Current Events > I feel like Hyrule Warriors is a better game than Fire Emblem Warriors.

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I haven't played either, but at a glance, Hyrule seems like it had more love and content put into it, even in its original release. Not to mention the fact that the DLC characters they added for FE Warriors are all clones, which boggles my mind that they resorted to making clones in FE Warriors whereas all the characters in Hyrule are unique, some even with different weapons.

The repetitive, monotonous nature of the Warriors gameplay puts me on the fence for both games, but I'm leaning closer to Hyrule simply because it seems to have more to offer (though to be fair, the Switch version is its third, "Definitive" release, so maybe it's not really a fair comparison).
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Even the vanilla Zelda one was far better as far as characters and quality. Only gameplay types had a leg up then on the Emblem side.

Prognosis: lazy cash grab on a prior success
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So, as someone who has played the original Wii U Hyrule Warriors and Fire Emblem Warriors, perhaps I can offer my thoughts:

The repetitive, monotonous nature of the Warriors gameplay puts me on the fence for both games

Yes. This is part and parcel of the Musou series, so you're going to have to deal with this. Moment-to-moment gameplay is largely very similar regardless of the game you're playing.

My main draw to FEW is its more strategy-based play. You can pair units up and send them to other parts of the map while you focus on one particular thing with the character you control, and can change characters on the fly.

I actually recently learned that the 3DS version of Hyrule Warriors introduced character switching and deployment, and that it had also been incorporated into the Switch version, so that's very attractive to me.

As for "love", you've pretty much got it. The nature of the Zelda series allows for a lot of variety in characters and movesets, not to mention settings, . Fire Emblem remains focused around medieval military, so all the humans in the series are limited to doing human things, with only a few characters using magical variety.

Not every DLC character is a clone, mind you. Azura, Oboro, Olivia, and I think Tharja are all their own moveset. The rest are clones, though, which, given how clone-heavy the main cast is anyway, is a detriment.

I'd probably recommend the Switch HW, but I haven't played it, yet.
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Also, the roster in FEW leaves quite a bit to be desired. Focus on Awakening and Fates mostly, with token service paid to Shadow Dragon, plus Lyn from Blazing Blade and Celica from Echoes.

Hyrule Warriors may have *started* similarly with the focus on OOT, TP, and SS, plus the original Zelda adventure aesthetic, but very quickly the DLC branched out to cover Majora's Mask, Spirit Tracks, Wind Waker, and Link's Awakening. Furthermore, even if a game wasn't represented with a character, almost all games got a bit of a shout-out somewhere.

As far as FEW is concerned, the Jugdral, Magvel, and Tellius sagas don't even exist. :-/
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Gameplay is a lot better in FE.

A.I Is not suicidally bad so commanding them is more than just a glorified body swapping fast travel.

Its nice to not have to dro whatever I am doing every time an ally is in trouble. Often I can just command the right person to go in and fix it for me. They even capture forts quite often instead of roughly once every 200 hours of play like in Hyrule Warriors.

And History mode is better than adventure mode. Far less grinding. Ranking system is much better.
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Is the AI bad in the Switch version as well, though? I only ask because I haven't played since the "Legends" improvements were implemented.

Otherwise, everything pikachupwnage said is correct. Deploying characters in FEW may actually lead to competent things getting done. In Wii U HW, other characters were essentially useless.
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CyricZ posted...

Also, the roster in FEW leaves quite a bit to be desired. Focus on Awakening and Fates mostly, with token service paid to Shadow Dragon, plus Lyn from Blazing Blade and Celica from Echoes.

Hyrule Warriors may have *started* similarly with the focus on OOT, TP, and SS, plus the original Zelda adventure aesthetic, but very quickly the DLC branched out to cover Majora's Mask, Spirit Tracks, Wind Waker, and Link's Awakening. Furthermore, even if a game wasn't represented with a character, almost all games got a bit of a shout-out somewhere.

As far as FEW is concerned, the Jugdral, Magvel, and Tellius sagas don't even exist. :-/

Most that DLC only came with the 3DS Versions release a couple years later though.

Wind Waker, Spirit Tracks and Linkss Awakening was all legends stuff.
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pikachupwnage posted...

Most that DLC only came with the 3DS Versions release a couple years later though.

Wind Waker, Spirit Tracks and Linkss Awakening was all legends stuff.

Noted, but we're currently in a world where the Switch version exists and has everything, so I'd prefer putting these two side by side as they exist now instead of tracking them back historically.
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Plus they didn't add any Fire Emblem characters from the good games, just shitty waifu emblem crap. No Tellius, aka the best Fire Emblem world.

CyricZ posted...

As far as FEW is concerned, the Jugdral, Magvel, and Tellius sagas don't even exist. :-/

Yeah, considering how popular Ike is, it's a travesty that he wasn't included.

It does seem like Awakening+Fates more than anything else, which is another problem for me because I haven't played Fates and kind of lost interest in doing so.
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Having played the definitive edition of Hyrule Warriors, FEW is still the better game

For starters, HW can't keep a stable framerate to save its life. Handheld performance is somehow as bad as the Wii U. FEW offers 30 FPS or 60 FPS locked and rarely drops, if ever.

FEW has more strategy too, akin to the actual games. Commanding the officers you're not controlling at any point is crucial for some history modes. Weapon triangle makes things tricky, cause if you're on the wrong side of it you WILL get destroyed.

People bitch about the roster but forgot how many new characters they had to BS for HW. Fire Emblem has so many characters they can easily make 9 more games featuring all of them, so it makes sense to focus on Awakening and Fates since that's what people recognize the most. Shadow Dragon and Echoes were bonuses because the director had waifus in both
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CyricZ posted...

Not every DLC character is a clone, mind you. Azura, Oboro, Olivia, and I think Tharja are all their own moveset. The rest are clones, though, which, given how clone-heavy the main cast is anyway, is a detriment.

Tharja is a Robin clone except for like two attacks. Linde has a unique moveset, along with Olivia.
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Huh. Now FE is a Warriors game I could be interested in.

And Warriors is a FE game I could find not-frustrating-as-hell.

Unless they continue the FE tradition of keeping your dead allies dead forever.
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DevsBro posted...

Huh. Now FE is a Warriors game I could be interested in.

And Warriors is a FE game I could find not-frustrating-as-hell.

Unless they continue the FE tradition of keeping your dead allies dead forever.

There is an option for that, and you can revive dead teammates for exorbitant amounts of money

IMO it's better to just play normally, especially with how many cheap shots there are in the History mode
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SGT_Conti posted...

CyricZ posted...

Not every DLC character is a clone, mind you. Azura, Oboro, Olivia, and I think Tharja are all their own moveset. The rest are clones, though, which, given how clone-heavy the main cast is anyway, is a detriment.

Tharja is a Robin clone except for like two attacks. Linde has a unique moveset, along with Olivia.

My bad. Thank you.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

For starters, HW can't keep a stable framerate to save its life. Handheld performance is somehow as bad as the Wii U.

Is this true on TV as well?
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CyricZ posted...

pikachupwnage posted...

Most that DLC only came with the 3DS Versions release a couple years later though.

Wind Waker, Spirit Tracks and Linkss Awakening was all legends stuff.

Noted, but we're currently in a world where the Switch version exists and has everything, so I'd prefer putting these two side by side as they exist now instead of tracking them back historically.

True but a lot of people go oh FE team is lazy including so few games HW was so much better about it

Just like to clear that up. Hyrule warriors until Legends was pretty much in the same place. Definite Edition is a better deal content wise because its essentially definite Edition off a definitive edition.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

People bitch about the roster but forgot how many new characters they had to BS for HW.

lol I remember Agitha being a pretty shocking reveal that caught most people off-guard.
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SGT_Conti posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

People bitch about the roster but forgot how many new characters they had to BS for HW.

lol I remember Agitha being a pretty shocking reveal that caught most people off-guard.

Yes, but Agitha has a very unique moveset. Sure, there are plenty of characters in FE that we can continue to go to. The fact is, though, that A) they won't, because the game is finished, and B) they run the risk of yet more clones.
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CyricZ posted...

Also, the roster in FEW leaves quite a bit to be desired. Focus on Awakening and Fates mostly, with token service paid to Shadow Dragon, plus Lyn from Blazing Blade and Celica from Echoes.

While I haven't played either game, this alone makes me not interested in FEW.

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Fire Emblem has so many characters they can easily make 9 more games featuring all of them, so it makes sense to focus on Awakening and Fates since that's what people recognize the most.

Yeah I understand why they did it, but I won't give a single fuck about FEW until I get characters I give a shit about.

CyricZ posted...

As far as FEW is concerned, the Jugdral, Magvel, and Tellius sagas don't even exist. :-/

I've said this to friends before but - people need to accept that FE pre-awakening is going to get significantly shafted in favor of the newer games, because the newer games are the only reason the series even exists still. Had awakening sold poorly, they were planning on ending the series there. So, this is the price you must pay for fire emblem continuing.
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It makes sense for them to focus on the most wildly popular FE games. You'd pretty much need to turn it into Lord Emblem if you wanted proper representation from each game, but I am kind of annoyed they ended up with so many cloned movesets regardless of that decision. That's not even getting into how you only had three lance users who were all pegasus knights in the base version of the game. You'd need DLC if you wanted to fight swords without crumpling to archers.

I still enjoyed the game while I played it, but there are a lot of things it could have done better.
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Punctus_Pilot posted...

Plus they didn't add any Fire Emblem characters from the good games, just shitty waifu emblem crap. No Tellius, aka the best Fire Emblem world.

this is truly absurd. Ike is a money maker, what are they thinking?
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The roster of FEW turned me off; and after having played a good bit of it when a friend bought it, I was very unimpressed. The fact that every character basically shared the same exact attack set, only differed by their ults (which all tend to have the same radius and damage...)

It just felt like it didn't matter who you played; no one was better at crowd control or single target damage; they were all the same...Not even visually different for basic combos.
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Caelthus posted...

CyricZ posted...

As far as FEW is concerned, the Jugdral, Magvel, and Tellius sagas don't even exist. :-/

I've said this to friends before but - people need to accept that FE pre-awakening is going to get significantly shafted in favor of the newer games, because the newer games are the only reason the series even exists still. Had awakening sold poorly, they were planning on ending the series there. So, this is the price you must pay for fire emblem continuing.

I just hate how they're going full ham on the waifu-pandering.
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juicebox4 posted...

Punctus_Pilot posted...

Plus they didn't add any Fire Emblem characters from the good games, just shitty waifu emblem crap. No Tellius, aka the best Fire Emblem world.

this is truly absurd. Ike is a money maker, what are they thinking?

Posterboy for the sequel.

Solar_Crimson posted...

I just hate how they're going full ham on the waifu-pandering.

Eugenics Emblem is the future of the series.

juicebox4 posted...

Punctus_Pilot posted...

Plus they didn't add any Fire Emblem characters from the good games, just shitty waifu emblem crap. No Tellius, aka the best Fire Emblem world.

this is truly absurd. Ike is a money maker, what are they thinking?

he literally isn't tho

tellius games sold like shit
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Oh my god.

I can't fucking escape it.
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At first, I was completely on board with Fire Emblem: Warriors. I even thought of the idea before it came out, thinking that Hyrule Warriors is nice and all, but something like Fire Emblem would be more fitting because

A) in Fire Emblem, you're always fighting huge armies of soldiers anyway, and

B) Fire Emblem has a shit ton of characters to work with. You have something like, 14 games to pull characters from. You wouldn't run out of characters like in Hyrule Warriors, and have to pull from stuff like Agitha. You got Marth, Alm, Sigurd, Leif, Ephraim, Roy, Eirika, Ike, Chrom, etc., etc. Main lords alone could probably fill the roster. And if not, you have 30 years' worth of games to pull other characters from.

So when they announced Fire Emblem Warriors, I was really excited. But no, we got Fire Emblem Fates Warriors instead.

Considering how hard they dropped the ball on something so simple and easy, I have no interest in Fire Emblem Warriors.
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You can justify it all you want, but the fact of the matter is that FEW has a dearth in variety of characters. You can't tell people "You should enjoy it anyway because Awakening saved FE." That's not how it works. A lack of variety will always appear as a lack of variety.
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Freddie_Mercury posted...

juicebox4 posted...

Punctus_Pilot posted...

Plus they didn't add any Fire Emblem characters from the good games, just shitty waifu emblem crap. No Tellius, aka the best Fire Emblem world.

this is truly absurd. Ike is a money maker, what are they thinking?

he literally isn't tho

tellius games sold like shit

They may not have sold well, but Ike is absolutely a fan favorite character of the series.

It makes more sense to chase the money than the lip service, though. Of all people who say "I would totally buy that if [thing] happened/was added?" and how many of them actually do?
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FEW has roster issues. But it's gameplay is so much tighter than HW that it makes it the better game for me.

Yes it has less movesets, but at the very least none of the movesets are miserable to play as and there aren't really any missions that force you to play as a character. HW's has a handful of complete dud characters like Fi that just aren't fun and then you have missions forcing you to play them.

Plus character and weapons skills give you a lot more combustibility options for characters so even if you have to clones you can have them operate differently.

Also History Mode >>>>>> Adventure Mode
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I couldn't stand the garbage MCs in FE:W and it made it very hard to play that far. Whilst I spent over 100 hours on HW.
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CyricZ posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

For starters, HW can't keep a stable framerate to save its life. Handheld performance is somehow as bad as the Wii U.

Is this true on TV as well?

It's better when docked but the frame rate is unlocked; it's like the early 8th gen Dynasty Warriors games
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SGT_Conti posted...

It makes more sense to chase the money than the lip service, though. Of all people who say "I would totally buy that if [thing] happened/was added?" and how many of them actually do?

Ike is a memelord who is most well known for Smash, like Marth and Roy. If Tellius characters were the focus of FEW nobody would buy it because all they know is Ike.

(i love Tellius BTW, just an observation)
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

SGT_Conti posted...

It makes more sense to chase the money than the lip service, though. Of all people who say "I would totally buy that if [thing] happened/was added?" and how many of them actually do?

Ike is a memelord who is most well known for Smash, like Marth and Roy. If Tellius characters were the focus of FEW nobody would buy it because all they know is Ike.

(i love Tellius BTW, just an observation)

No one said anything about focusing it around Tellius, but it's pretty obvious the lack of Ike in this game has caused head scratches. Hell, especially because Ike was in Smash. Like he works as a rep for his series there, but not here?

It's weird, the game play of FE:W is really good where strategy is an important element to make sure your units don't die and the AI can stand up on their own, but the roster is full of clones. Hyrule Warriors has no clones at all and has a very diverse set of characters but it's a pain to play sometimes because you have to babysit the AI.
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Unknown5uspect posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

SGT_Conti posted...

It makes more sense to chase the money than the lip service, though. Of all people who say "I would totally buy that if [thing] happened/was added?" and how many of them actually do?

Ike is a memelord who is most well known for Smash, like Marth and Roy. If Tellius characters were the focus of FEW nobody would buy it because all they know is Ike.

(i love Tellius BTW, just an observation)

No one said anything about focusing it around Tellius, but it's pretty obvious the lack of Ike in this game has caused head scratches. Hell, especially because Ike was in Smash. Like he works as a rep for his series there, but not here?

Apparently the game was slightly rushed for the Switch, hence the amount of clones and absences. But even so they mentioned that Ike and friends would be some of the first to appear on a sequel

Which concerns me, because if they make a sequel full of non Fateswakening characters it might sell poorly and Ike and Micaiah might almost kill off Fire Emblem again
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Hyrule Warriors >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Spidey5 posted...

Hyrule Warriors >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>no voice acting besides the fucking fairies and some grunts
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That's a good thing, lmao. No one wants to hear the embarassing, cliche, JRPG tier lines voiced in english you get with Fire Emblem.
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Spidey5 posted...

That's a good thing, lmao. No one wants to hear the embarassing, cliche, JRPG tier lines voiced in english you get with Fire Emblem.

>not playing Shadows of Valentia
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We're talking about FEW. Stop greentexting.
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I was pretty shocked when I realized Ike wasn't in it. In fact, I was kinda getting the game with him involved. I don't understand what people didn't like about FE9 and 10. I loved those games. 10 was...difficult to get into after 9 but I played 9 so much ><

dameon_reaper posted...

I was pretty shocked when I realized Ike wasn't in it. In fact, I was kinda getting the game with him involved. I don't understand what people didn't like about FE9 and 10. I loved those games. 10 was...difficult to get into after 9 but I played 9 so much ><

I don't think it's that people didn't like those games (well, maybe FE10) but people just weren't interested or didn't know about the series.

Spidey5 posted...

That's a good thing, lmao. No one wants to hear the embarassing, cliche, JRPG tier lines voiced in english you get with Fire Emblem.

But I wanted to hear "It's dangerous to go alone, Princess. Take me!" voiced.
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FEW is better in every way except for fanservice
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Spidey5 posted...

We're talking about FEW. Stop greentexting.

>Unironically implying Celica, Lianna, Minerva, male Robin, female Corrin, or Chrom/Ryoma have bad voice actors
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Spidey5 posted...

We're talking about FEW. Stop greentexting.

>Unironically implying Celica, Lianna, Minerva, male Robin, female Corrin, or Chrom/Ryoma have bad voice actors

You'll be worth my time when you stop greentexting.

SGT_Conti posted...

dameon_reaper posted...

I was pretty shocked when I realized Ike wasn't in it. In fact, I was kinda getting the game with him involved. I don't understand what people didn't like about FE9 and 10. I loved those games. 10 was...difficult to get into after 9 but I played 9 so much ><

I don't think it's that people didn't like those games (well, maybe FE10) but people just weren't interested or didn't know about the series.

Spidey5 posted...

That's a good thing, lmao. No one wants to hear the embarassing, cliche, JRPG tier lines voiced in english you get with Fire Emblem.

But I wanted to hear "It's dangerous to go alone, Princess. Take me!" voiced.

Lol, I just imagined an awkwardly voiced Cia trying to sound sexy as she talks down to Link. >__>
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@Spidey5

Unironically implying Celica, Lianna, Minerva, male Robin, female Corrin, or Chrom/Ryoma have bad voice actors

Square up

Lol, I just imagined an awkwardly voiced Cia trying to sound sexy as she talks down to Link. >__>


That's because most of Hyrule Warriors' cast have trash personalities and moves
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