Current Events > Why Fallout 3 is definitively the best Fallout in creation. Video explanation.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE" data-time="

I didn't even know about much of this, I usually play the game in two route, good or bad and have similar directional paths.

Something like giving Butch your BB rifle so he can complete his own damn quest (something Fallout 4 and Preston specifically can learn) or if you deny Amata giving you the gun (which is something I would never do, who denies a gun in a game like Fallout?), only for her to use the gun in the following event, is quite simply, inconceivable to me.

The very idea offends me and I am ashamed it didn't exist. I haven't finished the video, but I hope it covers the role playing elements in the deeply enriched Tenpenny quest tower and the role playing game breaker, Mesmetron.
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Why Fallout 3 definitively isnt the best Fallout in creation. Explanation From My Butt.
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SMAP- posted...

Why Fallout 3 definitively isnt the best Fallout in creation. Explanation From My Butt.

Butt how can you say that?
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Not gonna watch the video, New Vegas was better.
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JTilly posted...

Not gonna watch the video, New Vegas was better.

Yes, i imagine anything that requires attention span greater than a video about a monkey eating his own poop would be far too challenging for the average NV fan to undertake.

My apologies.
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Fallout 2 >
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OEIO999 posted...

JTilly posted...

Not gonna watch the video, New Vegas was better.

Yes, i imagine anything that requires attention span greater than a video about a monkey eating his own poop would be far too challenging for the average NV fan to undertake.

My apologies.

Your video is almost 2 fucking hours. And it took him like 2 minutes before he uses "if youre not A then you're B" type comments made by internet trolls as the basis for his whole argument. I'm actually curious if even you watched it.
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good video

fallout 3 still cheeks tho
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JTilly posted...

Not gonna watch the video, New Vegas was better.

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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

OEIO999 posted...

JTilly posted...

Not gonna watch the video, New Vegas was better.

Yes, i imagine anything that requires attention span greater than a video about a monkey eating his own poop would be far too challenging for the average NV fan to undertake.

My apologies.

Your video is almost 2 fucking hours. And it took him like 2 minutes before he uses "if youre not A then you're B" type comments made by internet trolls as the basis for his whole argument. I'm actually curious if even you watched it.

Not my video, but i think I get what you're saying. Pretty sure identifying the premise of his video, which is THE divided fanbase, NOT the united fanbase, which i am sure there are some, doesn't take away from what's shown in the video.

It's like when people announce, this video is for vegans, but I know not all Vegans are bad, so this video is not about you, but then they presume its about them anyways, since they are vegans and vegans are scum of the earth.

Or how some right get offended when people ostracise nazi/nationalistic behavior as an affront to all right behavior, it's all relative you see.

And no I haven't watched it, I am watching it, only saw like 10 minutes and I am blown away by things that I didn't even know about, for a game i have spent hundreds of hours playing.
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OEIO999 posted...

Or how some leftists get offended when people ostracise nazi/nationalistic behavior as an affront to all leftist behavior, it's all relative you see.

yup here we go
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bob742omb posted...

OEIO999 posted...

Or how some leftists get offended when people ostracise nazi/nationalistic behavior as an affront to all leftist behavior, it's all relative you see.

yup here we go

Wrong side, actually now that i think about it, I don't recall which side is what, I have been away from CE too long.
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im completely flabbergasted that it wasnt a shitty joseph anderson video where he plays devils advocate for a terrible game and hates good ones for the 2000th time
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jborgan posted...

Fallout 2 >

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Fallout 3 is a lot better as a role playing game than Fallout 4. That much is fact. I'd say it's a better game pe-*POST HAS STOPPED WORKING!*
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Fallout 2 is the best. Anyone who disagrees isn't a real fan, just some rando who joined after Bethesda got the rights.
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3 has the better setting and atmosphere

NV has the better gameplay
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I too was baised towards New Vegas and thought this video was 2 hours of "Fallout 3 is better and New Vegas sucks balls and so do you if you like New Vegas over Fallout 3", but I saw that this was not the case when he mentioned that New Vegas was very linear. This was exactly one thing I never liked about New Vegas. In Fallout 3, once you leae the Vault, you are free to go anywhere you like. New Vegas, however, places near impassable barriers to force you down a linear corridor to the next relevant event in the main quest. He also notes that Fallout 3 is packed with entirely optional locations that are far beyond the main (and most side) quest's path, such as Oasis, the various radio towers, and Takoma Park, whereas New Vegas have the quest paths essentially cover almost every corner of the map, leaving relatively few locations for an adventurous explorer to find. He goes on to explore many more fascinating aspects I had never thought of myself, and I now have a better understanding and greater appreciation o Fallout 3.

So, if you have two hours to spare and are fan of Fallout, then this video is worth your time.
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JTilly posted...

Not gonna watch the video, New Vegas was better.

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Thompson posted...

I too was baised towards New Vegas and thought this video was 2 hours of "Fallout 3 is better and New Vegas sucks balls and so do you if you like New Vegas over Fallout 3", but I saw that this was not the case when he mentioned that New Vegas was very linear. This was exactly one thing I never liked about New Vegas. In Fallout 3, once you leae the Vault, you are free to go anywhere you like. New Vegas, however, places near impassable barriers to force you down a linear corridor to the next relevant event in the main quest. He also notes that Fallout 3 is packed with entirely optional locations that are far beyond the main (and most side) quest's path, such as Oasis, the various radio towers, and Takoma Park, whereas New Vegas have the quest paths essentially cover almost every corner of the map, leaving relatively few locations for an adventurous explorer to find. He goes on to explore many more fascinating aspects I had never thought of myself, and I now have a better understanding and greater appreciation o Fallout 3.

So, if you have two hours to spare and are fan of Fallout, then this video is worth your time.

I am up to the part where he highlights why the mutants were in Vault tech hq in DC, that is mindblowing. They are on their own Fallout 1 vault quest, FEV is running out,

I had never questioned why the mutants were doing what they were doing, I just thought they were dumb and needed to be killed. But i just found out, its Fallout 1, flipped on its head, where they don't have a leading figure like Master controlling the helms and Masters worst nightmare is coming to realization in DC, where the Mutants are trying hopelessly to figure out how to solve the dwindling FEV resources in CW. Their species is in itself going extinct, just like Master was warned about. The mutants themselves are going on a Fallout 1 and 3 quest for self-preservation.

That's...genius.
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pegusus123456 posted...

jborgan posted...

Fallout 2 >

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Delta_F14 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLJ1gyIzg78" data-time="

The video i posted references it.
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3 Good game.
Vegas is also a good game.
4 is also a good game.

Fight me.
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iPhone_7 posted...

3 Good game.
Vegas is also a good game.
4 is also a good game.

Fight me.

That's all well and fine, but are you a iPhone user? Because in that case, i question your decisions in life, do you enjoy being masochist?
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Fallout 3 was the best, not even gonna watch the video

vocedelmorte posted...

Fallout 3 was the best, not even gonna watch the video

You should, it gives you retrospect you didn't even know the game had. And the guy has a solid British voice, so ya know, those are always charming to listen to.
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Been looking forward to watching this but it came out while I was away on holiday so I haven't had chance yet. Jon really knows his stuff with regards to Fallout 3 and New Vegas specifically; if you check out any of his playthroughs I almost guarantee you'll learn something new even if you're a long time fan.

I'm pretty sure it was his JSawyer mod playthrough of New Vegas that someone on here recommended over a year ago that got me subscribed to MATN in the first place so thanks to whoever that guy was.
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Just found out the single best thing about Fallout 3, the ant woman and robot man quest and hubris comics side option. Nothing in the game tells you about the connection, but if you go to Hubris comics building, it opens up a dialogue option with the crazy ant lady.

And you can access a terminal with, i think a video game similar to Fallout 4. A random terminal in a area no one tells you to visit, gives you all that.

The depth is unreal.
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OEIO999 posted...

Just found out the single best thing about Fallout 3, the ant woman and robot man quest and hubris comics side option. The depth is unreal.

Yeah Fallout 3 is an absolutely phenomenal game.
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ultimate reaver posted...

im completely flabbergasted that it wasnt a shitty joseph anderson video where he plays devils advocate for a terrible game and hates good ones for the 2000th time

Sounds like someone is insecure about their opinions
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

3 has the better setting and atmosphere

NV has the better gameplay

Agreed, NV improved the gameplay and introduced the iron sights. NV also greater collection of weapons and armours.

Also jury-rigged, single best perk in Fallout.
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I just install a Tale of Two Wastelands and go about my business.
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jborgan posted...

Fallout 2 >

Had they even played Fallout 2 or is it just two hours of screeching about New Vegas?
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all of these things are known and experienced as long as you play the game and pay attention to more than just shooting things
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OEIO999 posted...

Thompson posted...

I too was baised towards New Vegas and thought this video was 2 hours of "Fallout 3 is better and New Vegas sucks balls and so do you if you like New Vegas over Fallout 3", but I saw that this was not the case when he mentioned that New Vegas was very linear. This was exactly one thing I never liked about New Vegas. In Fallout 3, once you leae the Vault, you are free to go anywhere you like. New Vegas, however, places near impassable barriers to force you down a linear corridor to the next relevant event in the main quest. He also notes that Fallout 3 is packed with entirely optional locations that are far beyond the main (and most side) quest's path, such as Oasis, the various radio towers, and Takoma Park, whereas New Vegas have the quest paths essentially cover almost every corner of the map, leaving relatively few locations for an adventurous explorer to find. He goes on to explore many more fascinating aspects I had never thought of myself, and I now have a better understanding and greater appreciation o Fallout 3.

So, if you have two hours to spare and are fan of Fallout, then this video is worth your time.

I am up to the part where he highlights why the mutants were in Vault tech hq in DC, that is mindblowing. They are on their own Fallout 1 vault quest, FEV is running out,

I had never questioned why the mutants were doing what they were doing, I just thought they were dumb and needed to be killed. But i just found out, its Fallout 1, flipped on its head, where they don't have a leading figure like Master controlling the helms and Masters worst nightmare is coming to realization in DC, where the Mutants are trying hopelessly to figure out how to solve the dwindling FEV resources in CW. Their species is in itself going extinct, just like Master was warned about. The mutants themselves are going on a Fallout 1 and 3 quest for self-preservation.

That's...genius.

I agree completely. I as well though the mutants were just Bethesda being lazy and iserting a Fallout 1 faction into the game so as to provide a more threatening adversary than the raiders and slavers. That they're explained as the twisted remnants of a Vault experiment is minblowingly clever, and turns the mutants from faction of generic baddies with a "base" (akin to the Talon Company and their Fort Constantine) to a tragic foe. Afterall, they've resided in the vault for two centuries, creating new mutants from hapless wastelanders and settlers until the tanks began to empty. Without an intelligent leader (or a leader at all), they've erroneously deduced that all vaults have FEV, leading to discovering the approximate and the ongoing search for the location of the Vault-Tec HQ, and from there then learn the locations of the vaults of the Capital Wasteland. But even if they did succeed, the mutants are doomed to extinction nonethelss. I can only guess that they were extremely numerous twenty years before the events of Fallout 3, but might be in just a few short years after the events of Fallout 3 be all but gone, espcially now that the Lone Wanderer pretty much slaughtered the vault mutants along with any semblance of leadership they ever possessed.
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lol 2 hour video
what kind of fucking nerd would watch some other nerd talk about a video game for 2 hours
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Thompson posted...

I can only guess that they were extremely numerous twenty years before the events of Fallout 3

Sort of. FO1 spoilers. The Master is the villain in Fallout 1. He wanted to forcibly evolve humans into a perfect race (ie super mutants) to remove their inequalities that he believed caused all human strife. As genocidal dudes go, he wasn't all that bad. Only purebred humans could be evolved (pretty much just Vault Dwellers) and he planned to simply sterilize all the others, letting them live out their lives in peace. But to achieve his plan, he made a fuckload of super mutants.
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Fallout 3 was the first Fallout I spent more than a couple hours in (I tried to get into Fallout 2 and sucked ass at making a character and then I got killed traveling down a road from the starting point and quit). I post this so you know where I'm coming from.

Fallout 3 was a boring ass game.

I started playing it on release but had to shelve it... Mustered up the strength to beat it several years after its release, but I just never once felt compelled by the story or the world. It feels like a series of disjointed vignettes as opposed to one comprehensive world, and it doesn't help that a quarter of the game is the DC metro and that they made it stupidly easy to skip like half the story if you just want to explore.
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Hexenherz posted...

I tried to get into Fallout 2 and sucked ass at making a character and then I got killed traveling down a road from the starting point and quit)

Less to do with you being bad at making a character and more to do with Fallout 2 kind of sucking in the beginning.
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1> new vegas = 2> poopy fart > 3 > blazing turd > 4
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Gonna just go ahead and finally stop caring about this dead horse of a debate. When even Bethesda wised up enough to distance itself as much as it could from 3 in both lore and design when it made 4, it's pretty much a moot point.
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I like how NV could have had all this type of detail but Bethesda made them rush the game and tons of content got left out.
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JTilly posted...

Not gonna watch the video. 2 HOURS IS INSANE!

Agreed.
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Fallout 3 is a better game if you want something more casual/simply to play and just go wander to do as you like (which Bethesda do really well tbh)

New Vegas seemed more in the style of their older games and focused on the story aspect of the game, over doing as you please.
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M_Live posted...

I really want to watch this video but holy fuck it's long. Fallout 3 has a special place for me though, as it came out at a bad time in my life and literally helped me get through it. I absolutely detest the subway/sewer system that you have to spend so much time navigating though.

It's definitely worth your time, trust me.
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I played 3, New Vegas, and 4. The only one I loved was 3.
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M_Live posted...

Thompson posted...

M_Live posted...

I really want to watch this video but holy fuck it's long. Fallout 3 has a special place for me though, as it came out at a bad time in my life and literally helped me get through it. I absolutely detest the subway/sewer system that you have to spend so much time navigating though.

It's definitely worth your time, trust me.

I've been watching on and off throughout the day as I've been busy, but there are a lot of really fucking cool little details that he points out that I had no idea about. Shrug, I loved FO3 regardless but this is still an interesting watch. I do agree with the points he makes about the hypocrisy of people saying there's no depth/role playing aspects to the quests when shit like Megaton and Little Lamplight exist.

But ultimately it boils down to a really transparent "are u good or are u bad" mechanic, and there are very, very few choices like the one as intense as what you find in Megaton (which is so friggin' early on in the game). In fact Megaton itself is an utterly ridiculous decision to present to a player so early on since you don't even have an understanding of what the world is like yet or who everyone is.

And, the choice you make in Megaton has very little bearing outside of its immediate area. That's the problem with Fallout 3, you encounter a problem, you choose how to resolve it, and that's it. There are choices, and you can roleplay, but your choices don't mean anything. You can easily appeal to the slavers in one instance then side with ghouls in another and it doesn't make a difference at all.
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