Poll of the Day > parents go to courts to force their son to move out of their home

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http://newschannel20.com/news/offbeat/camillus-parents-seek-courts-help-to-get-adult-son-to-move-out
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@TheWorstPoster

did you recently get a name change?
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Good on the parents. Hope they enjoy their child-free lives together.

@HelIWithoutSin
@Cacciato
@Smarkil

i think you guys will enjoy this article because it reminds me so much of a certain some1
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"According to filings by the couple, they have been informed that because Michael is a family member, they can only have him removed from the home through an ejectment proceeding."

This is sad. The parents should be allowed to just kick him out.
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wwinterj25 posted...

"According to filings by the couple, they have been informed that because Michael is a family member, they can only have him removed from the home through an ejectment proceeding."

This is sad. The parents should be allowed to just kick him out.

agreed wwinterj25
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bump
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Poor kid

I like how in the video at the top of the page, the thumbnail is of a Children at Play sign. I was hoping it would then show kids out in the street riding their bikes before cutting to the 30 year old playing tetherball in the front yard.
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HANGtheDJ_86 posted...

Poor kid

The guy is 30. Poor parents. Next update is May 22.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/22/couple-seeks-courts-help-to-evict-30-year-old-son-from-their-home.html

judge sided with the parents. the guy has to leave the home

@HelIWithoutSin
@TheWorstPoster
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Lol
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It pretty much just seemed like a legal eviction process. Nothing crazy.
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I wonder how many times they asked their kid before they had him if he wanted to be born or not.
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Everybody seems to be jerking each other off in the comment section do the article. Anyway, I wonder if his parent like him much... Idk why, but it's just a random thought that crossed my mind... Well, it happens... Hope he finds somewhere to live...
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Isn't a normal eviction 30 days? Seems weird that they'd expect him to do it in 14, although I guess he had a lot of time to get his shit in order since they first tried getting rid of him back in February. Hopefully things work out for the guy but, given that he already looks homeless, I don't expect that they will.
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Why didn't the parents just hire a female actor to pretend to fall in love with him and convince him to get their own place so they can get busy, than break up with him.
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maybe if he actually contributed in some way, any way, his parents wouldve been more willing to work with him

@TheWorstPoster
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zebatov posted...

I wonder how many times they asked their kid before they had him if he wanted to be born or not.

Poor guy.

He's 30, the dude has lived three decades with his parents, that may literally end up being half of his life with them. Unless you have some sort of debilitating health concerns, there's zero reason to still live with your parents at that age in America. We don't have a society of families like some other countries do. You're supposed to spread your wings and get out there on your own.

edededdy posted...

maybe if he actually contributed in some way, any way, his parents wouldve been more willing to work with him

Probably would have been a good idea for him to at least try that, tbh...
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Zangulus posted...

Zeus posted...

Isn't a normal eviction 30 days? Seems weird that they'd expect him to do it in 14, although I guess he had a lot of time to get his shit in order since they first tried getting rid of him back in February. Hopefully things work out for the guy but, given that he already looks homeless, I don't expect that they will.

Evictions are based on local laws and commonly are frequency of payment. If you pay every 30. They have to give you 30.

I have also seen a case where a women wanted to kick her ex boyfriend out of her apartment because he wouldn't leave after they broke up, but the state said she's not allowed to kick him out as she willingly let him into her home and allowed him to live there for months already (don't remember which state this was). She called the police and told them to remove him from her property but they refused after hearing about the details.
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does anybody think the parents were in the wrong?

TigerTycoon posted...

Zangulus posted...

Zeus posted...

Isn't a normal eviction 30 days? Seems weird that they'd expect him to do it in 14, although I guess he had a lot of time to get his shit in order since they first tried getting rid of him back in February. Hopefully things work out for the guy but, given that he already looks homeless, I don't expect that they will.

Evictions are based on local laws and commonly are frequency of payment. If you pay every 30. They have to give you 30.

I have also seen a case where a women wanted to kick her ex boyfriend out of her apartment because he wouldn't leave after they broke up, but the state said she's not allowed to kick him out as she willingly let him into her home and allowed him to live there for months already (don't remember which state this was). She called the police and told them to remove him from her property but they refused after hearing about the details.

That's kind of dumb. I think that he should get a set amount of time to gather his things and look for a place. But she should definitely be able to kick him out. They were dating and now they're not... It's pretty simple and makes sense...
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AirJordan2345 posted...

does anybody think the parents were in the wrong?

I can't say for sure. I mean, legally, they're right. But morally, it would depend on the full scope of the situation. There are most likely other factors at play. And because we have no idea what it's like to be in that family, we don't know. Like, he could've been a very sheltered child. And may not have learned the correct skills to live out on his own. Or maybe he moved away for like 4 years to go to college and came back and realized he doesn't like working or paying rent and crap and decided to stay there. We only know the information from the articles...
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kinda surprised this stuff doesn't happen more often.

Zangulus posted...

TigerTycoon posted...

Zangulus posted...

Zeus posted...

Isn't a normal eviction 30 days? Seems weird that they'd expect him to do it in 14, although I guess he had a lot of time to get his shit in order since they first tried getting rid of him back in February. Hopefully things work out for the guy but, given that he already looks homeless, I don't expect that they will.

Evictions are based on local laws and commonly are frequency of payment. If you pay every 30. They have to give you 30.

I have also seen a case where a women wanted to kick her ex boyfriend out of her apartment because he wouldn't leave after they broke up, but the state said she's not allowed to kick him out as she willingly let him into her home and allowed him to live there for months already (don't remember which state this was). She called the police and told them to remove him from her property but they refused after hearing about the details.

Youre going to need to provide some references. The state wouldnt have a say in it. The courts would. And the idea that courts wouldnt evict him is suspicious on those grounds.

The police wouldnt get involved though.

If he was living there, as in getting his mail there or having a utility bill in his name there, then that's his residence, period. You can't just kick someone out of their own home. She made the mistake of letting him make it his home too. She has to go through the eviction process to remove him.
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AirJordan2345 posted...

kinda surprised this stuff doesn't happen more often.

I'm not, tbh. I know a lot of parent who just charge rent for their kids. And either they are happy with getting a little extra money. Or the children decide they could use the money they are paying them and get their own place where they can do whatever they want.

The ones that don't fit into that category probably either have parents that don't mind them staying, don't know that they can kick them out, or are scared to kick them out because they don't want their child to end up homeless or on the streets or whatever.

Obviously, there are many other categories and exceptions. But these are probably(maybe) the majority, I think...
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so this dude wasn't being charged rent? i think he wasn't employed either.

HelIWithoutSin posted...

Zangulus posted...

TigerTycoon posted...

Zangulus posted...

Zeus posted...

Isn't a normal eviction 30 days? Seems weird that they'd expect him to do it in 14, although I guess he had a lot of time to get his shit in order since they first tried getting rid of him back in February. Hopefully things work out for the guy but, given that he already looks homeless, I don't expect that they will.

Evictions are based on local laws and commonly are frequency of payment. If you pay every 30. They have to give you 30.

I have also seen a case where a women wanted to kick her ex boyfriend out of her apartment because he wouldn't leave after they broke up, but the state said she's not allowed to kick him out as she willingly let him into her home and allowed him to live there for months already (don't remember which state this was). She called the police and told them to remove him from her property but they refused after hearing about the details.

Youre going to need to provide some references. The state wouldnt have a say in it. The courts would. And the idea that courts wouldnt evict him is suspicious on those grounds.

The police wouldnt get involved though.

If he was living there, as in getting his mail there or having a utility bill in his name there, then that's his residence, period. You can't just kick someone out of their own home. She made the mistake of letting him make it his home too. She has to go through the eviction process to remove him.

I can agree if a utility bill for the house was in his name. But not just if you're getting mail. As I said, I think they should give him a good amount of time to leave. but he should leave at some point. She would probably like to move along with her life. If they were both on the lease, then it's different. And I would probably try to move if I was her. Especially if she has family in the area. But it all depends on the details...
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LinkPizza posted...

AirJordan2345 posted...

does anybody think the parents were in the wrong?

I can't say for sure. I mean, legally, they're right. But morally, it would depend on the full scope of the situation. There are mostly likely other factors at play. And because we have no idea what it's like to be in that family, we don't know. Like, he could've been a very sheltered child. And may not have learned the correct skills to live out on his own. Or maybe he moved away for like 4 years to go to college and came back and realized he doesn't like working or paying rent and crap and decided to stay there. We only know the information from the articles...

This is the best answer, really. We really don't know enough to judge who has the moral high ground.
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AirJordan2345 posted...

so this dude wasn't being charged rent? i think he wasn't employed either.

That what it seems like from some of the things he said... And from what the note said...
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LinkPizza posted...

I can agree if a utility bill for the house was in his name. But not just if you're getting mail.

That's why there are eviction courts. Getting your mail there would establish that you live there, but not necessarily that you can stay, and in that case, would have 30 days to move.
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HelIWithoutSin posted...

LinkPizza posted...

I can agree if a utility bill for the house was in his name. But not just if you're getting mail.

That's why there are eviction courts. Getting your mail there would establish that you live there, but not necessarily that you can stay, and in that case, would have 30 days to move.

Yep. I do agree with having to go to eviction court or whatever. Like, I have a friend who's mail comes here because he wanted me to collect while he was deployed. And he still hasn't told all his friends and family or whatever. So, I still get stuff here every once in a while. Doesn't mean he can just come and stay here...
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LinkPizza posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

LinkPizza posted...

I can agree if a utility bill for the house was in his name. But not just if you're getting mail.

That's why there are eviction courts. Getting your mail there would establish that you live there, but not necessarily that you can stay, and in that case, would have 30 days to move.

Yep. I do agree with having to go to eviction court or whatever. Like, I have a friend who's mail comes here because he wanted me to collect while he was deployed. And he still hasn't told all his friends and family or whatever. So, I still get stuff here every once in a while. Doesn't mean he can just come and stay here...

Of course not. I'm talking about evicting someone, not someone moving in.
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DarkKirby2500 posted...

Why didn't the parents just hire a female actor to pretend to fall in love with him and convince him to get their own place so they can get busy, than break up with him.

It'd be one way to get him to launch. I wonder what Sarah Jessica Parker is doing these days...

AirJordan2345 posted...

does anybody think the parents were in the wrong?

For what? Letting it get to this point? Sure, on some level they might have failed as parents. The fact that his hygiene is non-existent and that they couldn't even get him to pitch in on chores (something he *should* have started doing by middle school) shows that they didn't bring him up right, which might be part of the reason for his current situation. However, at some point he really needs to step up for himself. If the guy doesn't want to change, he's always going to be a bum.

Personally, though, I think it's cold as hell for parents to kick out a child who can't care for himself but I get the impression that they feel like they exhausted their options and recognize that they aren't getting anywhere with him. On the other hand, if a girlfriend or wife was supporting a lazy bum, I'd be all for it if they wised up and kicked him to the curb because they don't owe the guy shit.
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GanglyKhan posted...

zebatov posted...

I wonder how many times they asked their kid before they had him if he wanted to be born or not.

Poor guy.

He's 30, the dude has lived three decades with his parents, that may literally end up being half of his life with them. Unless you have some sort of debilitating health concerns, there's zero reason to still live with your parents at that age in America. We don't have a society of families like some other countries do. You're supposed to spread your wings and get out there on your own.

Says who?

If they evict him and he has nowhere to go, they're endangering his life. If they evict him and he doesn't leave, he'll end up in jail. Real nice parents who made the conscious decision to create life.

HelIWithoutSin posted...

LinkPizza posted...

I can agree if a utility bill for the house was in his name. But not just if you're getting mail.

That's why there are eviction courts. Getting your mail there would establish that you live there, but not necessarily that you can stay, and in that case, would have 30 days to move.

Living there six months and a day out of one year establishes that you live there. Nothing else.
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zebatov posted...

Living there six months and a day out of one year establishes that you live there. Nothing else.

Not at all. Most states recognize that a person continually living at a residence with permission for more than 30 days establishes that person as a tenant.
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zebatov posted...

Living there six months and a day out of one year establishes that you live there. Nothing else.

Are you trying to say half a year?
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HelIWithoutSin posted...

zebatov posted...

Living there six months and a day out of one year establishes that you live there. Nothing else.

Not at all. Most states recognize that a person continually living at a residence with permission for more than 30 days establishes that person as a tenant.

Does it matter who gave the permission?
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HelIWithoutSin posted...

zebatov posted...

Living there six months and a day out of one year establishes that you live there. Nothing else.

Not at all. Most states recognize that a person continually living at a residence with permission for more than 30 days establishes that person as a tenant.

Residency or tenancy? Because doesn't tenancy require a contract?
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LinkPizza posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

zebatov posted...

Living there six months and a day out of one year establishes that you live there. Nothing else.

Not at all. Most states recognize that a person continually living at a residence with permission for more than 30 days establishes that person as a tenant.

Does it matter who gave the permission?

It has to be someone with authority to do so, so the landlord or another tenant that controls the space being occupied. It can't be the next door neighbor or Gummy Joe down at the Pen Island Bar.
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HelIWithoutSin posted...

LinkPizza posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

zebatov posted...

Living there six months and a day out of one year establishes that you live there. Nothing else.

Not at all. Most states recognize that a person continually living at a residence with permission for more than 30 days establishes that person as a tenant.

Does it matter who gave the permission?

It has to be someone with authority to do so, so the landlord or another tenant that controls the space being occupied. It can't be the next door neighbor or Gummy Joe down at the Pen Island Bar.

What if you and your SO co-own a place. And the SO gives them permission while you were away. And then after you got back from you work trip or whatever, you ask them to leave. Can you do that?
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Zeus posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

zebatov posted...

Living there six months and a day out of one year establishes that you live there. Nothing else.

Not at all. Most states recognize that a person continually living at a residence with permission for more than 30 days establishes that person as a tenant.

Residency or tenancy? Because doesn't tenancy require a contract?

Tenancy. Contracts aren't required but sure as hell help to prevent abuse of the system. If no contract exists, most states consider it a month to month tenancy. A person being evicted is usually allowed to stay at the residence until the eviction process completes and is then given 30 days to vacate. Squatters know this well.
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HelIWithoutSin posted...

Zeus posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

zebatov posted...

Living there six months and a day out of one year establishes that you live there. Nothing else.

Not at all. Most states recognize that a person continually living at a residence with permission for more than 30 days establishes that person as a tenant.

Residency or tenancy? Because doesn't tenancy require a contract?

Tenancy. Contracts aren't required but sure as hell help to prevent abuse of the system. If no contract exists, most states consider it a month to month tenancy. A person being evicted is usually allowed to stay at the residence until the eviction process completes and is then given 30 days to vacate. Squatters know this well.

Oh, found an article discussing the mechanics:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/when-house-guest-tenant-what-do-overstays-welcome-monica-teasley/

Tenancy apparently requires either an exchange of money or an agreement to pay rent (but not necessarily a contract), which opens up legal protections. A guest (ie, doesn't agree to pay) doesn't have access to those protections and can be arrested for trespassing.
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LinkPizza posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

LinkPizza posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

zebatov posted...

Living there six months and a day out of one year establishes that you live there. Nothing else.

Not at all. Most states recognize that a person continually living at a residence with permission for more than 30 days establishes that person as a tenant.

Does it matter who gave the permission?

It has to be someone with authority to do so, so the landlord or another tenant that controls the space being occupied. It can't be the next door neighbor or Gummy Joe down at the Pen Island Bar.

What if you and your SO co-own a place. And the SO gives them permission while you were away. And then after you got back from you work trip or whatever, you ask them to leave. Can you do that?

Generally, if it's been more than 30 days and they don't want to leave, then you'd have to evict them. If you mean your SO still gives them permission to be there and you don't, then I have no idea, but I doubt the person would have to leave until being evicted if that's possible at all since the person has permission from at least one of the owners of the property.
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Zeus posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

Zeus posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

zebatov posted...

Living there six months and a day out of one year establishes that you live there. Nothing else.

Not at all. Most states recognize that a person continually living at a residence with permission for more than 30 days establishes that person as a tenant.

Residency or tenancy? Because doesn't tenancy require a contract?

Tenancy. Contracts aren't required but sure as hell help to prevent abuse of the system. If no contract exists, most states consider it a month to month tenancy. A person being evicted is usually allowed to stay at the residence until the eviction process completes and is then given 30 days to vacate. Squatters know this well.

Oh, found an article discussing the mechanics:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/when-house-guest-tenant-what-do-overstays-welcome-monica-teasley/

Tenancy apparently requires either an exchange of money or an agreement to pay rent (but not necessarily a contract), which opens up legal protections. A guest (ie, doesn't agree to pay) doesn't have access to those protections and can be arrested for trespassing.

Right, but after 30 days, most states consider a guest a tenant, though I'm not sure at that point if rent or the intent to pay rent at that point matters.
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HelIWithoutSin posted...

LinkPizza posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

LinkPizza posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

zebatov posted...

Living there six months and a day out of one year establishes that you live there. Nothing else.

Not at all. Most states recognize that a person continually living at a residence with permission for more than 30 days establishes that person as a tenant.

Does it matter who gave the permission?

It has to be someone with authority to do so, so the landlord or another tenant that controls the space being occupied. It can't be the next door neighbor or Gummy Joe down at the Pen Island Bar.

What if you and your SO co-own a place. And the SO gives them permission while you were away. And then after you got back from you work trip or whatever, you ask them to leave. Can you do that?

Generally, if it's been more than 30 days and they don't want to leave, then you'd have to evict them. If you mean your SO still gives them permission to be there and you don't, then I have no idea, but I doubt the person would have to leave until being evicted if that's possible at all since the person has permission from at least one of the owners of the property.

That doesn't sound right. I think I have to do some research. I mean, I don't see how staying 30 days automatically gives you the right to just stay until they evict you...
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