Current Events > "If Mueller tries to subpoena us, we're going to court" -Rudy Giuliani

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https://www.yahoo.com/gma/giuliani-threatens-legal-battle-mueller-over-subpoena-030604381--abc-news-topstories.html

The president's lawyer Rudy Giuliani threatened a legal battle with special counsel Robert Mueller if he attempts to subpoena Donald Trump.

"If Mueller tries to subpoena us, we're going to court," Giuliani told ABC News.

His latest comments come on the heels of the publication of a 20-page confidential letter sent by Trump's lawyers to Mueller arguing that the president cannot legally obstruct justice in the Russia investigation due to his position as "chief law enforcement officer."

"It remains our position that the President's actions here, by virtue of his position as the chief law enforcement officer, could neither constitutionally nor legally constitute obstruction because that would amount to him obstructing himself, and that he could if he wished, terminate the inquiry, or even exercise his power to pardon if he so desired," reads the letter dated Jan. 29, which was first obtained and reported by The New York Times.

Although Giuliani was not on the legal team at the time of the letter, he confirmed the contents of the letter to ABC News and said it was delivered to the special counsel in January.

There is a lot more in that article
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sounds like what an innocent person does.
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Good. They should. Mueller is just wasting everybody's time and money
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So, basically, the president can ignore the laws because he's the chief law enforcer? Wow...
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Man, we really gotta rethink if it's worth having presidents at all. This shit is really easily abusable and the system is ultimately powerless to stop it.
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"Trump is the head of the law, so to obstruct your task of exposing his crimes would be to obstruct himself, therefore he can't possibly be obstructing anything as that would not be in his best interest. Checkmate atheists"

That is the craziest circular logic I've ever fucking heard. It works based on the position of power, instead of Trump's human aspirations and possible criminal desires - it makes a case for Donald Trump based on a title and not on the man himself, and we know damn well that people in power can be completely hypocritical and corrupt. The people who finagled that document together should feel fucking disgusted with themselves.
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LMFAO thats what you people get for electing a confidence man
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you reap what you sow
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CW_McGraw posted...

Man, we really gotta rethink if it's worth having presidents at all. This shit is really easily abusable and the system is ultimately powerless to stop it.

The court system might will have to do something about future Presidents' power if it.'a this easy to abuse
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I know this isn't how he means it, but...isn't that kinda what a subpeona makes you do?
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Antifar posted...

I know this isn't how he means it, but...isn't that kinda what a subpeona makes you do?

A subpoena just forces you to answer questions, on the record, before a committee.
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known2FAIL posted...

It remains our position that the President's actions here, by virtue of his position as the chief law enforcement officer, could neither constitutionally nor legally constitute obstruction because that would amount to him obstructing himself, and that he could if he wished, terminate the inquiry, or even exercise his power to pardon if he so desired

I thought we all agreed Kings were a bad idea back in the 1700's.
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known2FAIL posted...

"It remains our position that the President's actions here, by virtue of his position as the chief law enforcement officer, could neither constitutionally nor legally constitute obstruction because that would amount to him obstructing himself, and that he could if he wished, terminate the inquiry, or even exercise his power to pardon if he so desired," reads the letter dated Jan. 29, which was first obtained and reported by The New York Times.

They honest to god tried (and failed) to hide 'Trump is above the law' in legalese.

I'm starting to see the truth in the assertions that no actual respectable / intelligent lawyer would even be caught in the same room as Trump.
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But when you get a subpoena, you do go to court lol
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Phantom_Nook posted...

sounds like what an innocent person does.

Hes defending himself! He must be guilty!
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Mueller should be in prison.
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Nomadic View posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

sounds like what an innocent person does.

Hes defending himself! He must be guilty!

I mean their defense is "Trump is allowed to be above the law". Seems rather guilty to me.
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Error1355 posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

sounds like what an innocent person does.

Hes defending himself! He must be guilty!

I mean their defense is "Trump is allowed to be above the law". Seems rather guilty to me.

Is that defense viable?
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Nomadic View posted...

Is that defense viable?

Isn't "no man is above the law" or "justice is blind" supposed to be a foundation for the legal system in most of the western world or something
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Doom_Art posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Is that defense viable?

Isn't "no man is above the law" or "justice is blind" supposed to be a foundation for the legal system in most of the western world or something

Is that a viable defense or not?
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"My client will not do x or y because they are above the law" is not at all a valid defense tbh.
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Nomadic View posted...

Is that a viable defense or not?

I'm going to go with a no, that probably does not end up being a viable defense.
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Error1355 posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Is that a viable defense or not?

I'm going to go with a no, that probably does not end up being a viable defense.

Look who you're replying to.
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I mean since his supporters don't care much for the rule of law I think it's valid in the sense that they'll accept it, and the brave Republicans opposing him will meekly fall in line.

But I don't think law enforcement or the courts will accept that as a valid defense lol.
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This is a serious blow to my waning patriotism. I miss believing in the idea that we lived under "rule of law".
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Nomadic View posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Is that defense viable?

Isn't "no man is above the law" or "justice is blind" supposed to be a foundation for the legal system in most of the western world or something

Is that a viable defense or not?

It shouldn't be. But it is currently unknown if it is or is not.
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Error1355 posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Is that a viable defense or not?

I'm going to go with a no, that probably does not end up being a viable defense.

Then what are you worried about?
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bover_87 posted...

Error1355 posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Is that a viable defense or not?

I'm going to go with a no, that probably does not end up being a viable defense.

Look who you're replying to.

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This is obviously a witch hunt.
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The sad part is the republicans will support this, Trump already thinks he's above the law can you imagine how much worse and corrupt he'll get if he gets actual validation that yes, he's above the law? We'd become a dictatorship which is Trump's dream considering how he feels about China, North Korea and Russia, absolute power, death to anyone who pisses you off? Idiotic citizens and media constantly singing praises to everything you do and making out your actions as those of a god? Of fucking course Trump wants power like that.

And for you all of you who say it'd never happen because the public or something, the public knows that Trump and his goons are stealing money and protecting their friends from actual investigations and they do not care, they are jaded, cynical, actually for it or apathetic, the only things the american public care about is what's on tv and what stupid insignificant thing can they get outraged about then do absolutely nothing to change it other than feeling like they're a good person standing up for what they believe in.
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There is an alternate reality where Donald Trump is tweeting his support of Mueller as he goes after the crimes of President Clinton.

There is also a reality where we live in a peaceful utopia led by President Elon Musk who has solved all the world's problems.
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"Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal." - Richard Nixon
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@Nomadic_View posted...

Error1355 posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Is that a viable defense or not?

I'm going to go with a no, that probably does not end up being a viable defense.

Then what are you worried about?

I don't recall saying I was worried about anything?
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creativerealms posted...

This is obviously a witch hunt.

Well, Trump does have a wart.
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tremain07 posted...

The sad part is the republicans will support this, Trump already thinks he's above the law can you imagine how much worse and corrupt he'll get if he gets actual validation that yes, he's above the law?

They absolutely won't because there's then the possibility that a Democrat president will do the same thing.
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It's hilariously hypocritical that the side that frequently uses, "you don't need to be scared if you have nothing to hide" as justification for their policies are the ones that immediately yell, "I have nothing to hide!" before trying to hide what they apparently do not, by their words, need to hide.

Okay so, no one except die-hard liberals actually think this investigation is going to give any result.

So here's an idea: Get all these liberals that want the investigation so badly, to agree that if the investigation finds nothing, they (split among all of them, of course) have to cover the costs of it.

There, the "it's a waste of money" is no longer an issue, those who want the investigation get it, and everyone can finally shut the fuck up about it when it finds nothing / be happy that they finally got the result they want, as applicable.
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Lmao its not like Trump is worried even if hes found guilty. He knows hes boy Pence gonna pardon him
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I legitimately think that Trump would get better legal advice from a person he randomly pulls off the street than he's getting from Giuliani
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DarkTransient posted...

Okay so, no one except die-hard liberals actually think this investigation is going to give any result.

So here's an idea: Get all these liberals that want the investigation so badly, to agree that if the investigation finds nothing, they (split among all of them, of course) have to cover the costs of it.

There, the "it's a waste of money" is no longer an issue, those who want the investigation get it, and everyone can finally shut the fuck up about it when it finds nothing / be happy that they finally got the result they want, as applicable.

this is a real post
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AnimeTeddies posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Okay so, no one except die-hard liberals actually think this investigation is going to give any result.

So here's an idea: Get all these liberals that want the investigation so badly, to agree that if the investigation finds nothing, they (split among all of them, of course) have to cover the costs of it.

There, the "it's a waste of money" is no longer an issue, those who want the investigation get it, and everyone can finally shut the fuck up about it when it finds nothing / be happy that they finally got the result they want, as applicable.

this is a real post

I mean, Trump is a real president, so nothing should surprise you anymore
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