Current Events > Before Roe vs. Wade 8,000 American women were dying per year of illegal abortion

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https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/a10033320/pro-life-abortion/

Before the passage of Roe. Vs. Wade in 1973, its estimated that between 250 and 8,000 American women were dying per year of illegal abortions.

Today, in the United States, women experience complications from safe, legal abortion less than one percent of the time. And whether or not anyone talks about it, its a common medical procedure30 percent of women in the U.S. have had a safe, legal abortion.

It's crazy to think about our current predicament and how easily we can regress back to that time when so many women died.
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I see you used the largest estimate, when there is a whole range of 250-8,000, to try to skew your topic.
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PiOverlord posted...

I see you used the largest estimate, when there is a whole range of 250-8,000, to try to skew your topic.

250 deaths due to something completely preventable is still 250 needless deaths

and that's not including injuries such as sterility or preventable infection

Well, we won't have to worry about that anymore since Trump's new Supreme Court will probably outlaw illegal abortions.
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How many American women die in the womb each year of legal abortions after Roe vs Wade? Probably a lot more than 8k.
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treewojima posted...

PiOverlord posted...

I see you used the largest estimate, when there is a whole range of 250-8,000, to try to skew your topic.

250 deaths due to something completely preventable is still 250 needless deaths

and that's not including injuries such as sterility or preventable infection

Its a net gain for lives though, isn't it?

Just sayin'

estimated that between 250 and 8,000 American women were dying per year of illegal abortions

That sounds an awful lot like they have no fucking idea tbqh
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KhanJohnny posted...

treewojima posted...

PiOverlord posted...

I see you used the largest estimate, when there is a whole range of 250-8,000, to try to skew your topic.

250 deaths due to something completely preventable is still 250 needless deaths

and that's not including injuries such as sterility or preventable infection

Its a net gain for lives though, isn't it?

Just sayin'

try telling that to places with genuine overpopulation concerns like China and India

thats what trump means when he says make america great again
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vs hundreds of thousands of babies that die from abortion

fair next
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They

Aren't

Babies
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bloodydeath0 posted...

vs hundreds of thousands of babies that die from abortion

fair next

>clump of cells
>baby

pick one

If only they used protection or kept their legs closed.

I agree with abortion for medical reasons or rape and incest, but nowadays most women just use it as retroactive birth control.
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treewojima posted...

250 deaths due to something completely preventable is still 250 needless deaths

There have been over 44 Million legal abortions since 1973... But hey those deaths weren't completely preventable right.?
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On_The_Edge posted...

How many American women die in the womb each year of legal abortions after Roe vs Wade? Probably a lot more than 8k.

None
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I'm as pro-abortion as a person can be, but 250-8000 is the range and the topic title says 8000? Come on man >_>
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I'm against abortion because I'm not in favor of the welfare state. Oh wait...
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Many social scientists believe that the drop in US violent crime rates starting in the 1990s was strongly linked to abortion legalization from Roe v Wade.

If it were to be made illegal again, I hope you proponents are prepared for the wave of unwanted children who grow up neglected and in squalor - an outsized percentage of whom will (unsurprisingly) turn to a life of crime as they grow up.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

treewojima posted...

250 deaths due to something completely preventable is still 250 needless deaths

There have been over 44 Million legal abortions since 1973... But hey those deaths weren't completely preventable right.?

if you count an abortion as a death. i don't.

Conflict posted...

TheSextMachine posted...

If only they used protection or kept their legs closed.

It's almost as if protection isn't 100% effective and "just stop having sex" isn't a solution

You act like most of these people actually use protection. So many girls don't even make the guy wear a condom.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

I'm as pro-abortion as a person can be, but 250-8000 is the range and the topic title says 8000? Come on man >_>

yeah. even 250 a year is too much. nothing wrong with going with the low number on this.
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Don't worry it's not like there won't be states that allow for abortion.

It will just get regulated at the state level not federal level.

I don't see the need for all the tears from the left.
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TheSextMachine posted...

If only they used protection or kept their legs closed.

I agree with abortion for medical reasons or rape and incest, but nowadays most women just use it as retroactive birth control.

I'm curious how many abortions you think the average woman has
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Conflict posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

Don't worry it's not like there won't be states that allow for abortion.

It will just get regulated at the state level not federal level.

Yeah having to travel to a different state to get a medical procedure isn't a problem at all

Sarcasm because I know you won't be able to catch it

Well I guess that's the price you might have to pay for the fucked up privilege of aborting a living zygote, fetus, human. However you want to define it.

Give the choice back to the states.

Boo fucking whoo.
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eston posted...

I'm curious how many abortions you think the average woman has

Not sure of the average but I knew a girl that had 2 within a year, and I doubt she is the only one.
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Today, in the United States, women experience complications from safe, legal abortion less than one percent of the time. And whether or not anyone talks about it, its a common medical procedure30 percent of women in the U.S. have had a safe, legal abortion.

US population ~325,000,000. 325,000,000/2 = 162,500,000 women .162,500,000*30% = 48,750,000 abortions .48,750,000*1% = 487,500 "complications"

So if 1.5%-ish of "complications" end in death, you're at a higher rate.

Also, it's hard to feel bad for something someone literally does to themselves. Like, "Oh, my God! I blew my hand off while throwing dynamite in the woods" Well, maybe you shouldn't have been doing that, dingus.
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Of course the usual suspects don't want to talk about the actual subject matter.
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TheSextMachine posted...

eston posted...

I'm curious how many abortions you think the average woman has

Not sure of the average but I knew a girl that had 2 within a year, and I doubt she is the only one.

That might be an actual ho.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

Conflict posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

Don't worry it's not like there won't be states that allow for abortion.

It will just get regulated at the state level not federal level.

Yeah having to travel to a different state to get a medical procedure isn't a problem at all

Sarcasm because I know you won't be able to catch it

Well I guess that's the price you might have to pay for the fucked up privilege of aborting a living zygote, fetus, human. However you want to define it.

Give the choice back to the states.

Boo fucking whoo.

Did you learn the difference between pro-life and pro-choice yet?
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BLAKUboy posted...

actual subject matter.

Being what?

Abortion being decided on the state level. Why is this a big deal?
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Conflict posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

Conflict posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

Don't worry it's not like there won't be states that allow for abortion.

It will just get regulated at the state level not federal level.

Yeah having to travel to a different state to get a medical procedure isn't a problem at all

Sarcasm because I know you won't be able to catch it

Well I guess that's the price you might have to pay for the fucked up privilege of aborting a living zygote, fetus, human. However you want to define it.

Give the choice back to the states.

Boo fucking whoo.

Lol

Someone gets impregnated from rape

You: "Well, you should've kept your legs closed when he was forcing his dick inside you"

That's literally you.

Leave it to the states to tell women how to deal with rape, apparently.
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Conflict posted...

Lol

Someone gets impregnated from rape

You: "Well, you should've kept your legs closed when he was forcing his dick inside you"

That's literally you.

I don't think that's "lol" as you put it.

Rape is a case where abortion is acceptable if the woman makes the choice to do so.
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bloodydeath0 posted...

vs hundreds of thousands of babies that die from abortion

fair next

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Many social scientists believe that the drop in US violent crime rates starting in the 1990s was strongly linked to abortion legalization from Roe v Wade.

But, there's also a very strong overlap with the decrease in crime being attributed to the decline in leaded gasoline over the same timeframe.

The correct answer is probably "both", though.

Conflict posted...

one-dimensional

haha no.

One dimensional is wanting a federal law telling every state what to do.

The people in the state can vote and the majority will decide through their representative democracy if it's legal or not and to what extent.

You live in the one-dimensional world where everything is white or black.

I understand there is a lot of gray and it's a complex issue therefore give the states their right to find solutions on a granular level.
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but what does that have to do with the price of abortion tea in China?

treewojima posted...

abortion tea in China

I'm reasonably certain that's an actual thing that actually exists, probably made from pennyroyal.

TheSextMachine posted...

eston posted...

I'm curious how many abortions you think the average woman has

Not sure of the average but I knew a girl that had 2 within a year, and I doubt she is the only one.

And somehow your brain translates this into "most women just use it as retroactive birth control"

Interesting
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Conflict posted...

deupd_u posted...

Also, it's hard to feel bad for something someone literally does to themselves. Like, "Oh, my God! I blew my hand off while throwing dynamite in the woods" Well, maybe you shouldn't have been doing that, dingus.

And my previous post is also literally you.

I'm not referring to having sex, I'm referring to having an illegal abortion.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

treewojima posted...

abortion tea in China

I'm reasonably certain that's an actual thing that actually exists, probably made from pennyroyal.

lol. sounds like a gross drink. but if it works...

eston posted...

TheSextMachine posted...

eston posted...

I'm curious how many abortions you think the average woman has

Not sure of the average but I knew a girl that had 2 within a year, and I doubt she is the only one.

And somehow your brain translates this into "most women just use it as retroactive birth control"

Interesting

let's get real, he doesn't know a girl.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

Conflict posted...

Lol

Someone gets impregnated from rape

You: "Well, you should've kept your legs closed when he was forcing his dick inside you"

That's literally you.

I don't think that's "lol" as you put it.

Rape is a case where abortion is acceptable if the woman makes the choice to do so.

Why is rape a case where abortion is acceptable? If life begins at conception or some other time early on making abortion immoral, then why would the fact that rape led to the pregnancy make abortion acceptable?
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KILBOTz posted...

Why is rape a case where abortion is acceptable? If life begins at conception or some other time early on making abortion immoral, then why would the fact that rape led to the pregnancy make abortion acceptable?

It does for some people and doesn't for others.

This is why the whole topic is always so debatable it's black and white for some people and gray for others.

That's why I advocate for state level laws and regulation because a federal law isn't flexible enough.

State level is better, let people decide there.
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Pro life party btw

Doesnt care if people needlessly die as long as they have a reason to feel good about themselves btw

The self righteousness is sad lmao
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