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Balrog0 07/09/18 4:35:00 PM #1:	rude/not being polite to political opponents I mean for my entire life people have been protesting planned parenthoods and been quite rude to women getting abortions (or even who aren't getting abortions but they are going to a place that does abortions) My position on that has always been it makes sense if you believe about abortion what those people believe about abortion. But when the shoe is on the other foot, the right triangulates and says stuff like, "you shouldn't be rude or yell at someone JUST BECAUSE of political disagreements, that's childish" the thing is, when its their politics, they understand that that not all political 'disagreements' are created equal and that sometimes there are ethical considerations that come into play probably both sides do this to some extent but this is the hypocrisy that I am seeing today so its what I'm talking about on ce --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:904774082] in its bizarr... [t:76791655]...</cite> <quote>rude/not being polite to political opponents I mean for my entire life people have been protesting planned parenthoods and been quite rude to women getting abortions (or even who aren't getting abortions but they are going to a place that does abortions) My position on that has always been it makes sense if you believe about abortion what those people believe about abortion. But when the shoe is on the other foot, the right triangulates and says stuff like, "you shouldn't be rude or yell at someone JUST BECAUSE of political disagreements, that's childish" the thing is, when its their politics, they understand that that not all political 'disagreements' are created equal and that sometimes there are ethical considerations that come into play probably both sides do this to some extent but this is the hypocrisy that I am seeing today so its what I'm talking about on ce</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 07/09/18 4:37:14 PM #2:	I don't necessarily disagree with you, but your original point about being rude to political opponents has nothing to do with people protesting outside of planned parenthood, since those offices and the people that work in them aren't politicians. EDIT: A better example might be people protesting outside a planned parenthood that doesn't do abortions versus people protesting outside of ICE offices that aren't on the border. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:904774224] in its bizarr... [t:76791655]...</cite> <quote>I don't necessarily disagree with you, but your original point about being rude to political opponents has nothing to do with people protesting outside of planned parenthood, since those offices and the people that work in them aren't politicians. EDIT: A better example might be people protesting outside a planned parenthood that doesn't do abortions versus people protesting outside of ICE offices that aren't on the border.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChiefSosa 07/09/18 4:38:14 PM #3:	s0nicfan posted... I don't necessarily disagree with you, but your original point about being rude to political opponents has nothing to do with people protesting outside of planned parenthood, since those offices and the people that work in them aren't politicians. <cite>ChiefSosa posted [p:904774286] in its bizarr... [t:76791655]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>I don't necessarily disagree with you, but your original point about being rude to political opponents has nothing to do with people protesting outside of planned parenthood, since those offices and the people that work in them aren't politicians.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/09/18 4:41:08 PM #4:	I mean, they deploy this rhetoric for everyone not just politicians or people who work for Trump. For instance, those girls that were wearing Trump hats on a college tour in D.C. were harassed and the conservatives defended them on this basis. At least, the conservatives in my personal orbit --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:904774488] in its bizarr... [t:76791655]...</cite> <quote>I mean, they deploy this rhetoric for everyone not just politicians or people who work for Trump. For instance, those girls that were wearing Trump hats on a college tour in D.C. were harassed and the conservatives defended them on this basis. At least, the conservatives in my personal orbit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/09/18 4:42:40 PM #5:	A more recent example would be that person who had his hat knocked off at the Whataburger. Same rhetoric there as for Sarah Sanders (I mean I personally would consider that a different kind of thing given what happened but this is an example I can scroll down and see people talking about on my feed this way lol) --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:904774582] in its bizarr... [t:76791655]...</cite> <quote>A more recent example would be that person who had his hat knocked off at the Whataburger. Same rhetoric there as for Sarah Sanders (I mean I personally would consider that a different kind of thing given what happened but this is an example I can scroll down and see people talking about on my feed this way lol)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KILBOTz 07/09/18 4:43:37 PM #6:	growing up any time democrats/liberals were brought up my dad called them idiots, morons, baby killers, un-American, godless commies, etc. After Trump election a couple of my dad's sisters were talking mad shit about republicans in the same vein that my dad has been doing for 30 years and my parent's are a bit pissed at my aunts now for being rude and block them on facebook. I called them out on it every time they complained but they think it is different when they are the ones being told they are bad for what they believe. --- https://imgur.com/O3syCWD https://imgur.com/k3YiBdG <cite>KILBOTz posted [p:904774624] in its bizarr... [t:76791655]...</cite> <quote>growing up any time democrats/liberals were brought up my dad called them idiots, morons, baby killers, un-American, godless commies, etc. After Trump election a couple of my dad's sisters were talking mad shit about republicans in the same vein that my dad has been doing for 30 years and my parent's are a bit pissed at my aunts now for being rude and block them on facebook. I called them out on it every time they complained but they think it is different when they are the ones being told they are bad for what they believe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 07/09/18 4:44:23 PM #7:	I'm not sure there are good analogues, though. The right has historically been awful at organized protests. A few old people will stand around with signs, but I honestly can't think of an example of the right going quite as HAM as the left has in the last few years with regards to actual harassment of normal people. Like... the scope and scale are just so radically different that you almost can't compare the two. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:904774682] in its bizarr... [t:76791655]...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure there are good analogues, though. The right has historically been awful at organized protests. A few old people will stand around with signs, but I honestly can't think of an example of the right going quite as HAM as the left has in the last few years with regards to actual harassment of normal people. Like... the scope and scale are just so radically different that you almost can't compare the two.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/09/18 4:44:31 PM #8:	the right is disrespectful the left is disrespectful when the right does it its bad for our politics when the left does it its bad for our politics no one wants to engage in dialogue anymore because the other side is disrespectful (which is true) so we're fucked gg Rog0 <cite>Romes187 posted [p:904774686] in its bizarr... [t:76791655]...</cite> <quote>the right is disrespectful the left is disrespectful when the right does it its bad for our politics when the left does it its bad for our politics no one wants to engage in dialogue anymore because the other side is disrespectful (which is true) so we're fucked gg Rog0</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/09/18 4:45:56 PM #9:	They kill people outside abortion clinics and follow doctors home and kill them there lol In more routine protests, they are just mean, just like the left is... It's not all old people, either. The kind of things they yell and write on their signs are also kind of personally insulting in a way that 'smash fascists' or whatever lefties are saying isn't at least imho --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:904774764] in its bizarr... [t:76791655]...</cite> <quote>They kill people outside abortion clinics and follow doctors home and kill them there lol In more routine protests, they are just mean, just like the left is... It's not all old people, either. The kind of things they yell and write on their signs are also kind of personally insulting in a way that 'smash fascists' or whatever lefties are saying isn't at least imho</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BWLurker 07/09/18 4:47:14 PM #10:	Anyone saying that who supports Trump is a fucking joke considering how he behaves toward political opponents on a daily basis. <cite>BWLurker posted [p:904774843] in its bizarr... [t:76791655]...</cite> <quote>Anyone saying that who supports Trump is a fucking joke considering how he behaves toward political opponents on a daily basis.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/09/18 4:49:17 PM #11:	s0nicfan posted... Like... the scope and scale are just so radically different that you almost can't compare the two. I agree with this, though, and there are other differences, too. I'm just saying that a general defense of respectability politics rings hollow to me unless you can square this circle -- for example, I can imagine the person who inspired this thread saying that it's different because people protesting outside planned parenthood aren't just opposing people who support abortions but the people who actually get them but that would just change the terms of when politics of respectability are appropriate, and that is almost entirely a circular argument from what I can tell anyway I am literally just typing my thoughts --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:904774966] in its bizarr... [t:76791655]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote> Like... the scope and scale are just so radically different that you almost can't compare the two. </quote> I agree with this, though, and there are other differences, too. I'm just saying that a general defense of respectability politics rings hollow to me unless you can square this circle -- for example, I can imagine the person who inspired this thread saying that it's different because people protesting outside planned parenthood aren't just opposing people who support abortions but the people who actually get them but that would just change the terms of when politics of respectability are appropriate, and that is almost entirely a circular argument from what I can tell anyway I am literally just typing my thoughts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bacon_Pancakes 07/09/18 4:52:40 PM #12:	I think that proponents on both sides of the political spectrum need to take a long look in the mirror before placing the blame for whatever problem on others. I think it's funny and sad at the same time, to be honest. Projecting at its finest and the complete lack of self-awareness on all sides is frightening beyond belief... Romes187 posted... no one wants to engage in dialogue anymore because the other side is disrespectful (which is true) so we're fucked This, too. It also doesn't help that both sides are attempting to dehumanize the other...It's disgusting. The world's turning to shit and we deserve it, tbh. <cite>Bacon_Pancakes posted [p:904775144] in its bizarr... [t:76791655]...</cite> <quote>I think that proponents on both sides of the political spectrum need to take a long look in the mirror before placing the blame for whatever problem on others. I think it's funny and sad at the same time, to be honest. Projecting at its finest and the complete lack of self-awareness on all sides is frightening beyond belief... <cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>no one wants to engage in dialogue anymore because the other side is disrespectful (which is true) so we're fucked</quote> This, too. It also doesn't help that both sides are attempting to dehumanize the other...It's disgusting. The world's turning to shit and we deserve it, tbh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 07/09/18 4:53:08 PM #13:	Balrog0 posted... s0nicfan posted... Like... the scope and scale are just so radically different that you almost can't compare the two. I agree with this, though, and there are other differences, too. I'm just saying that a general defense of respectability politics rings hollow to me unless you can square this circle -- for example, I can imagine the person who inspired this thread saying that it's different because people protesting outside planned parenthood aren't just opposing people who support abortions but the people who actually get them but that would just change the terms of when politics of respectability are appropriate, and that is almost entirely a circular argument from what I can tell anyway I am literally just typing my thoughts Oh sure, I agree with that. It's one of the reasons why I think we need to make debate a mandatory class in high school. People needs to learn how to engage with ideas and defend their own in meaningful ways, and this complete lack of ability is IMO in part why everything is now a moral "I'm right and you're wrong" issue. When you can't actually defend your own claims... just say the other person is a bad person. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:904775174] in its bizarr... [t:76791655]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote> Like... the scope and scale are just so radically different that you almost can't compare the two. </quote> I agree with this, though, and there are other differences, too. I'm just saying that a general defense of respectability politics rings hollow to me unless you can square this circle -- for example, I can imagine the person who inspired this thread saying that it's different because people protesting outside planned parenthood aren't just opposing people who support abortions but the people who actually get them but that would just change the terms of when politics of respectability are appropriate, and that is almost entirely a circular argument from what I can tell anyway I am literally just typing my thoughts</quote> Oh sure, I agree with that. It's one of the reasons why I think we need to make debate a mandatory class in high school. People needs to learn how to engage with ideas and defend their own in meaningful ways, and this complete lack of ability is IMO in part why everything is now a moral "I'm right and you're wrong" issue. When you can't actually defend your own claims... just say the other person is a bad person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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