Current Events > New research claims amount of teen's working has dropped (nearly) by half.

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cawmaster5 posted...

>thinking milennials are entitled when baby boomers still exist

ca we just agree that everyone is an entitled asshole who thinks everyone else is out to get them?
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I didn't work when I was in high school. For some kids, it's impossible when you are doing sports, clubs, planning and setting up school dances/event, and taking college/AP courses.
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Shift hours are not flexible. It was always the HS kids at my job calling in.

LightningAce11 posted...

How are we sure that they're telling the truth? These people want the least amount of employees doing the most work.

wut
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I agree with those who mentioned earlier that it can be detrimental to schooling. It's sad, but true.

Kids from backgrounds with higher family incomes are spending more time on their school work and on extracurricular activities that colleges will look upon favorably. They don't look upon a minimum wage-type job favorably. It's class discrimination, but it's the reality of the system.

Teens who get too focused on working are screwing themselves over in the long run in many cases, because they are not spending that time on education or other skills that will help them in their future career development. Instead, it may end up tracking them into lower skilled, lower wage work for the rest of their lives.
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Frostshock posted...

I never worked as a teen, it's not necessary and can be a big detriment to your schooling.

It was for me.
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HylianFox posted...

cawmaster5 posted...

>thinking milennials are entitled when baby boomers still exist

ca we just agree that everyone is an entitled asshole who thinks everyone else is out to get them?

No
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Frostshock posted...

I never worked as a teen, it's not necessary and can be a big detriment to your schooling.

I worked as a teen.

WTF does it have to do with schooling?

You work evenings, nights

...Which can cut into your time for studying and extracurriculars. This isn't rocket science
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I was a teenager 10 years ago, and I had an impossible time finding a job.
The problem I had back then was that minimum wage jobs required 10 years experience and a college degree to work a cash register or bag groceries.
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CableZL posted...

Why did the woman in the picture order 6 hamburgers and a big ass plate of fries

Murica
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CableZL posted...

Why did the woman in the picture order 6 hamburgers and a big ass plate of fries

Why wouldn't she?
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It's not for everyone but I think working at 16 was good for me. I had my own money and became completely financially independent a month after high school ended at 18. Someone with a ton of extra curricular activity may not be able to get that time though.
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This has been a trend I've noticed for about 10 or so years, adults taking these no skill positions and teens not getting the jobs. Pretty sure it has to do with shitty labor markets.
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My hunch is entitlements. Working at fast food is beneath them. They believe they should just be given free shit.
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Nomadic View posted...

My hunch is entitlements. Working at fast food is beneath them. They believe they should just be given free shit.

I mean, I haven't seen that to be the case. Working fast food is just about the laziest handout you can get as a teen.
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I couldnt get a car until I had a way to pay for it. So I got a job @ 16 and drove myself to work. These teens not working must just get free cars from their parents or live in a city where they can walk everywhere i guess

P4wn4g3 posted...

Nomadic View posted...

My hunch is entitlements. Working at fast food is beneath them. They believe they should just be given free shit.

I mean, I haven't seen that to be the case. Working fast food is just about the laziest handout you can get as a teen.

I worked fast food as a teen. Its certainly not a handout by any means.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Nomadic View posted...

My hunch is entitlements. Working at fast food is beneath them. They believe they should just be given free shit.

I mean, I haven't seen that to be the case. Working fast food is just about the laziest handout you can get as a teen.

Lol sure. To this day, working at TBell is more demanding and stressful than working at a bank or even as an accountant. Here, I am at work, sitting in a plush chair in my own office with internet access, compared to my 16 year-old-self that was sweating his ass off making, or ordering food, in an endless line of asshole customers that can be angry at you while you have to keep your cool.

The work sucked, but it sure gives you a perspective. I knew then that I needed to build skills to get better jobs.
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I didn't mean it's low stress. I meant it's literally zero qualifications required.
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1. Adults taking jobs that were supposedly intended for teenagers due to the job market
2. Increased emphasis on extracurricular activities
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P4wn4g3 posted...

I didn't mean it's low stress. I meant it's literally zero qualifications required.

That doesn't make it lazy though

in fact it makes it rougher than actual skilled positions, especially given the amount of applicants you have to compete with
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P4wn4g3 posted...

I didn't mean it's low stress. I meant it's literally zero qualifications required.

You said it's a handout. Meaning you get money for free.

It's not free.

It's called work.
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krazychao5 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

I didn't mean it's low stress. I meant it's literally zero qualifications required.

You said it's a handout. Meaning you get money for free.

It's not free.

It's called work.

Yeah and its not available anymore because jobless adults have to take those positions because cheap industries have refused to hire skilled and educated workers, i.e. how it has been a handout to teens.
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GregShmedley posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

I didn't mean it's low stress. I meant it's literally zero qualifications required.

That isn't even close to what you said. You said it was a lazy handout.

And qualifications aren't really relevant. It's easier to get a job in fast food than maintain it.

Wow what a shocker that fast food workers would on average get fired more and get rehired at different restaurants. It's almost like a large percentage of those employees are shitty at their jobs, management especially.
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It doesnt help that companies are getting more nit-picky about who they hire, especially in STEM fields.
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BlueJester007 posted...

It doesnt help that companies are getting more nit-picky about who they hire, especially in STEM fields.

A lot of STEM fields keep literally bringing workers back out of retirement offering them almost twice the wage just because of the experience they lost when the workers retired. Millennial grads are now competing for jobs with two whole generations of workers: mid career and retirees.
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C7D posted...

BlueJester007 posted...

It doesnt help that companies are getting more nit-picky about who they hire, especially in STEM fields.

A lot of STEM fields keep literally bringing workers back out of retirement offering them almost twice the wage just because of the experience they lost when the workers retired. Millennial grads are now competing for jobs with two whole generations of workers: mid career and retirees.

Yup. I feel bad for any poor sod graduating in STEM. Theyre gonna get fucked.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

GregShmedley posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

I didn't mean it's low stress. I meant it's literally zero qualifications required.

That isn't even close to what you said. You said it was a lazy handout.

And qualifications aren't really relevant. It's easier to get a job in fast food than maintain it.

Wow what a shocker that fast food workers would on average get fired more and get rehired at different restaurants. It's almost like a large percentage of those employees are shitty at their jobs, management especially.

This isn't relevant to you calling it a 'handout' tho. Or lazy

By calling it a 'lazy handout' you slap a negative connotation on the job, not in the sense that the job is low quality, but that it's easy and you have nothing to stress about
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Snack posted...

lilORANG posted...

I worked as a teen. It was nice to have my own spending money, but it hardly shaped me in any meaningful way. If I could have gotten by without working in high school, I totally would have.

Bullshit, working in service/retail is incredibly valuable because it teaches you how shitty those workers are treated

clearaflagrantj posted...

Snack posted...

lilORANG posted...

I worked as a teen. It was nice to have my own spending money, but it hardly shaped me in any meaningful way. If I could have gotten by without working in high school, I totally would have.

Bullshit, working in service/retail is incredibly valuable because it teaches you how shitty those workers are treated

I haven't worked in fast food and I know how shitty those workers are treated just by witnessing shitheads irl and watching youtube videos.
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BlueJester007 posted...

C7D posted...

BlueJester007 posted...

It doesnt help that companies are getting more nit-picky about who they hire, especially in STEM fields.

A lot of STEM fields keep literally bringing workers back out of retirement offering them almost twice the wage just because of the experience they lost when the workers retired. Millennial grads are now competing for jobs with two whole generations of workers: mid career and retirees.

Yup. I feel bad for any poor sod graduating in STEM. Theyre gonna get fucked.

I was unemployed for almost a year after getting my PhD in chemical engineering. I published 6 papers, had a 4.0 GPA and applied for 5 patents. I now have a few years of experience and getting a new job only takes about a month.
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C7D posted...

I now have a few years of experience

Well, there ya go.
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I mean, logically speaking, there's really no point to working as a teenager vs extracurricular activities.

- Working a retail job means fuck-all on a resume
- The pay is pretty shit when you're a full-time student and can only dedicate a certain amount of hours a week and probably isn't even worth it if you have parents that are willing to support you as you go through school
- Extracurricular activities are far more beneficial to your overall development

Retail jobs are supposed to work around students' schedules, but more often than not, they schedule you whenever the fuck they want.
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GregShmedley posted...

knuxnole posted...

But lots of people will be low to middle class and not make more than 50K.

People act like everyone is gonna make six figures. Thats for 1%ers

How is this even relevant?

Cause people expect everyone to go to college or have strong work ethics when most of us will be low to middle class for life!

Most of us will never go to college, some wont finish high school.
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GregShmedley posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Wow what a shocker that fast food workers would on average get fired more and get rehired at different restaurants. It's almost like a large percentage of those employees are shitty at their jobs, management especially.

Now I can't tell if you're being serious.

If you are, take a step back and acknowledge your original statement was dumb. It will be better to own it instead of doing whatever you are doing now.

Clearly you have been unable to follow the conversation. Whatever, idc.

Konflikt posted...

This isn't relevant to you calling it a 'handout' tho. Or lazy

By calling it a 'lazy handout' you slap a negative connotation on the job, not in the sense that the job is low quality, but that it's easy and you have nothing to stress about

Dude you can get easy jobs anywhere that are much more difficult to obtain. People would kill for easy jobs. That isn't what that means. Low skill jobs have been available to teens for like 50 years and they have taken it for granted that they can get work if they are hard workers. Life is proving this notion wrong for many people, thus these opportunities being a lazy handout. If you can be a career job hopper in this industry then it simply doesn't require the self discipline that getting a better job does. This isn't some personal insult to you, it's a fact of low skill jobs.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I mean, logically speaking, there's really no point to working as a teenager vs extracurricular activities.

Work experience? Extra money? The hell are you talking about dude.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Snack posted...

lilORANG posted...

I worked as a teen. It was nice to have my own spending money, but it hardly shaped me in any meaningful way. If I could have gotten by without working in high school, I totally would have.

Bullshit, working in service/retail is incredibly valuable because it teaches you how shitty those workers are treated

I had much more sympathy for fast food employees before I was one, actually.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I mean, logically speaking, there's really no point to working as a teenager vs extracurricular activities.

Work experience? Extra money? The hell are you talking about dude.

You can literally get work experience anywhere else.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I mean, logically speaking, there's really no point to working as a teenager vs extracurricular activities.

Work experience? Extra money? The hell are you talking about dude.

You can literally get work experience anywhere else.

It's a lot harder to get a job without any experience at all
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I mean, logically speaking, there's really no point to working as a teenager vs extracurricular activities.

Work experience? Extra money? The hell are you talking about dude.

You can literally get work experience anywhere else.

I don't disagree, but it's difficult for a teen to get a real job outside of food service and manual labor.
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Konflikt posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I mean, logically speaking, there's really no point to working as a teenager vs extracurricular activities.

Work experience? Extra money? The hell are you talking about dude.

You can literally get work experience anywhere else.

It's a lot harder to get a job without any experience at all

Not necessarily. It might be unpaid work, but you can volunteer, ask your teacher if you can help them with certain projects, and there's even internships out there for high school students and you'd get a lot more practical experience that will provide long-term benefits than you would flipping burgers at McDonald's.

I knew a guy that was gaining work experience in the entertainment industry before he even got to college. His time was clearly better spent on that than as a cashier at some grocery store.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I knew a guy that was gaining work experience in the entertainment industry before he even got to college. His time was clearly better spent on that than as a cashier at some grocery store.

So he had a job...got it. And it was beneficial for him.

So jobs are useful for teens to develop skills and to build a resume.

Glad you agree.
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