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BignutzisBack
05/15/18 1:21:04 PM
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on intuition? Why do they get so upset by the truth?
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Fam_Fam
05/15/18 1:22:05 PM
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i've not heard people saying this.

i've not heard people being upset by this either.
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BignutzisBack
05/15/18 1:23:28 PM
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Fam_Fam posted...
i've not heard people saying this.

i've not heard people being upset by this either.


Shouldn't they be proud of the fact that their field was able to do a better job mapping nature using unaided minds then a field using scientific inductive reasoning?

What are your thoughts?
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WaffIeElite
05/15/18 1:45:41 PM
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This has never happened.
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Giant_Aspirin
05/15/18 1:49:52 PM
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mathematics is based on logic, not intuition.
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BlueJester007
05/15/18 1:50:59 PM
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Wut?
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BignutzisBack
05/15/18 1:51:01 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
mathematics is based on logic, not intuition.


No it's based on intuition, the only reason it was appropriated by science in the first place is because it modeled nature so well
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chetmanly
05/15/18 1:53:41 PM
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BignutzisBack posted...
No it's based on intuition, the only reason it was appropriated by science in the first place is because it modeled nature so well

math was used first to model nature brah
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Eevee-Trainer
05/15/18 1:53:48 PM
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Why did I come in here expecting the algebraic structure of a field?
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NeverOffended
05/15/18 1:59:27 PM
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chetmanly posted...
BignutzisBack posted...
No it's based on intuition, the only reason it was appropriated by science in the first place is because it modeled nature so well

math was used first to model nature brah


isn't that literally what you quoted him saying
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Mizznox
05/15/18 1:59:58 PM
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Were you the one I had an account bet with re: the Nets making the playoffs? I honestly can't remember but when I brought it up a couple months ago everyone was saying it was you.
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chetmanly
05/15/18 2:03:36 PM
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as a mathematician i don't get what this topic is trying to say
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treewojima
05/15/18 2:04:56 PM
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what on earth does math have to do with intuition
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Romes187
05/15/18 2:15:02 PM
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it sounds like tc is trying to make a pragmatic argument
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BlueJester007
05/15/18 3:11:09 PM
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Instead of trying to figure out what the hell the TC is talking about, heres a math problem to solve:

5x - 4 = 11
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ThinkCritically
05/15/18 3:14:15 PM
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BlueJester007 posted...
Instead of trying to figure out what the hell the TC is talking about, heres a math problem to solve:

5x - 4 = 11

my intuition says 6
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Giant_Aspirin
05/15/18 3:22:27 PM
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BignutzisBack posted...
No it's based on intuition


No, it's based on logic.

i can do this all day
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BignutzisBack
05/15/18 4:52:09 PM
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chetmanly posted...
as a mathematician i don't get what this topic is trying to say


@chetmanly

Well first I wanted so see if people on CE even had a true grasp of Mathematics, @Giant_Aspirin @ClunkerSlim did a great job showing that they only know of applied Mathematics and laugh at the idea of intuition involved despite the other half literally called intuitional/pure mathematics.

treewojima posted...
what on earth does math have to do with intuition


@treewojima
@BlueJester007
@ThinkCritically

BlueJester007 posted...
Instead of trying to figure out what the hell the TC is talking about, heres a math problem to solve:

5x - 4 = 11


How about we try to break down a math problem using the whole field instead of your limited applied mathematics knowledge?

A statement is made. It can be anything. All greys are non-X. This is just a statement, we dont yet know what this is going to be about. All greys are non- X. All greens are F-Sub-1. What were putting in place are a set of statements that appear nonsensical, but what we will assert is, that we should seek a relationship between them and that will then show us something. And this is how mathematics really works. It has very little to do with number. It has to do with the conceptualizing of relationships.

Conceptualizing them, and then exploring your intuition about these conceptions, and then the third and very late stage, is you write a formal statement of your cognitive activity around these assumptions.

Pure mathematics is an activity carried on in the mind, based on, deductive truth. Deductive, not inductive.

Let me know if you guys (sans @chetmanly) need any more tips so you better understand Mathematics in the future
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Turbam
05/15/18 4:56:18 PM
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BlueJester007 posted...
Instead of trying to figure out what the hell the TC is talking about, heres a math problem to solve:

5x - 4 = 11

5x-4=11
5x=7
5x+7=0
7=-5x
-1.4=-x
x-1.4=0
x=1.4
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treewojima
05/15/18 4:58:56 PM
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I don't think you know what "intuition" means
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SageHarpuia
05/15/18 4:59:57 PM
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Mathematics is based on postulates
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Giant_Aspirin
05/15/18 5:00:21 PM
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Turbam posted...
5x-4=11
5x=7


u wot
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Turbam
05/15/18 5:03:28 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
Turbam posted...
5x-4=11
5x=7


u wot

I..... I...... I did it on purpose?
Yeah that's it. I did it on purpose as a joke
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Mistere Man
05/15/18 5:04:05 PM
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BlueJester007 posted...
Instead of trying to figure out what the hell the TC is talking about, heres a math problem to solve:

5x - 4 = 11

X=3

But I could be wrong.
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ThinkCritically
05/15/18 5:06:00 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
Turbam posted...
5x-4=11
5x=7


u wot

he was following his intuition
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Hexenherz
05/15/18 5:06:28 PM
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It makes sense considering Jewel literally wrote a song about math guys jeez.
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MLGSerperior111
05/15/18 5:13:05 PM
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What even is this?
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PrettyBoyFloyd
05/15/18 5:17:03 PM
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What does it do ?
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BignutzisBack
05/15/18 5:20:53 PM
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MLGSerperior111 posted...
What even is this?


A bait topic to see if people had knowledge beyond applied mathematics, plenty didnt so I posted a breakdown further down and instead of responding they just got their feelings hurt and ignored it lol
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treewojima
05/15/18 5:42:16 PM
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we're being trolled by a bald person
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BlueJester007
05/15/18 5:42:52 PM
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Applied math is actually useful, so ...

Heres another math problem:

dx/dt 5x - 4 = 11
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BignutzisBack
05/15/18 5:45:21 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
You know how idiot Scientologists


Hold on did you just compare Scientology to Pure Mathematics? You're really going all out on trying to make yourself look like a complete fool aren't you?

wow lol

treewojima posted...
hurt feelings


Yes tree we know you're salty but do you have an actual rebuttal instead of acting like a child?
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treewojima
05/15/18 5:47:10 PM
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treewojima posted...
we're being trolled by a bald person
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BignutzisBack
05/15/18 5:48:57 PM
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BlueJester007 posted...
Applied math is actually useful


Both sides are useful, but if you want to be petty because you had no knowledge of pure mathematics before this topic that's ok :)
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chetmanly
05/15/18 5:52:24 PM
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oh yeah well you try to envision 4 dimensions and then talk to me about intuition buddy
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BlueJester007
05/15/18 5:56:09 PM
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Solve this system:

6x - 2y = 9
7x + y = 14
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Richard_Castle
05/15/18 6:03:05 PM
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BignutzisBack posted...
BlueJester007 posted...
Applied math is actually useful


Both sides are useful, but if you want to be petty because you had no knowledge of pure mathematics before this topic that's ok :)


Now that is some projection.
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BignutzisBack
05/15/18 6:05:06 PM
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Richard_Castle posted...
BignutzisBack posted...
BlueJester007 posted...
Applied math is actually useful


Both sides are useful, but if you want to be petty because you had no knowledge of pure mathematics before this topic that's ok :)


Now that is some projection.


Now that is a salty alt account :)

3 posts and 120 karma in 4 years, at least try to be suttle lol
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catboy0_0
05/15/18 6:09:38 PM
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treewojima posted...
what on earth does math have to do with intuition

nothing
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BignutzisBack
05/15/18 6:10:51 PM
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catboy0_0 posted...
treewojima posted...
what on earth does math have to do with intuition

nothing


Sure if you want to pretend that half of mathematics isn't literally called intuitional mathematics, of course if you want to bury your head in the sand there are a few other ostriches in this topic you could hang out with
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Richard_Castle
05/15/18 6:28:19 PM
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This is too good. Lets get this to 500
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Richard_Castle
05/16/18 9:01:22 AM
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Oh come on. This topic deserves to go to 500.
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treewojima
05/16/18 5:21:30 PM
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BignutzisBack posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
treewojima posted...
what on earth does math have to do with intuition

nothing


Sure if you want to pretend that half of mathematics isn't literally called intuitional mathematics, of course if you want to bury your head in the sand there are a few other ostriches in this topic you could hang out with


you're using the word wrong. there's a difference between intuition in the traditional sense and mathematical intuition, which is very different and much narrower in scope

of course, you know that, which is why...

treewojima posted...
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Anteaterking
05/16/18 5:24:24 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi
05/16/18 5:27:21 PM
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BignutzisBack posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
mathematics is based on logic, not intuition.


No it's based on intuition, the only reason it was appropriated by science in the first place is because it modeled nature so well

I don't think you know what intuition is because that describes science much more accurately and basically the opposite of mathematics.
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CarlGrimes
05/16/18 5:30:57 PM
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