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Axiom 05/17/18 11:06:28 PM #52:	Lando always seemed like a swinger. It's really stupid that people would be upset about this <cite>Axiom posted [p:901542589] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>Lando always seemed like a swinger. It's really stupid that people would be upset about this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/17/18 11:06:35 PM #53:	Zodd3224 posted... darkjedilink posted... TheVipaGTS posted... nemu posted... TheVipaGTS posted... nemu posted... ut it is just a sign of the larger issue of dumb, unnecessary pandering to people who don't actually care at all about the series that's the thing though. Unnecessary? Yea i guess but this is a thing that exists in reality. We're progressing towards a time where this shit isn't as taboo and as a result you'll see it added into movies and media as a way to normalize it...because its just that...a normal thing that exists in the world and isn't a big deal. It shouldn't be a big deal. And things like this are helping move it towards the "not a big deal" category...it seems forced and "Pandering" because, yes it kind of is....we just happen to be living in the moment where people are trying to remove the stigma of harmless shit like this...I don't see that as a bad thing. There is a difference between removing a stigma to allow for the natural flow of idea, and the ideas being forcefully inserted to purposely fulfill some quota or agenda. There will be some slight overlap between the two, but this is definitely the latter going by what the writer said. Rewriting characters or adding traits to be more progressive will generally always fall into that. It feels forced and unnecessary when there are much better ways to let it happen naturally. and i agree with you...but the thing is people will ALWAYS see it as a negative. even if it was a brand new movie with a new character and THIS was a trait of his, people would still bitch and moan.."AWW MAN this is PANDERING SJW Nonsense!". By adding it into a known character in a big universe it makes much more of an impact. Its not like they changed him drastically and how he appears on screen. this is just a trait that will appear on his Wikipedia page. the movie itself remains intact as it would be without it. its the little things like this that will help normalize this stuff. We need to move past this bull shit of being afraid of this stuff and understand that it is a reality and it doesn't make the person any less of a person just as it won't make Lando any less of a character on screen... If it was written well, and wasn't forced, let them bitch. Why is it BETTER to re-write an established character to force it in a situation where it isn't necessary? Why is it BETTER to re-write an established character to push an agenda when they're already introducing a shit-ton of new characters, any one of which could be it instead and avoid the controversy completely? Even if they wrote in a new character as pansexual you all would still say its an agenda and you would still bitch about it. Again, if it's well-written, let people bitch. How about you answer the question and tell me why this is better? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901542596] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>ut it is just a sign of the larger issue of dumb, unnecessary pandering to people who don't actually care at all about the series</quote> that's the thing though. Unnecessary? Yea i guess but this is a thing that exists in reality. We're progressing towards a time where this shit isn't as taboo and as a result you'll see it added into movies and media as a way to normalize it...because its just that...a normal thing that exists in the world and isn't a big deal. It shouldn't be a big deal. And things like this are helping move it towards the "not a big deal" category...it seems forced and "Pandering" because, yes it kind of is....we just happen to be living in the moment where people are trying to remove the stigma of harmless shit like this...I don't see that as a bad thing.</quote> There is a difference between removing a stigma to allow for the natural flow of idea, and the ideas being forcefully inserted to purposely fulfill some quota or agenda. There will be some slight overlap between the two, but this is definitely the latter going by what the writer said. Rewriting characters or adding traits to be more progressive will generally always fall into that. It feels forced and unnecessary when there are much better ways to let it happen naturally.</quote> and i agree with you...but the thing is people will ALWAYS see it as a negative. even if it was a brand new movie with a new character and THIS was a trait of his, people would still bitch and moan.."AWW MAN this is PANDERING SJW Nonsense!". By adding it into a known character in a big universe it makes much more of an impact. Its not like they changed him drastically and how he appears on screen. this is just a trait that will appear on his Wikipedia page. the movie itself remains intact as it would be without it. its the little things like this that will help normalize this stuff. We need to move past this bull shit of being afraid of this stuff and understand that it is a reality and it doesn't make the person any less of a person just as it won't make Lando any less of a character on screen...</quote> If it was written well, and wasn't forced, let them bitch. Why is it BETTER to re-write an established character to force it in a situation where it isn't necessary? Why is it BETTER to re-write an established character to push an agenda when they're already introducing a shit-ton of new characters, any one of which could be it instead and avoid the controversy completely?</quote> Even if they wrote in a new character as pansexual you all would still say its an agenda and you would still bitch about it.</quote> Again, if it's well-written, let people bitch. How about you answer the question and tell me why this is better?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Ivory_Man 05/17/18 11:06:55 PM #54:	Darmik posted... The stuff in Solo with Lando seems similar to that single comment in Skyfall that people freaked out about. Also for no real reason. It's not a line, it's one of the writers that said he was pan. Also to the the "well if it's not specifically stated" crowd. How would you feel if a seemingly gay character was revealed to be bi, and in a married relationship with children in a sequel? --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan <cite>The_Ivory_Man posted [p:901542622] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>The stuff in Solo with Lando seems similar to that single comment in Skyfall that people freaked out about. Also for no real reason.</quote> It's not a line, it's one of the writers that said he was pan. Also to the the "well if it's not specifically stated" crowd. How would you feel if a seemingly gay character was revealed to be bi, and in a married relationship with children in a sequel?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 05/17/18 11:07:22 PM #55:	darkjedilink posted... Zodd3224 posted... darkjedilink posted... TheVipaGTS posted... nemu posted... TheVipaGTS posted... nemu posted... ut it is just a sign of the larger issue of dumb, unnecessary pandering to people who don't actually care at all about the series that's the thing though. Unnecessary? Yea i guess but this is a thing that exists in reality. We're progressing towards a time where this shit isn't as taboo and as a result you'll see it added into movies and media as a way to normalize it...because its just that...a normal thing that exists in the world and isn't a big deal. It shouldn't be a big deal. And things like this are helping move it towards the "not a big deal" category...it seems forced and "Pandering" because, yes it kind of is....we just happen to be living in the moment where people are trying to remove the stigma of harmless shit like this...I don't see that as a bad thing. There is a difference between removing a stigma to allow for the natural flow of idea, and the ideas being forcefully inserted to purposely fulfill some quota or agenda. There will be some slight overlap between the two, but this is definitely the latter going by what the writer said. Rewriting characters or adding traits to be more progressive will generally always fall into that. It feels forced and unnecessary when there are much better ways to let it happen naturally. and i agree with you...but the thing is people will ALWAYS see it as a negative. even if it was a brand new movie with a new character and THIS was a trait of his, people would still bitch and moan.."AWW MAN this is PANDERING SJW Nonsense!". By adding it into a known character in a big universe it makes much more of an impact. Its not like they changed him drastically and how he appears on screen. this is just a trait that will appear on his Wikipedia page. the movie itself remains intact as it would be without it. its the little things like this that will help normalize this stuff. We need to move past this bull shit of being afraid of this stuff and understand that it is a reality and it doesn't make the person any less of a person just as it won't make Lando any less of a character on screen... If it was written well, and wasn't forced, let them bitch. Why is it BETTER to re-write an established character to force it in a situation where it isn't necessary? Why is it BETTER to re-write an established character to push an agenda when they're already introducing a shit-ton of new characters, any one of which could be it instead and avoid the controversy completely? Even if they wrote in a new character as pansexual you all would still say its an agenda and you would still bitch about it. Again, if it's well-written, let people bitch. How about you answer the question and tell me why this is better? Why is it worse? --- "Just Karate chop the nightmare into submission." -Laurie1527 <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:901542655] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>ut it is just a sign of the larger issue of dumb, unnecessary pandering to people who don't actually care at all about the series</quote> that's the thing though. Unnecessary? Yea i guess but this is a thing that exists in reality. We're progressing towards a time where this shit isn't as taboo and as a result you'll see it added into movies and media as a way to normalize it...because its just that...a normal thing that exists in the world and isn't a big deal. It shouldn't be a big deal. And things like this are helping move it towards the "not a big deal" category...it seems forced and "Pandering" because, yes it kind of is....we just happen to be living in the moment where people are trying to remove the stigma of harmless shit like this...I don't see that as a bad thing.</quote> There is a difference between removing a stigma to allow for the natural flow of idea, and the ideas being forcefully inserted to purposely fulfill some quota or agenda. There will be some slight overlap between the two, but this is definitely the latter going by what the writer said. Rewriting characters or adding traits to be more progressive will generally always fall into that. It feels forced and unnecessary when there are much better ways to let it happen naturally.</quote> and i agree with you...but the thing is people will ALWAYS see it as a negative. even if it was a brand new movie with a new character and THIS was a trait of his, people would still bitch and moan.."AWW MAN this is PANDERING SJW Nonsense!". By adding it into a known character in a big universe it makes much more of an impact. Its not like they changed him drastically and how he appears on screen. this is just a trait that will appear on his Wikipedia page. the movie itself remains intact as it would be without it. its the little things like this that will help normalize this stuff. We need to move past this bull shit of being afraid of this stuff and understand that it is a reality and it doesn't make the person any less of a person just as it won't make Lando any less of a character on screen...</quote> If it was written well, and wasn't forced, let them bitch. Why is it BETTER to re-write an established character to force it in a situation where it isn't necessary? Why is it BETTER to re-write an established character to push an agenda when they're already introducing a shit-ton of new characters, any one of which could be it instead and avoid the controversy completely?</quote> Even if they wrote in a new character as pansexual you all would still say its an agenda and you would still bitch about it.</quote> Again, if it's well-written, let people bitch. How about you answer the question and tell me why this is better?</quote> Why is it worse?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/17/18 11:08:09 PM #56:	Darmik posted... darkjedilink posted... Did I ever say anything about the movie being explicit about it? Again, it's not even out yet, and numerous articles have speculated on it, to the point that a news reporter actually asked about it. It doesn't take a lot of effort to ask a question. And yes articles speculated over this because Lando calls Han baby. That's what people are freaking out and making a big deal over. That's why you think this movie will be shit. No, I think the movie will be shit because the only good Star Wars movie Disney has released has been TFA. Rewriting established characters for no reason kinda does that. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901542693] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Did I ever say anything about the movie being explicit about it? Again, it's not even out yet, and numerous articles have speculated on it, to the point that a news reporter actually asked about it.</quote> It doesn't take a lot of effort to ask a question. And yes articles speculated over this because Lando calls Han baby. That's what people are freaking out and making a big deal over. That's why you think this movie will be shit.</quote> No, I think the movie will be shit because the only good Star Wars movie Disney has released has been TFA. Rewriting established characters for no reason kinda does that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/17/18 11:09:04 PM #57:	Zodd3224 posted... darkjedilink posted... Zodd3224 posted... Even if they wrote in a new character as pansexual you all would still say its an agenda and you would still bitch about it. Again, if it's well-written, let people bitch. How about you answer the question and tell me why this is better? Why is it worse? Because it's shitty writing. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:901542763] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Even if they wrote in a new character as pansexual you all would still say its an agenda and you would still bitch about it.</quote> Again, if it's well-written, let people bitch. How about you answer the question and tell me why this is better?</quote> Why is it worse?</quote> Because it's shitty writing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 05/17/18 11:09:32 PM #58:	darkjedilink posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... But he saw it here and maybe on Twitter and/Or Reddit. So, you know, it's everywhere Typing "Lando Calrissian" into Google Search has "Lando Calrissian pansexual" as the first suggested search term. https://bit.ly/2IsfuvV But, yeah - just here and "maybe on Twitter and/or Reddit." Oh man now Disney control Google searches? The_Ivory_Man posted... It's not a line, it's one of the writers that said he was pan. Not really. So, given the opportunity to speak with father-and-son Solo co-writers Lawrence and Jonathan Kasdan, I asked them about Landos possible sexual fluidity. Is he pansexual? I would say yes, Jonathan Kasdan emphatically said. Theres a fluidity to Donald and Billy Dees [portrayal of Landos] sexuality, Kasdan continued. I mean, I would have loved to have gotten a more explicitly LGBT character into this movie. I think its time, certainly, for that, and I love the fluidity sort of the spectrum of sexuality that Donald appeals to and that droids are a part of. He doesnt make any hard and fast rules. I think its fun, Kasdan said. I dont know where it will go. What statement here is upsetting? He seems to base it on the actors more than the writing. The_Ivory_Man posted... How would you feel if a seemingly gay character was revealed to be bi, and in a married relationship with children in a sequel? Who's an example? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:901542789] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>But he saw it here and maybe on Twitter and/Or Reddit. So, you know, it's everywhere</quote> Typing "Lando Calrissian" into Google Search has "Lando Calrissian pansexual" as the first suggested search term. https://bit.ly/2IsfuvV But, yeah - just here and "maybe on Twitter and/or Reddit."</quote> Oh man now Disney control Google searches? <cite>The_Ivory_Man posted...</cite> <quote>It's not a line, it's one of the writers that said he was pan.</quote> Not really. <quote> So, given the opportunity to speak with father-and-son Solo co-writers Lawrence and Jonathan Kasdan, I asked them about Landos possible sexual fluidity. Is he pansexual? I would say yes, Jonathan Kasdan emphatically said. Theres a fluidity to Donald and Billy Dees [portrayal of Landos] sexuality, Kasdan continued. I mean, I would have loved to have gotten a more explicitly LGBT character into this movie. I think its time, certainly, for that, and I love the fluidity sort of the spectrum of sexuality that Donald appeals to and that droids are a part of. He doesnt make any hard and fast rules. I think its fun, Kasdan said. I dont know where it will go.</quote> What statement here is upsetting? He seems to base it on the actors more than the writing. <cite>The_Ivory_Man posted...</cite> <quote>How would you feel if a seemingly gay character was revealed to be bi, and in a married relationship with children in a sequel?</quote> Who's an example?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 05/17/18 11:10:07 PM #59:	darkjedilink posted... Zodd3224 posted... darkjedilink posted... Zodd3224 posted... Even if they wrote in a new character as pansexual you all would still say its an agenda and you would still bitch about it. Again, if it's well-written, let people bitch. How about you answer the question and tell me why this is better? Why is it worse? Because it's shitty writing. Why? --- "Just Karate chop the nightmare into submission." -Laurie1527 <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:901542842] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Even if they wrote in a new character as pansexual you all would still say its an agenda and you would still bitch about it.</quote> Again, if it's well-written, let people bitch. How about you answer the question and tell me why this is better?</quote> Why is it worse?</quote> Because it's shitty writing.</quote> Why?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 05/17/18 11:11:29 PM #60:	The_Ivory_Man posted... How would you feel if a seemingly gay character was revealed to be bi, and in a married relationship with children in a sequel? Good point. Technically not a direct contradiction, since bisexuality is attraction to both men and women, but it's still incongruous and an unexpected change for no reason other than pandering. And I say this as a bi dude myself. --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:901542931] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Ivory_Man posted...</cite> <quote>How would you feel if a seemingly gay character was revealed to be bi, and in a married relationship with children in a sequel?</quote> Good point. Technically not a direct contradiction, since bisexuality is attraction to both men and women, but it's still incongruous and an unexpected change for no reason other than pandering. And I say this as a bi dude myself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 05/17/18 11:12:02 PM #61:	Axiom posted... Lando always seemed like a swinger. It's really stupid that people would be upset about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1IFrFx4juE" data-time=" --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:901542964] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote>Lando always seemed like a swinger. It's really stupid that people would be upset about this</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1IFrFx4juE" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 05/17/18 11:13:58 PM #62:	Funbazooka posted... The_Ivory_Man posted... How would you feel if a seemingly gay character was revealed to be bi, and in a married relationship with children in a sequel? Good point. Technically not a direct contradiction, since bisexuality is attraction to both men and women, but it's still incongruous and an unexpected change for no reason other than pandering. And I say this as a bi dude myself. You are bi, bit you still always go out of your way to take the conservative viewpoint, even in a ridiculous instance like this. --- "Just Karate chop the nightmare into submission." -Laurie1527 <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:901543081] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Ivory_Man posted...</cite> <quote>How would you feel if a seemingly gay character was revealed to be bi, and in a married relationship with children in a sequel?</quote> Good point. Technically not a direct contradiction, since bisexuality is attraction to both men and women, but it's still incongruous and an unexpected change for no reason other than pandering. And I say this as a bi dude myself.</quote> You are bi, bit you still always go out of your way to take the conservative viewpoint, even in a ridiculous instance like this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 05/17/18 11:17:19 PM #63:	This doesn't really have anything to do with conservatism. If Lando had been a sexual blank slate in the previous movies, I wouldn't have an issue with this. --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:901543309] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>This doesn't really have anything to do with conservatism. If Lando had been a sexual blank slate in the previous movies, I wouldn't have an issue with this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 05/17/18 11:18:15 PM #64:	Funbazooka posted... This doesn't really have anything to do with conservatism. If Lando had been a sexual blank slate in the previous movies, I wouldn't have an issue with this. Do you know how bisexual people work Because you claim to be one and yet --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:901543356] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>This doesn't really have anything to do with conservatism. If Lando had been a sexual blank slate in the previous movies, I wouldn't have an issue with this.</quote> Do you know how bisexual people work Because you claim to be one and yet</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 05/17/18 11:20:00 PM #65:	Funbazooka posted... This doesn't really have anything to do with conservatism. If Lando had been a sexual blank slate in the previous movies, I wouldn't have an issue with this. Yes it does. And what does that mean? Is there definitive proof from the previous movies he wasnt attracted to men? And even if there was (there isnt) are they not allowed to take any liberties with the source material at all? --- "Just Karate chop the nightmare into submission." -Laurie1527 <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:901543499] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>This doesn't really have anything to do with conservatism. If Lando had been a sexual blank slate in the previous movies, I wouldn't have an issue with this.</quote> Yes it does. And what does that mean? Is there definitive proof from the previous movies he wasnt attracted to men? And even if there was (there isnt) are they not allowed to take any liberties with the source material at all?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 05/17/18 11:22:20 PM #66:	Not liking social justice pandering is not an exclusively conservative position. Far from it. Classic liberals detest it too. --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:901543640] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>Not liking social justice pandering is not an exclusively conservative position. Far from it. Classic liberals detest it too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 05/17/18 11:23:33 PM #67:	Darmik posted... It's funny because all of this is because Lando calls Han 'baby' and that's about it. Really? I greet many people with "oh hey babe" and a pucker and lip smack. I'm not pansexual. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:901543708] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>It's funny because all of this is because Lando calls Han 'baby' and that's about it.</quote> Really? I greet many people with "oh hey babe" and a pucker and lip smack. I'm not pansexual.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 05/17/18 11:24:19 PM #68:	Funbazooka posted... Not liking social justice pandering is not an exclusively conservative position. Far from it. Classic liberals detest it too. Nice response --- "Just Karate chop the nightmare into submission." -Laurie1527 <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:901543749] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Not liking social justice pandering is not an exclusively conservative position. Far from it. Classic liberals detest it too.</quote> Nice response</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 05/17/18 11:25:01 PM #69:	Thank you kind sir. --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:901543785] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>Thank you kind sir.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 05/17/18 11:26:29 PM #70:	It is a pointless change that is pointless to complain about. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:901543857] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>It is a pointless change that is pointless to complain about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 05/18/18 6:16:16 AM #71:	Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... Darmik posted... It's funny because all of this is because Lando calls Han 'baby' and that's about it. Really? I greet many people with "oh hey babe" and a pucker and lip smack. I'm not pansexual. While I don't care about this change... it is odd people claiming oh he had to be pan/bi from what we saw before. All we say of him before when it came to that was the smoothest dude in a galaxy far far away. I think people who are suggesting this stuff or off base. Now I can See Finn being Asexual. Because that is the kind of thing that they would do to his character. Dude you ain't getting the lovely Rey , or the homely Rose. You are getting yourself . --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:901556758] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>It's funny because all of this is because Lando calls Han 'baby' and that's about it.</quote> Really? I greet many people with "oh hey babe" and a pucker and lip smack. I'm not pansexual.</quote> While I don't care about this change... it is odd people claiming oh he had to be pan/bi from what we saw before. All we say of him before when it came to that was the smoothest dude in a galaxy far far away. I think people who are suggesting this stuff or off base. Now I can See Finn being Asexual. Because that is the kind of thing that they would do to his character. Dude you ain't getting the lovely Rey , or the homely Rose. You are getting yourself .</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 05/18/18 6:20:14 AM #72:	Lando DEFINITELY held some orgies and slept with anything that could move. Not sure why this revelation is shocking to people tbh. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:901556849] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>Lando DEFINITELY held some orgies and slept with anything that could move. Not sure why this revelation is shocking to people tbh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
au_gold 05/18/18 6:29:43 AM #73:	Its unnecessary, but its not the reason why the movie is going to suck. --- Let me talk to your mother. Get your mother please. <cite>au_gold posted [p:901557083] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>Its unnecessary, but its not the reason why the movie is going to suck.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tamashiini 05/18/18 7:04:57 AM #74:	Funkydog posted... Lando DEFINITELY held some orgies and slept with anything that could move. Not sure why this revelation is shocking to people tbh. Right? I feel the same way about ~~Captain Kirk~~, but hoo boy does that opinion set people off. --- PSN: helicene Careful, Icarus. <cite>tamashiini posted [p:901557941] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote>Lando DEFINITELY held some orgies and slept with anything that could move. Not sure why this revelation is shocking to people tbh.</quote> Right? I feel the same way about Captain Kirk, but hoo boy does that opinion set people off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sopfed 05/18/18 7:17:17 AM #75:	Some people will always get upset about anything that doesn't preserve the status quo. I can totally see Lando as a charming, lusty pansexual who will seduce anybody and everybody. Perfect fit. And I support having more diverse and representative characters in things, because representation matters to people who haven't historically been represented as the 'default' character in everything since the dawn of film. All that said, this shouldn't practically matter much anyway, unless they're planning on turning Star Wars into a softcore porn flick, which would be a mistake regardless of the sexualities contained within. --- Q <cite>sopfed posted [p:901558219] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>Some people will always get upset about anything that doesn't preserve the status quo. I can totally see Lando as a charming, lusty pansexual who will seduce anybody and everybody. Perfect fit. And I support having more diverse and representative characters in things, because representation matters to people who haven't historically been represented as the 'default' character in everything since the dawn of film. All that said, this shouldn't practically matter much anyway, unless they're planning on turning Star Wars into a softcore porn flick, which would be a mistake regardless of the sexualities contained within.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/18/18 7:21:45 AM #76:	sopfed posted... unless they're planning on turning Star Wars into a softcore porn flick, which would be a mistake regardless of the sexualities contained within. Hey speak for yourself here. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:901558341] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>sopfed posted...</cite> <quote>unless they're planning on turning Star Wars into a softcore porn flick, which would be a mistake regardless of the sexualities contained within.</quote> Hey speak for yourself here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 05/18/18 7:46:27 AM #77:	I just figured it was an excuse to have him fuck aliens --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:901558993] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>I just figured it was an excuse to have him fuck aliens</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 05/18/18 8:00:31 AM #78:	I actually wouldn't care much if they decided to make Lando bisexual, but promoting this "pansexual" nonsense that is just a pseudoscientific snowflake label isn't progressive at all. I mean, oddly, pansexuality might actually make a lot more sense in the SW universe than in ours because there are probably lots of people who fuck aliens and such outside their species, and I'd suspect Lando would certainly do that. But that's not how it's being used based on the quotes. And SJWs certainly don't use that word to mean people who fuck animals, so it's a deliberate choice to pander. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:901559389] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>I actually wouldn't care much if they decided to make Lando bisexual, but promoting this "pansexual" nonsense that is just a pseudoscientific snowflake label isn't progressive at all. I mean, oddly, pansexuality might actually make a lot more sense in the SW universe than in ours because there are probably lots of people who fuck aliens and such outside their species, and I'd suspect Lando would certainly do that. But that's not how it's being used based on the quotes. And SJWs certainly don't use that word to mean people who fuck animals, so it's a deliberate choice to pander.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/18/18 8:06:35 AM #79:	The Admiral posted... pansexuality might actually make a lot more sense in the SW universe That's the point yo. Pansexuality is vastly more applicable in a fictional universe with multiple sapient species. The fact that you're butthurt about the term's origins and that people you don't like use the term is irrelevant to this discussion, really. The only reason pansexuality exists as a term is because we have people who don't squarely fit into one end of the spectrum. Non-binary people, trans folks who are actively transitioning, and so forth. It's meant to imply that such attractions are not aberrations. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:901559568] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>pansexuality might actually make a lot more sense in the SW universe</quote> That's the point yo. Pansexuality is vastly more applicable in a fictional universe with multiple sapient species. The fact that you're butthurt about the term's origins and that people you don't like use the term is irrelevant to this discussion, really. The only reason pansexuality exists as a term is because we have people who don't squarely fit into one end of the spectrum. Non-binary people, trans folks who are actively transitioning, and so forth. It's meant to imply that such attractions are not aberrations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 05/18/18 8:09:22 AM #80:	pansexuality afaik is not pseudoscientific and is an actual thing I think it's stupid to retroactively determine Lando's sexuality rather than make a new character --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:901559661] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>pansexuality afaik is not pseudoscientific and is an actual thing I think it's stupid to retroactively determine Lando's sexuality rather than make a new character</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/18/18 8:10:54 AM #81:	Zero_Destroyer posted... I think it's stupid to retroactively determine Lando's sexuality rather than make a new character Why's that? The PT in Star Wars retroactively determined a lot of things: why Vader turned, how the Jedi got wiped out, and so forth. What makes a sexuality any different? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:901559710] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>I think it's stupid to retroactively determine Lando's sexuality rather than make a new character </quote> Why's that? The PT in Star Wars retroactively determined a lot of things: why Vader turned, how the Jedi got wiped out, and so forth. What makes a sexuality any different?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 05/18/18 8:27:15 AM #82:	CyricZ posted... Why's that? The PT in Star Wars retroactively determined a lot of things: why Vader turned, how the Jedi got wiped out, and so forth. What makes a sexuality any different? These are not really comparable Vader was established as a villain who was a fallen hero in the OT and the number of Jedi were scarce/near nonexistent with vague implication things happened. These are ideas that effect the story and things that can be expanded upon in a prequel. Changing entire character traits in a way that was never even implied in the original content doesn't accurately describe Vader's origin story or the fall of the Jedi. We had a general idea in the OT that those things happened. Lando retroactively being pansexual is more or less on the same boat as Dumbledore retroactively becoming gay. Do I oppose either character being this on principle? No, but the writer saying this is the case without actually having the balls to, y'know, make it a part of the story, strikes me as cowardly. They're willing to be social progressives on the issue except they won't put in the actual effort of portraying it in their story, so they can say "oh yeah they're gay/bisexual/pansexual/etc" after doing the story work as lip service. It's hashtag activism. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:901560205] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> Why's that? The PT in Star Wars retroactively determined a lot of things: why Vader turned, how the Jedi got wiped out, and so forth. What makes a sexuality any different?</quote> These are not really comparable Vader was established as a villain who was a fallen hero in the OT and the number of Jedi were scarce/near nonexistent with vague implication things happened. These are ideas that effect the story and things that can be expanded upon in a prequel. Changing entire character traits in a way that was never even implied in the original content doesn't accurately describe Vader's origin story or the fall of the Jedi. We had a general idea in the OT that those things happened. Lando retroactively being pansexual is more or less on the same boat as Dumbledore retroactively becoming gay. Do I oppose either character being this on principle? No, but the writer saying this is the case without actually having the balls to, y'know, make it a part of the story, strikes me as cowardly. They're willing to be social progressives on the issue except they won't put in the actual effort of portraying it in their story, so they can say "oh yeah they're gay/bisexual/pansexual/etc" after doing the story work as lip service. It's hashtag activism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 05/18/18 8:40:01 AM #83:	CyricZ posted... The fact that you're butthurt about the term's origins and that people you don't like use the term is irrelevant to this discussion, really. It's not really irrelevant, since it's clear the term is being used to appeal to LGBT audiences. Here is the direct quote: When explicitly asked about Lando's gender identity by Huffington Post, Kasdan said, "Theres a fluidity to Donald and Billy Dee's (portrayal of Landos) sexuality." He continued, "I mean, I would have loved to have gotten a more explicitly LGBT character into this movie. I think its time, certainly, for that, and I love the fluidity sort of the spectrum of sexuality that Donald appeals to and that droids are a part of. I actually don't have any issue with Lando hitting on a female droid and such, but I do have issues with 1) this being spun as a way to pander to LGBT audiences, and 2) this being used as an excuse to validate "pansexuality" as a real thing in our universe. Unless, of course, people are fine with others assuming that pansexual means they want to fuck animals and computers... which I'm guessing is not the case. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:901560636] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> The fact that you're butthurt about the term's origins and that people you don't like use the term is irrelevant to this discussion, really.</quote> It's not really irrelevant, since it's clear the term is being used to appeal to LGBT audiences. Here is the direct quote: <quote>When explicitly asked about Lando's gender identity by Huffington Post, Kasdan said, "Theres a fluidity to Donald and Billy Dee's (portrayal of Landos) sexuality." He continued, "I mean, I would have loved to have gotten a more explicitly LGBT character into this movie. I think its time, certainly, for that, and I love the fluidity sort of the spectrum of sexuality that Donald appeals to and that droids are a part of.</quote> I actually don't have any issue with Lando hitting on a female droid and such, but I do have issues with 1) this being spun as a way to pander to LGBT audiences, and 2) this being used as an excuse to validate "pansexuality" as a real thing in our universe. Unless, of course, people are fine with others assuming that pansexual means they want to fuck animals and computers... which I'm guessing is not the case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/18/18 8:42:35 AM #84:	It's fair to criticize that this isn't really employed in the story, but all this conversation is happening outside of the narrative anyway. It's also the same with Dumbledore being gay. It only ever came to light when Rowling revealed quite some time later and in response to questions, specifically with regards to his relationship with Grindelwald. The Lando situation is the same. People observed Lando's flirtatious behavior towards Han and someone asked the question, so Jonathan Kasdan had a response. Zero_Destroyer posted... Changing entire character traits What character traits of Lando have been changed? As to the accusation of hashtag activism, is this going to happen every time a character is made gay or bi or trans, or anything outside of the norm and it turns out it's not directly impacting on the narrative? Do content creators have to get permission with the straight population before employing such a character? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:901560741] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>It's fair to criticize that this isn't really employed in the story, but all this conversation is happening outside of the narrative anyway. It's also the same with Dumbledore being gay. It only ever came to light when Rowling revealed quite some time later and in response to questions, specifically with regards to his relationship with Grindelwald. The Lando situation is the same. People observed Lando's flirtatious behavior towards Han and someone asked the question, so Jonathan Kasdan had a response. <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>Changing entire character traits</quote> What character traits of Lando have been changed? As to the accusation of hashtag activism, is this going to happen every time a character is made gay or bi or trans, or anything outside of the norm and it turns out it's not directly impacting on the narrative? Do content creators have to get permission with the straight population before employing such a character?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 05/18/18 8:46:23 AM #85:	reads 15 posts This topic is sad and people who hate on bi and pansexuality are even more sad --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:901560888] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>reads 15 posts This topic is sad and people who hate on bi and pansexuality are even more sad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 05/18/18 8:48:28 AM #86:	CyricZ posted... As to the accusation of hashtag activism, is this going to happen every time a character is made gay or bi or trans, or anything outside of the norm and it turns out it's not directly impacting on the narrative? Do content creators have to get permission with the straight population before employing such a character? You know the answer there. The people who care about this the most will complain incessantly about it regardless if it played a role in the story or not. Because they deem anything that perhaps may be a slight bit of pandering to be a slight against humanity and the biggest issue of our time. People will bitch regardless, might as well just do it and tell the crybabies to pound salt --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:901560962] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>As to the accusation of hashtag activism, is this going to happen every time a character is made gay or bi or trans, or anything outside of the norm and it turns out it's not directly impacting on the narrative? Do content creators have to get permission with the straight population before employing such a character?</quote> You know the answer there. The people who care about this the most will complain incessantly about it regardless if it played a role in the story or not. Because they deem anything that perhaps may be a slight bit of pandering to be a slight against humanity and the biggest issue of our time. People will bitch regardless, might as well just do it and tell the crybabies to pound salt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 05/18/18 8:52:01 AM #87:	As to the accusation of hashtag activism, is this going to happen every time a character is made gay or bi or trans, or anything outside of the norm and it turns out it's not directly impacting on the narrative? This isn't about a character "turning out to be X". This is about making this the case in a way that's not even brought up by the material, only by the writer in passing, even when they put no prior effort into making this the case. It could be a character trait that doesn't have a lot of impact on the narrative, but it's not even a character trait if the writer is informing us of its existence external to the work they wrote. Do content creators have to get permission with the straight population before employing such a character? No? Things like "Show, don't tell" have nothing to do with sexuality. This has to do with good writing and how a writer saying a character has traits unestablished by the work is inherently lazy and edges into being insulting if you're only doing it for activist points. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:901561085] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><quote>As to the accusation of hashtag activism, is this going to happen every time a character is made gay or bi or trans, or anything outside of the norm and it turns out it's not directly impacting on the narrative? </quote> This isn't about a character "turning out to be X". This is about making this the case in a way that's not even brought up by the material, only by the writer in passing, even when they put no prior effort into making this the case. It could be a character trait that doesn't have a lot of impact on the narrative, but it's not even a character trait if the writer is informing us of its existence external to the work they wrote. <quote>Do content creators have to get permission with the straight population before employing such a character?</quote> No? Things like "Show, don't tell" have nothing to do with sexuality. This has to do with good writing and how a writer saying a character has traits unestablished by the work is inherently lazy and edges into being insulting if you're only doing it for activist points.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 05/18/18 8:55:04 AM #88:	Y'all make every little thing that falls outside the norm political, but then don't understand how those norms and status quo are themselves political. Some people want some buss with their puss with some pan garnishes and would be just fine without all the impotent nerd rage. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:901561192] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>Y'all make every little thing that falls outside the norm political, but then don't understand how those norms and status quo are themselves political. Some people want some buss with their puss with some pan garnishes and would be just fine without all the impotent nerd rage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/18/18 9:06:45 AM #89:	Zero_Destroyer posted... even when they put no prior effort into making this the case. Disagree. My evidence is the aforementioned flirting with Han that brought this question up in the first place. The Admiral posted... since it's clear the term is being used to appeal to LGBT audiences I guess one man's "representation" is another's "pandering" and the criteria for that is usually "if it's not about ME, then it's pandering". Or hashtag activism. I guess the complaining will happen regardless. I guess we DO need the straight community's approval on when sexuality is "too much" or "too little" as part of a person's character. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:901561588] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>even when they put no prior effort into making this the case.</quote> Disagree. My evidence is the aforementioned flirting with Han that brought this question up in the first place. <cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote> since it's clear the term is being used to appeal to LGBT audiences</quote> I guess one man's "representation" is another's "pandering" and the criteria for that is usually "if it's not about ME, then it's pandering". Or hashtag activism. I guess the complaining will happen regardless. I guess we DO need the straight community's approval on when sexuality is "too much" or "too little" as part of a person's character.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/18/18 9:10:59 AM #91:	Someone asked, then disappeared. Here's the interview: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lando-calrissian-sexual-fluidity-solo-star-wars_us_5af77d59e4b00d7e4c1b37a9 --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:901561783] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>Someone asked, then disappeared. Here's the interview: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lando-calrissian-sexual-fluidity-solo-star-wars_us_5af77d59e4b00d7e4c1b37a9</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Poiuyt 05/18/18 9:19:07 AM #92:	CyricZ posted... Someone asked, then disappeared. Here's the interview: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lando-calrissian-sexual-fluidity-solo-star-wars_us_5af77d59e4b00d7e4c1b37a9 Thx bruv. That was me. Wanted to rewrite the question in a new post, then got lazy. --- https://imgur.com/pj1636D <cite>Poiuyt posted [p:901562153] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Someone asked, then disappeared. Here's the interview: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lando-calrissian-sexual-fluidity-solo-star-wars_us_5af77d59e4b00d7e4c1b37a9</quote> Thx bruv. That was me. Wanted to rewrite the question in a new post, then got lazy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/18/18 9:19:42 AM #93:	Been there. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:901562185] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>Been there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 05/18/18 9:21:32 AM #94:	I'm go out for breakfast, i'll discuss more in a few hours But I really don't appreciate how you're characterizing me as somebody who feels like I need to approve what is "too much" or "too little". I'm arguing that a writer saying a character is X is after the fact is lazy. That would apply to any trait. It becomes political because it's an activist issue. I have no issue with gay/bisexual/etc. characters and can do my best to prove that a bit later when I have the time. I don't feel like I should need to virtue signal this when it's plainly apparent I'm pretty liberal based on my several years here. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:901562255] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>I'm go out for breakfast, i'll discuss more in a few hours But I really don't appreciate how you're characterizing me as somebody who feels like I need to approve what is "too much" or "too little". I'm arguing that a writer saying a character is X is after the fact is lazy. That would apply to any trait. It becomes political because it's an activist issue. I have no issue with gay/bisexual/etc. characters and can do my best to prove that a bit later when I have the time. I don't feel like I should need to virtue signal this when it's plainly apparent I'm pretty liberal based on my several years here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/18/18 9:26:09 AM #95:	I'm characterizing you as someone giving too much of a shit about something that's really inconsequential to you. I've provided the example of why this even came up in the first place, and I'd like for you to address that without assuming that the writer is just leaping up out of their chair saying "Look at me! I made a gay character!" --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:901562435] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>I'm characterizing you as someone giving too much of a shit about something that's really inconsequential to you. I've provided the example of why this even came up in the first place, and I'd like for you to address that without assuming that the writer is just leaping up out of their chair saying "Look at me! I made a gay character!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 05/18/18 9:39:11 AM #96:	I find it stupid when people change characters for no apparent reason. If you want a "insertwhatever" character, make a new one. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:901562985] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>I find it stupid when people change characters for no apparent reason. If you want a "insertwhatever" character, make a new one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tamashiini 05/18/18 2:22:24 PM #97:	It's not really changing anything though Lando never explicitly stated "I only bang (human) women", you just chose to interpret his smooth player character as perfectly straight --- PSN: helicene Careful, Icarus. <cite>tamashiini posted [p:901578256] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>It's not really changing anything though Lando never explicitly stated "I only bang (human) women", you just chose to interpret his smooth player character as perfectly straight</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 05/18/18 2:34:52 PM #98:	Calling a character baby makes them pansexual? I guess all the black characters in the 60s and 70s are pansexuals too. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:901578985] in Nerds are ... [t:76618560]...</cite> <quote>Calling a character baby makes them pansexual? I guess all the black characters in the 60s and 70s are pansexuals too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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