Current Events > Democratic congressman to introduce first bill to abolish ICE.

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Is his proposal "just let everyone come here uncontrolled", or "get rid of them, then create a new agency; or in other words, pretty much, just change their name"?
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DarkTransient posted...

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Is his proposal "just let everyone come here uncontrolled", or "get rid of them, then create a new agency; or in other words, pretty much, just change their name"?

Here is a quote from it. "Im introducing legislation that would abolish ICE and crack down on the agencys blanket directive to target and round up individuals and families, Pocan said in a statement announcing the legislation.
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And once it's abolished (which in itself, it seems weird that he's going to "crack down on the directive" of an agency that will disappear anyway under his policy)... is his plan to create a new agency to do the same thing, or to let people in uncontrolled?
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Liberal, here.

Thats a very stupid plan. Everyone has fucking lost their minds. This shit is so frustrating.
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There's a montage of him travelling home. He goes upstairs, the twilight seeping in through the openings in the curtains. He goes upstairs to change into his pajamas. The camera slowly moves in to reveal a large MS-13 tattoo across his upper back. He laughs maniacally, waking the dog. Fade to black.
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DarkTransient posted...

And once it's abolished (which in itself, it seems weird that he's going to "crack down on the directive" of an agency that will disappear anyway under his policy)... is his plan to create a new agency to do the same thing, or to let people in uncontrolled?

From article

Pocans bill would immediately dismantle ICE, transfer some of its duties to other agencies and create a commission to advise Congress on how to implement a humane immigration enforcement system that upholds the dignity of all individuals.

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halomonkey1_3_5 posted...

DarkTransient posted...

And once it's abolished (which in itself, it seems weird that he's going to "crack down on the directive" of an agency that will disappear anyway under his policy)... is his plan to create a new agency to do the same thing, or to let people in uncontrolled?

From article

Pocans bill would immediately dismantle ICE, transfer some of its duties to other agencies and create a commission to advise Congress on how to implement a humane immigration enforcement system that upholds the dignity of all individuals.

So more government oversight? I'm good with that.

halomonkey1_3_5 posted...

Pocans bill would immediately dismantle ICE, transfer some of its duties to other agencies and create a commission to advise Congress on how to implement a humane immigration enforcement system that upholds the dignity of all individuals.

Sounds backwards.
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Cheater87 posted...

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Who the fuck still uses that crap?
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Trump 2020 here we come
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How about reforming ICE instead of abolishing it. This is the worst idea from the Democrats in 15 years.
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ICE didn't exist 16 years ago. There are people still in congress who voted against its creation. Abolishing it should be a mainstream Democratic view. That Sanders dodged the question the other day was cowardly

Though, from what I've read about this bill, it basically just recreates ICE through different agencies, which is no good.
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Keep killing yourselves democrats.
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Democrats lost on this immigration narrative. Backfired on em, hard. But this congressman gets to virtue signal so that helps him I guess??
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This is a perfect example of pandering by the minority party to gain brownie points with its base.
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halomonkey1_3_5 posted...

DarkTransient posted...

And once it's abolished (which in itself, it seems weird that he's going to "crack down on the directive" of an agency that will disappear anyway under his policy)... is his plan to create a new agency to do the same thing, or to let people in uncontrolled?

From article

Pocans bill would immediately dismantle ICE, transfer some of its duties to other agencies and create a commission to advise Congress on how to implement a humane immigration enforcement system that upholds the dignity of all individuals.

So it's basically "rearrange things so an agency called ICE no longer exists, but all the functions remain in place".

Pandering at its finest.
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Antifar posted...

ICE didn't exist 16 years ago. There are people still in congress who voted against its creation. Abolishing it should be a mainstream Democratic view. That Sanders dodged the question the other day was cowardly

Though, from what I've read about this bill, it basically just recreates ICE through different agencies, which is no good.

My understanding is that ICE itself was put together from other pre-existing agencies that carried out most of it's current functions. If you don't want ICE, and also don't want it to revert back to the pre-2003 arrangement, what are you proposing?
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snake1989 posted...

Antifar posted...

ICE didn't exist 16 years ago. There are people still in congress who voted against its creation. Abolishing it should be a mainstream Democratic view. That Sanders dodged the question the other day was cowardly

Though, from what I've read about this bill, it basically just recreates ICE through different agencies, which is no good.

My understanding is that ICE itself was put together from other pre-existing agencies that carried out most of it's current functions. If you don't want ICE, and also don't want it to revert back to the pre-2003 arrangement, what are you proposing?

Probably the same thing they propose when they claim that both "keeping kids and parents together" and "seperating the kids from the parents" are human rights violations.
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Antifar posted...

ICE didn't exist 16 years ago. There are people still in congress who voted against its creation. Abolishing it should be a mainstream Democratic view. That Sanders dodged the question the other day was cowardly

Though, from what I've read about this bill, it basically just recreates ICE through different agencies, which is no good.

Do you want open borders, and if so, how do you reconcile that with the fact that it hurts poor American workers, especiallh black and Latino?

The fact that undocumented workers can be paid less than minimum wage (and exploited and extorted in other ways) is what hurts American workers. Being able to lord deportation over someone makes them a much more appealing employee than someone who you'll have to pay workers' comp for.
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Antifar posted...

The fact that undocumented workers can be paid less than minimum wage (and exploited and extorted in other ways) is what hurts American workers. Being able to lord deportation over someone makes them a much more appealing employee than someone who you'll have to pay workers' comp for.

Do you understand basic economics? If you paid immigrants the exact same wages as native poor people, wages would necessarily be lowered because there are more people competing for the same job. This is a basic truth that doesn't depend on documentation at all.

And people like apparently want hundreds of thousands if not millions of people to cross over an open border to take more jobs away from native blacks and latinos.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://sites.hks.harvard.edu/fs/gborjas/publications/journal/Economica2010.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_ksfa9_LbAhXFrFkKHfPeAk8QFjAHegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw1fip9CIpR4Di0C4LiFMO3Q
https://www.theroot.com/how-illegal-immigration-hurts-black-america-1790878554
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-seminara-trump-immigration-reform-african-americans-20180316-story.html

The majority of ICE employees are Hispanic. Sounds like a pretty racist bill.
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Another dumb Congressperson proposing to remove thing they do not like that has no chance of passing to pander to their party.
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DarkTransient posted...

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What does cbf mean
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Antifar posted...

ICE didn't exist 16 years ago. There are people still in congress who voted against its creation. Abolishing it should be a mainstream Democratic view. That Sanders dodged the question the other day was cowardly

Though, from what I've read about this bill, it basically just recreates ICE through different agencies, which is no good.

I mean. I like @Antifar but this attitude kinda confuses me. Before ice we had ins and custom services. We're not gonna not have agencies that deal with the stuff that ice deals with. We can scale back this whole shitty raiding homes and churches and businesses stuff, but we can deal with that with or without ice and we can not deal with it with or without ice, too
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P4wn4g3 posted...

DarkTransient posted...

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What does cbf mean

It means he's poor and can't afford good internet.
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Both ICE and border patrol can be abolished imo.
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