Current Events > Before Roe vs. Wade 8,000 American women were dying per year of illegal abortion

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KILBOTz posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

Conflict posted...

Lol

Someone gets impregnated from rape

You: "Well, you should've kept your legs closed when he was forcing his dick inside you"

That's literally you.

I don't think that's "lol" as you put it.

Rape is a case where abortion is acceptable if the woman makes the choice to do so.

Why is rape a case where abortion is acceptable? If life begins at conception or some other time early on making abortion immoral, then why would the fact that rape led to the pregnancy make abortion acceptable?

The same reason why most people agree certain reasons for killing another human are not morally wrong like others.
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KILBOTz posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

Conflict posted...

Lol

Someone gets impregnated from rape

You: "Well, you should've kept your legs closed when he was forcing his dick inside you"

That's literally you.

I don't think that's "lol" as you put it.

Rape is a case where abortion is acceptable if the woman makes the choice to do so.

Why is rape a case where abortion is acceptable? If life begins at conception or some other time early on making abortion immoral, then why would the fact that rape led to the pregnancy make abortion acceptable?

I would guess it's the only time they have sympathy for a pregnant woman, since it definitely wasn't her choice. But every other time it is her choice and she can just shut up an deal with it, though.
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jborgan posted...

I would guess it's the only time they have sympathy for a pregnant woman, since it definitely wasn't her choice. But every other time it is her choice and she can just shut up an deal with it, though.

Which, of course, loops us back around to how thin the "divine judgement" argument really is.

Questionmarktarius posted...

jborgan posted...

I would guess it's the only time they have sympathy for a pregnant woman, since it definitely wasn't her choice. But every other time it is her choice and she can just shut up an deal with it, though.

Which, of course, loops us back around to how thin the "divine judgement" argument really is.

It just means they don't give a shit about their own morals and only want to punish women for having sex.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

jborgan posted...

I would guess it's the only time they have sympathy for a pregnant woman, since it definitely wasn't her choice. But every other time it is her choice and she can just shut up an deal with it, though.

Which, of course, loops us back around to how thin the "divine judgement" argument really is.

It just means they don't give a shit about their own morals and only want to punish women for having sex.

Yes, exactly.

PiOverlord posted...

KILBOTz posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

Conflict posted...

Lol

Someone gets impregnated from rape

You: "Well, you should've kept your legs closed when he was forcing his dick inside you"

That's literally you.

I don't think that's "lol" as you put it.

Rape is a case where abortion is acceptable if the woman makes the choice to do so.

Why is rape a case where abortion is acceptable? If life begins at conception or some other time early on making abortion immoral, then why would the fact that rape led to the pregnancy make abortion acceptable?

The same reason why most people agree certain reasons for killing another human are not morally wrong like others.

And what are the reasons when killing another human is morally wrong?

Typically when it is self defense, punishment and war. War is unique, but in self defense and punishment the killing is because the other party did something wrong. The fetus would be without any blame but it is the one paying the ultimate price.

If you believe life begins at conception allowing abortion in any case where the mother's life is not in danger would be murdering an innocent, whether that innocent was created by abortion or incest or some other bad situation.
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Weird how so many people are too detached from reality to comprehend how being pro-life requires a greater need for welfare.

KILBOTz posted...

PiOverlord posted...

KILBOTz posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

Conflict posted...

Lol

Someone gets impregnated from rape

You: "Well, you should've kept your legs closed when he was forcing his dick inside you"

That's literally you.

I don't think that's "lol" as you put it.

Rape is a case where abortion is acceptable if the woman makes the choice to do so.

Why is rape a case where abortion is acceptable? If life begins at conception or some other time early on making abortion immoral, then why would the fact that rape led to the pregnancy make abortion acceptable?

The same reason why most people agree certain reasons for killing another human are not morally wrong like others.

And what are the reasons when killing another human is morally wrong?

Typically when it is self defense, punishment and war. War is unique, but in self defense and punishment the killing is because the other party did something wrong. The fetus would be without any blame but it is the one paying the ultimate price.

If you believe life begins at conception allowing abortion in any case where the mother's life is not in danger would be murdering an innocent, whether that innocent was created by abortion or incest or some other bad situation.

You said it yourself, war is unique. It doesn't meet the criteria of the others. You can put instances of "punishment and self-defense" in war, but there are times when neither meet it.

Abortion can have special instances as well.
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bloodydeath0 posted...

vs hundreds of thousands of babies that die from abortion

fair next

Dont perform illegal abortions then
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HypnoCoosh posted...

I understand there is a lot of gray and it's a complex issue therefore give the states their right to find solutions on a granular level.

Except what you're arguing is that we go from more granular to less granular. As it is now, women make these decisions individually with their doctors. You want to remove that right and instead leave the decision up to the state.
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I say abortion should be legal so there.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

I understand there is a lot of gray and it's a complex issue therefore give the states their right to find solutions on a granular level.

Except what you're arguing is that we go from more granular to less granular. As it is now, women make these decisions individually with their doctors. You want to remove that right and instead leave the decision up to the state.

Handling abortion laws at the Federal level puts the people at a democratic deficit across the republic.

State authority > Federal authority on more issues especially abortion laws.
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Don't you guys realize that you are arguing with virgins, misogynists and people who can't even cohabitate with women on this very board about abortion and women rights? That should help put these debates into perspectives.

HypnoCoosh posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

I understand there is a lot of gray and it's a complex issue therefore give the states their right to find solutions on a granular level.

Except what you're arguing is that we go from more granular to less granular. As it is now, women make these decisions individually with their doctors. You want to remove that right and instead leave the decision up to the state.

Handling abortion laws at the Federal level puts the people at a democratic deficit across the republic.

State authority > Federal authority on more issues especially abortion laws.

*except for immigration, because fuck states rights then
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Abyssea posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

I understand there is a lot of gray and it's a complex issue therefore give the states their right to find solutions on a granular level.

Except what you're arguing is that we go from more granular to less granular. As it is now, women make these decisions individually with their doctors. You want to remove that right and instead leave the decision up to the state.

Handling abortion laws at the Federal level puts the people at a democratic deficit across the republic.

State authority > Federal authority on more issues especially abortion laws.

*except for immigration, because fuck states rights then

Immigration is an international issue, which is federal responsibility. States have no say in such matters.
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Abyssea posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

I understand there is a lot of gray and it's a complex issue therefore give the states their right to find solutions on a granular level.

Except what you're arguing is that we go from more granular to less granular. As it is now, women make these decisions individually with their doctors. You want to remove that right and instead leave the decision up to the state.

Handling abortion laws at the Federal level puts the people at a democratic deficit across the republic.

State authority > Federal authority on more issues especially abortion laws.

*except for immigration, because fuck states rights then

Are you really making this argument? Because you're about to get destroyed if so.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

I understand there is a lot of gray and it's a complex issue therefore give the states their right to find solutions on a granular level.

Except what you're arguing is that we go from more granular to less granular. As it is now, women make these decisions individually with their doctors. You want to remove that right and instead leave the decision up to the state.

Handling abortion laws at the Federal level puts the people at a democratic deficit across the republic.

State authority > Federal authority on more issues especially abortion laws.

Demonstrably wrong when state authority results in greater restrictions on personal liberty. And this doesn't even address your earlier claim of "granular" solutions, which is what I was responding to in the first place.
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scorpion41 posted...

Immigration is an international issue, which is federal responsibility. States have no say in such matters.

That's not entirely true.
Note that the same California that insists on being a "sanctuary state", has checkpoints that asks me if i'm smuggling tomatoes across the state line.
https://www.sccgov.org/sites/ag/pests/pages/plants.aspx.

HypnoCoosh posted...

Are you really making this argument? Because you're about to get destroyed if so.

if you get to make arbitrary decisions on whether something is a federal or state responsibility so can I.
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Tedtalker posted...

Don't you guys realize that you are arguing with virgins, misogynists and people who can't even cohabitate with women on this very board about abortion and women rights? That should help put these debates into perspectives.

Those exist on both sides. GTFO of here with that garbage.
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