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Lil69Leo
06/24/18 5:29:48 PM
#51:


darkknight109 posted...
Game set match?


Ok, name 50 more.
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OhhhJa
06/24/18 6:06:40 PM
#52:


darkknight109 posted...
It seems pretty simple to me - you can refuse service to someone only for things that they are able to change.

For instance, someone does not have a choice on whether or not they are black. Or Asian. Or a woman. Or gay. Or Irish. So you can't refuse service based on those grounds.

Someone absolutely has a choice of whether or not they want to lie in service to a political party. Or help implement strategies that separate children from their parents. Seems OK to me to refuse service on those grounds.

If I go into a bar and act like an a******, insulting the staff and everyone else in the restaurant, they have (and should have) the right to kick me out, because I am responsible for my behaviour.

Arguing that someone can change their political perspective at will is eerily similar to people saying you can choose not to be gay

darkknight109 posted...

--> Controls every branch of government
--> "Second-class citizens"

Which really illustrates how fascist the left has become. They lost the election and somehow republicans still manage to be ejected out of businesses more than any other one protected class. You can argue that they are morally wrong all you want but all that tells me is that you're proclaiming your moral superiority and you're trying to bend people to your will. Sounds fascist to me.

But to add to the argument of the control of the branches of government... are you trying to tell me there isn't a divide between the government and the general populace because all I keep hearing about is how the dems won the popular vote and that Russians bought the election
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OhhhJa
06/24/18 6:09:18 PM
#53:


Lil69Leo posted...
darkknight109 posted...
Game set match?


Ok, name 50 more.

I mean... I can easily name 10 examples of just Republicans getting booted from eastablishmrnts whereas his was one or two examples from separate protected classes
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OhhhJa
06/24/18 6:15:08 PM
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Mr Hangman posted...
I don't hesitate to proclaim moral superiority over people defending concentration camps.

You mean the ones that existed during the Obama administration? As far as I know, there is no forced labor or gas chambers but keep being complete moron about history and sucking the teet of MSM
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OhhhJa
06/24/18 6:18:43 PM
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And how about that time magazine retraction with the child that was never as actually separated from the mother... and the kid was kidnapped according to the father. And how about that photo that everyone was outraged about with the kids in the cage that was actually from 2013
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TheCyborgNinja
06/24/18 6:20:23 PM
#57:


I think any business should be able to refuse anybody on any grounds. The court of public opinion will determine whether or not they will remain operational.
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Mead
06/24/18 6:26:26 PM
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I certainly never would have done that if I were a business owner. But I think they should have the right if that is their choice

I do think its ironic that so many conservatives think its not right that they asked her to leave but are perfectly fine with the same being done to gay people
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myghostisdead
06/24/18 6:31:25 PM
#60:


TheCyborgNinja posted...
I think any business should be able to refuse anybody on any grounds. The court of public opinion will determine whether or not they will remain operational.


I feel the same way. I find Sanders annoying as I do Trump but I have to admit she didn't kick up a stink and her party offered to pay anyway.
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OhhhJa
06/24/18 6:40:54 PM
#61:


Mr Hangman posted...
Neither forced labor nor executions are necessary for a concentration camp to meet its definition.

I feel like its generally a deliberate implied comparison for most people saying this as the nazis are the first group people think of when concentration camps are mentioned

Mr Hangman posted...
You seem to assume I'm pushing some narrative defending Democrats. I condemn them all the same.

Yet I see people blaming this solely on trump when this is really the result of Obama's policies and it was happening when he was on in office yet no leftists will blame him at all. Its disingenuous
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lihlih
06/24/18 6:58:21 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
Mr Hangman posted...
When you're making excuses for concentration camps on national television, you've crossed a line from reasonable disagreement into something else. This isn't petty politics anymore.


These "concentration camps" have been under the orders of the Obama administration.

Every video that surfaced online from those, that they accused Trump of doing, has been from 2013 and 2014.


This stupid argument again. Under Obama's orders, only kids that were traveling alone were put there, and only for a brief amount of time. 80% of kids that were in there got reunited with their parents, and the other 20% where the parents or guardians couldn't be located were put into foster homes and the like.
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darkknight109
06/24/18 6:59:43 PM
#64:


OhhhJa posted...
Arguing that someone can change their political perspective at will is eerily similar to people saying you can choose not to be gay

And if you read back through this topic, you'll note that I said that ejecting people based solely on their political beliefs was dumb. People are allowed to do it (because, yes, you can choose to change your politics), and I'm not suggesting they shouldn't be allowed, but it's still dumb.

That said, you seem to be waffling on this. Earlier you said you support the right of businesses to refuse service, like the baker did for the gay wedding, and now you seem to be suggesting that such treatment of conservatives by liberals constitutes relegating them to "second-class citizen" status (while strangely omitting minorities from that characterization, despite the fact I just provided ample evidence it's happening to them too, and at much greater rates than it's happening to conservatives). You need to decide whether you're supporting this sort of treatment or not.

OhhhJa posted...
Which really illustrates how fascist the left has become.

An awfully bold claim from someone whose president just suggested that the solution to the immigration crisis was to remove border-crossers without trial or charge.

OhhhJa posted...
They lost the election and somehow republicans still manage to be ejected out of businesses more than any other one protected class.

Do you really want to go down this road? Because I can guarantee that for every story you can post about a Republican official getting tossed out of an establishment, I can match you with a conservative being the one doing the tossing (which is a pretty grim statistic even before you realise that the latter is illegal and the former isn't, as well as the facts that conservatives dwarf minorities in terms of numbers).

OhhhJa posted...
You can argue that they are morally wrong all you want but all that tells me is that you're proclaiming your moral superiority and you're trying to bend people to your will. Sounds fascist to me.

Yet earlier in this topic you said you agreed that the baker should have the right to refuse service to gay people, which he did purely on moral grounds.

So, pairing that with this post here, I guess - in your own words - you support fascism?

OhhhJa posted...
I mean... I can easily name 10 examples of just Republicans getting booted from eastablishmrnts

Then do so. With sources, please.

OhhhJa posted...
whereas his was one or two examples from separate protected classes

Because that's what was asked for.

OhhhJa posted...
But to add to the argument of the control of the branches of government... are you trying to tell me there isn't a divide between the government and the general populace because all I keep hearing about is how the dems won the popular vote and that Russians bought the election

So you're saying that the Republican government is not representing the people and their wishes?

Just want to make sure I'm correctly understanding what you're saying here before I respond to this.

(for the record, talking about the divide between citizens and government isn't a great argument here, because Sanders isn't a citizen - she's a member of the government, and a fairly visible one at that).
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darkknight109
06/24/18 6:59:46 PM
#65:


OhhhJa posted...
And how about that time magazine retraction with the child that was never as actually separated from the mother... and the kid was kidnapped according to the father. And how about that photo that everyone was outraged about with the kids in the cage that was actually from 2013

Saying "how about" instead of "what about" doesn't stop it from being whataboutism, you know.

But to address this, this argument isn't the winner you seem to think it is.

For one, the kid wasn't kidnapped. The father said he didn't support the wife taking the kid across the border, but - his own words here - "It was her decision at the end of the day."

For two, most of the media outlets that ran the picture of the crying girl correctly reported the facts - that mother and daughter were taken away together and that was the last that was seen of them. The story that accompanied the picture - the testimony of the photographer - had him musing about their fate and speculating that they were probably separated based on the new Trump policies, but all of the reporting I personally read on the subject correctly characterized that as the photographer's own thoughts, not ironclad facts. Time, admittedly, did not and was forced to issue a correction.

For three, and most important, none of what you said actually changes anything. The fact that Crying Girl wasn't actually separated from her mother doesn't change the fact that thousands of others were (and still are). The fact that one of the images of kids in cages was actually from the Obama years doesn't change the fact that there are dozens more out there of kids in cages from this year - including some released by the administration itself! The fact that some kids were separated from their parents during Obama's crackdown on the border does not change the fact that Trump and Jeff Sessions sought a much tougher crackdown and that it was they - not Obama, not the Democrats, and not the law - who made the decision to stop prioritizing the deportation of felons and instead treat everyone who crossed the border the same, thus leading to a spike in the number of family separations.
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Blightzkrieg
06/24/18 7:04:00 PM
#66:


Why are you even talking to someone who defended kidnapping children up until and after the entirety of the GoP condemned it.

He doesn't understand politics enough to even argue with his own side.
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SkynyrdRocker
06/24/18 7:05:25 PM
#67:


Guys remember that OhhhJa is basically on ICOYAR's level of political arguing. Don't waste your time with him.
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JixHedgehog
06/24/18 7:26:16 PM
#68:


Legally - yes, they have the right to kick anyone out/refuse service

Morally - nope
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OhhhJa
06/24/18 7:52:41 PM
#69:


darkknight109 posted...
That said, you seem to be waffling on this. Earlier you said you support the right of businesses to refuse service, like the baker did for the gay wedding, and now you seem to be suggesting that such treatment of conservatives by liberals constitutes relegating them to "second-class citizen" status (while strangely omitting minorities from that characterization, despite the fact I just provided ample evidence it's happening to them too, and at much greater rates than it's happening to conservatives). You need to decide whether you're supporting this sort of treatment or not.

Merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the left for choosing who it's ok to decide to serve.

darkknight109 posted...

Saying "how about" instead of "what about" doesn't stop it from being whataboutism, you know.

But to address this, this argument isn't the winner you seem to think it is.

For one, the kid wasn't kidnapped. The father said he didn't support the wife taking the kid across the border, but - his own words here - "It was her decision at the end of the day."

For two, most of the media outlets that ran the picture of the crying girl correctly reported the facts - that mother and daughter were taken away together and that was the last that was seen of them. The story that accompanied the picture - the testimony of the photographer - had him musing about their fate and speculating that they were probably separated based on the new Trump policies, but all of the reporting I personally read on the subject correctly characterized that as the photographer's own thoughts, not ironclad facts. Time, admittedly, did not and was forced to issue a correction.

For three, and most important, none of what you said actually changes anything. The fact that Crying Girl wasn't actually separated from her mother doesn't change the fact that thousands of others were (and still are). The fact that one of the images of kids in cages was actually from the Obama years doesn't change the fact that there are dozens more out there of kids in cages from this year - including some released by the administration itself! The fact that some kids were separated from their parents during Obama's crackdown on the border does not change the fact that Trump and Jeff Sessions sought a much tougher crackdown and that it was they - not Obama, not the Democrats, and not the law - who made the decision to stop prioritizing the deportation of felons and instead treat everyone who crossed the border the same, thus leading to a spike in the number of family separations. It is they who are petitioning for the right to jail families indefinitely and it is they who are doing their best to remove valid asylum reasons from the acceptable list of applications in order to reduce the number of immigrant families they have to let in. You can't pin any of that on Obama, because it is entirely a Trumpian creation, and moreover, one that he brags about at every opportunity.

And while I agree with you that we should lighten up on illegal immigration as it really isn't a real problem in my mind, you will continue to pretend this is exclusively a trump issue and will place no blame on Obama being the partisan guy that you are.

SkynyrdRocker posted...
Guys remember that OhhhJa is basically on ICOYAR's level of political arguing. Don't waste your time with him.


Yet the most substantial political post I've seen you make is along the lines of the one you just made. If you dont have anything to say except comparisons to people you disagree with then maybe keep your mouth shut.
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SkynyrdRocker
06/24/18 8:15:18 PM
#70:


Make me, bitch boy
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OhhhJa
06/24/18 8:20:30 PM
#71:


SkynyrdRocker posted...
Make me, bitch boy

Ha how embarrassing
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Lil69Leo
06/24/18 8:22:37 PM
#72:


SkynyrdRocker posted...
Guys remember that OhhhJa is basically on ICOYAR's level of political arguing. Don't waste your time with him.


And called black people the monkey emoji.
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Lil69Leo
06/24/18 8:23:43 PM
#73:


JixHedgehog posted...
Morally - nope


I wouldn't want a piece of shit involved in all the crappy things in my place either. I think its morally justified.
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Mead
06/24/18 8:35:33 PM
#74:


Lil69Leo posted...
SkynyrdRocker posted...
Guys remember that OhhhJa is basically on ICOYAR's level of political arguing. Don't waste your time with him.


And called black people the monkey emoji.

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Shirikodama
06/24/18 8:36:04 PM
#75:


No, they should've fed her and constantly remind her she's human garbage.
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Shirikodama
06/24/18 8:36:52 PM
#76:


Mead posted...
Lil69Leo posted...
SkynyrdRocker posted...
Guys remember that OhhhJa is basically on ICOYAR's level of political arguing. Don't waste your time with him.


And called black people the monkey emoji.

This true? Wtf.
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Mead
06/24/18 8:36:56 PM
#77:


Shirikodama posted...
No, they should've fed her and constantly remind her she's human garbage.


Whoa I didnt realize she had gone to a Jack in the Box
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darkknight109
06/24/18 8:37:42 PM
#78:


OhhhJa posted...
Merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the left for choosing who it's ok to decide to serve.

Except I don't see any hypocrisy.

The prevailing view I've seen on the left is that it's OK to refuse service to people, except for if you're refusing them on grounds of things they cannot change (race, sexual orientation, etc.). I can't say I have seen anything where the left is complaining about someone being denied service, except if it falls into one of those categories.

And, again, you vary in your posts as to whether you say it's not OK for people to refuse service (as you did when you say that it's "fascist" for people to refuse service on moral grounds) or whether it's totally fine (as you did when you said you agreed that the Colorado baker should be allowed to refuse service on moral grounds). About the only difference I can see in your opinions is whether the conservatives are the ones being booted or the ones doing the booting.

OhhhJa posted...
And while I agree with you that we should lighten up on illegal immigration as it really isn't a real problem in my mind, you will continue to pretend this is exclusively a trump issue and will place no blame on Obama being the partisan guy that you are.

I'm not putting any blame on Obama for the current situation because I've yet to see anyone put forth a reason as to why there's any blame to be so placed. If you have some, do share.

I mean, what am I supposed to be blaming Obama for? That kids were separated from parents back then too? Sure they were, but only for as long as it took to verify that they were travelling with their parents (typically a few days tops). That kids were housed in detainment facilities? They were, but only in the case of unaccompanied minors (which, unlike under Trump, represented those who were truly crossing the border alone, not just those who had been separated from their parents and thus had been made unaccompanied). That people got deported then too? They did, but Obama ordered that the focus be on gang members, violent felons, and those with criminal records; if you didn't fit into one of those categories, you were a lower priority, which makes sense to me. That he allowed a swarm of illegal immigration, thus necessitating the current crackdown? That's simply not true - the estimated illegal immigrant population actually went down over the course of Obama's presidency, from a high of 12.2 million in 2008 when he took office to a low of 11.2 million in 2012, where it would remain relatively stagnant for the rest of his presidency (2016 estimated illegal immigrant population was 11.3 million). To be perfectly fair, a lot of that decrease was likely due to the Great Recession, but the point remains that Obama didn't oversee an explosion in illegal immigration, much as some conservative talking heads seem to like to pretend otherwise.

If Trump went back to doing things the same way Obama did, you wouldn't hear me complaining. While it was far from perfect and there was room for improvement, it seemed to me to be an eminently fair way of dealing with a complicated problem to which there are no easy answers.
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Shirikodama
06/24/18 8:39:58 PM
#79:


Mead posted...
Shirikodama posted...
No, they should've fed her and constantly remind her she's human garbage.


Whoa I didnt realize she had gone to a Jack in the Box

https://goo.gl/images/7VLuJ2
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Jen0125
06/24/18 8:45:11 PM
#80:


I thought OhhhJa could find a bunch of examples of his point but he glossed over that part.
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OhhhJa
06/24/18 8:45:59 PM
#81:


Shirikodama posted...
Mead posted...
Lil69Leo posted...
SkynyrdRocker posted...
Guys remember that OhhhJa is basically on ICOYAR's level of political arguing. Don't waste your time with him.


And called black people the monkey emoji.

This true? Wtf.

Its not. Its something taken extremely out of context. I've been over this numerous times but it's just easier for people that disagree with me to disregard valid arguments I make. I have no racist beliefs. I dont believe white people are better than any other race in any way
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Jen0125
06/24/18 8:46:22 PM
#82:


It wasn't taken out of context.
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OhhhJa
06/24/18 8:47:13 PM
#83:


Jen0125 posted...
It wasn't taken out of context.

Yes it was. You're just being dishonest. But I guess it isn't enough that I'm here saying that white people are not superior in any way
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Shirikodama
06/24/18 8:48:30 PM
#84:


OhhhJa posted...
Shirikodama posted...
Mead posted...
Lil69Leo posted...
SkynyrdRocker posted...
Guys remember that OhhhJa is basically on ICOYAR's level of political arguing. Don't waste your time with him.


And called black people the monkey emoji.

This true? Wtf.

Its not. Its something taken extremely out of context. I've been over this numerous times but it's just easier for people that disagree with me to disregard valid arguments I make. I have no racist beliefs. I dont believe white people are better than any other race in any way

What exactly was said?
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OhhhJa
06/24/18 8:54:23 PM
#85:


Shirikodama posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Shirikodama posted...
Mead posted...
Lil69Leo posted...
SkynyrdRocker posted...
Guys remember that OhhhJa is basically on ICOYAR's level of political arguing. Don't waste your time with him.


And called black people the monkey emoji.

This true? Wtf.

Its not. Its something taken extremely out of context. I've been over this numerous times but it's just easier for people that disagree with me to disregard valid arguments I make. I have no racist beliefs. I dont believe white people are better than any other race in any way

What exactly was said?

The actual thing that was said is that I find black girls attractive and I used a startled monkey emoji with its hands over its mouth which I explained is an emoji that I have used often for saying something that I think people might find surprising. I realize the context made it seem bad and explained that I understand why people might have thought I was being racist in that context (and I even apologized for the mistake) but that was not my intention. Now they use it as some kind of trump card when they cant honestly intellectually debate me
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Mead
06/24/18 8:59:40 PM
#86:


Shirikodama posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Shirikodama posted...
Mead posted...
Lil69Leo posted...
SkynyrdRocker posted...
Guys remember that OhhhJa is basically on ICOYAR's level of political arguing. Don't waste your time with him.


And called black people the monkey emoji.

This true? Wtf.

Its not. Its something taken extremely out of context. I've been over this numerous times but it's just easier for people that disagree with me to disregard valid arguments I make. I have no racist beliefs. I dont believe white people are better than any other race in any way

What exactly was said?


He made a disparaging joke about black people and ended the sentence with the monkey emoji. Simple as that.
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Jen0125
06/24/18 9:33:36 PM
#87:


I've never seen him use that emoji before and I've never seen him use it since in any context.
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OhhhJa
06/24/18 9:46:23 PM
#88:


Jen0125 posted...
I've never seen him use that emoji before and I've never seen him use it since in any context.

Well, I know it may sound crazy but you guys aren't the only people I talk to. Also, why would I use it here now when you guys would immediately jump down my throat if I did no matter the context?
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Mead
06/24/18 9:49:22 PM
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Circled post is the one he ended with the monkey emoji

https://imgur.com/ylFsNnM
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SirPikachu
06/24/18 9:58:03 PM
#90:


Eh, kinda. Not really, but it's their place, they can have or not have anyone they want in there. But I'm sure if it was somebody like, I dunno, one of Hillary's campaign people getting kicked out of somewhere, the same people saying it was ok for Sarah to be kicked out would be outraged.

If it's a more private business, where the owners are working there, I say it's ok for them to choose who comes in, although it's kinda dumb. If it's somewhere like McDonald's or Burger King, no. I would consider those public places.
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OhhhJa
06/24/18 10:06:03 PM
#91:


Mead posted...
Circled post is the one he ended with the monkey emoji

https://imgur.com/ylFsNnM

Which was clearly a lighthearted joke based on a famous pop culture reference for white dudes liking black girls... but I didn't realize living in the jungle was generally considered an inferior lifestyle anyway but I guess the far left views their white suburban lifestyle as superior to everyone else's
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darkknight109
06/24/18 11:38:34 PM
#92:


OhhhJa posted...
Mead posted...
Circled post is the one he ended with the monkey emoji

https://imgur.com/ylFsNnM

Which was clearly a lighthearted joke based on a famous pop culture reference for white dudes liking black girls... but I didn't realize living in the jungle was generally considered an inferior lifestyle anyway but I guess the far left views their white suburban lifestyle as superior to everyone else's

....you honestly don't see the problem with the phrase "jungle fever" and the implication that black people live in jungles?

Really? Really?
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PuddingBoy
06/24/18 11:39:55 PM
#93:


darkknight109 posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Mead posted...
Circled post is the one he ended with the monkey emoji

https://imgur.com/ylFsNnM

Which was clearly a lighthearted joke based on a famous pop culture reference for white dudes liking black girls... but I didn't realize living in the jungle was generally considered an inferior lifestyle anyway but I guess the far left views their white suburban lifestyle as superior to everyone else's

....you honestly don't see the problem with the phrase "jungle fever" and the implication that black people live in jungles?

Really? Really?

He obviously does but doesnt give a shit cause mods here let people be openly racist all the time
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Mead
06/25/18 12:01:20 AM
#94:


darkknight109 posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Mead posted...
Circled post is the one he ended with the monkey emoji

https://imgur.com/ylFsNnM

Which was clearly a lighthearted joke based on a famous pop culture reference for white dudes liking black girls... but I didn't realize living in the jungle was generally considered an inferior lifestyle anyway but I guess the far left views their white suburban lifestyle as superior to everyone else's

....you honestly don't see the problem with the phrase "jungle fever" and the implication that black people live in jungles?

Really? Really?


Pretty much him in a nutshell
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SkynyrdRocker
06/25/18 12:07:39 AM
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Lol NKL. The mod probably agreed with me
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OhhhJa
06/25/18 12:39:38 AM
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You guys are so obnoxiously over the top. That is not what I was implying you fucking raging sjws
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OhhhJa
06/25/18 12:42:27 AM
#97:


Figured of speech are sometimes just that. There isn't always some deeper implication. I obviously don't think black people all live in jungles. Many are in fact doctors, businessman, and scientists and are more successful than any of us here but keep raging over some dumb, trivial joke instead of being normal people
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darkknight109
06/25/18 1:05:07 AM
#98:


OhhhJa posted...
Figured of speech are sometimes just that. There isn't always some deeper implication.

Sure. And I can dress up in a white robe and hood and run around waving a confederate flag and also claim that I didn't mean any harm and I love black people and don't understand why everyone finds my bedsheets so offensive.

At some point the symbol becomes the message. If you don't understand what's wrong with using a phrase like "jungle fever" and a monkey emoji when talking about black people - even if said in jest - I don't think there's much I can do to help you.
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helIy
06/25/18 1:28:54 AM
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hey look it's natemac being openly racist again
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OhhhJa
06/25/18 2:40:04 AM
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Ahhh messageboard people... never change
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