie DVDs I've only paid a buck or two for. TV series have ranged from $1 to $4 usually.

Only downside is storage since I like saving the cases >_> That and potentially buying duplicates.

rogerskg1979 posted...

It's not as simple as taking care of your stuff. "DVD rot" (and before that was "CD rot") is a real thing. Basically the glue that holds the layers of the DVD together will erode over time, and eventually the DVD becomes unplayable. It doesn't matter how well you take care of your DVD, you cannot stop the glue from eroding over time. I take care of my DVDs, and I still have had some that have died due to DVD rot.

Have yet to see that happen to anything I own. Is it a matter of over-use? Age? Storage?
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Zeus posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

It's not as simple as taking care of your stuff. "DVD rot" (and before that was "CD rot") is a real thing. Basically the glue that holds the layers of the DVD together will erode over time, and eventually the DVD becomes unplayable. It doesn't matter how well you take care of your DVD, you cannot stop the glue from eroding over time. I take care of my DVDs, and I still have had some that have died due to DVD rot.

Have yet to see that happen to anything I own. Is it a matter of over-use? Age? Storage?

Age and storage are the usual culprits, although other things like water/heat/chemical damage could exacerbate the effects. Usage probably isn't much of an issue with DVDs, they don't normally spin all that fast compared to CDs. Most of their speed just comes from data density. Some of the faster CD drives of years gone by could actually reach (or totally obliterate, in some cases) the physical limitations of the disc.

So called "rot" has not happened to any of my DVDS even the ones I still have since 2002 and 2003.

Like I said, I know how to take good care of my stuff for music CDs and movies for DVD and videogames for Playstation, PSP, and Gamecube.

Its other people that I cant stand where when I try to buy an old game from them from amazon or ebay they are the ones where they send me messed up game cds that barely work.

Other people need to learn to take better care by not scratching them on purpose etc.

also keep the damn games intact such as game case, manuals.

Id appreciate if people would stop throwing away game cases etc.

WizardofHoth posted...

So called "rot" has not happened to any of my DVDS even the ones I still have since 2002 and 2003.

Had it happen to PS1 games and even a PS2 game (Ratchet Gladiator), and I look after my games.

rogerskg1979 posted...

Buying DVDs in 2018.... automatic -1/10

It's time to upgrade to HD. It's 2018. Heck, you would be better off buying it digitally than buying a DVD in 2018.

Eww, digital. Even if I wanted to, most of those companies don't bother with my country. Even the Sony digital movie service through PSN isn't available here.

As for picking DVDs over Blu Ray, I bought these at a thrift store. I can't decide to just pick up the Blu Ray versions instead, it is a case of what they have and nothing more. I've picked up Blu Rays there before, but a lot less of them, more people get rid of their DVDs instead after all.

Zeus posted...

Suburban Commando was great, tbh.

Sweet, someone else remembers that movie. :D

Zeus posted...

Finding the show Life On Mars (which is about a detective who wakes up in the past) was neat because I had watched most of it on NFI but missed the ending before it went off streaming before I finished it. It's a shorter series and something I'd wanted to eventually re-watch anyway.

Nice. Never saw much of that, but I remember it. Seemed good.
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Bah, you're a looney. Disc rot is a fairy tale used to scare people into buying inferior digital goods. I have carts that are 30 years old and disc games nearing 20. Plenty of CD's too. None of them are going bad. While I agree nothing lasts forever, these items with minimal care are going to last for decades.

Red_Frog posted...

Some of the faster CD drives of years gone by could actually reach (or totally obliterate, in some cases) the physical limitations of the disc.

I remember one time in the early 2000s I was playing a PC game, and all of a sudden I heard this really loud explosion. It seriously sounded like a bomb going off it was so loud. I literally even got up and looked out the window to see if something had happened outside.

Then my game stopped working and said to insert the disc. I was like, "What? The disc is already in the drive." I opened the drive, and the disc had literally exploded into a million pieces.

I only ever had that happen that one time, but I remember it being a holy shit moment because I seriously thought a bomb had gone off outside. It was just my CD exploding in the drive though. That was so crazy.

DPsx7 posted...

Bah, you're a looney. Disc rot is a fairy tale used to scare people into buying inferior digital goods. I have carts that are 30 years old and disc games nearing 20. Plenty of CD's too. None of them are going bad. While I agree nothing lasts forever, these items with minimal care are going to last for decades.

Disc rot is not a fairy tale at all. Just because it has not happened to you doesn't mean it can't or won't happen. That's like saying cancer is a fairy tale because you have never had cancer.

How often do you actually check all your discs? I do mean ALL of them. Most people with really old discs don't check them all that often and don't check them all either. If you have 1,000+ discs, it's fairly safe to bet that at least a few of them will have rotted and you may not even know if since you haven't checked them in years.

DPsx7 posted...

>Disc rot is a fairy tale used to scare people into buying inferior digital goods. I have carts that are 30 years old and disc games nearing 20. Plenty of CD's too. None of them are going bad. While I agree nothing lasts forever, these items with minimal care are going to last for decades.

tbh, googled it to learn a bit more and discovered that DVDs have a projected 20-200 lifespan. I'm still a little surprised that they can wear at all, considering that they require physical contact to be read (well, other than the part being spun)

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2008/may/08/howlongshouldadvdlast

While I know nothing lasts forever, it's still a little disappointing. Of course, given that nature of digital distribution, it's possible that DVDs will outlast DD platforms. With a potential 200 year lifespan, they should at least outlive their users.

rogerskg1979 posted...

Red_Frog posted...

Some of the faster CD drives of years gone by could actually reach (or totally obliterate, in some cases) the physical limitations of the disc.

I remember one time in the early 2000s I was playing a PC game, and all of a sudden I heard this really loud explosion. It seriously sounded like a bomb going off it was so loud. I literally even got up and looked out the window to see if something had happened outside.

Then my game stopped working and said to insert the disc. I was like, "What? The disc is already in the drive." I opened the drive, and the disc had literally exploded into a million pieces.

I only ever had that happen that one time, but I remember it being a holy shit moment because I seriously thought a bomb had gone off outside. It was just my CD exploding in the drive though. That was so crazy.

Was it as scary as that time hot soda cans exploded in your car and it sounded like gunshots? =p

rogerskg1979 posted...

Disc rot is not a fairy tale at all. Just because it has not happened to you doesn't mean it can't or won't happen. That's like saying cancer is a fairy tale because you have never had cancer.

That's almost an offensively bad analogy Oo
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Zeus posted...

tbh, googled it to learn a bit more and discovered that DVDs have a projected 20-200 lifespan. I'm still a little surprised that they can wear at all, considering that they require physical contact to be read (well, other than the part being spun)

20-200 year lifespan is so laughably broad. It's like saying the human lifespan is 10-100 years.

I don't even know how they could come up with a 200 lifespan since DVDs haven't been around anywhere close to that. The oldest DVDs are like 30 years old, so how could you possibly know that they may last another 170 years? Do they have a time machine that allows them to go 200 years in the future to confirm that there will still be working DVDs 200 years from now?

Regarding the physical contact part of your post, the layers of DVDs are held together by glue. Glue is going to deteriorate over time regardless of whether or not you actually use the DVD. I really doubt there is any glue in the world that is going to hold together for 200 years. That would be some super strong glue. lol

Thinking about this in reverse, 200 years ago was the year 1818. Is there anything built in 1818 that still works today?

rogerskg1979 posted...

20-200 year lifespan is so laughably broad. It's like saying the human lifespan is 10-100 years.

Given that natural failures are absurdly unlikely early on -- the same as human deaths -- it's probably not the worst of parallels although natural DVD failures are probably rarer than natural human deaths during the earlier portion of the time-frame. A lot of the failures are more likely just care issues.

rogerskg1979 posted...

I don't even know how they could come up with a 200 lifespan since DVDs haven't been around anywhere close to that. The oldest DVDs are like 30 years old, so how could you possibly know that they may last another 170 years? Do they have a time machine that allows them to go 200 years in the future to confirm that there will still be working DVDs 200 years from now?

Projections, mostly. They could last even longer under optimal conditions. You don't need to wait for a thing to finish to get a good idea of how long it might last, tbh. You've got knowledge of the composition materials, various kinds of stress tests, and so on.

rogerskg1979 posted...

Thinking about this in reverse, 200 years ago was the year 1818. Is there anything built in 1818 that still works today?

Kind of an insincere comparison, given that the technology itself has changed in that time so something that made a lot of sense in 1818 has no purpose today. However, cannons, pistols, etc, still work assuming that they've been maintained. And, if you go really basic, there are swords from a thousand years ago which are still in usable condition since they've been upkept.
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rogerskg1979 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Bah, you're a looney. Disc rot is a fairy tale used to scare people into buying inferior digital goods. I have carts that are 30 years old and disc games nearing 20. Plenty of CD's too. None of them are going bad. While I agree nothing lasts forever, these items with minimal care are going to last for decades.

Disc rot is not a fairy tale at all. Just because it has not happened to you doesn't mean it can't or won't happen. That's like saying cancer is a fairy tale because you have never had cancer.

How often do you actually check all your discs? I do mean ALL of them. Most people with really old discs don't check them all that often and don't check them all either. If you have 1,000+ discs, it's fairly safe to bet that at least a few of them will have rotted and you may not even know if since you haven't checked them in years.

Two totally different topics...

It is a fairy tale. A properly pressed disc (meaning you didn't pirate a bunch of games on cheap CDR's) will last way longer than you'll have a need for it.

Now what could be said is how you care for them or that they're being used in the machines they were designed for. Throwing a disc for PS1 speeds into a 50x PC drive isn't exactly the disc's fault.

I rotate through my CD's since that's all I use in the car. The games are mostly packed away because I'm busy with current gen stuff but when I had everything out for pics or to reorganize, they were fine. They don't just go bad all of a sudden, and certainly not this soon.

rogerskg1979 posted...

Zeus posted...

tbh, googled it to learn a bit more and discovered that DVDs have a projected 20-200 lifespan. I'm still a little surprised that they can wear at all, considering that they require physical contact to be read (well, other than the part being spun)

20-200 year lifespan is so laughably broad. It's like saying the human lifespan is 10-100 years.

I don't even know how they could come up with a 200 lifespan since DVDs haven't been around anywhere close to that. The oldest DVDs are like 30 years old, so how could you possibly know that they may last another 170 years? Do they have a time machine that allows them to go 200 years in the future to confirm that there will still be working DVDs 200 years from now?

Regarding the physical contact part of your post, the layers of DVDs are held together by glue. Glue is going to deteriorate over time regardless of whether or not you actually use the DVD. I really doubt there is any glue in the world that is going to hold together for 200 years. That would be some super strong glue. lol

Thinking about this in reverse, 200 years ago was the year 1818. Is there anything built in 1818 that still works today?

It's like you're scratching for excuses. Of course we haven't tested how long plastics will actually last but it's not like we're seeing them degrade so fast that 100+ years is an unreasonable guess. I mean vinyl records are maybe twice as old and they're still in use.

This isn't Elmer's glue. What's more is there's no stress on the glue to pull it apart. Optical discs don't require physical contact. The glue holds the layers together but the force from spinning is on a different plane. That's all on the spindle and the disc.

Well duh, what kind of answer do you expect? They didn't have electronics back then and there are standing structures that are centuries old.

That and styrofoam is projected to take like a thousand years to degrade. Nobody's sat around with a pocketwatch counting that >_>
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DPsx7 posted...

I had everything out for pics or to reorganize, they were fine. They don't just go bad all of a sudden, and certainly not this soon

so you know what to look for?

you tested them to make sure they worked?

no?

yeah.

your other post up there makes it sound like it's because the glue just falls apart from wear

that's not what it is. that doesn't do anything to cause or prevent disc rot.

disc rot is literally what its name is: rot. the glue literally starts rotting.

Hard_Light posted...

DPsx7 posted...

I had everything out for pics or to reorganize, they were fine. They don't just go bad all of a sudden, and certainly not this soon

so you know what to look for?

you tested them to make sure they worked?

no?

yeah.

your other post up there makes it sound like it's because the glue just falls apart from wear

that's not what it is. that doesn't do anything to cause or prevent disc rot.

disc rot is literally what its name is: rot. the glue literally starts rotting.

Ugh. If you don't get it then don't bother. The glue has nothing to do with discs exploding. It's just there to hold the layers. The plastic and the data is still intact. Usage does not put stress on the glue. Moral of the story is if you had a disc break then there was some other defect involved. Or negligence if it got brittle from laying in the sun or if a dog gnawed on it.

you have literally posted nothing in regards to that dudes disc exploding. that dudes disc exploding is unrelated to disc rot, probably you should actually read the posts.

there's nothing to "not get".

Yeah, discs exploding has nothing to do with disc rot.

My disc exploded because it was spinning too fast in the CD-drive. This does happen, although it is rare. Mythbusters even did an episode about this and proved that it can happen.

Disc rot is real too, and there are numerous stories and articles about it. I guess some people just want to live in denial because ignorance is bliss though.

Things do break, no matter how well you take care of them. To imply that I don't take care of my discs is quite frankly rather insulting. I take very good care of my discs.

Apparently you slacked off on at least one. But you keep convincing yourself it was disc rot. Lol.

Some people will believe anything. Numerous stories he says...

If other people that dump off their old sports games at a thrift store or something, use common sense or be decent

-stop being rough with the game discs. My major pet peeve

-keep everything together in shape. Not just the game discs, also the game case and manuals

I and others would appreciate it