Poll of the Day > I hated Spidey's portrayal in Civil War and Infinity War. Watched Homecoming.

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*SPOILERS for Homecoming*

Ok, I didnt like Spiderman's portrayal in Civil War and Infinity War. He was just super annoying as hell.

It made me not want to watch Homecoming at all. Hell, the Homecoming teaser didn't help at all and the fact that I'm a fan of Raimi's Spider-Man films.

And yesterday I was bored and watched Homecoming with my mom. I didn't want to watch it but we had it DVR'd so why not.

The very beginning was bad with the shitty cellphone cam crap. I'm prob too old for that. But Homecoming was off to a bad start with that.

But the movie quickly got better and I ended up liking Tom Holland's portrayal of Spiderman. I was not expecting this at all. He wasn't annoying in it like he was in Civil War and Infinity War.

Even though I haven't read the comics or anything like that, I've heard from people what Peter Parker/Spider-Man is supposed to be like and I think Homecoming captured it very well.

I won't explain everything I liked about it but I'll just say that I liked how they hired young actors that actually look like they're in High School. In Raimi's Spiderman 1, everyone looked like College students not High School students. lol. And I also liked how Peter had a new love interest. It changed things up a bit. Do we know if Mary Jane is going to be in future movies or is she replaced with the new character that calls herself MJ? She's cool though and very different from Mary Jane.

One thing I didn't like was Spider-Man's suit. It's freaking high tech. It makes Spiderman less special and unique. He has to rely on technology for the most part instead of his powers. I just thought the new suit was dumb. WTF a drone?

I did like the wings-thing on it though.

But yeah, I guess I wanted to dislike Homecoming and Tom Holland as Spiderman before giving it a try and I ended up being wrong. This happens to me sometimes and I like it when it does happen. I'm now interested in Homecoming 2.
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Okay.
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Why do you hate the best version of Spider-Man in film
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Mead posted...

Why do you hate the best version of Spider-Man in film

I dislike how he doesn't know what star wars is. he just calls Empire Strikes Back "that really old movie, on the ice planet"

a nerd like Peter Parker would fucking know Star Wars. that line annoyed me

Kimbos_Egg posted...

Okay.

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Zikten posted...

I dislike how he doesn't know what star wars is. he just calls Empire Strikes Back "that really old movie, on the ice planet"

a nerd like Peter Parker would fucking know Star Wars. that line annoyed me

His Aliens thing in Infinity War was weird as hell too.

Like based on his interactions with Starlord he's apparently supposed to be a film nerd but he also lives in a universe where Alien and Star Wars aren't some of the most referenced pieces of fiction on the planet.

I guess it's supposed to make the audience feel clever ("Oh I've seen Alien and Star Wars! I get that reference!") but it's completely jarring.
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Zikten posted...

I dislike how he doesn't know what star wars is. he just calls Empire Strikes Back "that really old movie, on the ice planet"

a nerd like Peter Parker would fucking know Star Wars. that line annoyed me

There's a scene earlier in the movie where he and Ned are building a Lego Death Star, so he definitely knows what Star Wars is.

I took his line about "that really old movie on the ice planet" as being that maybe he thought Tony wouldn't know what he was talking about. I mean, your average person certainly wouldn't know what Hoth or AT-AT are by name if you were to mention them. So he probably thought Tony wouldn't either.

rogerskg1979 posted...

I took his line about "that really old movie on the ice planet" as being that maybe he thought Tony wouldn't know what he was talking about.

Me too. He was dumbing it down for Tony's sake, not because he only has some vague knowledge of it.
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rogerskg1979 posted...

I took his line about "that really old movie on the ice planet" as being that maybe he thought Tony wouldn't know what he was talking about. I mean, your average person certainly wouldn't know what Hoth or AT-AT are by name if you were to mention them. So he probably thought Tony wouldn't either.

This is clearly not what happened. They just rectonned it in Homecoming anyway.
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Veedrock- posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

I took his line about "that really old movie on the ice planet" as being that maybe he thought Tony wouldn't know what he was talking about.

Me too. He was dumbing it down for Tony's sake, not because he only has some vague knowledge of what he was talking about.

tony stark has super tech and google...i doubt he'd be clueless about star wars of all things
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Revelation34 posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

I took his line about "that really old movie on the ice planet" as being that maybe he thought Tony wouldn't know what he was talking about. I mean, your average person certainly wouldn't know what Hoth or AT-AT are by name if you were to mention them. So he probably thought Tony wouldn't either.

This is clearly not what happened. They just rectonned it in Homecoming anyway.

i am certainly not the only person to see it that way. Homecoming didn't retcon it.

NightMareBunny posted...

Veedrock- posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

I took his line about "that really old movie on the ice planet" as being that maybe he thought Tony wouldn't know what he was talking about.

Me too. He was dumbing it down for Tony's sake, not because he only has some vague knowledge of what he was talking about.

tony stark has super tech and google...i doubt he'd be clueless about star wars of all things

Tony Stark has Google? Whoa!!! I wish i had Google.

he's the best spider-man in live action.
spider-man is supposed to use quips and poke fun at the bad guys.

1st spidey barely did that, and did it badly.
2nd spidey did it several times, but failed in the delivery.
3rd spidey delivered perfectly
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

2nd spidey did it several times, but failed in the delivery.

Yeah, a lot of stuff in the Andrew Garfield movies made no sense. For example, the scene where he confronts the man breaking into a car is so horribly done. A man breaks into a car and Spider-Man is already sitting in the back seat. Think about that logically for a minute. The car was locked, so Spider-Man had to literally break into the car first. Then he just sits in the back seat for who knows how long just waiting for someone else to break into the car. What the hell.

rogerskg1979 posted...

Zikten posted...

I dislike how he doesn't know what star wars is. he just calls Empire Strikes Back "that really old movie, on the ice planet"

a nerd like Peter Parker would fucking know Star Wars. that line annoyed me

There's a scene earlier in the movie where he and Ned are building a Lego Death Star, so he definitely knows what Star Wars is.

I took his line about "that really old movie on the ice planet" as being that maybe he thought Tony wouldn't know what he was talking about. I mean, your average person certainly wouldn't know what Hoth or AT-AT are by name if you were to mention them. So he probably thought Tony wouldn't either.

no, it's just supposed to be the movies are old to him. to stark, they aren't. stark gets annoyed because he refrences a lot of movies, and says most of them are really old
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

Zikten posted...

I dislike how he doesn't know what star wars is. he just calls Empire Strikes Back "that really old movie, on the ice planet"

a nerd like Peter Parker would fucking know Star Wars. that line annoyed me

There's a scene earlier in the movie where he and Ned are building a Lego Death Star, so he definitely knows what Star Wars is.

I took his line about "that really old movie on the ice planet" as being that maybe he thought Tony wouldn't know what he was talking about. I mean, your average person certainly wouldn't know what Hoth or AT-AT are by name if you were to mention them. So he probably thought Tony wouldn't either.

no, it's just supposed to be the movies are old to him. to stark, they aren't. stark gets annoyed because he refrences a lot of movies, and says most of them are really old

Peter was dumbing it down for Tony since Peter couldn't have known if Tony was a movie fan or a Star Wars fan. He also just happened to annoy Tony at the same time by calling him old. Those are not mutually exclusive events. He did both at the same time.

Just think about it for a minute. Tony is the CEO of a large company. That is literally all Peter really knows about Tony. It's difficult for anyone to think of a bigtime CEO like that to be a person who watches movies or Star Wars. Most people's perceptions of a CEO is that of a workaholic who spends all their time working. So Peter was just dumbing it down for him and unintentionally annoyed him at the same time.

rogerskg1979 posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

Zikten posted...

I dislike how he doesn't know what star wars is. he just calls Empire Strikes Back "that really old movie, on the ice planet"

a nerd like Peter Parker would fucking know Star Wars. that line annoyed me

There's a scene earlier in the movie where he and Ned are building a Lego Death Star, so he definitely knows what Star Wars is.

I took his line about "that really old movie on the ice planet" as being that maybe he thought Tony wouldn't know what he was talking about. I mean, your average person certainly wouldn't know what Hoth or AT-AT are by name if you were to mention them. So he probably thought Tony wouldn't either.

no, it's just supposed to be the movies are old to him. to stark, they aren't. stark gets annoyed because he refrences a lot of movies, and says most of them are really old

Peter was dumbing it down for Tony since Peter couldn't have known if Tony was a movie fan or a Star Wars fan. He also just happened to annoy Tony at the same time by calling him old. Those are not mutually exclusive events. He did both at the same time.

Just think about it for a minute. Tony is the CEO of a large company. That is literally all Peter really knows about Tony. It's difficult for anyone to think of a bigtime CEO like that to be a person who watches movies or Star Wars. Most people's perceptions of a CEO is that of a workaholic who spends all their time working. So Peter was just dumbing it down for him and unintentionally annoyed him at the same time.

so peter would think stark is just a workaholic? when stark has been a know billionaire playboy who likes to throw parties?
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

Zikten posted...

I dislike how he doesn't know what star wars is. he just calls Empire Strikes Back "that really old movie, on the ice planet"

a nerd like Peter Parker would fucking know Star Wars. that line annoyed me

There's a scene earlier in the movie where he and Ned are building a Lego Death Star, so he definitely knows what Star Wars is.

I took his line about "that really old movie on the ice planet" as being that maybe he thought Tony wouldn't know what he was talking about. I mean, your average person certainly wouldn't know what Hoth or AT-AT are by name if you were to mention them. So he probably thought Tony wouldn't either.

no, it's just supposed to be the movies are old to him. to stark, they aren't. stark gets annoyed because he refrences a lot of movies, and says most of them are really old

Peter was dumbing it down for Tony since Peter couldn't have known if Tony was a movie fan or a Star Wars fan. He also just happened to annoy Tony at the same time by calling him old. Those are not mutually exclusive events. He did both at the same time.

Just think about it for a minute. Tony is the CEO of a large company. That is literally all Peter really knows about Tony. It's difficult for anyone to think of a bigtime CEO like that to be a person who watches movies or Star Wars. Most people's perceptions of a CEO is that of a workaholic who spends all their time working. So Peter was just dumbing it down for him and unintentionally annoyed him at the same time.

so peter would think stark is just a workaholic? when stark has been a know billionaire playboy who likes to throw parties?

Stark has been an Avenger for most of Peter's life. As a kid he's just gonna see Iron Man, not the history of the man behind him.
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Kimbos_Egg posted...

Okay.

ok?

My second viewing of Homecoming cemented for me just how bad of a person their version of Peter Parker turned out to be.

Don't get me wrong. He's a quippy, nerdy teenager juggling life at home, while being a super hero. That's all good, and a better balance than what was showing during the Raimi trilogy or the Amazing series. But it's its like they took 2 steps forward and 5 steps back!

This depiction of Peter Parker is manipulative, naive, neglectful and dangerously reckless! I understand he isn't an adult just yet, and superhero-ing is hard. But they went waaay overboard depicting the struggle!

First of all, who the hell in their right mind would rip an entire treehouse out of a tree and bring it down in the yard?! What if kids were inside for a sleepover?! We literally just saw kids in the previous yard, staying in a tent in their backyard! Besides that, there were a lot of broken fences, the sandwich shop, and obviously the ferry. I get that it's in order to show he's over his head. And Tony definitely addresses the issue. But it's Peter's almost complete disregard for everything he's done that's so glaringly stupid! He's almost 18! He's a freaking super genius, aspiring to be an Avenger, and has the other responsibilities of a regular teenager. And his response to everything he destroys amounts to "Lol oops my bad but I'm still the good guy." Are you kidding me?!

How about the way he treats his aunt? Scaring her with his lack of presence, repeatedly placing himself in dangerous situations without calling, then having the nerve to get her to drop whatever she's doing to help him?

"Aunt May I'm going to my Homecoming! Dress me up, chop chop!"

"Aunt May drive me to the party!"

We never see him do chores. We never see him do anything nice for her in either this or Civil war. She's a single guardian who presumably lost her husband recently! And Peter treats her like his personal slave.

The last thing I'll bring up is his underhanded manipulation of his supposed "best friend" Ned. All through the movie, Ned does just about anything Peter asks him, and is an all-around bro. So what the hell is up with the whole:

"Come on, Ned, hack into this suit, even though it's obviously wrong and ends up almost killing people! You'll be the guy in the chair. All Ned wants to do is hang out with Peter, and help him. But Peter uses him thr entire time, and does nothing for him in return! What a truck load of garbage!

I think I might be turning into JJ. Homecoming's Spider-Man is a menace! And a complete disservice to the character.
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Best live-action version of the character so far.
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Metalsonic66 posted...

Best live-action version of the character so far.

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Aculo posted...

Kimbos_Egg posted...

Okay.

ok?

shoo, ziggi.
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rogerskg1979 posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

2nd spidey did it several times, but failed in the delivery.

Yeah, a lot of stuff in the Andrew Garfield movies made no sense. For example, the scene where he confronts the man breaking into a car is so horribly done. A man breaks into a car and Spider-Man is already sitting in the back seat. Think about that logically for a minute. The car was locked, so Spider-Man had to literally break into the car first. Then he just sits in the back seat for who knows how long just waiting for someone else to break into the car. What the hell.

Um...what?

I always interpreted it as Spider-Man being there as he breaks into the car, then sneaks in while the criminal isn't looking.
To showcase how sneaky he can be and how damn fast compared to regular humans (similar to the Flash Gordon "fight scene" in the original trilogy, where Peter is literally just standing there, watching Flash's punch in slow motion)

Been a long time so it's hard to remember little details, but I could've sworn there was even a moment after the thief got the car open and seeing Spidey in the backseat where he thinks he hears a noise and looks away.

Flash Thompson.
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rogerskg1979 posted...

i am certainly not the only person to see it that way. Homecoming didn't retcon it.

Nah you are. They were clearly going for a "how old is this kid?" joke.

JCvgluvr posted...

My second viewing of Homecoming cemented for me just how bad of a person their version of Peter Parker turned out to be.

Don't get me wrong. He's a quippy, nerdy teenager juggling life at home, while being a super hero. That's all good, and a better balance than what was showing during the Raimi trilogy or the Amazing series. But it's its like they took 2 steps forward and 5 steps back!

This depiction of Peter Parker is manipulative, naive, neglectful and dangerously reckless! I understand he isn't an adult just yet, and superhero-ing is hard. But they went waaay overboard depicting the struggle!

First of all, who the hell in their right mind would rip an entire treehouse out of a tree and bring it down in the yard?! What if kids were inside for a sleepover?! We literally just saw kids in the previous yard, staying in a tent in their backyard! Besides that, there were a lot of broken fences, the sandwich shop, and obviously the ferry. I get that it's in order to show he's over his head. And Tony definitely addresses the issue. But it's Peter's almost complete disregard for everything he's done that's so glaringly stupid! He's almost 18! He's a freaking super genius, aspiring to be an Avenger, and has the other responsibilities of a regular teenager. And his response to everything he destroys amounts to "Lol oops my bad but I'm still the good guy." Are you kidding me?!

How about the way he treats his aunt? Scaring her with his lack of presence, repeatedly placing himself in dangerous situations without calling, then having the nerve to get her to drop whatever she's doing to help him?

"Aunt May I'm going to my Homecoming! Dress me up, chop chop!"

"Aunt May drive me to the party!"

We never see him do chores. We never see him do anything nice for her in either this or Civil war. She's a single guardian who presumably lost her husband recently! And Peter treats her like his personal slave.

The last thing I'll bring up is his underhanded manipulation of his supposed "best friend" Ned. All through the movie, Ned does just about anything Peter asks him, and is an all-around bro. So what the hell is up with the whole:

"Come on, Ned, hack into this suit, even though it's obviously wrong and ends up almost killing people! You'll be the guy in the chair. All Ned wants to do is hang out with Peter, and help him. But Peter uses him thr entire time, and does nothing for him in return! What a truck load of garbage!

I think I might be turning into JJ. Homecoming's Spider-Man is a menace! And a complete disservice to the character.

You have clearly never read the original comics.

streamofthesky posted...

Um...what?

I always interpreted it as Spider-Man being there as he breaks into the car, then sneaks in while the criminal isn't looking.
To showcase how sneaky he can be and how damn fast compared to regular humans (similar to the Flash Gordon "fight scene" in the original trilogy, where Peter is literally just standing there, watching Flash's punch in slow motion)

Been a long time so it's hard to remember little details, but I could've sworn there was even a moment after the thief got the car open and seeing Spidey in the backseat where he thinks he hears a noise and looks away.

Yes that is exactly what happened.
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SpaceBear_ posted...

Metalsonic66 posted...

Best live-action version of the character so far.

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streamofthesky posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

2nd spidey did it several times, but failed in the delivery.

Yeah, a lot of stuff in the Andrew Garfield movies made no sense. For example, the scene where he confronts the man breaking into a car is so horribly done. A man breaks into a car and Spider-Man is already sitting in the back seat. Think about that logically for a minute. The car was locked, so Spider-Man had to literally break into the car first. Then he just sits in the back seat for who knows how long just waiting for someone else to break into the car. What the hell.

Um...what?

I always interpreted it as Spider-Man being there as he breaks into the car, then sneaks in while the criminal isn't looking.
To showcase how sneaky he can be and how damn fast compared to regular humans (similar to the Flash Gordon "fight scene" in the original trilogy, where Peter is literally just standing there, watching Flash's punch in slow motion)

Been a long time so it's hard to remember little details, but I could've sworn there was even a moment after the thief got the car open and seeing Spidey in the backseat where he thinks he hears a noise and looks away.

That doesn't make sense. Only the driver's door would be unlocked since the thief unlocked it. No matter how fast Spidey is, he isn't going to sneak through that door without the thief noticing.

It's also Flash Thompson, not Flash Gordon. Flash Gordon is someone entirely different. lol

Edit to add: I just found the clip on youtube. The thief looks away while the door is unlocking, but he looks back just as it unlocks. There is literally no way Spider-Man could have sneaked through the driver's door and crawled over the seats into the back without him knowing. The only thing that barely makes any sense is if the back door was unlocked and Spider-Man went in through the back door, but why would just that door be unlocked? The real answer is that is was just a poorly thought out scene in a poorly thought out movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtClC8fslWI" data-time="

VeeVees posted...

SpaceBear_ posted...

Metalsonic66 posted...

Best live-action version of the character so far.

Is that Supaida-Man?!
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Ok, they should have had the thief look away after opening the door. That was poorly shot.
It's a shame, I really liked Garfield and Emma Stone way better than Tobey and Kirsten. But everything else around them was just shit.

And yeah, had the wrong Flash on my mind for some reason, lol

Revelation34 posted...

You have clearly never read the original comics.

Is that honestly the best you could come up with? You simultaneously failed to address a single criticism, while hiding behind an excuse of "lol comics." You realize all your "response" did was make Peter Parker from the comics look worse...right?
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JCvgluvr posted...

Revelation34 posted...

You have clearly never read the original comics.

Is that honestly the best you could come up with? You simultaneously failed to address a single criticism, while hiding behind an excuse of "lol comics." You realize all your "response" did was make Peter Parker from the comics look worse...right?

No it made him look better. They captured the teen Peter Parker perfectly. When he was first starting out. You can only blame yourself for not reading it.
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So what you're saying is the Peter Parker of the comics is also manipulative, dismissive, selfish, and dangerously reckless? And that makes it okay for Homecoming's Peter Parker be the same way?

Yeah ok. They're both jackasses. Got it. LOL!
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JCvgluvr posted...

You simultaneously failed to address a single criticism,

One of your criticisms was that you don't see him doing chores...nothing in your post was worth addressing because they weren't valid criticisms.

From your post you prove that you don't know the character, and you don't understand movies.
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You'd think...if any place existed where I could have in-depth conversation about fictional characters...it would be here.

I guess people would rather get hung up over one part of a greater criticism I pointed out in a flawed character. So productive. But fanboys are gonna fanboy, I suppose.

I'm out. If anyone wants to make an actual attempt to address something...maybe I'll come back.
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rogerskg1979 posted...

streamofthesky posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

2nd spidey did it several times, but failed in the delivery.

Yeah, a lot of stuff in the Andrew Garfield movies made no sense. For example, the scene where he confronts the man breaking into a car is so horribly done. A man breaks into a car and Spider-Man is already sitting in the back seat. Think about that logically for a minute. The car was locked, so Spider-Man had to literally break into the car first. Then he just sits in the back seat for who knows how long just waiting for someone else to break into the car. What the hell.

Um...what?

I always interpreted it as Spider-Man being there as he breaks into the car, then sneaks in while the criminal isn't looking.
To showcase how sneaky he can be and how damn fast compared to regular humans (similar to the Flash Gordon "fight scene" in the original trilogy, where Peter is literally just standing there, watching Flash's punch in slow motion)

Been a long time so it's hard to remember little details, but I could've sworn there was even a moment after the thief got the car open and seeing Spidey in the backseat where he thinks he hears a noise and looks away.

That doesn't make sense. Only the driver's door would be unlocked since the thief unlocked it. No matter how fast Spidey is, he isn't going to sneak through that door without the thief noticing.

It's also Flash Thompson, not Flash Gordon. Flash Gordon is someone entirely different. lol

Edit to add: I just found the clip on youtube. The thief looks away while the door is unlocking, but he looks back just as it unlocks. There is literally no way Spider-Man could have sneaked through the driver's door and crawled over the seats into the back without him knowing. The only thing that barely makes any sense is if the back door was unlocked and Spider-Man went in through the back door, but why would just that door be unlocked? The real answer is that is was just a poorly thought out scene in a poorly thought out movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtClC8fslWI" data-time="

I honestly forgot this scene. Having watched it several times now, the only explanation I could give is that maybe that decoder for the car, which is way more advanced for breaking into a car than necessary, unlocked the whole car and not just the front drivers side door and peter was able to sneak into the back that way.
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maybe he was getting a ride from the guy who owns the car, and was waiting in the back seat while the driver went to grab something.
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Zangulus posted...

One thing I didn't like was Spider-Man's suit. It's freaking high tech. It makes Spiderman less special and unique. He has to rely on technology for the most part instead of his powers. I just thought the new suit was dumb. WTF a drone?

Everyone that goes into the movie disliking it always hammers on this part while wildly missing the point:

A) couldnt control it for shit
B) he actively acted a suit designed by Tony Stark
C) his most epic, and best battle was without the suit.

So yeah.

That's the entire point of the suit. Spiderman is better without it and stops using it.
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Well I'm pretty sure some of the things in the suit are things he invented himself in the comic.
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