Current Events > Hey Star Wars Deep Lore nerds, why could they never find Obi Wan and Luke?

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I mean in all the movies they could sense each other all the time.

And Tatooine feels like the first or second place Vader would look.

I mean they didn't even change their surname....

Does like the sand block the Midichlorians or something?
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For Yoda i believe the swamp had natural dark energy or something that blocked his force from being sensed
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Well Yoda made sense because he's established to be immensely remote and in hiding.
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Well Vader obviously has bad memories of Tatooine, so it's understandable why he'd never want to go there again. And it has no significance at all to the Empire. Vader and Palpatine wouldn't be looking for Luke either, since as far as they know he doesn't exist. Not sure if there's anything more about how Obi-Wan evaded detection though.
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Because Vader hates sand.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Well Vader obviously has bad memories of Tatooine, so it's understandable why he'd never want to go there again. And it has no significance at all to the Empire. Vader and Palpatine wouldn't be looking for Luke either, since as far as they know he doesn't exist. Not sure if there's anything more about how Obi-Wan evaded detection though.

"I sense incredible vibrations in the force from Tatooine....but Mah that place sucked so let's not check it out."

I don't know... I mean the not knowing Luke existed thing makes sense why he wouldn't hunt him but I still think he'd check it out.

Maybe even have his loose end family eliminated like Soviet Russians used to do
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they already thought of this and masterfully added it through their ingenious writing

"I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere."
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Presumably Obi-Wan wasn't doing anything conspicuous and just stayed in his little hut all the time so the Empire had no reason to suspect he was there.

tatooine was a shithole planet filled with scum smugglers and slavers and was probably clouded with dat darkside energy just like dagobah
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Vader also had no idea Luke was even alive. Palps told Vader Padme died, thus implying the baby was lost as well.

Was Vader actually actively looking for Obi-wan or his kid(s) inbetween RotS and ANH?
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Was Vader actually actively looking for Obi-wan or his kid(s) inbetween RotS and ANH?

He was hunting down Jedi during this time but as for as Obi Wan is concerned, he was presumed to have been killed during Order 66.

Vader had no idea his children even existed, and only found out shortly after the events in ANH.
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FarFromFields posted...

Because Vader hates sand.

Underrated post.
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Bumjuice001 posted...

He was hunting down Jedi during this time

There's that really lame story where all the suriving Jedi meet up, just argue with each other and then Vader kills them all.

Man Jedi suck
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Bumjuice001 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Was Vader actually actively looking for Obi-wan or his kid(s) inbetween RotS and ANH?

He was hunting down Jedi during this time but as for as Obi Wan is concerned, he was presumed to have been killed during Order 66.

Vader had no idea his children even existed, and only found out shortly after the events in ANH.

Why would that be presumed? The duel between Anakin and Obi-wan happened after Order 66.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Well Yoda made sense because he's established to be immensely remote and in hiding.

Which... doesn't apply to Luke and Obi?
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Well Vader obviously has bad memories of Tatooine, so it's understandable why he'd never want to go there again. And it has no significance at all to the Empire. Vader and Palpatine wouldn't be looking for Luke either, since as far as they know he doesn't exist. Not sure if there's anything more about how Obi-Wan evaded detection though.

This is pretty much along the lines of what I always assumed.
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DevsBro posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Well Yoda made sense because he's established to be immensely remote and in hiding.

Which... doesn't apply to Luke and Obi?

Again, there was the cave under the tree, which in Yoda's own words was "strong with the Dark Side". The general consensus (and I believe expanded on later) as that Yoda and the tree kinda canceled each other out from detection.

But Tattooine is an Outer Rim world with almost no significant resources, and Dagobah is a literally a planet-sized swamp. No one would ever think to search either place, which was kinda the whole point.
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Lol star wars nerds.
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There was an EU book that explains why Ben kept the last name.

When he went to Tattooine, he just introduced himself to people as Ben. All the tteenage girls had a crush on him (yes, this is important), and one snuck into his house while he was forcetalking to Qui-gon, and overheard him say something something "is not the Kenobi way." She didn't see either of them and naturally assumed Qui-gon was there physically,

She ran to tell all the other girls his last name is Kenobi. Fortunately, "Kenobi" is the Tattooine "Smith."

Presumably if this book exists, there's also an EU book that explains why Obi didn't force detect a teenage girl in his house.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

"I sense incredible vibrations in the force from Tatooine....but Mah that place sucked so let's not check it out."

There's no indication that Vader or the Emperor sensed incredible vibrations in the force from Tatooine though
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Bumjuice001 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Was Vader actually actively looking for Obi-wan or his kid(s) inbetween RotS and ANH?

He was hunting down Jedi during this time but as for as Obi Wan is concerned, he was presumed to have been killed during Order 66.

Vader had no idea his children even existed, and only found out shortly after the events in ANH.

Why would that be presumed? The duel between Anakin and Obi-wan happened after Order 66.

Because III, along with I and II, had terrible writing.
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DarthWendy posted...

Lol star wars nerds.

Says DarthWendy. ^_^
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DevsBro posted...

Because III, along with I and II, had terrible writing.

general answer to all things starwars really
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I don't think the force works like a GPS, like even if they sensed something on Tatooine it's still an entire planet they would have to search in order to find a person that they don't even know the identity (or species) of
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Darkman124 posted...

DevsBro posted...

Because III, along with I and II, had terrible writing.

general answer to all things starwars really

4, 5 and 7 had decent writing. And RO was ok.

The only problem with 7 was being too similar to 4 and 5 tbh. It still works. Of course, you also have to assume that the subtitle is directly plot-related or else Rey is literally more force-sensitive than Vader.
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scar the 1 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

"I sense incredible vibrations in the force from Tatooine....but Mah that place sucked so let's not check it out."

There's no indication that Vader or the Emperor sensed incredible vibrations in the force from Tatooine though

then that's a new pothole
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UnfairRepresent posted...

scar the 1 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

"I sense incredible vibrations in the force from Tatooine....but Mah that place sucked so let's not check it out."

There's no indication that Vader or the Emperor sensed incredible vibrations in the force from Tatooine though

then that's a new pothole

no
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FarFromFields posted...

Because Vader hates sand.

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scar the 1 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

scar the 1 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

"I sense incredible vibrations in the force from Tatooine....but Mah that place sucked so let's not check it out."

There's no indication that Vader or the Emperor sensed incredible vibrations in the force from Tatooine though

then that's a new pothole

no

Yes
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>vader didn't know his kids survived
>he certainly didn't know where they were sent (remember he didn't recognize leia as his own child NOR her force potential)
>luke never harnessed his force powers enough to alert vader
>luke's homeworld would be the last place he'd expect obi-wan to go since it's a) where he's from and b) he hated tatooine in ep 1
>obi-wan lived as a hermit in the middle of nowhere where only moisture farmers knew of him
>he could have been actively hiding his force powers or you know, it's not like a galaxy-wide radar
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You realize it's possible to hide your Force presence? Palps did it for most of the PT. And you don't even really need to if you're not actively doing shit.

And I don't think anyone really understands just how backwater Tatooine is. The Star Wars verse has thousands of fully developed planets with millions of beings on each, and Tatooine is way out on the rim where not many people travel and the ones that do are typically shady.

Plus he went by Ben not Obi-Wan, and both Kenobi and Skywalker are fairly common names in a galaxy with trillions of humans not to mention other races.
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Murphiroth posted...

You realize it's possible to hide your Force presence?

Then how come Vader could sense it from Obi and Luke?

Murphiroth posted...

And I don't think anyone really understands just how backwater Tatooine is. The Star Wars verse has thousands of fully developed planets with millions of beings on each, and Tatooine is way out on the rim where not many people travel and the ones that do are typically shady.

Yes but it's also literally where Vader came from and he has family there.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Murphiroth posted...

You realize it's possible to hide your Force presence?

Then how come Vader could sense it from Obi and Luke?

Murphiroth posted...

And I don't think anyone really understands just how backwater Tatooine is. The Star Wars verse has thousands of fully developed planets with millions of beings on each, and Tatooine is way out on the rim where not many people travel and the ones that do are typically shady.

Yes but it's also literally where Vader came from and he has family there.

Because they were literally right next to him in terms of the Force on the Death Star, and once he knew Luke existed it became easier to track him. Hell Vader only barely senses Obi-Wan on the Death Star, and that may very well have been deliberate on Obi's part, knowing he'd have to sacrifice himself. It's worth noting that he only senses the Force in Luke when he's actively using it in the trench run as well.

And no, it is not where Vader came from, it's where Anakin Skywalker came from, and it's a pretty blatant plot point that Vader discards nearly everything that made him Anakin.
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Murphiroth posted...

Because they were literally right next to him in terms of the Force on the Death Star, and once he knew Luke existed it became easier to track him. Hell Vader only barely senses Obi-Wan on the Death Star, and that may very well have been deliberate on Obi's part, knowing he'd have to sacrifice himself. It's worth noting that he only senses the Force in Luke when he's actively using it in the trench run as well.

And no, it is not where Vader came from, it's where Anakin Skywalker came from, and it's a pretty blatant plot point that Vader discards nearly everything that made him Anakin.

He literally brought his mom's corpse to the same home Luke grew up in....
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Murphiroth posted...

You realize it's possible to hide your Force presence?

Then how come Vader could sense it from Obi and Luke?

Murphiroth posted...

And I don't think anyone really understands just how backwater Tatooine is. The Star Wars verse has thousands of fully developed planets with millions of beings on each, and Tatooine is way out on the rim where not many people travel and the ones that do are typically shady.

Yes but it's also literally where Vader came from and he has family there.

1 - Possibly down to distance. Vader, in orbit, never senses Obi-Wan on the surface, only when they're both on the Death Star.

2 - Family? He has a step-brother and step-sister in law that he's met a grand total of once. Not really reunion material.
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You would think Vader would have anhiliated Tatooine..

lol does UR have me on ignore
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Murphiroth posted...

Because they were literally right next to him in terms of the Force on the Death Star, and once he knew Luke existed it became easier to track him. Hell Vader only barely senses Obi-Wan on the Death Star, and that may very well have been deliberate on Obi's part, knowing he'd have to sacrifice himself. It's worth noting that he only senses the Force in Luke when he's actively using it in the trench run as well.

And no, it is not where Vader came from, it's where Anakin Skywalker came from, and it's a pretty blatant plot point that Vader discards nearly everything that made him Anakin.

He literally brought his mom's corpse to the same home Luke grew up in....

Again, not Vader.
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EpicKingdom_ posted...

You would think Vader would have anhiliated Tatooine..

Yeah.

I get what the prequels were trying to do but all they did was make the story make little sense.

I don't think Vader who is happy with mass murder and genocide would just Tatooine and his family go. Let alone not check it out as a possible Obi Wan hiding spot.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

EpicKingdom_ posted...

You would think Vader would have anhiliated Tatooine..

Yeah.

I get what the prequels were trying to do but all they did was make the story make little sense.

I don't think Vader who is happy with mass murder and genocide would just Tatooine and his family go. Let alone not check it out as a possible Obi Wan hiding spot.

Yeah.

Even if we pretend that obi wan died during 66.. you think Tatooine would have been target number one for the Death Star lol.

EpicKingdom_ posted...

Even if we pretend that obi wan died during 66.. you think Tatooine would have been target number one for the Death Star lol.

the death star was not fully operational until the events of rogue one (and ANH which followed immediately)

at which point it needed to promptly address the rebel alliance since they had discovered how to destroy it
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Darkman124 posted...

EpicKingdom_ posted...

Even if we pretend that obi wan died during 66.. you think Tatooine would have been target number one for the Death Star lol.

the death star was not fully operational until the events of rogue one (and ANH which followed immediately)

at which point it needed to promptly address the rebel alliance since they had discovered how to destroy it

You know what I mean, dont have to get all fancy on me.

Tarkin even specifically vetoes Dantooine as a test for the Death Star because it's too remote and wouldn't have the effect of terrorizing everyone into following the Empire.

And Tatooine is equally remote, just on the other side of the galaxy.
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EpicKingdom_ posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

EpicKingdom_ posted...

You would think Vader would have anhiliated Tatooine..

Yeah.

I get what the prequels were trying to do but all they did was make the story make little sense.

I don't think Vader who is happy with mass murder and genocide would just Tatooine and his family go. Let alone not check it out as a possible Obi Wan hiding spot.

Yeah.

Even if we pretend that obi wan died during 66.. you think Tatooine would have been target number one for the Death Star lol.

The Empire had a good working relationship with the Hutt cartels. Tatooine is entirely insignificant besides it being Jabba's base of operations. Blowing it up would get the Empire nothing besides angering the largest criminal network in the galaxy.

And Vader didn't look on Tatooine because there was no logical reason to. The idea that Kenobi would had on the same planet as Anakin's step-family is completely absurd.
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Darkman124 posted...

the death star was not fully operational until the events of rogue one (and ANH which followed immediately)

You're defeating yourself.

"Tatooine is such a small, remote desolate planet with nothing on it."

"OMG They couldn't possibly take out Tatooine until the Death Star is functional!"

Taris is better than Tatooine and they blew that up without a Death Star thousands of years ago
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Taris is better than Tatooine and they blew that up without a Death Star thousands of years ago

i think disney has stated that all EU material, incl things like KOTOR, are not part of the actual universe anymore

which is a shame since KOTOR is better than most of the official canon material.

no official material has ever shown star destroyers as capable of large scale planetary destruction, only focused small-area destruction per TLJ.
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Darkman124 posted...

i think disney has stated that all EU material, incl things like KOTOR, are not part of the actual universe anymore

Meh

KOTOR is set so far in the past that nothing in the movies discounts it and one or two things hold true to it sooooo

It's canon until further notice

Darkman124 posted...

which is a shame since KOTOR is better than most of the official canon material.

yes
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UnfairRepresent posted...

It's canon until further notice

what notice qualifies to you

because disney was pretty explicit in stating that only the films and clone wars tv show are canon
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