Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 182: Vesuvius of Mendacities

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LapisLazuli
06/27/18 9:53:56 PM
#401:


You're giving him way too many words and way too much credit.
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JeffreyRaze
06/27/18 9:54:52 PM
#402:


I honestly think it's worth engaging with Corrik, but not in the way people do most of the time (and me sometimes as well admittedly). Corrik is spectacularly bad at communication but that just provides a good opportunity to practice both deciphering other people's views from poorly worded statements, and figuring out how to phrase things in a way he understands. Learning to engage people on their level without compromising your own beliefs is a very valuable skill IMO.

Man, this post is condescending as fuck. Oh well.
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redrocket
06/27/18 9:55:24 PM
#403:


pyresword posted...
First off, I have lurked this topic (and made a few posts) for somewhere around a year now


pyresword posted...
If you're trying to communicate to other people that someone is not worth engaging with, you could ... engage with the original person's ideas anyways on the basis that by continually exposing flaws in that person's rationale/beliefs, others will naturally come to the conclusion that the person is not worth engaging with.


<thinking emoji>
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Jakyl25
06/27/18 9:56:14 PM
#404:


redrocket posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1012146325855592448?s=21

The smartest person in the world, everyone.

I would bet that everyone in here could figure out what that means just on context


Before 2016 this is literally how a President might have been portrayed in a silly comedy.


Who knew that Idiocracy was too conservative in its predictions
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red sox 777
06/27/18 9:57:14 PM
#405:


Corrik is extremely easy to understand. I don't agree with a lot of what he says but I don't think I misunderstand it.
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LordoftheMorons
06/27/18 9:57:21 PM
#406:


I dont care about the quality of the arguments as much as getting lost in an endless looping argument for 200 posts

(This is the main reason that Lasa is super wrong about Seph being the worst; Seph does this very infrequently)
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xp1337
06/27/18 9:57:39 PM
#407:


2020 Campaign Platform: More electrolytes.
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Jakyl25
06/27/18 9:58:35 PM
#408:


pyresword posted...
engage with the original person's ideas anyways on the basis that by continually exposing flaws in that person's rationale/beliefs, others will naturally come to the conclusion that the person is not worth engaging with.


As Ive said before, we are all very sick people who as a unit will never learn this

People still engage Ulti for goodness sakes.
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redrocket
06/27/18 9:58:48 PM
#409:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I dont care about the quality of the arguments as much as getting lost in an endless looping argument for 200 posts

(This is the main reason that Lasa is super wrong about Seph being the worst; Seph does this very infrequently)


I'll give a big second to both of these points.
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JeffreyRaze
06/27/18 9:59:22 PM
#410:


red sox 777 posted...
Corrik is extremely easy to understand. I don't agree with a lot of what he says but I don't think I misunderstand it.


There was one thread I distinctly remember Corrik calling homosexual people abnormal and then being upset when people got angry with him. In the end it turned out he thought abnormal had no negative connotations at all and was genuinely confused as to why people were angry. There's just a lot of things like that, where his definitions and assumptions are skewed from everyone else.
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Jakyl25
06/27/18 9:59:23 PM
#411:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I dont care about the quality of the arguments as much as getting lost in an endless looping argument for 200 posts

(This is the main reason that Lasa is super wrong about Seph being the worst; Seph does this very infrequently)


*Jakyl liked this post*
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LapisLazuli
06/27/18 10:00:28 PM
#412:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I dont care about the quality of the arguments as much as getting lost in an endless looping argument for 200 posts

(This is the main reason that Lasa is super wrong about Seph being the worst; Seph does this very infrequently)


I guess that's...a positive. The last time Seph did it was when he was trolling the topic and pretending he wanted to have transgenderism explained to him. A good while ago.
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Jakyl25
06/27/18 10:03:23 PM
#413:


I wonder what would happen if we all agreed that this topic series ends at 200, and we concede the tag to Ulti
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LapisLazuli
06/27/18 10:03:58 PM
#414:


Well, depending on how things go, we may not make it to 200.
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Jakyl25
06/27/18 10:04:33 PM
#415:


BTW Seph thats me moving from Bargaining to Depression
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red sox 777
06/27/18 10:10:18 PM
#416:


*spoilers*

Ulti will be voting Democrat once the topic surrenders to him and admits Trump is the greatest president ever.
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Eddv
06/27/18 10:14:36 PM
#417:


We have people literally defending Corrik.

This fucking topic, mates.
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Jakyl25
06/27/18 10:15:44 PM
#418:


I was there once. I held out hope.

But I finally stared into the abyss of his heart too long
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Eddv
06/27/18 10:20:10 PM
#419:


And yes the problem with red sox isnt that he is inherently an awful person with nothing to be gained from interaction with him like corrik.

It's that red sox is literally incapable of sincere thought and will try to drag this topic into 200 post hyopthetical exercises and literally fuck him for doing that with all of the actual shit happening in this country right now.

If Lasa wants to play 10,001 'but what if the democrats adopted a party platform of sacrificing virgins to the aztec war gods' hypotheticals with red sox then I invite the two of you to go make your own topic like Smuffin has had the grace to.
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Jakyl25
06/27/18 10:21:52 PM
#420:


Eddv posted...
And yes the problem with red sox isnt that he is inherently an awful person with nothing to be gained from interaction with him like corrik.

It's that red sox is literally incapable of sincere thought and will try to drag this topic into 200 post hyopthetical exercises and literally fuck him for doing that with all of the actual shit happening in this country right now.

If Lasa wants to play 10,001 'but what if the democrats adopted a party platform of sacrificing virgins to the aztec war gods' hypotheticals with red sox then I invite the two of you to go make your own topic like Smuffin has had the grace to.


If you guys want, Ill even pop in sometimes!
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LapisLazuli
06/27/18 10:22:02 PM
#421:


Eddv posted...
I invite the two of you to go make your own topic like Smuffin has had the grace to.


I sometimes forget he exists. It's wonderful!
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Corrik
06/27/18 10:22:48 PM
#422:


"inherently an awful person". Inherent means inborn. Meaning I was born an awful person.

By that measure, (lol) you have to understand and accommodate me or you are a bigot according to your moral philosophy. Right?

I mean, come on now. Can't you make your points or whatever without the insults?
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LapisLazuli
06/27/18 10:24:06 PM
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Corrik
06/27/18 10:26:02 PM
#424:


LapisLazuli posted...
I mean wow. You see this shit??

Yeah, stupid insults get stupid responses.
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Jakyl25
06/27/18 10:27:39 PM
#425:


LapisLazuli posted...
Eddv posted...
I invite the two of you to go make your own topic like Smuffin has had the grace to.


I sometimes forget he exists. It's wonderful!


His topic is fun times. Foolmo destroys him often.
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Jakyl25
06/27/18 10:28:32 PM
#426:


https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1012148000674729984?s=21

Sean Hannity just presented this agenda as a negative


Hannity is the Corrik of Fox News
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Suprak the Stud
06/27/18 10:31:24 PM
#427:


Corrik posted...
https://twitter.com/Curtis_Cook/status/1012070956494274560


Wow what a take.

For those curious (since he deleted it) it was along the lines of "I wish this Kennedy had been shot instead of the others"
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LapisLazuli
06/27/18 10:32:23 PM
#428:


Sean Hannity has been stepping it up hard to fill the void that O'Reilly left as chief idiot.
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Corrik
06/27/18 10:33:51 PM
#429:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Corrik posted...
https://twitter.com/Curtis_Cook/status/1012070956494274560


Wow what a take.

For those curious (since he deleted it) it was along the lines of "I wish this Kennedy had been shot instead of the others"

Yeah. It's bad. Suprak, since you like the T_D or whatever for the giggles. Go read the reset thread on the resignation and tell me how you feel about it. People talking about blacking out from grief. Depression. Salting the earth. Burying Republicans. Packing the courts. Etc.
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LordoftheMorons
06/27/18 10:35:12 PM
#430:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1012148000674729984?s=21

Sean Hannity just presented this agenda as a negative


Hannity is the Corrik of Fox News

Not a fan of a few of those (federal job guarantee and likely housing as a human right and higher education for all depending on what specific policy proposals those translate to)
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Corrik
06/27/18 10:35:58 PM
#431:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1012148000674729984?s=21

Sean Hannity just presented this agenda as a negative


Hannity is the Corrik of Fox News

Not a fan of a few of those (federal job guarantee and likely housing as a human right and higher education for all depending on what specific policy proposals those translate to)

I agree with this post. Except federal job guarantee could be useful.
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Jakyl25
06/27/18 10:36:14 PM
#432:


LapisLazuli posted...
Sean Hannity has been stepping it up hard to fill the void that O'Reilly left as chief idiot.


I actually believe he has surpassed Bill

Bill was at least smart enough to ask Trump wait, Russia are the bad guys, why do you love them?
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LordoftheMorons
06/27/18 10:37:26 PM
#433:


The weirdest thing about proposing a job guarantee now is that were at full employment. The government giving out jobs makes sense during a depression; now, not so much.
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Eddv
06/27/18 10:38:08 PM
#434:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1012148000674729984?s=21

Sean Hannity just presented this agenda as a negative


Hannity is the Corrik of Fox News


See I am on board with....MOST of this.

Drop the free higher education for all, the federal jobs guarantee (just fucking make it UBI at this point ffs), and abolishing ICE (because these laws are getting enforced either way what fucking difference does the acronym on the windbreaker they wear make) and we're pretty much in the same place.

Though I think she probably supports tariffs as a Berniecrat and like, just no. Protectionism is bad enough that I would have voted against Sanders against any non-Trump Republican.
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Jakyl25
06/27/18 10:38:23 PM
#435:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1012148000674729984?s=21

Sean Hannity just presented this agenda as a negative


Hannity is the Corrik of Fox News

Not a fan of a few of those (federal job guarantee and likely housing as a human right and higher education for all depending on what specific policy proposals those translate to)


She was on the Bernie campaign if that helps.

The only negative I can see is if you interpret higher education for all as her demanding everyone go to college
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XIII_rocks
06/27/18 10:39:19 PM
#436:


Yeah those aren't all things I'm definitely behind

But presenting "support for LGBT" broadly as a negative is straight-up insane.
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Corrik
06/27/18 10:39:32 PM
#437:


Oh abolish ice. Fuck that.
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Eddv
06/27/18 10:39:39 PM
#438:


Eh, yeah the housing one could potentially be really bad too depending on what that means.

I assumed it was just referring to an expanded section 8 program though, which is fine.
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LapisLazuli
06/27/18 10:40:28 PM
#439:


Corrik posted...
Oh abolish ice. Fuck that.


It's the best thing on that list!
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redrocket
06/27/18 10:45:38 PM
#440:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1012148000674729984?s=21

Sean Hannity just presented this agenda as a negative


Hannity is the Corrik of Fox News


It's just a nitpick, but I actually have a problem with, "solidarity with Puerto Rico" in that it is badly (weakly) worded.

Can you really be in solidarity with something that is literally a part of you? It would be like me saying, "I stand in solidarity with my ears!" It implies that we should assist Puerto Rico out of graciousness, when in fact it is an absolute moral obligation that we do so.

tl;dr: it should be phrased something more like, "uphold our obligations to our fellow citizens in Puerto Rico."
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LordoftheMorons
06/27/18 10:46:14 PM
#441:


Corrik posted...
Oh abolish ice. Fuck that.

I don't know about her specifically, but for many of the Democrat politicians suggesting this the idea is not to stop immigration enforcement but to transfer the responsibility over to other law enforcement agencies. If your view is that ICE is out of control (for which I think there's quite a bit of evidence...) this makes sense (and note that ICE was created in 2002, before which we did not just have open borders).

I do think that "abolish ICE" is probably a pretty big loser of a political message, though (exactly because it does sound like a call to stop immigration enforcement entirely).
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Corrik
06/27/18 10:49:47 PM
#442:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Corrik posted...
Oh abolish ice. Fuck that.

I don't know about her specifically, but for many of the Democrat politicians suggesting this the idea is not to stop immigration enforcement but to transfer the responsibility over to other law enforcement agencies. If your view is that ICE is out of control (for which I think there's quite a bit of evidence...) this makes sense (and note that ICE was created in 2002, before which we did not just have open borders).

I do think that "abolish ICE" is probably a pretty big loser of a political message, though (exactly because it does sound like a call to stop immigration enforcement entirely).

What has ICE done that is so terrible?
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Jakyl25
06/27/18 10:55:40 PM
#443:


redrocket posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1012148000674729984?s=21

Sean Hannity just presented this agenda as a negative


Hannity is the Corrik of Fox News


It's just a nitpick, but I actually have a problem with, "solidarity with Puerto Rico" in that it is badly (weakly) worded.

Can you really be in solidarity with something that is literally a part of you? It would be like me saying, "I stand in solidarity with my ears!" It implies that we should assist Puerto Rico out of graciousness, when in fact it is an absolute moral obligation that we do so.

tl;dr: it should be phrased something more like, "uphold our obligations to our fellow citizens in Puerto Rico."


That says more about Hannitys graphics staffs interpret her stance on Puerto Rico
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LapisLazuli
06/27/18 10:55:59 PM
#444:


....someone else wanna handle that one?

Kind of hard to process.
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Jakyl25
06/27/18 10:56:40 PM
#445:


XIII_rocks posted...
Yeah those aren't all things I'm definitely behind

But presenting "support for LGBT" broadly as a negative is straight-up insane.


Womens Rights
Support Seniors
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XIII_rocks
06/27/18 10:57:52 PM
#446:


That clearly wasn't the only thing I had a problem with >_>
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LordoftheMorons
06/27/18 10:59:07 PM
#447:


Corrik posted...
What has ICE done that is so terrible?

Jailing kids, for starters (and not even fucking keeping track of which kids belong with which parents)
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Corrik
06/27/18 10:59:41 PM
#448:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Corrik posted...
What has ICE done that is so terrible?

Jailing kids, for starters (and not even fucking keeping track of which kids belong with which parents)

They are not jailing kids. The DHS is. They just turn them over to them. Same with the parenthesis part.
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Eddv
06/27/18 11:02:44 PM
#449:


Oh no ICE has certainly misbehaved.

Took like even one tenth of the scrutiny being applied to the FBI and actually hold them accountable.

I just don't actually believe that things would be significantly better under FBI or CBP administration
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Jakyl25
06/27/18 11:04:29 PM
#450:


Ocasio-Cortez on Housing as a right:
Working New Yorkers cant afford to stay in the communities their families have called home for generations. Families are rent burdened, and the city is experiencing the highest levels of homelessness since the Great Depression. While shelters go up, housing actually remains empty - there are three times the amount of empty luxury units as there are people experiencing homelessness in New York City.

Alexandria supports extending tax benefits to working and middle-class homeowners, expanding the Low Income Housing Tax Credit, housing (not sheltering) the homeless, and permanently funding the National Affordable Housing Trust Fund.

Alexandria Endorses:
The Common Sense Housing Investment Act (H.R.948)


From her campaign site

If her claims are untrue, please challenge them!
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