Board 8 > Terminator 6 with young John Conner to ignore everything post-2

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06/08/18 8:32:41 PM
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https://www.screengeek.net/2018/06/07/terminator-6-young-john-connor/

Apparently set at least partly in the 90s.

This is possibly the series with the most stupid chronology and retcons. I guess Alien might beat it if you count the AvP movies.
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Jakyl25
06/08/18 8:59:19 PM
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No, its still Terminator.
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Nelson_Mandela
06/08/18 9:07:13 PM
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Weird that there hasnt been a good terminator movie in nearly 30 years but this series somehow still has fans
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06/08/18 9:08:05 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Weird that there hasnt been a good terminator movie in nearly 30 years but this series somehow still has fans


T2 is REALLY good
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StifledSilence
06/08/18 9:10:06 PM
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The TV show was fantastic.

And honestly the movies after T2 aren't that bad if you don't think about them too much. Good action movies at least.
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CoolCly
06/08/18 9:11:57 PM
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goddamn what a mess of a series this is

it hinges on time travel to begin with so that means even if every movie was actually good and coherent and made sense it'd be tough to keep track of what's what after a bunch of movies

and instead we have..... what we have. good lord.
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Jakyl25
06/08/18 9:12:51 PM
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Did Terminator create the sent back in time to change the future trope?

I feel like time travel tales before then were mostly just the protagonist going on an adventure
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WazzupGenius00
06/08/18 9:12:52 PM
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Hasnt literally every movie post-2 ignored everything else post-2
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Jakyl25
06/08/18 9:14:29 PM
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Will this canonically erase Triple H vs Sting?
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06/08/18 9:14:42 PM
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WazzupGenius00 posted...
Hasnt literally every movie post-2 ignored everything else post-2

Yes, and also the TV series did this as well. They should just accept that this series doesn't need to continue forever.
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redrocket
06/08/18 9:20:05 PM
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This is possibly the series with the most stupid chronology and retcons. I guess Alien might beat it if you count the AvP movies.


I dunno, even without AvP I think Prometheus and Alien: Covenant might be enough to give Terminator a run for its money.
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Nelson_Mandela
06/08/18 9:22:14 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Did Terminator create the sent back in time to change the future trope?

I feel like time travel tales before then were mostly just the protagonist going on an adventure

I can't think of anything else where it was a mission like that
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06/08/18 9:25:44 PM
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redrocket posted...
I dunno, even without AvP I think Prometheus and Alien: Covenant might be enough to give Terminator a run for its money.

Nothing is going to beat how convoluted Genysis is, though.
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redrocket
06/08/18 9:29:40 PM
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Terminator is more convoluted for sure. But I think Alien might just be more stupid.
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Nelson_Mandela
06/08/18 9:34:09 PM
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Terminator is infinitely more fucked than Alien. It's not even close. I would say it's the kingdom hearts of film but I still don't understand if KH has plotholes or if it's just needlessly convoluted.
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06/08/18 9:41:43 PM
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This is possibly the series with the most stupid chronology and retcons. I guess Alien might beat it if you count the AvP movies.


Halloween?
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TheRock1525
06/08/18 9:42:34 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Terminator is infinitely more fucked than Alien. It's not even close. I would say it's the kingdom hearts of film but I still don't understand if KH has plotholes or if it's just needlessly convoluted.


I understand Kingdom Hearts better than Terminator.
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redrocket
06/08/18 9:46:53 PM
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Menji posted...
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This is possibly the series with the most stupid chronology and retcons. I guess Alien might beat it if you count the AvP movies.


Halloween?


Ok, now here's another contender. Though I think it's like Alien where it can't really compete in terms of how convoluted it is and has to get by on raw stupidity.
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Jakyl25
06/08/18 9:47:27 PM
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Halloweens a good call

Still Ill take a couple wild retcons and a couple reboots over 4 wild retcons
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Nelson_Mandela
06/08/18 9:48:31 PM
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The marvel movies will eventually get like this

X-men kind of already has
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TheRock1525
06/08/18 9:49:06 PM
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X-Men really has one major retcon.
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Jakyl25
06/08/18 9:50:09 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
X-Men really has one major retcon.


Yeah and they did it in canon instead of in the meta
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Nelson_Mandela
06/08/18 9:50:43 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
X-Men really has one major retcon.

I thought the first wolverine was retconned and then first class was another?

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Jakyl25
06/08/18 9:51:19 PM
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First Wolverine movie was never retconned
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redrocket
06/08/18 9:51:37 PM
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X-men is dangerously close yeah. It's gotten to the point where I just consider each sub-series to be its own continuity.

Original timeline

First Class timeline

Deadpool timeline

Logan is a standalone.

I give no fucks what the official explanation is supposed to be.
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Nelson_Mandela
06/08/18 9:52:49 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
First Wolverine movie was never retconned

What's the one with Deadpool?
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TheRock1525
06/08/18 9:54:46 PM
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X-Men Origins was retconned thanks to the big Days of Future Past Retcon.

First Class is still valid.
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Jakyl25
06/08/18 9:56:22 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
X-Men Origins was retconned thanks to the big Days of Future Past Retcon.

First Class is still valid.


Wait, when is Origins set? After DoFP? I assumed it was before.
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TheRock1525
06/08/18 9:59:17 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
X-Men Origins was retconned thanks to the big Days of Future Past Retcon.

First Class is still valid.


Wait, when is Origins set? After DoFP? I assumed it was before.


Yes. Origins was 1979, DoFP was 1973.
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Jakyl25
06/08/18 10:01:43 PM
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Zelda series is somewhere in here.

Yes, the Child/Adult timeline split was intentional, but the Downfall timeline is some true pulled this out of our ass BS
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Nelson_Mandela
06/08/18 10:03:29 PM
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Except Zelda was retrofitted into continuity. Terminator was not developed as a series of standalone films!
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redrocket
06/08/18 10:04:29 PM
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Wait.

Wait.

So this newest movie isn't being made by Cameron?!?

I thought he was supposed to be taking back control of the series??
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Jakyl25
06/08/18 10:04:59 PM
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redrocket posted...
Wait.

Wait.

So this newest movie isn't being made by Cameron?!?

I thought he was supposed to be taking back control of the series??


Must have been in some other timeline
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Nelson_Mandela
06/08/18 10:08:43 PM
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He wrote the script. Too busy directing Avatar sequels no one wants to be behind the camera.
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Jakyl25
06/08/18 10:10:04 PM
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You cant blame him for thinking a sequel to the biggest movie of all time might be worth attempting

Its dumb to have so many planned in advance though
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TheRock1525
06/08/18 10:11:52 PM
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I thought they went down to only two planned sequels now rather than six or whatever stupid number.
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06/08/18 10:59:52 PM
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I wouldn't say Kingdom Hearts' time line is that convoluted, just its mythology.
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Nelson_Mandela
06/08/18 11:01:17 PM
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Wait so you guys are telling me Deadpool from the wolverine movie and Deadpool from Deadpool are the same?!
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06/08/18 11:12:30 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Wait so you guys are telling me Deadpool from the wolverine movie and Deadpool from Deadpool are the same?!

In Deadpool 2, there's a joke where he goes back in time to kill that version of Deadpool and erase the ending of Origins: Wolverine. It doesn't make any sense and that's the joke, but Deadpool is canon with X-Men. It doesn't matter anyway since Origins: Wolverine is contradicted in parts by First Class anyway.
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Nelson_Mandela
06/08/18 11:14:34 PM
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Which leads me to believe X-Men is in the discussion!
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06/08/18 11:19:19 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Which leads me to believe X-Men is in the discussion!

Well in that case it's just a joke, I'm not sure comedies count toward making things stupider. Even if they do, Terminator still probably wins. Terminator 5 alone is just on another level.
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WazzupGenius00
06/08/18 11:33:05 PM
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In terms of purely major plot points I'd put Terminator ahead of X-Men in stupidity, but if we count all the contradictory appearances of named characters in different time periods, represented by different actors in consecutive films, etc., then X-Men might have it topped
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06/08/18 11:45:39 PM
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WazzupGenius00 posted...
In terms of purely major plot points I'd put Terminator ahead of X-Men in stupidity, but if we count all the contradictory appearances of named characters in different time periods, represented by different actors in consecutive films, etc., then X-Men might have it topped

Who contradicts besides Emma Frost, Cyclops, Angel, and Deadpool? Not saying you're wrong, just that I don't remember any others.
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