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Mr_Biscuit
06/18/18 4:21:02 PM
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Im hearing...

1) its a deterrent, dont break the law if you cant deal with consequences, libs want people to go unpunished because of their feelings, Trump is finally upholding the law

2) its a terrible tragedy and crime against humanity, but its a democrat policy which Trump is powerless to stop

3) the Bible says its okay

4) it isnt happening/happened worse under Obama

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BWLurker
06/18/18 4:23:34 PM
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To the Trump apologists, MAGA means Minority Americans:Go Away
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Mr_Biscuit
06/18/18 4:26:53 PM
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BWLurker posted...
To the Trump apologists, MAGA means Minority Americans:Go Away

No you dont understand its Obamas fault but also its a great law but also its not

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Mr_Biscuit
06/18/18 4:44:34 PM
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PanzerElite
06/18/18 4:45:38 PM
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Mr_Biscuit posted...
1) its a deterrent, dont break the law if you cant deal with consequences, libs want people to go unpunished because of their feelings, Trump is finally upholding the law

What's wrong about this?
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Mr_Biscuit
06/18/18 4:49:00 PM
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PanzerElite posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
1) its a deterrent, dont break the law if you cant deal with consequences, libs want people to go unpunished because of their feelings, Trump is finally upholding the law

What's wrong about this?


My point is that it runs against this:

Mr_Biscuit posted...

2) its a terrible tragedy and crime against humanity, but its a democrat policy which Trump is powerless to stop

4) it isnt happening/happened worse under Obama


Is it okay or not? Trump says no. If you think its okay and also disagree with Trump that it needs to change/is the dems fault, then at least thats consistent I guess.
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eggcorn
06/18/18 4:51:13 PM
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Mr_Biscuit posted...
PanzerElite posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
1) its a deterrent, dont break the law if you cant deal with consequences, libs want people to go unpunished because of their feelings, Trump is finally upholding the law

What's wrong about this?


My point is that it runs against this:

Mr_Biscuit posted...

2) its a terrible tragedy and crime against humanity, but its a democrat policy which Trump is powerless to stop

4) it isnt happening/happened worse under Obama


Is it okay or not? Trump says no. If you think its okay and also disagree with Trump that it needs to change/is the dems fault, then at least thats consistent I guess.

So your problem is that people have different opinions.
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Mr_Biscuit
06/18/18 4:54:20 PM
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eggcorn posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
PanzerElite posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
1) its a deterrent, dont break the law if you cant deal with consequences, libs want people to go unpunished because of their feelings, Trump is finally upholding the law

What's wrong about this?


My point is that it runs against this:

Mr_Biscuit posted...

2) its a terrible tragedy and crime against humanity, but its a democrat policy which Trump is powerless to stop

4) it isnt happening/happened worse under Obama


Is it okay or not? Trump says no. If you think its okay and also disagree with Trump that it needs to change/is the dems fault, then at least thats consistent I guess.

So your problem is that people have different opinions.

My problem is that Im looking for some consistency from the right on whether this is a good policy or a bad one. Im hearing both, often from the same people. If Panzer is fully this policy is totally fine, I disagree with Trump about wanting to change it, I might super duper disagree but at least hes not a hypocrite.
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IronWolf87
06/18/18 4:56:49 PM
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I don't really get all the obfuscation from the right on this. They know the optics are bad, will always be bad and there is nothing they can say to change that. So why not just relax and embrace the policy which they so clearly enjoy?
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Mr_Biscuit
06/18/18 5:43:28 PM
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IronWolf87 posted...
I don't really get all the obfuscation from the right on this. They know the optics are bad, will always be bad and there is nothing they can say to change that. So why not just relax and embrace the policy which they so clearly enjoy?

I think theyre trying to have it both ways, which is kinda my point.

Talking point 1: they have it coming appeals to hardcore law and order types who dont care how anyone who breaks a law is treated and white supremacists (disclaimer: I am not saying these are necessarily the same people)

Talking point 2: its a terrible thing that the Dems have done and we are at their mercy appeals to older, family values Christian voters who are disturbed by mothers being separated from children but dont care to/dont know how to fact-check this
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TommyG663513
06/18/18 5:45:55 PM
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eggcorn posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
PanzerElite posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
1) its a deterrent, dont break the law if you cant deal with consequences, libs want people to go unpunished because of their feelings, Trump is finally upholding the law

What's wrong about this?


My point is that it runs against this:

Mr_Biscuit posted...

2) its a terrible tragedy and crime against humanity, but its a democrat policy which Trump is powerless to stop

4) it isnt happening/happened worse under Obama


Is it okay or not? Trump says no. If you think its okay and also disagree with Trump that it needs to change/is the dems fault, then at least thats consistent I guess.

So your problem is that people have different opinions.


Wow that is a nice deflection
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Mr_Biscuit
06/18/18 6:18:12 PM
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IronWolf87
06/18/18 6:21:07 PM
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Mr_Biscuit posted...
IronWolf87 posted...
I don't really get all the obfuscation from the right on this. They know the optics are bad, will always be bad and there is nothing they can say to change that. So why not just relax and embrace the policy which they so clearly enjoy?

I think theyre trying to have it both ways, which is kinda my point.

Talking point 1: they have it coming appeals to hardcore law and order types who dont care how anyone who breaks a law is treated and white supremacists (disclaimer: I am not saying these are necessarily the same people)

Talking point 2: its a terrible thing that the Dems have done and we are at their mercy appeals to older, family values Christian voters who are disturbed by mothers being separated from children but dont care to/dont know how to fact-check this


That makes sense, but I'm thinking more in terms of like CE or GFAQS in general. The real reason the trumpists here like this policy is it hurts minorities - and we all know that. So rather than try to appeal to types that probably aren't on this website and certainly aren't convincing anyone, why not just embrace it for what it is?
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Mr_Biscuit
06/18/18 6:37:55 PM
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IronWolf87 posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
IronWolf87 posted...
I don't really get all the obfuscation from the right on this. They know the optics are bad, will always be bad and there is nothing they can say to change that. So why not just relax and embrace the policy which they so clearly enjoy?

I think theyre trying to have it both ways, which is kinda my point.

Talking point 1: they have it coming appeals to hardcore law and order types who dont care how anyone who breaks a law is treated and white supremacists (disclaimer: I am not saying these are necessarily the same people)

Talking point 2: its a terrible thing that the Dems have done and we are at their mercy appeals to older, family values Christian voters who are disturbed by mothers being separated from children but dont care to/dont know how to fact-check this


That makes sense, but I'm thinking more in terms of like CE or GFAQS in general. The real reason the trumpists here like this policy is it hurts minorities - and we all know that. So rather than try to appeal to types that probably aren't on this website and certainly aren't convincing anyone, why not just embrace it for what it is?

Thats a real good question.

To be, uh... fair (?), the majority of defense Ive seen from these people on CE has been they deserve it, so thats consistent, but theres definitely been some this is Obamas fault! too. Its weird. Then again, they may not be the same people.

Which just goes to show the Trump admin talking out both sides of their mouth in effect.
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eggcorn
06/18/18 7:07:40 PM
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TommyG663513 posted...
eggcorn posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
PanzerElite posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
1) its a deterrent, dont break the law if you cant deal with consequences, libs want people to go unpunished because of their feelings, Trump is finally upholding the law

What's wrong about this?


My point is that it runs against this:

Mr_Biscuit posted...

2) its a terrible tragedy and crime against humanity, but its a democrat policy which Trump is powerless to stop

4) it isnt happening/happened worse under Obama


Is it okay or not? Trump says no. If you think its okay and also disagree with Trump that it needs to change/is the dems fault, then at least thats consistent I guess.

So your problem is that people have different opinions.


Wow that is a nice deflection

How is that a deflection if I have no opinion on the matter.
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Coffeebeanz
06/18/18 7:09:34 PM
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Trump is a piece of shit and if Democrats hadn't been so insufferably smug for the previous eight years, maybe he could have been avoided.
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SBAndross
06/18/18 7:11:00 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Trump is a piece of shit and if Democrats hadn't been so insufferably smug for the previous eight years, maybe he could have been avoided.

Republicans would have hated Obama even if Dems weren't smug about it
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Coffeebeanz
06/18/18 7:12:02 PM
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SBAndross posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Trump is a piece of shit and if Democrats hadn't been so insufferably smug for the previous eight years, maybe he could have been avoided.

Republicans would have hated Obama even if Dems weren't smug about it


Yeah but Republicans would've had less of the "fuck those guys for telling me how to vote" vote.
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SBAndross
06/18/18 7:12:07 PM
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Mr_Biscuit posted...
2) its a terrible tragedy and crime against humanity, but its a democrat policy which Trump is powerless to stop

This is my favorite. Wasn't one of Trump's promises that he would undo all Democrat laws and policies?

this whole "wah wah, the Dems made me do it!" is so fucking... I can't even
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A_Good_Boy
06/18/18 7:12:15 PM
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I really don't understand how anyone swallows the bit about it being the Democrats fault that Trump is following this policy. Throughout his term as president, Trump has accomplished pretty much nothing but rolling back each and every policy of Obama's from his presidency that he could uncover and get his hands on. How is it that out of everything Trump has torn up and walked out on, this is the one policy that has his hands tied?
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Mr_Biscuit
06/18/18 7:13:15 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Trump is a piece of shit and if Democrats hadn't been so insufferably smug for the previous eight years, maybe he could have been avoided.

The Democrats made us commit crimes against humanity because they were smug
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Coffeebeanz
06/18/18 7:14:00 PM
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Mr_Biscuit posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Trump is a piece of shit and if Democrats hadn't been so insufferably smug for the previous eight years, maybe he could have been avoided.

The Democrats made us commit crimes against humanity because they were smug


Excuse me what
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SBAndross
06/18/18 7:15:17 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Excuse me what

Pretty much what you're saying, yeah.

Everything is the Democrats' fault. Even when Republicans do it, it's somehow the Democrats' fault.
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Mr_Biscuit
06/18/18 7:16:25 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
I really don't understand how anyone swallows the bit about it being the Democrats fault that Trump is following this policy. Throughout his term as president, Trump has accomplished pretty much nothing but rolling back each and every policy of Obama's from his presidency that he could uncover and get his hands on. How is it that out of everything Trump has torn up and walked out on, this is the one policy that has his hands tied?

Convenience, hearing what you want to hear, etc
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Coffeebeanz
06/18/18 7:17:52 PM
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SBAndross posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Excuse me what

Pretty much what you're saying, yeah.

Everything is the Democrats' fault. Even when Republicans do it, it's somehow the Democrats' fault.


Hey man, I didn't lose to Donald Trump.

That's inexcusable level overconfidence mixed with the worst campaigning ever.
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A_Good_Boy
06/18/18 7:18:30 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
SBAndross posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Excuse me what

Pretty much what you're saying, yeah.

Everything is the Democrats' fault. Even when Republicans do it, it's somehow the Democrats' fault.


Hey man, I didn't lose to Donald Trump.

Take your meds.
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CanuckCowboy
06/18/18 7:19:47 PM
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PanzerElite posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
1) its a deterrent, dont break the law if you cant deal with consequences, libs want people to go unpunished because of their feelings, Trump is finally upholding the law

What's wrong about this?

PanzerElite posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
1) its a deterrent, dont break the law if you cant deal with consequences, libs want people to go unpunished because of their feelings, Trump is finally upholding the law

What's wrong about this?


Nothing assuming you support punishing innocent children and using them as a pawns instead of having actual good policy.
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Coffeebeanz
06/18/18 7:22:11 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
PanzerElite posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
1) its a deterrent, dont break the law if you cant deal with consequences, libs want people to go unpunished because of their feelings, Trump is finally upholding the law

What's wrong about this?

PanzerElite posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
1) its a deterrent, dont break the law if you cant deal with consequences, libs want people to go unpunished because of their feelings, Trump is finally upholding the law

What's wrong about this?


Nothing assuming you support punishing innocent children and using them as a pawns instead of having actual good policy.


rOmF0Bf

I can't believe Trump is promoting this
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catboy0_0
06/18/18 7:22:14 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Take your meds.

thanks for the reminder kind sir
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Mr_Biscuit
06/19/18 9:11:07 AM
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averagejoel
06/19/18 9:20:27 AM
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eggcorn posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
eggcorn posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
PanzerElite posted...
Mr_Biscuit posted...
1) its a deterrent, dont break the law if you cant deal with consequences, libs want people to go unpunished because of their feelings, Trump is finally upholding the law

What's wrong about this?


My point is that it runs against this:

Mr_Biscuit posted...

2) its a terrible tragedy and crime against humanity, but its a democrat policy which Trump is powerless to stop

4) it isnt happening/happened worse under Obama


Is it okay or not? Trump says no. If you think its okay and also disagree with Trump that it needs to change/is the dems fault, then at least thats consistent I guess.

So your problem is that people have different opinions.


Wow that is a nice deflection

How is that a deflection if I have no opinion on the matter.

do you think child concentration camps are bad? if so, then you have an opineon on the matter.

I hope you have an opinion on the matter
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Mr_Biscuit
06/19/18 9:25:02 AM
#33:


shockthemonkey posted...
Its the same thing they do for everything - throw out 40 different deflections and watch as different excuses stick with different people. Its all deliberate.

Yeah. Its just fucking insane to see it in action and that people are dumb enough to hear all these conflicting arguments and just going Choose Your Own Adventure on an excuse.
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SmidgeIsntBack
06/19/18 1:09:49 PM
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"they aren't cages" is my favorite. Breitbart called them steel partitions or some shit.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
06/19/18 1:14:30 PM
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5) all those kids are sex trafficking victims and/or have had their lives ruined by their parents, so this situation is the least of their problems.

(This was shitposted in another topic I just saw)
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Mr_Biscuit
06/19/18 1:39:45 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
5) all those kids are sex trafficking victims and/or have had their lives ruined by their parents, so this situation is the least of their problems.

(This was shitposted in another topic I just saw)

yeesh
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