Current Events > Al Gore - "We are gonna win this. We are gonna prevail." (climate chg)

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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 9:32:13 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVfgkFaswn4" data-time="


If the immensely positive news from this video doesn't make the hairs on your arms and butthole stand out, you should reevaluate whether or not you've been indoctrinated into a sort of religious negativity towards our chances of solving climate change.

The trends are overwhelmingly positive. Immense and vast swaths of private capital investment are flooding into the renewables sector as we type. Renewable energy is currently the "largest new business opportunity in the history of the world." And we've enormously surpassed the old projections for where we'd be with our adoption rate of renewable energy technology.

Mark my words, we will solve climate change in the next decade!
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iPhone_7
07/16/18 9:34:22 PM
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Al claims he created the internet Gore.
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Doom_Art
07/16/18 9:35:23 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Immense and vast swaths of private capital investment are flooding into the renewables sector

No thanks to the current President

FLUFFYGERM posted...
Renewable energy is currently the "largest new business opportunity in the history of the world."

"But let's prop up coal instead!" - Trump admin
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Darkraiomb
07/16/18 9:35:23 PM
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Too long; didn't watch. Is TC being cereal?
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Esrac
07/16/18 9:36:30 PM
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Darkraiomb posted...
Too long; didn't watch. Is TC being cereal?


Super cereal.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 9:37:48 PM
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Why is Doom_Art polluting this topic with shit about Trump?
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bevan306
07/16/18 9:37:53 PM
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what does this have to do with communism
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jumi
07/16/18 9:38:59 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
Al claims he created the internet Gore.


He never said that.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 9:40:58 PM
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bevan306 posted...
what does this have to do with communism


I mean I know you're joking, but it does relate to communism!

Some Marxists have been advocating that we deindustrialize and go back to an agricultural way of life in order to save the planet from global warming. They insist that nothing can be done, that it is too late to change our ways, that technology won't save us, etc, and that the ONLY way for us to survive as a species is to stop burning any carbon NOW and to live simpler "happier" lives.

In reality, they are completely wrong (as usual). The technology will save us and there is a clearly defined path to success. That path doesn't necessitate deinustrialization and going back to a deprecated agricultural model of living.

The real reason Marxists try to leverage global warming fear in this way is because they know that their economic model results in only one thing - deep poverty and rampant starvation. So instead of just admitting this and moving to a more informed 21st century economics model, they cling to their religion and hide behind global warming as an excuse for why implementing Marxism has to necessarily collapse our global economy into a subsistence-level existence. Rather than say "yeah, Marxism does necessarily entail that we commit to a far simpler and deprecated lifestyle" they just say "we have to do this because of global warming"
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ImTheMacheteGuy
07/16/18 9:44:08 PM
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>Trump being made to look like a c***
>Deflects to hillary... actually obama... actually... fucking... literally... al gore.
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southcoast09
07/16/18 9:46:08 PM
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Does this guy still believe all that climate change crap?
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bevan306
07/16/18 9:46:19 PM
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I'm impressed with the promptness of your reply
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 9:52:06 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
Does this guy still believe all that climate change crap?


Only a clown would argue that there is no side effect to filling the atmosphere with chemicals and emissions/byproducts of burning fossil fuel.
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nicklebro
07/16/18 9:59:30 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
I know literally zero Marxists who advocate reverting to a subsistence-based way of life.

Well that proves they don't exist then.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 10:00:16 PM
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@Godnorgosh posted...
I know literally zero Marxists who advocate reverting to a subsistence-based way of life.


Yeah you do. You once tried to peddle that horse shit to @RebelElite791, linking to someone who basically said exactly what I said in my post.

https://imgur.com/a/okY1u5M
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ASithLord7
07/16/18 10:09:50 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
@Godnorgosh posted...
I know literally zero Marxists who advocate reverting to a subsistence-based way of life.


Yeah you do. You once tried to peddle that horse shit to @RebelElite791, linking to someone who basically said exactly what I said in my post.

https://imgur.com/a/okY1u5M

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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 10:10:36 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
nicklebro posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
I know literally zero Marxists who advocate reverting to a subsistence-based way of life.

Well that proves they don't exist then.


It's not that self-avowed Marxists who advocate primitivism don't exist. It's just that they're not significant. Marx and Engels acknowledged primitive communism, of course, but recognized that their communism is the communism that follows the capitalist mode of production, not what came before it.


Translation - "Waffle waffle, Marx Marx, they're not significant to me when it'd be inconvenient to my narrative, therefore they're not significant waffle Marx waffle Marx"
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 10:12:57 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
@Godnorgosh posted...
I know literally zero Marxists who advocate reverting to a subsistence-based way of life.


Yeah you do. You once tried to peddle that horse shit to @RebelElite791, linking to someone who basically said exactly what I said in my post.

https://imgur.com/a/okY1u5M


What does the relationship between veganism and capitalism have to do with primitivism? Abstaining from meat products and living in an agrarian society are not the same things. But there's no problem with admitting that you didn't actually watch or understand the video tho


I did watch the video, and actually that exact topic came to mind as I was typing my response to bevan. Just take the L brother, at least have some respect to not doubt whether or not I was able to endure that horse shit video. Her views are really close to what I described in post #10.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 10:17:17 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
ASithLord7 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
@Godnorgosh posted...
I know literally zero Marxists who advocate reverting to a subsistence-based way of life.


Yeah you do. You once tried to peddle that horse shit to @RebelElite791, linking to someone who basically said exactly what I said in my post.

https://imgur.com/a/okY1u5M

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You also admitted not having watched the video in that topic, and are now assuming (falsely) that it was about primitivism.


Actually, you and averagejoel were the only ones in that topic who ignored real evidence. Rebel tried to reason with you and he was around for the detailed discussion on the specific claims in the video you shared.
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WheezinEd
07/16/18 10:27:39 PM
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Literally who cares about global warming? A new ice age would do us some good.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 10:30:19 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
@Godnorgosh posted...
I know literally zero Marxists who advocate reverting to a subsistence-based way of life.


Yeah you do. You once tried to peddle that horse shit to @RebelElite791, linking to someone who basically said exactly what I said in my post.

https://imgur.com/a/okY1u5M


What does the relationship between veganism and capitalism have to do with primitivism? Abstaining from meat products and living in an agrarian society are not the same things. But there's no problem with admitting that you didn't actually watch or understand the video tho


I did watch the video, and actually that exact topic came to mind as I was typing my response to bevan. Just take the L brother, at least have some respect to not doubt whether or not I was able to endure that horse shit video. Her views are really close to what I described in post #10.


The video is about the ideological incompatibility of veganism and capitalism, and you're welcome to disagree with that claim, but it's not a video advocating primitive communism. So no, you take the L.


She's a literal communist (as evidenced by that video and other videos she has) and she does in fact espouse the things I said in post #10. Example at 6 minutes and 30 seconds in, seen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbAdVRNh0c8" data-time="&start=0


You're trying really hard to obfuscate but anyone who cares can just go look at the video themselves and see for themselves.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 10:31:31 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
I just called you out for being wrong about the content of the video, and now you're deflecting and vaguely claiming I ignored some nondescript evidence. Good job!


In that entire topic, you were making claims which were factually incorrect. You would ignore the evidence that was provided and you kept posting bullshit. You actually even posted a link that you thought agreed with you but that agreed with me instead lmao.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 10:44:19 PM
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Hahaha man that entire topic was so hilarious.

Ahhhhh. I can't wait until Godnorgosh gets a well-paying job once he gets his networking certifications. Then he'll start to realize how delusional Marxism makes 21st century people.
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sktgamer_13dude
07/16/18 11:03:46 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
@southcoast09 posted...
Does this guy still believe all that climate change crap?


Only a clown would argue that there is no side effect to filling the atmosphere with chemicals and emissions/byproducts of burning fossil fuel.

Answer the question.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 11:04:08 PM
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Those are some substantial levels of reach. It's pretty pathetic, dude. Sorry but like I said, anyone who is reasonable can just look at the video themselves. It's not a secret that there are Marxists like the ones I described in post #10. You can obfuscate until tomorrow, but you're still going to have to accept the L sooner or later.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 11:18:44 PM
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Marxists are not even intelligible on matters of technology. And they couldn't be, being that the entirety of your belief system is based on a deprecated economic model from the 1800s.

There was no revolution and there won't ever be a revolution. There can't be. There's no reason for one to happen. Twenty years ago, only the elite and the powerful had access to supercomputing. Now, anyone can read about supercomputing for free online and then spin up supercomputing clusters within minutes for virtually no cost thanks to services like AWS and Azure and Google Cloud and Digital Ocean and etc.

Renewable energy is more affordable than ever and the costs will just keep plummeting. The same is true of electric and autonomous vehicles. And the future innovations in healthcare. Every trend we see is that technology is expanding access and reducing costs at a break neck speed sans any bloody revolution or "worker control of technology." This "worker control" maxim is just religious dogma that you've heard so many times that it begins to feel right. Like when the preacher says shit about how people are inherently sinful because of Original Sin.

It is delusional and dishonest to peddle the Marxist beliefs you have in 2018, and to insist that when people spank those beliefs they're just tearing down strawpeople.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 11:30:03 PM
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What on God's green earth are you blabbering on about now, Godnorgosh?

It literally does not matter if someone leverages automation to accumulate profit/capital. What matters is that the marginal cost of doing business decreases. Which means that prices can and will decrease. So the consumer gets the same or better standard of living for a reduced cost over time.

That is literally the legacy of capitalism over the last 150 years, and it's a wonderful legacy to look at and to endorse.

You're no different than the Luddites that would've complained about washing machines supplanting the people who washed clothes manually for a living back when washing clothes took someone 11 hours per week on average.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
07/16/18 11:32:26 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
God's green earth


No waaaasasayyyyyyy
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DrizztLink
07/16/18 11:33:32 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
@southcoast09 posted...
Does this guy still believe all that climate change crap?


Only a clown would argue that there is no side effect to filling the atmosphere with chemicals and emissions/byproducts of burning fossil fuel.

Answer the question.

It's a pretty stupid question, considering how obviously he does.

also he's right but lolcoast is a clown so no point trying to talk to him
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 11:36:05 PM
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Is this the part where Godnorgosh collapses and does an Antifar by quoting just snippets he feels are safe to quote? lmao
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 11:41:31 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
Yeah, it's great when things are cheap but you still have no way to pay for them.


This blind fixation on the subset of the population that is rapidly growing smaller with each passing decade is evidence of religious indoctrination.

There can't be any other explanation for why someone would let the perfect be the enemy of the great.

> "Abject poverty in Bangladesh is disappearing at breakneck speeds because people are starting businesses, because the solar panel installation rate there is the highest in the world, etc etc (bunch of other facts)" - reasonable empiricist

> "B-b-b-b-but da ppl who still can't buy anything!!!!1!1!1 We need MARX to save da poor!!!1!1!1!1!1" - Marxist
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Tyranthraxus
07/16/18 11:43:17 PM
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jumi posted...
iPhone_7 posted...
Al claims he created the internet Gore.


He never said that.

Al "I never claimed we created the internet" Gore
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 11:43:50 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
jumi posted...
iPhone_7 posted...
Al claims he created the internet Gore.


He never said that.

Al "I never claimed we created the internet" Gore


More blood on Bush's hands
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DrizztLink
07/16/18 11:43:51 PM
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You really need to cool it with the babytalk you give to your opponents.

It's disingenuous and just distracts from your point.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/16/18 11:44:53 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
I'm referring to the people displaced by automation, genius.


lmfao which people exactly? surely you have evidence to give alongside this blabbering.

you realize that automation isn't going to happen overnight right?
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