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ssj3vegeta_
06/28/18 8:35:46 PM
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yes or no? - Results (9 votes)
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yes
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Wolf_J_Flywheel
06/28/18 8:38:22 PM
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Two hands, safety off
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gguirao
07/01/18 1:00:53 AM
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If not now, when?
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DarkTransient
07/01/18 1:01:58 AM
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We can talk about gun control when conservatives are willing to accept anything other than no restrictions at all and liberals are willing to accept anything other than a total ban.

In other words, we will never be able to talk about it; and I have serious doubts we'll even get half way.
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CelestialVoices
07/01/18 1:02:47 AM
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columbine was only 19 years ago. it's too soon.
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gguirao
07/01/18 1:05:02 AM
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DarkTransient posted...
We can talk about gun control when conservatives are willing to accept anything other than no restrictions at all and liberals are willing to accept anything other than a total ban.

In other words, we will never be able to talk about it; and I have serious doubts we'll even get half way.

I've never heard the left demand an outright ban on firearms, just responsibility and accountability, like with any other rights people have.
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FLUFFYGERM
07/01/18 1:05:46 AM
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gguirao posted...
DarkTransient posted...
We can talk about gun control when conservatives are willing to accept anything other than no restrictions at all and liberals are willing to accept anything other than a total ban.

In other words, we will never be able to talk about it; and I have serious doubts we'll even get half way.

I've never heard the left demand an outright ban on firearms, just responsibility and accountability, like with any other rights people have.


then you aren't paying enough attention
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glitteringfairy
07/01/18 1:06:12 AM
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Two hands, safety always off

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DarthGravid
07/01/18 1:25:46 AM
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I'm liberal, leftist, whatever, and a gun owner. I don't want to give up mine, or take anyone else's. More (and deeper) background checks look good on paper, but aren't really doing much good so far. Taking away guns altogether is a terrible idea, and would result in tremendous backlash. Arming everyone is not a good idea either, as some are simply not capable of handling the responsibility of gun ownership.

I teach my children that guns are dangerous, and should be treated as such. I keep them locked away, and all but two (for home defense) are disabled at any given time (firing pin removed or disassembled completely). When they reach an age AND level of maturity that they can fully understand that, and that it is a matter of life and death, they are taught safety and responsibility under strict supervision.

I wish that there was an easy solution, but there isn't. That's why so many drift toward extreme views on this matter.
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bknight
07/01/18 1:27:55 AM
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It's working, the last couple of mass shootings were done with shotguns and handguns, no ARs in sight and they didn't kill themselves, saving lives already.
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DarkTransient
07/01/18 1:32:48 AM
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DarthGravid posted...
Arming everyone is not a good idea either, as some are simply not capable of handling the responsibility of gun ownership.


You don't need to arm everyone. You simply need to make sure there is a reasonable possibility that any given randomly-selected person may be armed.

The situations that are deterred by the possibility are a much bigger factor, than the situations that get diffused by someone actually having and using their gun in self defence. The latter is of course not negligable - but even if not everyone is armed and it's a gamble as to who is or isn't; even if the criminal's victim is not armed, a bystander very well may be.

It's similar to how the whole deterrent factor of nuclear weapons works. They don't exist for what happens when they're used, they exist as a deterrent in the hope they'll never actually need to be used.
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DarthGravid
07/01/18 1:43:11 AM
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DarkTransient posted...
DarthGravid posted...
Arming everyone is not a good idea either, as some are simply not capable of handling the responsibility of gun ownership.


You don't need to arm everyone. You simply need to make sure there is a reasonable possibility that any given randomly-selected person may be armed.

The situations that are deterred by the possibility are a much bigger factor, than the situations that get diffused by someone actually having and using their gun in self defence. The latter is of course not negligable - but even if not everyone is armed and it's a gamble as to who is or isn't; even if the criminal's victim is not armed, a bystander very well may be.

It's similar to how the whole deterrent factor of nuclear weapons works. They don't exist for what happens when they're used, they exist as a deterrent in the hope they'll never actually need to be used.


I agree completely. I was pointing out the extremes of both sides of the debate. My wife and I both have concealed carry permits, and it is for the exact reasons in your reply. Neither of us has ever drawn or fired outside of the range (exception, my military service), and I hope that we never do.
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spincr
07/01/18 3:30:27 AM
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Taking away the right to bear arms will only lead to your government oppressing you big time

don't bother
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EverDownward
07/01/18 3:31:55 AM
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sure
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Rika_Furude
07/01/18 3:59:17 AM
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i dont know why but americans dont seem to care very much about the gun situation over there. they would rather let school shootings etc happen than implement gun control.
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eggcorn
07/01/18 4:14:26 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
i dont know why but americans dont seem to care very much about the gun situation over there. they would rather let school shootings etc happen than implement gun control.

I thought people just gave you shit because of your creepy anime sig. Now I see it's because you don't make any sense.
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Tropicalwood
07/01/18 4:25:34 AM
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scorpion41
07/01/18 4:31:54 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
i dont know why but americans dont seem to care very much about the gun situation over there. they would rather let school shootings etc happen than implement gun control.


We have gun control in place. But, everything the left wants to further implement would restrict gun ownership into a privileged luxury, which is not how Rights work.
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ModLogic
07/01/18 4:48:16 AM
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HitTheGroundWal
07/01/18 4:55:31 AM
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I'm in favor of safe storage laws, myself. Make it harder for children and criminals to get legally purchased guns by law abiding citizens.
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Rika_Furude
07/01/18 6:09:18 AM
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eggcorn posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
i dont know why but americans dont seem to care very much about the gun situation over there. they would rather let school shootings etc happen than implement gun control.

I thought people just gave you shit because of your creepy anime sig. Now I see it's because you don't make any sense.

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Countries that implement gun restrictions see reductions in murder/crime rates. Theres a reason why shootinga in australia all become international news when theres very small amounts of deaths, whereas in america you have constant school/mass shootings and forget about them a week later. But no, attack me personally because "of my sig"... im sure thats a better idea than actually trying to stop school shootings... you guys dont even see it as a problem worth attention, let alone addressing.
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kayoticdreamz
07/01/18 6:12:05 AM
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DarkTransient posted...
We can talk about gun control when conservatives are willing to accept anything other than no restrictions at all and liberals are willing to accept anything other than a total ban.

In other words, we will never be able to talk about it; and I have serious doubts we'll even get half way.


we've gotten more than half way to a ban.

conservatives keep caving in damn near everytime. bunch of spineless cowards.
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GameConsolesFTW
07/01/18 6:28:57 AM
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spincr posted...
Taking away the right to bear arms will only lead to your government oppressing you big time

don't bother

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1NfamousACE_2
07/01/18 6:31:34 AM
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Get rid of the gun show loophole

Keep track of every gun in a database, from manufacturing to sale or whatever happens next.
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Wolf_J_Flywheel
07/01/18 6:55:39 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
i dont know why but americans dont seem to care very much about the gun situation over there. they would rather let school shootings etc happen than implement gun control.

We ban guns at schools and a lot of businesses!
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Rika_Furude
07/01/18 6:58:49 AM
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
i dont know why but americans dont seem to care very much about the gun situation over there. they would rather let school shootings etc happen than implement gun control.

We ban guns at schools and a lot of businesses!

but do you ban guns outside of school? cause a kid could just get a gun from outside of school and bring it into school
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Wolf_J_Flywheel
07/01/18 6:15:17 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
i dont know why but americans dont seem to care very much about the gun situation over there. they would rather let school shootings etc happen than implement gun control.

We ban guns at schools and a lot of businesses!

but do you ban guns outside of school? cause a kid could just get a gun from outside of school and bring it into school
That shouldnt matter, according to our leftist who want an open and unsecured border with one of the most dangerous corrupted cartel ran countries in the world with a murder rate second only to Syria.
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FL81
07/01/18 6:20:24 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
eggcorn posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
i dont know why but americans dont seem to care very much about the gun situation over there. they would rather let school shootings etc happen than implement gun control.

I thought people just gave you shit because of your creepy anime sig. Now I see it's because you don't make any sense.

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Countries that implement gun restrictions see reductions in murder/crime rates. Theres a reason why shootinga in australia all become international news when theres very small amounts of deaths, whereas in america you have constant school/mass shootings and forget about them a week later. But no, attack me personally because "of my sig"... im sure thats a better idea than actually trying to stop school shootings... you guys dont even see it as a problem worth attention, let alone addressing.

Australia has literally banned porn with flat chested women

just one more measure keeping America from turning into an oppresive tyrannical state like Australia
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Malcrasternus
07/01/18 6:34:09 PM
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Here's my compromise.

Expanded background checks on all firearm sales. Mandatory gun safes in all households that wish to house them. No safe, no gun.

In return, lift every ban or restriction currently put on firearms in regards to cosmetic attachments, and magazine capacities across the nation.

Anyone that shouldn't be allowed a gun is barred from ownership, and everyone that passes is limited only by their wallets.

Slight edit for clarity.
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Calwings
07/01/18 6:46:12 PM
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Malcrasternus posted...
Here's my compromise.

Expanded background checks on all firearm sales. Mandatory gun safes in all households that wish to house them. No safe, no gun.

In return, lift every ban or restriction currently put on firearms in regards to cosmetic attachments, and magazine capacities across the nation.

No one that shouldn't be allowed a gun is barred from ownership, and everyone that passes is limited only by their wallets.

This is the best idea in my opinion. If you're mentally stable enough to safely own, use, and store a gun, and you can prove it, you should be allowed to buy and keep a gun with no further questions asked. But if you can't show that you're mentally stable enough to handle the responsibility, or if you refuse to take the appropriate safety measures needed, then you shouldn't be allowed to buy a gun at all. This would have no negative effects on mentally fit, law-abiding citizens at all, but it reduces the chances that a gun will end up in the hands of an unsafe or unfit person who shoudn't be handling a firearm.
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Rika_Furude
07/01/18 7:08:37 PM
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FL81 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
eggcorn posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
i dont know why but americans dont seem to care very much about the gun situation over there. they would rather let school shootings etc happen than implement gun control.

I thought people just gave you shit because of your creepy anime sig. Now I see it's because you don't make any sense.

?
Countries that implement gun restrictions see reductions in murder/crime rates. Theres a reason why shootinga in australia all become international news when theres very small amounts of deaths, whereas in america you have constant school/mass shootings and forget about them a week later. But no, attack me personally because "of my sig"... im sure thats a better idea than actually trying to stop school shootings... you guys dont even see it as a problem worth attention, let alone addressing.

Australia has literally banned porn with flat chested women

just one more measure keeping America from turning into an oppresive tyrannical state like Australia

America banned net neutrality and kinder surprise chocolate eggs
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Darmik
07/01/18 7:10:42 PM
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
That shouldnt matter, according to our leftist who want an open and unsecured border with one of the most dangerous corrupted cartel ran countries in the world with a murder rate second only to Syria.


Doesn't Mexico get most of their guns from America?
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Wolf_J_Flywheel
07/02/18 10:58:28 AM
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Darmik posted...
Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
That shouldnt matter, according to our leftist who want an open and unsecured border with one of the most dangerous corrupted cartel ran countries in the world with a murder rate second only to Syria.


Doesn't Mexico get most of their guns from America?

Probably. Guns arent dangerous. Someone needs to pull the trigger.
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Questionmarktarius
07/02/18 11:01:31 AM
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Keep track of every gun in a database, from manufacturing to sale or whatever happens next.

What useful purpose does that serve?
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EdgeMaster
07/02/18 11:05:55 AM
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
i dont know why but americans dont seem to care very much about the gun situation over there. they would rather let school shootings etc happen than implement gun control.

We ban guns at schools and a lot of businesses!


And there lies the root of the problem. We can reasonably believe two things here...

1) school shooting are bullshit and made up... I mean how could they even possibly happen? You arent allowed to bring guns to school.....

2) people dont follow the law and if they intent to harm people theyll acquire a gun, legal or not.
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Abyssea
07/02/18 11:10:26 AM
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We should give all the teachers guns. It's the only way.
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