Poll of the Day > North Korea announces plans to dismantle nuclear test site.

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WastelandCowboy
05/12/18 8:28:30 PM
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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/12/610674006/north-korea-announces-plans-to-dismantle-nuclear-test-site

Updated at 5:20 p.m.

North Korea has announced that it will dismantle its nuclear test site. According to the Associated Press, North Korea's Foreign Ministry delivered a statement delivered through state media Saturday announcing the dismantling will occur between May 23 and 25.

Reuters reports that Punggye-ri nuclear test site has been the location of all of North Korea's six known nuclear tests. At the site, there's a system of tunnels under the mountain Mount Mantap. Journalists from the United States, South Korea, China, Russia and Britain will be invited to watch a special ceremony in which all of the tunnels at the testing ground will be destroyed and observation and research facilities and guard units will be taken down.

The North Korean government will provide journalists with a charter flight from Beijing to Wonsan, North Korea. From there, a train will take them to the test site in the northeast part of the country.

The Associated Press reports that plans to dismantle the site are not new: During his summit with South Korean President Moon Jae-in in April, Kim announced that he would shut it down by the end of May.

In their joint statement released after the summit, Moon and Kim declared that there would be "no more war" on the Korean Peninsula and committed to a goal of "complete denuclearization."

After the summit, Park Hyeong Jung, a senior research fellow at the government-funded Korea Institute of National Unification, told NPR's Anthony Kuhn he was not sure Kim would completely abandon nuclear weapons:

"Park believes Kim will keep his nukes simply to demonstrate to his own people that he is the ruler of a nuclear state and therefore commands the respect of Washington and Seoul. In other words, nuclear weapons have become an indispensable ingredient in the cult of personality surrounding the Kim dynasty."

The AP also reports that at a ruling party meeting last month, North Korea announced the plan to close the nuclear testing ground, along with a commitment to suspend all tests of nuclear devices and ICBMs. At that same meeting, however, North Korea said it has been performing a kind of nuclear test classified as "subcritical." The "subcritical" experiments give scientists an opportunity to test weapons without causing an actual nuclear chain reaction and explosion.

Hours after North Korea announced plans for the dismantling ceremony, President Trump tweeted: "North Korea has announced that they will dismantle Nuclear Test Site this month, ahead of the big Summit Meeting on June 12th. Thank you, a very smart and gracious gesture!"
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Lokarin
05/12/18 8:29:38 PM
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This is like saying you have plans to dismantle your firing range... it's meaningless
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WastelandCowboy
05/12/18 8:30:21 PM
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The dismantling ceremony is planned for just under three weeks before June 12, the date Trump is scheduled to meet with Kim Jong Un in Singapore. The meeting will be the first time a sitting U.S. president meets with the leader of North Korea.

Richard Fontaine, who served as a foreign policy adviser to Republican Senator John McCain, told NPR's David Greene the announcement of talks between Kim and Trump is a "game changer," but the escalation of talks to two heads of state opens up a certain degree of diplomatic uncertainty:

"It's a game changer in terms of the diplomacy, certainly. I mean, often these kinds of processes lead up to a presidential-level meeting if they are successful. So you would have lower-level officials work a disarmament process, or something, and then have the heads of state come in and close it if it sort of materialized into something.

"This is completely flipping the script on that, and so it will start at the highest possible levels. The upside is that maybe this makes a deal more possible. The downside is if it fails then we've hit the diplomatic cliff and could fall off the other side."

If the dismantling occurs at the end of the month, it will not be the first time North Korea has publicly destroyed a nuclear facility. In 2008, international journalists looked on as a water cooling tower at a facility called Yongbyon was destroyed. According to CNN, officials said it was a location where plutonium was extracted.

In her reporting at the time, CNN correspondent Christiane Amanpour said, "They fired a warning flare and then in three minutes the whole thing came tumbling down in a massive cloud of smoke."

"There was a moment of stunned silence as the magnitude of what had happened sunk in," she added.


I'll be honest. As optimistic as I am that this is happening, it just seems like it's happening wayy too damn fast. Like a plot of a movie and we're in for some crazy action/war when the antagonist reveals their ulterior motives.
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Cacciato
05/12/18 8:37:07 PM
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Is this the one thats already collapsed?

Lokarin posted...
This is like saying you have plans to dismantle your firing range... it's meaningless

What? No its not.
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GanonsSpirit
05/12/18 8:45:57 PM
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Didn't it blowed up already?
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OhhhJa
05/12/18 8:52:11 PM
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They say they're blowing it up. Smells like bullshit to me
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Rimmer_Dall
05/12/18 8:53:09 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
I'll be honest. As optimistic as I am that this is happening, it just seems like it's happening wayy too damn fast.

And to think all it took was Trump making a few tweets.
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ReggieTheReckless
05/12/18 9:12:58 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
I'll be honest. As optimistic as I am that this is happening, it just seems like it's happening wayy too damn fast.

And to think all it took was Trump making a few tweets.

more like he made a secret agreement to give their country food so they don't all fucking die
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WastelandCowboy
05/12/18 9:41:39 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
I'll be honest. As optimistic as I am that this is happening, it just seems like it's happening wayy too damn fast.

And to think all it took was Trump making a few tweets.

Which is scary, to be honest. Diplomacy through Twitter?

Whatever the fuck happened to physically visiting a country and engaging in in-person discussion?
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OhhhJa
05/12/18 10:20:43 PM
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I think North Korea is just either really desperate and their economy is failing horribly or they're up to something. This just doesn't make sense. Maybe China is putting a lot of pressure them to straighten up
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Rimmer_Dall
05/12/18 10:35:59 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Which is scary, to be honest. Diplomacy through Twitter?

4D chess, bruh.
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Zeus
05/12/18 11:01:55 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
The Associated Press reports that plans to dismantle the site are not new: During his summit with South Korean President Moon Jae-in in April, Kim announced that he would shut it down by the end of May.


I love how the AP says that it's not new because something happened back in April. Apparently they have a very different conception of "new" >_>

ReggieTheReckless posted...
more like he made a secret agreement to give their country food so they don't all fucking die


Kim doesn't really care about his peoples' welfare, though. Many of them have been starving for a while and he's denied outside medical groups access to the country at times. Keep in mind that his power doesn't come from his peoples' approval, but instead his army.

WastelandCowboy posted...
Rimmer_Dall posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
I'll be honest. As optimistic as I am that this is happening, it just seems like it's happening wayy too damn fast.

And to think all it took was Trump making a few tweets.

Which is scary, to be honest. Diplomacy through Twitter?

Whatever the fuck happened to physically visiting a country and engaging in in-person discussion?


Well, considering that tougher sanctions and sanction enforcement has also factored into it, solely crediting Twitter might not be fair. But part of the decision may have actually involved Trump managing to out-crazy Kim with Twitter being a part of that... although keep in mind that NK has come close to the bargaining table a few times now.

And as for discussions, Obama snubbed a proposed discussion with NK that would have mediated by China.
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WastelandCowboy
05/12/18 11:22:42 PM
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Zeus posted...
Well, considering that tougher sanctions and sanction enforcement has also factored into it, solely crediting Twitter might not be fair. But part of the decision may have actually involved Trump managing to out-crazy Kim with Twitter being a part of that... although keep in mind that NK has come close to the bargaining table a few times now.

And as for discussions, Obama snubbed a proposed discussion with NK that would have mediated by China.

We're talking about Trump, Twitter, and North Korea - not Obama.
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Veedrock-
05/13/18 12:42:16 AM
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So many cynics.
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FatalAccident
05/13/18 12:46:54 AM
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ReggieTheReckless posted...
Rimmer_Dall posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
I'll be honest. As optimistic as I am that this is happening, it just seems like it's happening wayy too damn fast.

And to think all it took was Trump making a few tweets.

more like he made a secret agreement to give their country food so they don't all fucking die

Lool
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Zeus
05/13/18 12:53:29 AM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Zeus posted...
Well, considering that tougher sanctions and sanction enforcement has also factored into it, solely crediting Twitter might not be fair. But part of the decision may have actually involved Trump managing to out-crazy Kim with Twitter being a part of that... although keep in mind that NK has come close to the bargaining table a few times now.

And as for discussions, Obama snubbed a proposed discussion with NK that would have mediated by China.

We're talking about Trump, Twitter, and North Korea - not Obama.


Given your usual disdain for Trump, I'm a little surprised that you're so dismissive of the fact that NK was willing to come to the table to discuss de-nuclearization under Obama. Granted, Trump managed to extort a commitment before the meeting. However, only looking at the Trump years, so far there have been meetings between NK and SK as well as between Pompeo and NK. And the US and NK had some communication prior to all of this, it wasn't just Twitter although it's more flashy to credit everything to Twitter.
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DirtBasedSoap
05/13/18 1:50:13 AM
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@Zeus
shut the fuck up
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Zeus
05/13/18 1:54:42 AM
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@DirtBasedSoap
No. And if you don't like what I have to say, feel free to block me. I never talk to you anyway and I'm fine with keeping it that way.
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DirtBasedSoap
05/13/18 1:55:34 AM
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@Zeus
lmao imagine replying seriously to someone telling you to shut the fuck up.

fucking boomers, man.
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Mead
05/13/18 2:03:13 AM
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Zeus literally cant help himself he thinks he is insightful but he posts the most ignorant and obnoxious stuff

Living in rural areas sometimes gives people a very narrow or sheltered point of view
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Ivany2008
05/13/18 2:13:02 AM
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They dismantle one site. I'm sure Un has countless others, not to mention ones stashed away in Russia or China.
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WastelandCowboy
05/13/18 2:40:56 AM
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Zeus posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Zeus posted...
Well, considering that tougher sanctions and sanction enforcement has also factored into it, solely crediting Twitter might not be fair. But part of the decision may have actually involved Trump managing to out-crazy Kim with Twitter being a part of that... although keep in mind that NK has come close to the bargaining table a few times now.

And as for discussions, Obama snubbed a proposed discussion with NK that would have mediated by China.

We're talking about Trump, Twitter, and North Korea - not Obama.


Given your usual disdain for Trump, I'm a little surprised that you're so dismissive of the fact that NK was willing to come to the table to discuss de-nuclearization under Obama. Granted, Trump managed to extort a commitment before the meeting. However, only looking at the Trump years, so far there have been meetings between NK and SK as well as between Pompeo and NK. And the US and NK had some communication prior to all of this, it wasn't just Twitter although it's more flashy to credit everything to Twitter.

Lol.
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Zeus
05/13/18 2:48:56 AM
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@DirtBasedSoap
Imagine the same poster repeatedly telling somebody to shut up instead of just ignoring them. Fucking gen-zers, man.

Mead posted...
Zeus literally cant help himself he thinks he is insightful but he posts the most ignorant and obnoxious stuff

Living in rural areas sometimes gives people a very narrow or sheltered point of view


Once again basely accuses the guy literally claiming to have gone to a high school with just 100 students. Then again, it's no wonder that the kind of person who was so sheltered as to attend a tiny school would make those kinds of idiotic assumptions.
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WastelandCowboy
05/13/18 2:52:54 AM
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Zeus posted...
@DirtBasedSoap
Imagine the same poster repeatedly telling somebody to shut up instead of just ignoring them. Fucking gen-zers, man.

Mead posted...
Zeus literally cant help himself he thinks he is insightful but he posts the most ignorant and obnoxious stuff

Living in rural areas sometimes gives people a very narrow or sheltered point of view


Once again basely accuses the guy literally claiming to have gone to a high school with just 100 students. Then again, it's no wonder that the kind of person who was so sheltered as to attend a tiny school would make those kinds of idiotic assumptions.

Lol. I liked you better when your sig was just about paying cash.

You've turned into such a pretentious _____.
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Zeus
05/13/18 2:55:55 AM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Zeus posted...
@DirtBasedSoap
Imagine the same poster repeatedly telling somebody to shut up instead of just ignoring them. Fucking gen-zers, man.

Mead posted...
Zeus literally cant help himself he thinks he is insightful but he posts the most ignorant and obnoxious stuff

Living in rural areas sometimes gives people a very narrow or sheltered point of view


Once again basely accuses the guy literally claiming to have gone to a high school with just 100 students. Then again, it's no wonder that the kind of person who was so sheltered as to attend a tiny school would make those kinds of idiotic assumptions.

Lol. I liked you better when your sig was just about paying cash.

You've turned into such a pretentious _____.


How many times did you read one of Mead's manipulative, repeated (and hypocritical) claims of pretense before it had sunk enough into your mind that you started using it yourself?

Otherwise I only changed that sig like a month or two ago, so it's a weird remark.
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WastelandCowboy
05/13/18 2:58:34 AM
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Zeus posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Zeus posted...
@DirtBasedSoap
Imagine the same poster repeatedly telling somebody to shut up instead of just ignoring them. Fucking gen-zers, man.

Mead posted...
Zeus literally cant help himself he thinks he is insightful but he posts the most ignorant and obnoxious stuff

Living in rural areas sometimes gives people a very narrow or sheltered point of view


Once again basely accuses the guy literally claiming to have gone to a high school with just 100 students. Then again, it's no wonder that the kind of person who was so sheltered as to attend a tiny school would make those kinds of idiotic assumptions.

Lol. I liked you better when your sig was just about paying cash.

You've turned into such a pretentious _____.


How many times did you read one of Mead's manipulative, repeated (and hypocritical) claims of pretense before it had sunk enough into your mind that you started using it yourself?

Lol. Imagine actually thinking this.
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Cacciato
05/13/18 3:01:52 AM
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Zeus posted...
@DirtBasedSoap
Imagine the same poster repeatedly telling somebody to shut up instead of just ignoring them. Fucking gen-zers, man.

Mead posted...
Zeus literally cant help himself he thinks he is insightful but he posts the most ignorant and obnoxious stuff

Living in rural areas sometimes gives people a very narrow or sheltered point of view


Once again basely accuses the guy literally claiming to have gone to a high school with just 100 students. Then again, it's no wonder that the kind of person who was so sheltered as to attend a tiny school would make those kinds of idiotic assumptions.

I mean, I get that youre old, but how is it that you actually find schools with smaller graduating classes unusual? Fucking Christ man, this is why no one takes your comments seriously.
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Zeus
05/13/18 3:03:23 AM
#28:


WastelandCowboy posted...
Zeus posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Zeus posted...
@DirtBasedSoap
Imagine the same poster repeatedly telling somebody to shut up instead of just ignoring them. Fucking gen-zers, man.

Mead posted...
Zeus literally cant help himself he thinks he is insightful but he posts the most ignorant and obnoxious stuff

Living in rural areas sometimes gives people a very narrow or sheltered point of view


Once again basely accuses the guy literally claiming to have gone to a high school with just 100 students. Then again, it's no wonder that the kind of person who was so sheltered as to attend a tiny school would make those kinds of idiotic assumptions.

Lol. I liked you better when your sig was just about paying cash.

You've turned into such a pretentious _____.


How many times did you read one of Mead's manipulative, repeated (and hypocritical) claims of pretense before it had sunk enough into your mind that you started using it yourself?

Lol. Imagine actually thinking this.


Imagine not thinking so you wind up falling for shit like that. It's one of Mead's manipulative little tricks, he'll continually repeat a word, phrase, or accusation for a brief period of time until it catches on.
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Zeus
05/13/18 3:05:51 AM
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Cacciato posted...
I mean, I get that youre old, but how is it that you actually find schools with smaller graduating classes unusual? Fucking Christ man, this is why no one takes your comments seriously.


Because it's been unusual in this country for a few centuries now? Remember, this is his *whole* high school. idk, maybe he went to some weird private high school or something.
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WastelandCowboy
05/13/18 3:06:24 AM
#30:


Zeus posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Zeus posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Zeus posted...
@DirtBasedSoap
Imagine the same poster repeatedly telling somebody to shut up instead of just ignoring them. Fucking gen-zers, man.

Mead posted...
Zeus literally cant help himself he thinks he is insightful but he posts the most ignorant and obnoxious stuff

Living in rural areas sometimes gives people a very narrow or sheltered point of view


Once again basely accuses the guy literally claiming to have gone to a high school with just 100 students. Then again, it's no wonder that the kind of person who was so sheltered as to attend a tiny school would make those kinds of idiotic assumptions.

Lol. I liked you better when your sig was just about paying cash.

You've turned into such a pretentious _____.


How many times did you read one of Mead's manipulative, repeated (and hypocritical) claims of pretense before it had sunk enough into your mind that you started using it yourself?

Lol. Imagine actually thinking this.


Imagine not thinking so you wind up falling for shit like that. It's one of Mead's manipulative little tricks, he'll continually repeat a word, phrase, or accusation for a brief period of time until it catches on.

Holy shit dude. You're funny as hell.

You actually believe that I'm turning against you or some shit because of Mead? Holy hell, dude. Get your head out of there - it's mucking up your brain.
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Zeus
05/13/18 3:09:24 AM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
You actually believe that I'm turning against you or some shit because of Mead? Holy hell, dude. Get your head out of there - it's mucking up your brain.


No, I know that you're parroting a phrase Mead started with the intention of manipulating others into repeating it. And I know this because he's started quite a few games of telephone like this.
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WastelandCowboy
05/13/18 3:11:39 AM
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Zeus posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
You actually believe that I'm turning against you or some shit because of Mead? Holy hell, dude. Get your head out of there - it's mucking up your brain.


No, I know that you're parroting a phrase Mead started with the intention of manipulating others into repeating it. And I know this because he's started quite a few games of telephone like this.

The fuck are you even talking about? I don't copy things people say, unless unintentionally and by coincidence.

This isn't some stupid Team Mead vs. Team Zeus. You loco.
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Cacciato
05/13/18 3:17:20 AM
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Zeus posted...
Cacciato posted...
I mean, I get that youre old, but how is it that you actually find schools with smaller graduating classes unusual? Fucking Christ man, this is why no one takes your comments seriously.


Because it's been unusual in this country for a few centuries now? Remember, this is his *whole* high school. idk, maybe he went to some weird private high school or something.

Centuries? Really? You believe that?
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Zeus
05/13/18 3:19:00 AM
#34:


WastelandCowboy posted...
Zeus posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
You actually believe that I'm turning against you or some shit because of Mead? Holy hell, dude. Get your head out of there - it's mucking up your brain.


No, I know that you're parroting a phrase Mead started with the intention of manipulating others into repeating it. And I know this because he's started quite a few games of telephone like this.

The fuck are you even talking about? I don't copy things people say, unless unintentionally and by coincidence.


That's how propaganda is supposed to work. It gets people to repeat and believe it, right down to an unconscious level.

Otherwise, in case you missed my earlier edit:

Zeus posted...
Otherwise I only changed that sig like a month or two ago, so it's a weird remark.

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Zeus
05/13/18 3:21:19 AM
#36:


Cacciato posted...
Zeus posted...
Cacciato posted...
I mean, I get that youre old, but how is it that you actually find schools with smaller graduating classes unusual? Fucking Christ man, this is why no one takes your comments seriously.


Because it's been unusual in this country for a few centuries now? Remember, this is his *whole* high school. idk, maybe he went to some weird private high school or something.

Centuries? Really? You believe that?


Trust me, I know it because I'm like super-old or something so, you know, I was there. It was all the rage then, not so much now.
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WastelandCowboy
05/13/18 3:24:18 AM
#37:


Zeus posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Zeus posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
You actually believe that I'm turning against you or some shit because of Mead? Holy hell, dude. Get your head out of there - it's mucking up your brain.


No, I know that you're parroting a phrase Mead started with the intention of manipulating others into repeating it. And I know this because he's started quite a few games of telephone like this.

The fuck are you even talking about? I don't copy things people say, unless unintentionally and by coincidence.


That's how propaganda is supposed to work. It gets people to repeat and believe it, right down to an unconscious level.

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YahooPoster
05/16/18 12:48:13 AM
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What's going on with them now? I called it from the start. NK gonna NK.
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Krow_Incarnate
05/16/18 1:21:00 AM
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I don't buy this for a hot minute.
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