Current Events > Apparently there was a white nationalist rally/riot in Portland yesterday

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/defend-pdx-patroit-prayer-portland-clash-today-2018-06-30/

womp womp

I was in Boston yesterday and at the Common there was a large group and demonstrators for Families Belong Together.

Once I was headed back to the subway station I noticed a smaller group further out and heard "No More Nazis" chanting. They were facing inward at... something. Dunno if it was just someone else speaking and I couldn't hear them or if it was a counter-protest and all those people surrounding them were counter-counter-protesting.

Regardless, I was too hot and tired to investigate.
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there was another trump rally?
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foreveraIone posted...

there was another trump rally?

I'm not sure of the timeline. Apparently a small white nationalist group got a permit to protest, and various antifa-aligned groups got a permit for a counterprotest. Shit got real, the two started fighting, and police moved in with riot control measures.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Prayer

In August 2017, in the wake of the Unite the Right rally, Joey Gibson, the founder of Patriot Prayer, denounced racism and denied that Patriot Prayer is connected to the alt-right.

Gibson denounced white supremacists and neo-Nazis during an August 13 rally in Seattle the day after the Unite the Right Rally in Charlottesville, and that Gibson also contends he has taken steps to exclude white supremacist groups.

The SPLC have noted that the organizers of August 7, 2017 rally had "promised the critics who talked with them that racist elements had been denounced and uninvited from the rally," but that the Proud Boys, and members of Identity Evropa (IE) as well as local IE leader, Jake Van Ott, were seen at the event. Gibson says that people who are affiliated with IE have appeared at his events, but has made it clear they were unwelcome and has ejected them when possible. Gibson also says "It's a constant problem because we get these random people that are trying to provoke and they're trying to agitate".

Vertania posted...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Prayer

In August 2017, in the wake of the Unite the Right rally, Joey Gibson, the founder of Patriot Prayer, denounced racism and denied that Patriot Prayer is connected to the alt-right.

Gibson denounced white supremacists and neo-Nazis during an August 13 rally in Seattle the day after the Unite the Right Rally in Charlottesville, and that Gibson also contends he has taken steps to exclude white supremacist groups.

The SPLC have noted that the organizers of August 7, 2017 rally had "promised the critics who talked with them that racist elements had been denounced and uninvited from the rally," but that the Proud Boys, and members of Identity Evropa (IE) as well as local IE leader, Jake Van Ott, were seen at the event. Gibson says that people who are affiliated with IE have appeared at his events, but has made it clear they were unwelcome and has ejected them when possible. Gibson also says "It's a constant problem because we get these random people that are trying to provoke and they're trying to agitate".

Sounds like he needs to step up his game if he wants to run the mythical anti-racist far-right interest group.

treewojima posted...

Joey Gibson, the founder of Patriot Prayer, denounced racism and denied that Patriot Prayer is connected to the alt-right.

well golly i'm sure convinced
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both sides
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Doom_Art posted...

treewojima posted...

Joey Gibson, the founder of Patriot Prayer, denounced racism and denied that Patriot Prayer is connected to the alt-right.

well golly i'm sure convinced

Trump apologists like him are easily fooled by words.

It's why they believe Trump is pro LGBT, when in fact his actions have shown him to be very anti LGBT

BWLurker posted...

It's why they believe Trump is pro LGBT, when in fact his actions have shown him to be very anti LGBT

"but but but he held a rainbow flag once"
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Doom_Art posted...

treewojima posted...

Joey Gibson, the founder of Patriot Prayer, denounced racism and denied that Patriot Prayer is connected to the alt-right.

well golly i'm sure convinced

lol, pretty much

It's literally not a white nationalist group. The guy who started it is ethnically Japanese.

You are literally being an example of the hysteria that has gripped today's political discourse. You are labeling a bunch of people with the term white nationalist without having any idea who they are or what they stand for.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

It's literally not a white nationalist group. The guy who started it is ethnically Japanese.

You are literally being an example of the hysteria that has gripped today's political discourse. You are labeling a bunch of people with the term white nationalist without having any idea who they are or what they stand for.

My bad then. The news of the riot is still fresh to me so I don't really know what groups clashed with who. In any case, it's clear that his organization is attracting the racist portion of the alt-right at their protests.

Don't you live in the pacific northwest? I'm curious what actually went down. I know various groups that declare themselves antifascist got involved.

Not gonna lie every time I see "Unite the Right" I read it as "Untie the Right" and I'm like "man that sounds like such a good cause". If only...
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Yup and a bunch of antifa clowns got knocked the fuck out after brandishing weapons. It was all over reddit last night and was intensely satisfying to watch.

iClockwork posted...

Yup and a bunch of antifa clowns got knocked the fuck out after brandishing weapons. It was all over reddit last night and was intensely satisfying to watch.

"Why can't the left be civil like me/the right!?"
*a few minutes later*
"Ha ha look at this leftist get his head cracked by someone"
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iClockwork posted...

Yup and a bunch of antifa clowns got knocked the fuck out after brandishing weapons. It was all over reddit last night and was intensely satisfying to watch.

Yeah, but who threw the first punch? Wasn't it supposed to be a peaceful protest-counterprotest situation?

BWLurker posted...

Doom_Art posted...

treewojima posted...

Joey Gibson, the founder of Patriot Prayer, denounced racism and denied that Patriot Prayer is connected to the alt-right.

well golly i'm sure convinced

Trump apologists like him are easily fooled by words.

It's why they believe Trump is pro LGBT, when in fact his actions have shown him to be very anti LGBT

There's said he would allow Caitlyn Jenner to use either bathroom at Trump Tower and there's no reason to believe he was lying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSyUWkHsOPQ" data-time="

In fact here's proof directly from Caitlyn Jenner that Trump was telling the truth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIcncA1-2AU" data-time="
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treewojima posted...

Don't you live in the pacific northwest? I'm curious what actually went down. I know various groups that declare themselves antifascist got involved.

I do but I was not there

and fuck those antifa groups, they fuel the radical right by acting like rabid idiots
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treewojima posted...

Yeah, but who threw the first punch? Wasn't it supposed to be a peaceful protest-counterprotest situation?

Antifa did as recorded on video.

Doom_Art posted...

"Why can't the left be civil like me/the right!?"
*a few minutes later*
"Ha ha look at this leftist get his head cracked by someone"

The right showed up and remained civil until physical violence was made against them. All bets are off once one side acts like a pack of animals.

iClockwork posted...

treewojima posted...
Yeah, but who threw the first punch? Wasn't it supposed to be a peaceful protest-counterprotest situation?

Antifa did as recorded on video.

Link? I'll want to confirm its authenticity.

Also, it's worth noting that the Portland PD/government revoked the permit of Patriot Prayer to engage in protest activities. I'm wondering if they did the same for the opposing counterprotesters.

Then again, I doubt the more extreme groups identifying as antifa would have bothered to get permits in the first place.

GregShmedley posted...

Then why are you speaking with such confidence that they were white supremacists?

I literally just corrected myself for calling Patriot Prayer a white nationalist group. I'm not sure what else you want. I want to open my mind and learn what the fuck happened, same as anyone else.

Would you rather I lock the topic to prevent further discussion? I can't change the title.

treewojima posted...

Link? I'll want to confirm its authenticity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=900GK_dW1XI" data-time="

iClockwork posted...

treewojima posted...

Link? I'll want to confirm its authenticity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=900GK_dW1XI" data-time="

I can't tell who is who. Everyone is dressed in black, wearing armor, covering up their face, etc.

Looks more like people itching for a fight regardless of whether they call themselves far-right or antifa. Fuck 'em both.

If I had to wager a guess, the people marching with American flags would be the right-wing protesters, and the people lining up in goofy hockey pads at the intersection are militant alt-right like the Proud Boys. Then blac bloc militant antifa started getting involved, and someone chucked a mortar, firecracker, flash bomb or some other explosive device. Then all hell broke loose.

Also saw a couple schmucks throwing pebbles or rocks.

iClockwork posted...

Yup and a bunch of antifa clowns got knocked the fuck out after brandishing weapons. It was all over reddit last night and was intensely satisfying to watch.

Antifa protestors weren't even allowed to have flag poles, it was the white nationalists who were allowed to have weapons and only after they started attacking did the police declare it a riot.

Sativa_Rose posted...

treewojima posted...

Don't you live in the pacific northwest? I'm curious what actually went down. I know various groups that declare themselves antifascist got involved.

I do but I was not there

and fuck those antifa groups, they fuel the radical right by acting like rabid idiots

And this is utter nonsense. It's only because of protests by antifa and the threat of being doxxed that so many of these white nationalist displays are being canceled or have small turnout rates. As for a previous post of yours, the founder could be Japanese and still be a white nationalist. I'm sure we all remember that Asian guy from a few weeks back who was dressed up and singing some confederate anthem or whatever and kept using the n-word. Even minorities can be Nazis. Tila tequila ring a bell?
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gunplagirl posted...

Antifa protestors weren't even allowed to have flag poles, it was the white nationalists who were allowed to have weapons and only after they started attacking did the police declare it a riot.

Everything is on video including antifa swinging metal rods to against unarmed activists. Take your bullshit somewhere else.

iClockwork posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Antifa protestors weren't even allowed to have flag poles, it was the white nationalists who were allowed to have weapons and only after they started attacking did the police declare it a riot.

Everything is on video including antifa swinging metal rods to against unarmed activists. Take your bullshit somewhere else.

*laughs* gosh you sure do like defending white nationalists and bashing antifa.

Now what's the word for somebody who is anti antifa? Redundancy would make it just... Fa. *tags you as such*
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treewojima posted...

foreveraIone posted...

there was another trump rally?

I'm not sure of the timeline. Apparently a small white nationalist group got a permit to protest, and various antifa-aligned groups got a permit for a counterprotest. Shit got real, the two started fighting, and police moved in with riot control measures.

they need to just stop granting permits to both sides on the same day. why do they do that? it leads to people getting hurt every single time

gunplagirl posted...

*laughs* gosh you sure do like defending white nationalists and bashing antifa.

Not defending anyone i'm only simply stating facts. You seem to love antifa though since you're willing to sell your morality to lie for them.

Zikten posted...

they need to just stop granting permits to both sides on the same day. why do they do that? it leads to people getting hurt every single time

Antifa wasn't issued permits, they organized to disrupt and cause violence.

yea gunplagirl is a big antifa fan

anyway, one can be against both. white nationalists and antifa both suck. antifa is now considered a terrorist group or whatever. they are not good.

Zikten posted...

yea gunplagirl is a big antifa fan

anyway, one can be against both. white nationalists and antifa both suck. antifa is now considered a terrorist group or whatever. they are not good.

Okay but the KKK isn't even considered a terrorist group, so maybe using the government's definitions and especially one under Trump is a bad idea.
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iClockwork posted...

gunplagirl posted...

*laughs* gosh you sure do like defending white nationalists and bashing antifa.

Not defending anyone i'm only simply stating facts. You seem to love antifa though since you're willing to sell your morality to lie for them.

Zikten posted...

they need to just stop granting permits to both sides on the same day. why do they do that? it leads to people getting hurt every single time

Antifa wasn't issued permits, they organized to disrupt and cause violence.

I mean if you don't know what a flag pole is then you're not speaking facts at all.

And the white nationalists have plenty of people who come armed. Last time around there were stabbings carried out by the patriot prayer folk, or was that the one before that?

For that matter, "unarmed protestors" is moot when you say antifa hit them seeing as the patriot prayer folk charged in there to attack.
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Antifa are dangerous. PP were proud patriots defending our Great nation from evil. Antifa are mostly made up of The Last Jedi lover at any rate.
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gunplagirl posted...

I mean if you don't know what a flag pole is then you're not speaking facts at all.

And the white nationalists have plenty of people who come armed. Last time around there were stabbings carried out by the patriot prayer folk, or was that the one before that?

For that matter, "unarmed protestors" is moot when you say antifa hit them seeing as the patriot prayer folk charged in there to attack.

Already backpedaling LMFAO

1. The flag was never used as a weapon, show me a video where it was

2. We're not talking about "last time" or "next time" or any other time. We're talking about this time. Stay on fucking topic.

3. Wrong again. Antifa threw an explosive into a crowd of peaceful protesters who then scattered and were attacked by hooded thugs with weapons and after all that they still got fucking stomped out like bugs. All of this has been recorded from multiple angles.

Which imaginary story will you attempt to conjure next?

treewojima posted...

iClockwork posted...

treewojima posted...

Link? I'll want to confirm its authenticity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=900GK_dW1XI" data-time="

I can't tell who is who. Everyone is dressed in black, wearing armor, covering up their face, etc.

Looks more like people itching for a fight regardless of whether they call themselves far-right or antifa. Fuck 'em both.

To my understanding, protective gear has become standard attire for right-wing demonstrators as they pretty much anticipate violence from antifa by now. It was far less prevalent in 2016 and early 2017.

The alternatives are to suffer significant harm (with low probability of the perpetrators being brought to justice), or not to demonstrate at all, both of which are precisely what antifa wants, and the latter defeating the purpose of why many of the demonstrations occur to begin with.
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im gonna be in portland in a few weeks. ill keep some rocks with me

My real conclusion from all this is that antifa need to get organized if they want to get anything done without wanton violence and isolated malicious actors. If you're going to be a collective of various autonomous individuals and groups, you need to practice some sort of decision making (ideally, direct democracy) to have any leadership.

gunplagirl posted...

Zikten posted...

yea gunplagirl is a big antifa fan

anyway, one can be against both. white nationalists and antifa both suck. antifa is now considered a terrorist group or whatever. they are not good.

Okay but the KKK isn't even considered a terrorist group, so maybe using the government's definitions and especially one under Trump is a bad idea.

the KKK is almost kind of irrelevant in 2018. when's the last time they even murdered someone? like over 30 years ago? I am 37 and I don't think I ever heard of a KKK murder in my entire lifetime. it's always been "sometime in the past" they seem to be a bunch of powerless people who say "raaaaaarrrr! look at how scary we are!" and the public says "what? oh. yea. scary. right. sure buddy"

iClockwork posted...

gunplagirl posted...

I mean if you don't know what a flag pole is then you're not speaking facts at all.

And the white nationalists have plenty of people who come armed. Last time around there were stabbings carried out by the patriot prayer folk, or was that the one before that?

For that matter, "unarmed protestors" is moot when you say antifa hit them seeing as the patriot prayer folk charged in there to attack.

Already backpedaling LMFAO

1. The flag was never used as a weapon, show me a video where it was

2. We're not talking about "last time" or "next time" or any other time. We're talking about this time. Stay on fucking topic.

3. Wrong again. Antifa threw an explosive into a crowd of peaceful protesters who then scattered and were attacked by hooded thugs with weapons and after all that they still got fucking stomped out like bugs. All of this has been recorded from multiple angles.

Which imaginary story will you attempt to conjure next?

1) post 29
2) totally relevant to the whole "this is regular behavior from members of the patriot rally" point
3) videos of them throwing the explosive from multiple angles now. As in, you need multiple videos. From multiple angles.
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treewojima posted...

My real conclusion from all this is that antifa need to get organized if they want to get anything done without wanton violence and isolated malicious actors. If you're going to be a collective of various autonomous individuals and groups, you need to practice some sort of decision making (ideally, direct democracy) to have any leadership.

You do realize antifa is like BLM in the sense that it's a movement and consists of several distinct groups that tend to work in unison locally but not at a greater level than that

and that among other reasons, it's to prevent infiltration by people who might want to send them into a trap
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Nazi punks fuck off
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and some of those small antifa groups are bad. I remember when a reporter infiltrated a group and called the cops on them before they could go through with a shooting. now those antifa are in prison I think. all thanks to infiltration. maybe they NEED to be infiltrated. they are bad people

Zikten posted...

and some of those small antifa groups are bad. I remember when a reporter infiltrated a group and called the cops on them before they could go through with a shooting. now those antifa are in prison I think. all thanks to infiltration. maybe they NEED to be infiltrated. they are bad people

I mean, most are literally just people there to say "Nazi punks fuck off" to the white nationalist groups that regularly are holding these rallies. And if you're familiar with the history of Oregon, you'd know there's plenty of white nationalist groups based out of just this county.
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gunplagirl posted...

treewojima posted...

My real conclusion from all this is that antifa need to get organized if they want to get anything done without wanton violence and isolated malicious actors. If you're going to be a collective of various autonomous individuals and groups, you need to practice some sort of decision making (ideally, direct democracy) to have any leadership.

You do realize antifa is like BLM in the sense that it's a movement and consists of several distinct groups that tend to work in unison locally but not at a greater level than that

and that among other reasons, it's to prevent infiltration by people who might want to send them into a trap

well, yeah. i view them as an autonomous collective of a mix of various antifascist and anarchist ideologies. if an antifa-aligned group wants to attend an event, they need to be prepared for other independent antifa-aligned groups that show up and know how to harness their rage in the heat of the moment.

a good example of this is how the Patriot Prayer members practiced crowd control when things got rowdy. they told their alt-right allies to fuck off and back up when punches started flying, then collectively regrouped. it's about the only defense of their ideals that i have.

if we as egalitarians want to implement direct action to promote social change, we need to know when to throw a punch and when to back up and regroup.

egalitarians

That explains everything I already know and most of what I assumed just got confirmed
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gunplagirl posted...

egalitarians

That explains everything I already know and most of what I assumed just got confirmed

you don't strive for egalitarian ideals in collective society as a whole? i may not agree with the person standing next to me, but i'm not going to infringe on his rights unless forced to in self defense

if a fascist thug takes a swing, i'm gonna swing right back. if a fascist thug yells racist epithets or tells me i'm a liberal pussy that needs to fuck off, i'm gonna roll my eyes and ignore him. or shout insults right back, one of the two lol

The issue with egalitarian arguments is that it basically comes down to them tolerating evil. And unfortunately, when you don't take a side, you end up conceding the advantage to the oppressors.
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