Board 8 > Phoenix Wright Mafia Topic 2: Objection! I object!

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LiquidOshawott
05/27/18 12:35:50 AM
#1:


That was... objectionable

The Living

1. Alakazamtrainer
2. Arti
3. Corrik
4. Crescent-Moon
5. Dark Young Link
6. DoomTheGyarados (Chris)
7. eaedwards
8. Foolmo
9. Forceful Dragon
10. HanOfTheNekos
11. htaeD
12. My Immortal
13. Nanahara713
14. NewDonker
15. profDeadpool
16. red13n/Leafeon13n
17. RogueNoble
18. ScareChan
19. Sceptilesolar
20. Shaduln
21. turbopuns2

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Day Ends at 11 PM EDT on Sunday, May 27th, 2018, or when lynch reaches a majority
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ScareChan
05/27/18 3:59:04 AM
#2:


I like Red and Corrik

I like the makeup of the pool lynch

I dont like Zam. I dont like Eaed for the reason Crescent posted. I dont like Shad becaise gut
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Corrik
05/27/18 4:51:57 AM
#3:


Tag. Finishing up my double and going to bed My allergies are so bad causing me congestion that I can barely breathe. Never felt this way before. It feels terrible be online in maybe 9 hours.
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DoomTheGyarados
05/27/18 5:26:52 AM
#4:


Scare- I have played with Zam a couple of times on the mafia board. He was always getting into trouble.

Granted the fact he didn't mention me does show that he isn't thinking much in terms of logical breakdown I am cautioning that sounds like town Zam too.

Puns - If red voted me there would clear intent regardless of alignment. By messing around with his vote he was just hugging people about it. It reveals intent.

Hell even Corrik is half assing this.

Anyone in the house want to defend Deadpool? His tone is wildly off to me and would love to hear a defense from the likes of FD!

Rolling back over to sleep now. Hope the tropical storm doesn't eat me.
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LiquidOshawott
05/27/18 6:01:15 AM
#5:


[5] Alakazam - Red, (Scare), Han, NewDonker, Arti, FD
[5] Prof - Shad, MI, Sceptile, Leo, Chris
[3] Chris - Corrik, Puns, Scare
[1] Corrik - (Puns,) (Shad,) Prof
[1] No Lynch - Arti
[0] FD - (Chris)
[0] Shad - (Han)
[0] Scare - (MI)
[0] Leo - (Puns)
[0] Chris - (Scare)


With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Day Ends at 11 PM EDT on Sunday, May 27th, 2018, or when lynch reaches a majority

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Alakazamtrainer
05/27/18 7:17:57 AM
#6:


Looking at the votes, I must ask the people who have voted for me; Why? I know I don't follow general posting logic, at the same time looking in my own way. So are you voting for me because I'm not a mindless sheep and posting the same b.s. as everyone else? Or is there some other reason?
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profDEADPOOL
05/27/18 8:07:11 AM
#7:


Alakazamtrainer posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
Alakazamtrainer posted...
Anyone have anything they wish to ask... I'll be on for the next 20-30mins


Who is scum?

Who is town?

If you were day vig and you had to shoot someone right now who do you shoot?

If you were a random firing vigilante would you use your ability tonight knowing that it would just kill someone at random? Would it make a difference if you could put 3 people on a safe list who could not be randomly struck? Who would you put on that list?

Scum:
Han is my only real read atm

Town:
Sceptile
Corrik
Puns
Scare

Who I would shoot as dayvig, no-one right now would wait till closer to eod.

Would wait for more info rather then shoot, random viging is as bad as afking... it proves nothing and 95%it backfires on town.

3 to protect:
Corrik
Puns
Scare

Why protect the "policy lynch" instead of maybe shooting them so we don't have to "policy lynch" them exactly.

I do think Han is more likely to be right and it was a scumslip now where you confirmed Corrik town, tho I'm still not sure why you pinged then.

##unvote:
##vote: Alakazamtrainer


turbopuns2 posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
turbopuns2 posted...
What is WRT?


With regard/s to


Oh lol. I assumed 'tact' was a type of 'fact'. That is way more clear. And also a pretty useless statement, in that case.

Tact might not be the right word then.

The line? The way? Way I think is more clear.

I really like the way Han is looking at and trying to make a case for Zam being scum.
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Alakazamtrainer
05/27/18 8:12:31 AM
#8:


profDEADPOOL posted...
Alakazamtrainer posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
Alakazamtrainer posted...
Anyone have anything they wish to ask... I'll be on for the next 20-30mins


Who is scum?

Who is town?

If you were day vig and you had to shoot someone right now who do you shoot?

If you were a random firing vigilante would you use your ability tonight knowing that it would just kill someone at random? Would it make a difference if you could put 3 people on a safe list who could not be randomly struck? Who would you put on that list?

Scum:
Han is my only real read atm

Town:
Sceptile
Corrik
Puns
Scare

Who I would shoot as dayvig, no-one right now would wait till closer to eod.

Would wait for more info rather then shoot, random viging is as bad as afking... it proves nothing and 95%it backfires on town.

3 to protect:
Corrik
Puns
Scare

Why protect the "policy lynch" instead of maybe shooting them so we don't have to "policy lynch" them exactly.

I do think Han is more likely to be right and it was a scumslip now where you confirmed Corrik town, tho I'm still not sure why you pinged then.

##unvote:
##vote: Alakazamtrainer


turbopuns2 posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
turbopuns2 posted...
What is WRT?


With regard/s to


Oh lol. I assumed 'tact' was a type of 'fact'. That is way more clear. And also a pretty useless statement, in that case.

Tact might not be the right word then.

The line? The way? Way I think is more clear.

I really like the way Han is looking at and trying to make a case for Zam being scum.


Corrik by him self can do alot with just a little information. I've seen him correctly deduce scum by the end of day 2. A great player with a bad town =/= A bad player with a good role.

In other words is rather save someone who's more then likly to help then someone who could possibly afk out
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Alakazamtrainer
05/27/18 8:17:49 AM
#9:


##Unvote
##Vote: profDeadpool


Claim. Your looking just as bad as I supposedly am. Yet your unclaimed. Do so please.
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HanOfTheNekos
05/27/18 8:50:37 AM
#10:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Anyone in the house want to defend Deadpool? His tone is wildly off to me and would love to hear a defense from the likes of FD!


Nah. I had him as a null read, and I actually did not recall him sticking out to me at all when I first read through the topic, which is why I did not like the prof train to begin with. Also, Shad started it and he's in the Scummish territory.

But prof tends to crumble under pressure, so I'm alright with applying it until he does.

Alakazamtrainer posted...
Looking at the votes, I must ask the people who have voted for me; Why? I know I don't follow general posting logic, at the same time looking in my own way. So are you voting for me because I'm not a mindless sheep and posting the same b.s. as everyone else? Or is there some other reason?


A. Your reactionary vote on me. "My only Scum read is this guy pushing for my lynch!"
B. It seems like you said early on "Corrik is miller, so this tells us..."
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ScareChan
05/27/18 8:51:38 AM
#11:


Yeah pool should claim
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Alakazamtrainer
05/27/18 8:56:57 AM
#12:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
DoomTheGyarados posted...
Anyone in the house want to defend Deadpool? His tone is wildly off to me and would love to hear a defense from the likes of FD!


Nah. I had him as a null read, and I actually did not recall him sticking out to me at all when I first read through the topic, which is why I did not like the prof train to begin with. Also, Shad started it and he's in the Scummish territory.

But prof tends to crumble under pressure, so I'm alright with applying it until he does.

Alakazamtrainer posted...
Looking at the votes, I must ask the people who have voted for me; Why? I know I don't follow general posting logic, at the same time looking in my own way. So are you voting for me because I'm not a mindless sheep and posting the same b.s. as everyone else? Or is there some other reason?


A. Your reactionary vote on me. "My only Scum read is this guy pushing for my lynch!"
B. It seems like you said early on "Corrik is miller, so this tells us..."


So your voting for me for what everyone else votes for people, commonly but without a good centralized reason?
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My Immortal
05/27/18 9:11:58 AM
#13:


Was scanning through the last game on the mafia board that Alakazam was town during and I found this post by him.

Heres a question for all:

Why are we even talking about claming on day one? Whats worse is people who normally say dont claim day one are arguing the point. Regardless of Corriks ability, its to much of a risk and gamble to even claim day one.


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My Immortal
05/27/18 9:12:38 AM
#14:


I also feel like he was way more proactive here than he has been in this game or his last scum game.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1016-forum-mafia/76270792

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profDEADPOOL
05/27/18 9:55:49 AM
#15:


My Immortal posted...
Was scanning through the last game on the mafia board that Alakazam was town during and I found this post by him.

Heres a question for all:

Why are we even talking about claming on day one? Whats worse is people who normally say dont claim day one are arguing the point. Regardless of Corriks ability, its to much of a risk and gamble to even claim day one.


...

ROFL.

Even if that was like in context of a multiclaim that's a ridiculous change
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turbopuns2
05/27/18 10:37:14 AM
#16:


ScareChan posted...
Yeah pool should claim


##Unvote
##Vote: prof


Daylight's burning. Let's get this show on the road. All you did after sleep was vote the other lynch option. Not a good look. And you are flipping your corrik read due to Zam's comment?
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HanOfTheNekos
05/27/18 10:42:51 AM
#17:


Alakazamtrainer posted...
So your voting for me for what everyone else votes for people, commonly but without a good centralized reason?


I'm not sure what you're saying here.

I'm voting for you because you admitted that you knew Corrik was Town, which if true, only a Scum member should know. I don't buy the cover-up or the claim.
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NewDonker
05/27/18 10:48:52 AM
#18:


Alakazamtrainer posted...
##Unvote
##Vote: profDeadpool


Claim. Your looking just as bad as I supposedly am. Yet your unclaimed. Do so please.

Someone other than Mr."I claim under pressure as town so I'll claim here" Trainer coreect me if I'm wrong, but I remember Alakazam being very self-deprecating as town in heroes vs villains mafia 2. That game, he was town. Here he seems to be trying to deny the fact he looks bad. Alakazam really is floundering this game, even on the offchance he's town
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Corrik
05/27/18 10:54:35 AM
#19:


Alakazam is town. Stop wasting your time.

##vote: deadpool

Claim.
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Corrik
05/27/18 10:54:54 AM
#20:


##unvote:
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Crescent-Moon
05/27/18 11:01:33 AM
#21:


A particular takeaway I have from last night is that it gave me a town feeling from MI. He gave the impression that he could've answered for Alakazam if he wanted to, but instead let it play out. If he were scum with him, I feel he wouldn't have any reason to act like this (he would coach him instead). I also like his reaction to Red claiming I shaded him by both dismissing the notion and asking him a simple question in return (Which Red never answered).

And yes, Deadpool should claim.
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LiquidOshawott
05/27/18 11:02:43 AM
#22:


[8] Prof - Shad, MI, Sceptile, Leo, Chris, Alakazam, Puns, Corrik
[6] Alakazam - Red, (Scare), Han, NewDonker, Arti, FD, prof
[1] Chris - (Corrik), (Puns), Scare
[0] Corrik - (Puns,) (Shad,), (Prof)
[0] No Lynch - (Arti)
[0] FD - (Chris)
[0] Han - (Alakazam)
[0] Shad - (Han)
[0] Scare - (MI)
[0] Leo - (Puns)
[0] Chris - (Scare)

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Day Ends in less than 12 hours , or when lynch reaches a majority
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Alakazamtrainer
05/27/18 11:03:25 AM
#23:


NewDonker posted...
Alakazamtrainer posted...
##Unvote
##Vote: profDeadpool


Claim. Your looking just as bad as I supposedly am. Yet your unclaimed. Do so please.

Someone other than Mr."I claim under pressure as town so I'll claim here" Trainer coreect me if I'm wrong, but I remember Alakazam being very self-deprecating as town in heroes vs villains mafia 2. That game, he was town. Here he seems to be trying to deny the fact he looks bad. Alakazam really is floundering this game, even on the offchance he's town


This is your 2ed post I've seen from you... And the 2ed time your throwing shade. Please post more and what are your thoughts on other players.
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Crescent-Moon
05/27/18 11:03:34 AM
#24:


That has Corrik on two different players..
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turbopuns2
05/27/18 11:04:42 AM
#25:


Wow corrik I'm impressed by your cooperation lol.

@Dark_Young_Link
@eaedwards6400
@foolm0r0n
@RogueNoble

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Alakazamtrainer
05/27/18 11:05:14 AM
#26:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Alakazamtrainer posted...
So your voting for me for what everyone else votes for people, commonly but without a good centralized reason?


I'm not sure what you're saying here.

I'm voting for you because you admitted that you knew Corrik was Town, which if true, only a Scum member should know. I don't buy the cover-up or the claim.


I'm saying, badly, that you have a few very common reason for voting for me, yet nothing that screams your thinking for yourself on this vote....i.e. your vote looks like a bandwagon vote.
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eaedwards6400
05/27/18 11:06:19 AM
#27:


So I asked this yesterday but it was when conversation was a little thicker. What kind of experience does Alakazam have??
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NewDonker
05/27/18 11:07:44 AM
#28:


Alakazamtrainer posted...
NewDonker posted...
Alakazamtrainer posted...
##Unvote
##Vote: profDeadpool


Claim. Your looking just as bad as I supposedly am. Yet your unclaimed. Do so please.

Someone other than Mr."I claim under pressure as town so I'll claim here" Trainer coreect me if I'm wrong, but I remember Alakazam being very self-deprecating as town in heroes vs villains mafia 2. That game, he was town. Here he seems to be trying to deny the fact he looks bad. Alakazam really is floundering this game, even on the offchance he's town


This is your 2ed post I've seen from you... And the 2ed time your throwing shade. Please post more and what are your thoughts on other players.

Alakazamtrainer posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
Alakazamtrainer posted...
So your voting for me for what everyone else votes for people, commonly but without a good centralized reason?


I'm not sure what you're saying here.

I'm voting for you because you admitted that you knew Corrik was Town, which if true, only a Scum member should know. I don't buy the cover-up or the claim.


I'm saying, badly, that you have a few very common reason for voting for me, yet nothing that screams your thinking for yourself on this vote....i.e. your vote looks like a bandwagon vote.

Notice how his next post has that self-deprecation back? Oh Alakazam, never change.
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turbopuns2
05/27/18 11:09:25 AM
#29:


eaedwards6400 posted...
So I asked this yesterday but it was when conversation was a little thicker. What kind of experience does Alakazam have??


He's played plenty of games. On the mafia board but maybe elsewhere. I'm not the best to answer this.

What do you think about deadpool though?
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My Immortal
05/27/18 11:09:40 AM
#30:


My Immortal posted...
Was scanning through the last game on the mafia board that Alakazam was town during and I found this post by him.

Heres a question for all:

Why are we even talking about claming on day one? Whats worse is people who normally say dont claim day one are arguing the point. Regardless of Corriks ability, its to much of a risk and gamble to even claim day one.


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@Alakazamtraineralak any reaction to this?
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eaedwards6400
05/27/18 11:09:44 AM
#31:


I only ask because I get newbie town vibes more than anything else.
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My Immortal
05/27/18 11:10:07 AM
#32:


Wtf happened to that tag

@Alakazamtrainer see above
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My Immortal
05/27/18 11:11:19 AM
#33:


Crescent-Moon posted...
A particular takeaway I have from last night is that it gave me a town feeling from MI. He gave the impression that he could've answered for Alakazam if he wanted to, but instead let it play out. If he were scum with him, I feel he wouldn't have any reason to act like this (he would coach him instead). I also like his reaction to Red claiming I shaded him by both dismissing the notion and asking him a simple question in return (Which Red never answered).

And yes, Deadpool should claim.

I still owe you my nana read. Waiting until I'm at a PC and can type easier
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turbopuns2
05/27/18 11:11:40 AM
#34:


Its autocomplete when you hit space fucks with the tag
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eaedwards6400
05/27/18 11:11:48 AM
#35:


I'm getting really unlucky with these tags. So here is my thoughts with prof. What he is saying doesn't look great to me but from what I recollect he is one of those players that he always looks bad and then ends up flipping town and it sends us in the wrong direction.
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Crescent-Moon
05/27/18 11:12:21 AM
#36:


turbopuns2 posted...
Wow corrik I'm impressed by your cooperation lol.

@Dark_Young_Link
@eaedwards6400
@foolm0r0n
@RogueNoble

Who's up for some mafia?


DYL went so quiet I forgot he even existed. I don't think I've ever seen him this quiet before.
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My Immortal
05/27/18 11:12:53 AM
#37:


eaedwards6400 posted...
I only ask because I get newbie town vibes more than anything else.

Post 14 of this topic I link his most recent town game. You could iso and compare but to me they feel different
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Alakazamtrainer
05/27/18 11:13:25 AM
#38:


My Immortal posted...
My Immortal posted...
Was scanning through the last game on the mafia board that Alakazam was town during and I found this post by him.

Heres a question for all:

Why are we even talking about claming on day one? Whats worse is people who normally say dont claim day one are arguing the point. Regardless of Corriks ability, its to much of a risk and gamble to even claim day one.


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@Alakazamtraineralak any reaction to this?


I find it hard to full claim day 1. And no one really should, however I claimed to head of the pressure to claim knowing I'm vanilla, and knowing that vanilla hard claim to sell... unless they are doing a mass claim
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Crescent-Moon
05/27/18 11:15:12 AM
#39:


My Immortal posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
A particular takeaway I have from last night is that it gave me a town feeling from MI. He gave the impression that he could've answered for Alakazam if he wanted to, but instead let it play out. If he were scum with him, I feel he wouldn't have any reason to act like this (he would coach him instead). I also like his reaction to Red claiming I shaded him by both dismissing the notion and asking him a simple question in return (Which Red never answered).

And yes, Deadpool should claim.

I still owe you my nana read. Waiting until I'm at a PC and can type easier

Alakazam eventually did give an answer last night. I wasn't going to prod you on the topic because I wanted to see what you did with it on your own.
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My Immortal
05/27/18 11:16:28 AM
#40:


Yes he did.

My read on nana is different
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turbopuns2
05/27/18 11:22:10 AM
#41:


eaedwards6400 posted...
I'm getting really unlucky with these tags. So here is my thoughts with prof. What he is saying doesn't look great to me but from what I recollect he is one of those players that he always looks bad and then ends up flipping town and it sends us in the wrong direction.


Nope, I got way too burned by that last game. Well I mean not burned because we had zero mislynches but I was completely wrong about 5/6 of scum because I thought "classic mislynch!" Sometimes a scummy player is just scum. Prof might turn up and show me reasons to let him live but that remains to be seen.
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My Immortal
05/27/18 11:23:39 AM
#42:


Okay at my computer now

Nanahara

What I thought Alakazam was getting at is that town-Nanahara is very active while scum-Nanahara lurks. not the most insightful read since that's true for a lot of people, but I think it's more apparent with Nana since the difference between the two is very drastic.

However, Alakazam seems to be saying that both town and scum Nana lurk day 1 which is just not true and I don't know where he got that impression of.

Nana's made like, what, 5 posts today? So I could see someone suspecting Nana off of that which is where I thought Zam was going. However, I think scum-Nana more than lurking is scared to post. So the post specifically about the game he played at the con he's at -- while that post was marked as people as useless / derailing (which is true) I actually read that as a post scum-Nana wouldn't have made -- he would have been aware of the uselessness of it and refrained out of fear.

This isn't an ironclad read but it's enough for me not to worry about Nana today, when I'm usually a very vocal opponent of idle Nana D1.
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Crescent-Moon
05/27/18 11:26:04 AM
#43:


My Immortal posted...
Yes he did.

My read on nana is different

I'm trying to think if I've ever played a game with Nana before, because I recognize the player, but nothing is springing to mind.
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Crescent-Moon
05/27/18 11:38:13 AM
#44:


eaedwards6400 posted...
I'm getting really unlucky with these tags. So here is my thoughts with prof. What he is saying doesn't look great to me but from what I recollect he is one of those players that he always looks bad and then ends up flipping town and it sends us in the wrong direction.

Sidebar: Why have you felt the need to defend yourself at the start of both catch-up posts?
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turbopuns2
05/27/18 11:46:46 AM
#45:


MI's nana read makes sense to me. I can recall Nana going on random tangents like that as town. The only scum game of his that I'm aware of is FFCC on the mafia board, I'll check that day 1 to see if he did anything like that there.
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eaedwards6400
05/27/18 11:48:05 AM
#46:


Because it was an unfortunate coincidence that someone has tagged me while I was reading on my own.
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NewDonker
05/27/18 11:51:18 AM
#47:


My Immortal posted...
Okay at my computer now

Nanahara

What I thought Alakazam was getting at is that town-Nanahara is very active while scum-Nanahara lurks. not the most insightful read since that's true for a lot of people, but I think it's more apparent with Nana since the difference between the two is very drastic.

However, Alakazam seems to be saying that both town and scum Nana lurk day 1 which is just not true and I don't know where he got that impression of.

Nana's made like, what, 5 posts today? So I could see someone suspecting Nana off of that which is where I thought Zam was going. However, I think scum-Nana more than lurking is scared to post. So the post specifically about the game he played at the con he's at -- while that post was marked as people as useless / derailing (which is true) I actually read that as a post scum-Nana wouldn't have made -- he would have been aware of the uselessness of it and refrained out of fear.

This isn't an ironclad read but it's enough for me not to worry about Nana today, when I'm usually a very vocal opponent of idle Nana D1.

Nana seems to be a good player, couldn't he do that because he though that people would read it like this? Or am I reading too much into this? Nana currently is neutral. I don't feel like he's scum or town yet. He hasn't posted enough to make any solid reads.

Also, can someone summarize the case against deadpool again? I swear I've been reading, but I forgot why people think he's scum
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HanOfTheNekos
05/27/18 12:01:28 PM
#48:


Prof should claim.

And yeah, DYL should be under fire and the only reason I haven't hopped over is because Zam is paying so little attention to attacks on him that I don't think he's reading the game as Town.
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Shaduln
05/27/18 12:07:41 PM
#49:


I've barely even noticed DYL, forgot he was playing. What's the deal with him, Han?
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turbopuns2
05/27/18 12:17:31 PM
#50:


It looks like Nana in that game as scum was no nonsense day 1. Right away he maticulously used math and logic to attack town who were employing bad meta. So this fits and I'm pretty OK with Nana. This doesn't move the needle any on MI of course, so still leaning town there.
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