Current Events > Sigh, looks like I have to find a new lunch spot.

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Used to go to the Bruegger's Bagels like two minutes from work.

Well now they added an iPad-style card swiper thing with a tip prompt at the end. Yet another place where they're awkwardly standing at the register while I decide whether or not to increase their paycheck at the press of a button.

SMH I didn't call in, I didn't eat in, I came to you. No tipping should be yet again forced upon us since you've decided to weaponize our guilt.

They fucking know me too, so if I don't tip then they'll know.
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https://imgur.com/RyksonU
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one cent tip every time.
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Sounds like this really tuffins your muffins
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So dont tip?
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They have the same thing at a vape shop I go to. I just click no tip.
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l Dudeboy l posted...

https://imgur.com/RyksonU

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Were_Wyrm posted...

one cent tip every time.

Can't. Preset options of no tip, 15%, 20%, or 25% (which is also annoying because it's usually 10-15-20 at places like this). No option for "other."

Ivynn posted...

Sounds like this really tuffins your muffins

It does.

Jiggy101011 posted...

So dont tip?

southcoast09 posted...

They have the same thing at a vape shop I go to. I just click no tip.

Yeah but deserved or not, you still feel like a jackass knowing you're actively not raising their paychecks.

The other problem is I'm a regular. They know me. If I continually go there and not tip, they'll start recognizing me as the "non-tipper." Maybe spit in my food when I ain't looking.

Or they may not. But either way, I'd walk in and they'd get the "damn no tips from this guy" running through their head.

At the end of the day, their jobs have not changed, but they are now getting paid more by capitalizing on people's guilt.

Even though I know it's not a tipping situation (I'm not dining in, not getting it delivered, or anything that warrants a tip), I still feel guilty. It's not exactly easy to just "don't feel guilty when you know you're right" at a place where they all know you.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

l Dudeboy l posted...

https://imgur.com/RyksonU

bruh use the giphy link



right click, select "copy image address," boom it embeds.

Were_Wyrm posted...

one cent tip every time.

Can't. Preset options of no tip, 15%, 20%, or 25% (which is also annoying because it's usually 10-15-20 at places like this). No option for "other."

Ivynn posted...

Sounds like this really tuffins your muffins

It does.

Jiggy101011 posted...

So dont tip?

southcoast09 posted...

They have the same thing at a vape shop I go to. I just click no tip.

Yeah but deserved or not, you still feel like a jackass knowing you're actively not raising their paychecks.

The other problem is I'm a regular. They know me. If I continually go there and not tip, they'll start recognizing me as the "non-tipper." Maybe spit in my food when I ain't looking.

Or they may not. But either way, I'd walk in and they'd get the "damn no tips from this guy" running through their head.

At the end of the day, their jobs have not changed, but they are now getting paid more by capitalizing on people's guilt.

Even though I know it's not a tipping situation (I'm not dining in, not getting it delivered, or anything that warrants a tip), I still feel guilty. It's not exactly easy to just "don't feel guilty when you know you're right" at a place where they all know you.

Damn she is effing hot. I hate how Jake Paul got a piece of that for a bit.
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Most people working that position arent expecting anything unless its some crazy expensive order and youre asking them to do a ton of stuff. Even then its like a dollar or two to make them happy.
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Jiggy101011 posted...

Damn she is effing hot. I hate how Jake Paul got a piece of that for a bit.

For real. I've been on that bandwagon ever since Agents of Shield premiered.

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Most people working that position arent expecting anything unless its some crazy expensive order and youre asking them to do a ton of stuff. Even then its like a dollar or two to make them happy.

I know, but a dollar or two four times a week adds up. For one sandwich.

Artificial price gouging.
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Oh my bad, I wasnt telling you to tip them a dollar or two every time, Im just saying they dont expect anything so if someone tips them a dollar its good for them.
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No good employee should get offended about someone not tipping for a carryout food order, at least not in most circumstances. If I go out of my way to do extra favors you ask for, sure, but if I make you a single $7 pizza, I'm sure as hell not expecting a $3 tip from that, and I'm appreciative as hell of customers who tip even 10% on carryouts.
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I hate that shit
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What a stupid thing to care about.

Some lady wanted the corporate number because the mere option to tip on carryout offended her.

I don't care if you don't tip barring special circumstances.

Like if I gotta carryout 300$ of food to your car during a nasty snowstorm please fucking tip me because I just risked hurting myself on the ice to bring your food out to you and my feet are going to be numb for the next hour. Also I spent a shitload of time gathering various foodstuffs, utensils, napkins, a dozen types of condiments, and such together, making side salads, checking that all your bizzare requests were followed, cutting bread because the people who were supposed to do it never did, cut the kids fruit dishes into pieces they won't choke on and did various other little things to make sure your order was right often doing extra shit that technically is someone else's job there to get it out on time.

A lot more work goes into a large carryout even for those who aren't prepping the food itself than one would think.

But no I don't expect a tip for dropping some coleslaw in a container for you. Thanks for telling me you pretty much think my job is worthless by not only saying you are offended by the thought of tipping me but that you would actively fucking try to make it harder for me to get tips though.

Unbelievable.
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pikachupwnage posted...

you are offended

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just say no tip whats the problem
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Balrog0 posted...

just say no tip whats the problem

This. At the register its the equivalent of a tip jar
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DezDroppedFreak posted...

Balrog0 posted...

just say no tip whats the problem

This. At the register its the equivalent of a tip jar

Think of it this way; it's active vs. passive

Previously, when all there was was a tip jar, it wasn't a problem because I only pay with a card anyways. They don't outright ask you point blank "wanna add a tip to this card?" Therefore, I was passively not tipping.

Now, I have to actively press a button that says sorry, no tip for you.

Let's not forget by the way that I'm actually doing more work now, since I have to put the card chip in the reader, as opposed to previously, where I just hand them the card and they do the rest.
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l Dudeboy l posted...

https://imgur.com/RyksonU

i demand you cease posting this cute woman
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EverDownward posted...

l Dudeboy l posted...

https://imgur.com/RyksonU

i demand you cease posting this cute woman

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Muffinz0rz posted...

EverDownward posted...

l Dudeboy l posted...

https://imgur.com/RyksonU

i demand you cease posting this cute woman

I SAID CEASE
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Jiggy101011 posted...

So dont tip?

Madness! Madness I say! To not tip after being asked to tip? We don't believe in common sense and logic here.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

Think of it this way; it's active vs. passive

Previously, when all there was was a tip jar, it wasn't a problem because I only pay with a card anyways. They don't outright ask you point blank "wanna add a tip to this card?" Therefore, I was passively not tipping.

Now, I have to actively press a button that says sorry, no tip for you.

Let's not forget by the way that I'm actually doing more work now, since I have to put the card chip in the reader, as opposed to previously, where I just hand them the card and they do the rest.

so hitting an extra button is too much work for you or something?
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Hillary ruined this guy's lunch.
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Easy solution. Pay by cash.
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Balrog0 posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

Think of it this way; it's active vs. passive

Previously, when all there was was a tip jar, it wasn't a problem because I only pay with a card anyways. They don't outright ask you point blank "wanna add a tip to this card?" Therefore, I was passively not tipping.

Now, I have to actively press a button that says sorry, no tip for you.

Let's not forget by the way that I'm actually doing more work now, since I have to put the card chip in the reader, as opposed to previously, where I just hand them the card and they do the rest.

so hitting an extra button is too much work for you or something?

No.

It's psychological.

"Doing nothing" in the old system was no tip by default. Which was great. Now, I can no longer "do nothing" when the prompt comes up. Otherwise I'm staring down the cashier for the rest of my life. Therefore, I must actively decide to deprive this person of an extra dollar in his/her paycheck.

DragonGirlYuki posted...

Easy solution. Pay by cash.

I never have cash
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Get some cash then. How do you eat at a cash only restaurant?
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DragonGirlYuki posted...

Get some cash then.

I moved a few years ago and my bank doesn't have ATMs up here, so I don't wanna pay a fee every time I need cash.

I don't do cash back from the grocery store or cash back places either because I pay with a credit card for them rewards points, and apparently cash back on a credit card is treated as a "cash advance," and those have some crazy high interest rates or something so I don't wanna bother with that.

Plus I don't wanna pay at the grocery store with a debit card because then RIP rewards points

DragonGirlYuki posted...

How do you eat at a cash only restaurant?

Can't remember the last time I've been to one tbh. It's 2018.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

DezDroppedFreak posted...

Balrog0 posted...

just say no tip whats the problem

This. At the register its the equivalent of a tip jar

Think of it this way; it's active vs. passive

Previously, when all there was was a tip jar, it wasn't a problem because I only pay with a card anyways. They don't outright ask you point blank "wanna add a tip to this card?" Therefore, I was passively not tipping.

Now, I have to actively press a button that says sorry, no tip for you.

Let's not forget by the way that I'm actually doing more work now, since I have to put the card chip in the reader, as opposed to previously, where I just hand them the card and they do the rest.

Man I think they pretty much dont expect a tip

Like I dont ever tip at those unless the person helped me decide on a thing/went out of their way on something

If theyre just parroting your order I wouldnt think too much about it
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You can grab cash at your bank branch for no fee. Agreed that using non branch atms is silly because of fees.

There are a lot of cash only places I go to. Asian places tend to be cash only.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

No.

It's psychological.

"Doing nothing" in the old system was no tip by default. Which was great. Now, I can no longer "do nothing" when the prompt comes up. Otherwise I'm staring down the cashier for the rest of my life. Therefore, I must actively decide to deprive this person of an extra dollar in his/her paycheck.

but why does it bother you so much
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Muffinz0rz posted...

DragonGirlYuki posted...

Get some cash then.

I moved a few years ago and my bank doesn't have ATMs up here, so I don't wanna pay a fee every time I need cash.

I don't do cash back from the grocery store or cash back places either because I pay with a credit card for them rewards points, and apparently cash back on a credit card is treated as a "cash advance," and those have some crazy high interest rates or something so I don't wanna bother with that.

Plus I don't wanna pay at the grocery store with a debit card because then RIP rewards points

DragonGirlYuki posted...

How do you eat at a cash only restaurant?

Can't remember the last time I've been to one tbh. It's 2018.

Look at these extravagant excuses. You do know you could go to the grocery store and buy a drink or a pack of gum and still get cash back right. Your not gonna missing any "rewards" on a $2 purchase
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Good call. There's no excuse to have a tipping prompt when you're not being waited on or having your food delivered.
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The amount you save on not having to tip is more than the rewards you'll earn by paying by card.
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tip if you're in a good mood or something. it shouldn't be a big deal unless you can't afford to tip
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Just don't tip. It's not that complicated lol

I will never tip for a carry out order and no one should ever be entitled enough to expect it.
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Imagine if every service you used had the server ask you if you want to tip every time you went there. Would that be good or bad?
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DezDroppedFreak posted...

Man I think they pretty much dont expect a tip

Like I dont ever tip at those unless the person helped me decide on a thing/went out of their way on something

If theyre just parroting your order I wouldnt think too much about it

I try not to think about it. On the old system, I never had to think about it. But the "active" nature of pressing a button forces me to think about it.

DragonGirlYuki posted...

You can grab cash at your bank branch for no fee. Agreed that using non branch atms is silly because of fees.

There are a lot of cash only places I go to. Asian places tend to be cash only.

I mean my bank doesn't have any branches up here either.

My normal routine doesn't involve cash only restaurants. If the time ever comes, it'll be because friends made plans, at which point I'll stop at the store and get a pack of gum for some cash.

Balrog0 posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

No.

It's psychological.

"Doing nothing" in the old system was no tip by default. Which was great. Now, I can no longer "do nothing" when the prompt comes up. Otherwise I'm staring down the cashier for the rest of my life. Therefore, I must actively decide to deprive this person of an extra dollar in his/her paycheck.

but why does it bother you so much

Active vs. passive, etc. You're clearly not listening and/or trolling.

Ben_Ruggiero posted...

Look at these extravagant excuses. You do know you could go to the grocery store and buy a drink or a pack of gum and still get cash back right. Your not gonna missing any "rewards" on a $2 purchase

Yes, except then I'm going out of my way for an unnecessary trip. Why waste my time getting cash when I haven't used cash in months? Let alone even needed it and not had it.

DragonGirlYuki posted...

The amount you save on not having to tip is more than the rewards you'll earn by paying by card.

I don't understand

theman183 posted...

Imagine if every service you used had the server ask you if you want to tip every time you went there. Would that be good or bad?

Literally this

Every time now, I have to look the guy dead in the eyes and say no tip for you, sir. Whereas it was never expected of me previously because they know I only pay by card.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

Active vs. passive, etc. You're clearly not listening and/or trolling.

No, I'm listening, but you haven't explained why that minor difference of a single button press is so bothersome to you that you need to go some where else
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is it just a social anxiety/awkwardness thing? it would explain your foozeball woes if you really have such a time looking someone 'dead in the eyes and say[ing] no tip' especially when you literally aren't having to actually do that or interact with a person about it directly at all
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Balrog0 posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

Active vs. passive, etc. You're clearly not listening and/or trolling.

No, I'm listening, but you haven't explained why that minor difference of a single button press is so bothersome to you that you need to go some where else

Muffinz0rz posted...

"Doing nothing" in the old system was no tip by default. Which was great. Now, I can no longer "do nothing" when the prompt comes up. Otherwise I'm staring down the cashier for the rest of my life. Therefore, I must actively decide to deprive this person of an extra dollar in his/her paycheck.

Muffinz0rz posted...

Think of it this way; it's active vs. passive

Previously, when all there was was a tip jar, it wasn't a problem because I only pay with a card anyways. They don't outright ask you point blank "wanna add a tip to this card?" Therefore, I was passively not tipping.

Now, I have to actively press a button that says sorry, no tip for you.

Let's not forget by the way that I'm actually doing more work now, since I have to put the card chip in the reader, as opposed to previously, where I just hand them the card and they do the rest.

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Balrog0 posted...

is it just a social anxiety/awkwardness thing? it would explain your foozeball woes if you really have such a time looking someone 'dead in the eyes and say[ing] no tip' especially when you literally aren't having to actually do that or interact with a person about it directly at all

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Yeah I only tip when I was waited on...

I never tip for food that was just prepared.

You wait on me or drive to me, you get a tip. You don't then you don't get a tip.

I don't care what people think of me for not tipping them for my carryout.
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So don't tip how hard is it not hard at all if im getting my own food I am not leaving a tip
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Balrog0 posted...

is it just a social anxiety/awkwardness thing? it would explain your foozeball woes if you really have such a time looking someone 'dead in the eyes and say[ing] no tip' especially when you literally aren't having to actually do that or interact with a person about it directly at all

Definitely seems to be the case. He can make whatever excuses he wants, but I think the sooner he accepts it the better.
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Cornmuffins posted...

Balrog0 posted...

is it just a social anxiety/awkwardness thing? it would explain your foozeball woes if you really have such a time looking someone 'dead in the eyes and say[ing] no tip' especially when you literally aren't having to actually do that or interact with a person about it directly at all

Definitely seems to be the case. He can make whatever excuses he wants, but I think the sooner he accepts it the better.

Name one thing illegitimate about my case
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Muffinz0rz posted...

Name one thing illegitimate about my case

answer my question

just saying that you now have to actively not tip vs passively not tipping doesn't explain anything about your discomfort or anger or whatever it is you're feeling that you need to go some where else

like I said, it is a single extra button press and you have indicated that is not the issue.

so what is it about the new situation that is the issue?
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Don't worry TC, I know the exact feeling you're having. It drives me nuts to see the tip option on my receipts when I sign and I reluctantly tip anyway when I just want to pay the default pricing. That being said, I need my apple turnovers, and I need my salmon bagel sandwiches, so I can't let it sway me. I should walk with cash more often.
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Balrog0 posted...

answer my question

While I don't have any sort of problem with social interactions / anxiety, the whole concept of being asked "will you give me more money for this service?" is a little awkward. I don't think that's preposterous.

Balrog0 posted...

just saying that you now have to actively not tip vs passively not tipping doesn't explain anything about your discomfort or anger or whatever it is you're feeling that you need to go some where else

It does explain my discomfort. You're the one trying to downplay it into "oh it's a simple button press." It's not. It's more than that and you know it.

Balrog0 posted...

like I said, it is a single extra button press and you have indicated that is not the issue.

The act of pressing one button is not the issue. The act of what's going on in the process of that button press is the issue.
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