Current Events > Idris Elba playing James Bond = ok, Scar Jo playing a transgender = bad?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Only transgenders are allowed to act in transgender roles.
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The left having double standards?

No way!
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didn't she step down due to internet backlash?

there are a lot of people on the internet who would complain about Elba being cast for James Bond, too.
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isn't it accepted canon that james bond is just a code name and anyone can be james bond, similar to someone like Robin/spiderman?
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Le__seul_dieu__ posted...

isn't it accepted canon that james bond is just a code name and anyone can be james bond, similar to someone like Robin/spiderman?

No. It's a fan theory to explain why the actors change and why Bond doesn't get older. James Bond is the character's real name. 007 is the codename.
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Le__seul_dieu__ posted...

isn't it accepted canon that james bond is just a code name and anyone can be james bond, similar to someone like Robin/spiderman?

That would be cool.
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This is a monumentally not so intelligent topic
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Southernfatman posted...

It's a fan theory to explain why the actors change and why Bond doesn't get older.

People really over think this shit?

They dont get that its the character is the same dude just different interpretations and moving along with current times?

toyota posted...

They dont get that its the character is the same dude just different interpretations and moving along with current times?

In what way does "current times" = James Bond being black.

toyota posted...

Southernfatman posted...

It's a fan theory to explain why the actors change and why Bond doesn't get older.

People really over think this shit?

They dont get that its the character is the same dude just different interpretations and moving along with current times?

Yes. Some people over analyze things and feel the need for explanations that make sense. It's kinda starting to bother me at this point. When people who aren't really fans ask about it I don't mind because they just aren't familiar with the series, but even some fans go along with the theory and there's plenty of information out there about his backstory. Hell just watching the movies proves the code name theory is bunk.

It's like saying Batman is really several people since he's been around since the 40's.
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ssj--- accounts posting a race topic? Must be a day that ends in y.
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scar the 1 posted...

This is a monumentally not so intelligent topic

ssj-kenobi posted...
well yeah
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Idris Elba is too good for Bond.

Bond is a fictional character whose race is not defined and ScarJo was set to play a real person

The person ScarJo was set to play was real.

James Bond is a fictional character.

/topic
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Le__seul_dieu__ posted...

isn't it accepted canon that james bond is just a code name and anyone can be james bond, similar to someone like Robin/spiderman?

No, it isn't. Like, not in any way, shape, or form.

If you actually watched the movies, you'd know that.
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mistalightbulb posted...

Bond is a fictional character whose race is not defined and ScarJo was set to play a real person

Read the books - Bond is white as fuck.
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mistalightbulb posted...

Bond is a fictional character whose race is not defined and ScarJo was set to play a real person

Zero_Destroyer posted...

The person ScarJo was set to play was real.

James Bond is a fictional character.

/topic

This.
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Dragon56 posted...

Idris Elba is too good for Bond.

Now, yes.

But the TC's point is also a bit a of a non-sequitur. It's even more ridiculous in a franchise where one of the characters, M, largely assumed to be a man for most of the novels and movies, was suddenly cast as Judi Dench in the late nineties with no plot explanation or anything acknowledging the role was now female. Now Judi's performance is the iconic performance of the role.
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Le__seul_dieu__ posted...

isn't it accepted canon that james bond is just a code name and anyone can be james bond, similar to someone like Robin/spiderman?

No and it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Several different Bonds have Tracy referred to and in skyfall Bonds' parents grades are shown.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

The person ScarJo was set to play was real.

James Bond is a fictional character.

/topic

But people also got mad at her for playing a cyborg that was Japanese in the old version
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darkjedilink posted...

No, it isn't. Like, not in any way, shape, or form.

If you actually watched the movies, you'd know that.

But all the Bonds are clearly not the same person from a distinguishable timeline of events. It exists in a number of different continuities because it's a very old franchise. Ergo, Connery's Bond is not the same person as Craig's Bond as both take place in separate continuities.
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darkjedilink posted...

mistalightbulb posted...

Bond is a fictional character whose race is not defined and ScarJo was set to play a real person

Read the books - Bond is white as fuck.

I think the film version of James Bond has pretty much detached himself from the book version by this point. I guess you could still maybe argue James Bond is supposed to be white, but I personally don't think it's a big deal.
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hollow_shrine posted...

Dragon56 posted...

Idris Elba is too good for Bond.

Now, yes.

But the TC's point is also a bit a of a non-sequitur. It's even more ridiculous in a franchise where one of the characters, M, largely assumed to be a man for most of the novels and movies, was suddenly cast as Judi Dench in the late nineties with no plot explanation or anything acknowledging the role was now female. Now Judi's performance is the iconic performance of the role.

That's because Judi Dench is the single baddest bitch.
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eston posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

The person ScarJo was set to play was real.

James Bond is a fictional character.

/topic

But people also got mad at her for playing a cyborg that was Japanese in the old version

Almost no one got mad at that. Maybe a hundred people or so got mad. No one else gave a shit.
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eston posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

The person ScarJo was set to play was real.

James Bond is a fictional character.

/topic

But people also got mad at her for playing a cyborg that was Japanese in the old version

Not even Japanese, according to the creator, but American.
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LightHawKnight posted...

eston posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

The person ScarJo was set to play was real.

James Bond is a fictional character.

/topic

But people also got mad at her for playing a cyborg that was Japanese in the old version

Almost no one got mad at that. Maybe a hundred people or so got mad. No one else gave a shit.

On the contrary, I remember there being quite a bit of backlash over it
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I would be more bothered by Bond not being from the UK than his race, so I'd be fine with Elba.
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eston posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

eston posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

The person ScarJo was set to play was real.

James Bond is a fictional character.

/topic

But people also got mad at her for playing a cyborg that was Japanese in the old version

Almost no one got mad at that. Maybe a hundred people or so got mad. No one else gave a shit.

On the contrary, I remember there being quite a bit of backlash over it

No there was not. There is a reason why she still played the role. Some people complained, but most didn't give a shit.
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scar the 1 posted...

This is a monumentally not so intelligent topic

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LightHawKnight posted...

eston posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

The person ScarJo was set to play was real.

James Bond is a fictional character.

/topic

But people also got mad at her for playing a cyborg that was Japanese in the old version

Almost no one got mad at that.

Not sure what reality you are in but plenty people got mad here, in jornalism, and in Hollywood
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Hayame Zero posted...

I would be more bothered by Bond not being from the UK than his race, so I'd be fine with Elba.

Yeah I agree with that. I don't think his race is important, but he should be British. And he should also never suddenly become a woman.
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eston posted...

But people also got mad at her for playing a cyborg that was Japanese in the old version

I think that's fair. People said the same thing about there not being any notable Asian actresses who could play the role. They were wrong then. There are several actresses who could have held it down, but that even that misses the larger point, which is that the concern didn't even cross their mind.

Emma Stone got this for playing an Asian person in film too. And then there was that CG in Cloud Atlas they used to turn up the corners of Keanu Reaves's eyes to give his face asian features too. After those media kerfuffles, you'd think we'd have learned.
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LightHawKnight posted...

eston posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

eston posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

The person ScarJo was set to play was real.

James Bond is a fictional character.

/topic

But people also got mad at her for playing a cyborg that was Japanese in the old version

Almost no one got mad at that. Maybe a hundred people or so got mad. No one else gave a shit.

On the contrary, I remember there being quite a bit of backlash over it

No there was not. There is a reason why she still played the role. Some people complained, but most didn't give a shit.

I mean, we could go back and forth like this all day, but I remember it being a pretty big deal at the time. I don't think you repeating yourself is going to change my recollection
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darkjedilink posted...

Read the books - Bond is white as fuck.

Why does this matter? How is it important to his character? What makes him distinctly white, and have the traits that made him "distinctly white" carried over to the various film continuities? How is he unable to be black?
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"Race/gender shouldn't be emphasized. It should always be the best person for the part!"

"Every white superhero character and anyone associated with them who was white in the comics needs to stay white in movie adaptations. It's not right to change establish character aesthetics"
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Also, yes, there was a lot of backlash over ScarJo as Kusanagi. But I personally don't consider it much of an issue for the same reason that none of the race changing in Death Note mattered (where no characters afaik were the same as they were in the original - crypto-racists do love to focus on L being black and nobody else, though. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm)

It's because it takes place in an entirely separate continuity with a large number of changes to the source material that involve new plotlines/ideas or meshing things together from source materials.
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hollow_shrine posted...

But the TC's point is also a bit a of a non-sequitur. It's even more ridiculous in a franchise where one of the characters, M, largely assumed to be a man for most of the novels and movies, was suddenly cast as Judi Dench in the late nineties with no plot explanation or anything acknowledging the role was now female. Now Judi's performance is the iconic performance of the role.

M is a codename or position in MI6. They mention her "predecessor".

Zero_Destroyer posted...

But all the Bonds are clearly not the same person from a distinguishable timeline of events. It exists in a number of different continuities because it's a very old franchise. Ergo, Connery's Bond is not the same person as Craig's Bond as both take place in separate continuities.

The Daniel Craig Bond series is a reboot. He's the only one who is different. The rest are the same character. In On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Spoilers)

Bond gets married, but his wife is killed at the end of the film. His wife is mentioned in many other films during every actor's tenure as the character.

The Bond series is one of those things I'm real nerdy about. I just want to mention all this stuff cause I see misconceptions about the series a lot.
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eston posted...

I mean, we could go back and forth like this all day, but I remember it being a pretty big deal at the time. I don't think you repeating yourself is going to change my recollection

It was huge, it was getting major article coverage across the internet into basically every newspaper and even into print media magazines like Time. The studio even publicly blamed the movie's poor box office performance on the casting controversy.
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The Daniel Craig Bond series is a reboot. He's the only one who is different. The rest are the same character.

Then it's pretty well established that a reboot can occur. Change "various" continuities to "two" and the point stands.

The Bond series is one of those things I'm real nerdy about. I just want to mention all this stuff cause I see misconceptions about the series a lot.

Yeah, that's fair
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

The Daniel Craig Bond series is a reboot. He's the only one who is different. The rest are the same character.

Then it's pretty well established that a reboot can occur. Change "various" continuities to "two" and the point stands.

I wish they didn't reboot the series. I think it was fine as it was. I wish they'd just finish the DC films and somehow go back to the old loose continuity.

I'd rather he not be changed just to appease people who don't seem to be fans of the series anyway. It's almost like a meme now to have JB be black. Besides, studios don't really care about diversity and inclusiveness, they just do stuff like to be trendy and make money.

With that being said, I still don't care that much like other people seem to. I'd still go see a movie with a black James Bond. I'm just not a fan of race swapping of established characters any kind. I wouldn't want a white Shaft movie either.
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hollow_shrine posted...

The studio even publicly blamed the movie's poor box office performance on the casting controversy.

What's really silly about this is you can look at scene recreations from the 1995 film to the American variant and see how shitty it looks in comparison, and part of that is either -

-Because the people directing didn't know how to use color well

or

-The shots in the 95 movie are just better suited with animation

It failed because anime isn't a big moviegoing market (the demographic that likes anime probably doesn't go the movies much) and because Hollywood hires hack directors to do anime movies so they all turn out like shit. Same reason VG movies are all bad.

Studio can't accept that it produced shit and that'll mean they keep making the same mistake
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Le__seul_dieu__ posted...

isn't it accepted canon that james bond is just a code name and anyone can be james bond, similar to someone like Robin/spiderman?

No and it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Several different Bonds have Tracy referred to and in skyfall Bonds' parents grades are shown.

i don't watch or follow any of the james bond media. I just remember hearing that from some youtube video and though, "oh that makes sense"
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a black james bond wouldn't work because he'd spend the whole movie getting pulled over for driving an aston martin
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Honestly, reading in the article about how the real person was constantly misgendered it seems somewhat insulting to cast someone like ScarJo for the part, and downright baffling when you look at the pictures
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Southernfatman posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

The Daniel Craig Bond series is a reboot. He's the only one who is different. The rest are the same character.

Then it's pretty well established that a reboot can occur. Change "various" continuities to "two" and the point stands.

I wish they didn't reboot the series. I think it was fine as it was. I wish they'd just finish the DC films and somehow go back to the old loose continuity.

I'd rather he not be changed just to appease people who don't seem to be fans of the series anyway. It's almost like a meme now to have JB be black. Besides, studios don't really care about diversity and inclusiveness, they just do stuff like to be trendy and make money.

With that being said, I still don't care that much like other people seem to. I'd still go see a movie with a black James Bond. I'm just not a fan of race swapping of established characters any kind. I wouldn't want a white Shaft movie either.

I think it would be interesting if Bond returned to the Cold War. I don't see why entertainment these days always needs to reflect modern times.

I like the Craig films. Casino Royale and Skyfall were good enough to balance out how terrible the other two were. But I agree with you, it's time to let his run end.
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I don't get how people fail to see the issue here.
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