Current Events > Angry young white men, the incel rebellion and an age of worldwide reaction

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CommonStar
05/12/18 1:13:17 PM
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It is hardly surprising that men are more susceptible to the allure of reactionary politics, considering that it's much easier for men to romanticize the past than it is for women (or any previously oppressed or mistreated group, such as LGBTQ people). Patriarchy has long been the norm in Western and non-Western societies and cultures, and thus women are less inclined to feel nostalgic for some golden age in history when they were treated as second-class citizens.

Needless to say, in America there is another important factor that increases the likelihood of one adopting a reactionary political ideology: being white. This was evidenced in a recent Pew Research Center analysis, which found that although millennials are the most progressive generation (and lean overwhelmingly Democratic), white male millennials are more more likely to support the Republican Party.

Another analysis from the Washington Post provides further insight into this phenomenon, finding that white males are more likely to feel white vulnerability, or a strong perception that whites are losing ground to other groups through no fault of their own. This was demonstrated in one survey from GenForward Survey, which found that 48 percent of white millennials think that discrimination against whites has become as big a problem as discrimination against blacks, while 70 percent of Trump-voting millennials believe that discrimination against whites is as big of a problem as discrimination against minorities.

This victim mentality that many white men have developed today stems in part from what sociologist Michael Kimmel has called aggrieved entitlement, which he describes as that sense of entitlement that can no longer be assumed and that is unlikely to be fulfilled.

There are still many in this generation of men who feel cheated by the end of entitlement, Kimmel writes in his book Angry White Men: American Masculinity at the End of an Era. They still feel entitled, and thus they identify socially and politically with those above them, even as they have economically joined the ranks of those who have historically been below them.



One of the more disturbing and pitiful reactionary group to emerge in the digital age has been the incels, or involuntary celibates, who were thrust into the national spotlight last month after the terrorist attack in Toronto, committed by a self-described member of the Incel rebellion. The incel community, which congregates on websites like Reddit and 4Chan, is deeply sexist and misogynistic, and its members blame women for their inability to find sexual partners. Incels feel an aggrieved entitlement, and believe that women owe them sex. As one might expect, feminism is the bte noire within the incel community, and these basement-dwelling reactionaries long for the days before the sexual revolution and womens liberation.


https://www.salon.com/2018/05/12/angry-young-white-men-the-incel-rebellion-and-an-age-of-worldwide-reaction/
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Solar_Crimson
05/12/18 1:14:12 PM
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inb4 stuff
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xAmadaeus
05/12/18 1:41:18 PM
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sounds about right
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EverDownward
05/12/18 1:44:46 PM
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CommonStar posted...
Kimmel writes in his book Angry White Men: American Masculinity at the End of an Era.

Some people just want to watch the world burn. I understand that mentality, even if we arrive to it through differing perspectives.
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chill02
05/12/18 1:45:44 PM
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two things:
- lol salon
- fuck incels
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thelovefist
05/12/18 1:47:27 PM
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Literally salon.com
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CommonStar
05/12/18 2:05:19 PM
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chill02 posted...
two things:
- lol salon
- fuck incels

thelovefist posted...
Literally salon.com

So what they're saying is not true?
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tremain07
05/12/18 2:07:24 PM
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Race baiting garbage. why do whites get singled out when incels are of all races?
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Infinite 2003
05/12/18 2:07:53 PM
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Salon is trash
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Nightmare_Luna
05/12/18 2:08:53 PM
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thelovefist posted...
Literally salon.com

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Ammonitida
05/12/18 2:13:51 PM
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tremain07 posted...
Race baiting garbage. why do whites get singled out when incels are of all races?

The last incel rampage killer wasn't traditionally "white", being from Armenia which made him a protected minority in Canada.
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Zikten
05/12/18 2:14:20 PM
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chill02 posted...
two things:
- lol salon
- fuck incels

Not all incels are bad. Some just happen to be virgins. I don't hate women. I don't think they owe me anything. I don't even think about it anymore. I just play games and read comics and mind my own business
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apocalyptic_4
05/12/18 2:14:39 PM
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tremain07 posted...
Race baiting garbage. why do whites get singled out when incels are of all races?


"Statistics"
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ThePredominate
05/12/18 2:17:23 PM
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Uhhh?

It's not because young white people are yearning for the past when women were housewives and black people were slaves.

Young white people are defensive because of relentless media pieces telling us we're this and that, with disingenuous "things you white people need to do" articles.

It feels like people shit all over us, call us priveleged or are generally rude like this topic. The underlying hate for white people is palpable.
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AlphaBoy
05/12/18 2:19:36 PM
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ThePredominate posted...
Uhhh?

It's not because young white people are yearning for the past when women were housewives and black people were slaves.

Young white people are defensive because of relentless media pieces telling us we're this and that, with disingenuous "things you white people need to do" articles.

It feels like people shit all over us, call us priveleged or are generally rude like this topic. The underlying hate for white people is palpable.


lol what like white guys have good behaviours? I'm a white guy but I've seen many cases of racial slurs given towards other races.
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tennisdude818
05/12/18 2:26:43 PM
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People who think that a big government will help them vote for bigger government. People who dont want to be taxed up the ass vote for smaller (or reactionary) government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI" data-time="

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Offworlder1
05/12/18 2:29:51 PM
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Racist shitbags
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Antifar
05/12/18 2:31:51 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
People who dont want to be taxed up the ass vote for smaller (or reactionary) government.

Trump didn't exactly run on "small government." He ran on ramping up law enforcement and immigration enforcement, increasing barriers to trade, hell even expanding health coverage.
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tennisdude818
05/12/18 2:43:42 PM
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Antifar posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
People who dont want to be taxed up the ass vote for smaller (or reactionary) government.

Trump didn't exactly run on "small government." He ran on ramping up law enforcement and immigration enforcement, increasing barriers to trade, hell even expanding health coverage.


By libertarian standards, Trump was obviously not a small government candidate. There is a reason why Rand Paul wasnt the nominee, although he would have been my choice.

I dont think there is a small government answer on immigration right now. As long as you have a big welfare state, immigration remains a big government program whether borders are open or closed.
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Aloner
05/12/18 2:49:27 PM
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Most (all?) of these people writing articles attacking incels get laid though.

It's easy to not feel entitled to things you get to enjoy regardless.
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Rad_Chad
05/12/18 2:49:53 PM
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I think we should let the incels, SJWs, neo-Nazis, and other lamewads have some Anchorman style brawl. They're all so fucking weak.
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CommonStar
05/12/18 4:20:46 PM
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lol
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Comfy_Pillow
05/12/18 4:25:24 PM
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ImAMarvel posted...
Zikten posted...
chill02 posted...
two things:
- lol salon
- fuck incels

Not all incels are bad. Some just happen to be virgins. I don't hate women. I don't think they owe me anything. I don't even think about it anymore. I just play games and read comics and mind my own business


I think you're just a virgin who can't get laid as opposed to an incel.


What's the difference

Involuntarily celibate and not being able to get laid mean the same thing
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FaultyGourry
05/12/18 4:26:20 PM
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>salon
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Konflikt
05/12/18 4:26:34 PM
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Zikten posted...
chill02 posted...
two things:
- lol salon
- fuck incels

Not all incels are bad. Some just happen to be virgins. I don't hate women. I don't think they owe me anything. I don't even think about it anymore. I just play games and read comics and mind my own business


"Incel" is not and never will be someone who "just doesn't get laid"
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Dark_SilverX
05/12/18 4:28:48 PM
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tremain07 posted...
Race baiting garbage. why do whites get singled out when incels are of all races?

an incel has been triggered
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Panthera
05/12/18 4:36:22 PM
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Konflikt posted...
Zikten posted...
chill02 posted...
two things:
- lol salon
- fuck incels

Not all incels are bad. Some just happen to be virgins. I don't hate women. I don't think they owe me anything. I don't even think about it anymore. I just play games and read comics and mind my own business


"Incel" is not and never will be someone who "just doesn't get laid"


Look at how "SJW" or "snowflake" or "feminist" or "cuck" or a million other terms have changed in their usage as time goes on and ask yourself again if you really think "incel" won't soon enough come to mean "virgin" and then "doesn't get laid much" while still retaining the original negative connotation.
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Konflikt
05/12/18 4:44:51 PM
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Panthera posted...
Konflikt posted...
Zikten posted...
chill02 posted...
two things:
- lol salon
- fuck incels

Not all incels are bad. Some just happen to be virgins. I don't hate women. I don't think they owe me anything. I don't even think about it anymore. I just play games and read comics and mind my own business


"Incel" is not and never will be someone who "just doesn't get laid"


Look at how "SJW" or "snowflake" or "feminist" or "cuck" or a million other terms have changed in their usage as time goes on and ask yourself again if you really think "incel" won't soon enough come to mean "virgin" and then "doesn't get laid much" while still retaining the original negative connotation.


Actually, the argument is that it originally meant that, but now refers to angry misogynists who think they're owed sex.
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The Admiral
05/12/18 4:46:02 PM
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It's good to see that Salon has evolved from defending pedophiles, at least.
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twitterfriends
05/12/18 4:46:51 PM
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A lot of these guys voted for Trump and absolutely despise women gaining equality. They also use the word cuck a lot ironically.
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The Admiral
05/12/18 4:47:23 PM
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twitterfriends posted...
A lot of these guys voted for Trump and absolutely despise women gaining equality. They also use the word cuck a lot ironically.


Please, tell us more about treating women with equality and respect.
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myzz7
05/12/18 4:50:31 PM
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CommonStar posted...
There are still many in this generation of men who feel cheated by the end of entitlement, Kimmel writes in his book Angry White Men: American Masculinity at the End of an Era. They still feel entitled, and thus they identify socially and politically with those above them, even as they have economically joined the ranks of those who have historically been below them.

how does this relate to virginity. any ethnicity of any time in period was able to get some sex through mostly masculine behavior and strength and wit and all the other typical male behavior. how is some set of white men who aren't taught courtship masculine behavior - then fail when they can't get a woman - a part of "end of masculinity era"? Kimmel is speaking out of his ass.
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glitteringfairy
05/12/18 4:52:56 PM
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Fuckin Hail Satan boys
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billcom6
05/12/18 4:56:37 PM
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You're a fucking white male!
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Teddytalks
05/12/18 5:33:51 PM
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tremain07 posted...
Race baiting garbage. why do whites get singled out when incels are of all races?


Incel is primarily a white thing, as ties directly into TRP, neo Nazis and 4chan shit posters. These people seek to assert dominance over other groups of people, and will do so in any matter that benefit them, just because they feel pathetic. It also help that white people often feel the most entitled to things, and blame factors other than themselves for failure moreso than other groups.
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Ammonitida
05/12/18 5:58:18 PM
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Teddytalks posted...
tremain07 posted...
Race baiting garbage. why do whites get singled out when incels are of all races?


Incel is primarily a white thing, as ties directly into TRP, neo Nazis and 4chan shit posters. These people seek to assert dominance over other groups of people, and will do so in any matter that benefit them, just because they feel pathetic. It also help that white people often feel the most entitled to things, and blame factors other than themselves for failure moreso than other groups.


A good chunk are Asian or Asian mixed men. See r/hapas subreddit as an example (if it still exists). Asian-American men who feel entitled to white women and blame white men for stealing "their" women.

It also help that white people


are the majority of the population.
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tennisdude818
05/12/18 6:02:25 PM
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Teddytalks posted...
tremain07 posted...
Race baiting garbage. why do whites get singled out when incels are of all races?


Incel is primarily a white thing, as ties directly into TRP, neo Nazis and 4chan shit posters. These people seek to assert dominance over other groups of people, and will do so in any matter that benefit them, just because they feel pathetic. It also help that white people often feel the most entitled to things, and blame factors other than themselves for failure moreso than other groups.


Whew its a good thing your post is about white people, or else it would be super racist. Really, saying that about any other ethnic group would be racist.

I mean imagine saying that about any other group that tends to vote Democrat (AKA the party of free shit and offloading responsibility).
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Konflikt
05/12/18 6:04:12 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
Teddytalks posted...
tremain07 posted...
Race baiting garbage. why do whites get singled out when incels are of all races?


Incel is primarily a white thing, as ties directly into TRP, neo Nazis and 4chan shit posters. These people seek to assert dominance over other groups of people, and will do so in any matter that benefit them, just because they feel pathetic. It also help that white people often feel the most entitled to things, and blame factors other than themselves for failure moreso than other groups.


Whew its a good thing your post is about white people, or else it would be super racist. Really, saying that about any other ethnic group would be racist.

I mean imagine saying that about any other group that tends to vote Democrat (AKA the party of free shit and offloading responsibility).


Nothing like countering a racist post with a racist post of your own
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The Admiral
05/12/18 6:04:46 PM
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Teddytalks posted...
tremain07 posted...
Race baiting garbage. why do whites get singled out when incels are of all races?


Incel is primarily a white thing, as ties directly into TRP, neo Nazis and 4chan shit posters. These people seek to assert dominance over other groups of people, and will do so in any matter that benefit them, just because they feel pathetic. It also help that white people often feel the most entitled to things, and blame factors other than themselves for failure moreso than other groups.


LOL
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chetmanly
05/12/18 6:06:02 PM
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look at all these incel defenders
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Nikra
05/12/18 6:06:34 PM
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In my country, pulling the racist card doesn't work anymore: its like crying wolf one to many times
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tennisdude818
05/12/18 6:06:53 PM
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Konflikt posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Teddytalks posted...
tremain07 posted...
Race baiting garbage. why do whites get singled out when incels are of all races?


Incel is primarily a white thing, as ties directly into TRP, neo Nazis and 4chan shit posters. These people seek to assert dominance over other groups of people, and will do so in any matter that benefit them, just because they feel pathetic. It also help that white people often feel the most entitled to things, and blame factors other than themselves for failure moreso than other groups.


Whew its a good thing your post is about white people, or else it would be super racist. Really, saying that about any other ethnic group would be racist.

I mean imagine saying that about any other group that tends to vote Democrat (AKA the party of free shit and offloading responsibility).


Nothing like countering a racist post with a racist post of your own


Pointing out a racist double standard isnt racist.
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Ammonitida
05/12/18 6:08:43 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
Teddytalks posted...
tremain07 posted...
Race baiting garbage. why do whites get singled out when incels are of all races?


Incel is primarily a white thing, as ties directly into TRP, neo Nazis and 4chan shit posters. These people seek to assert dominance over other groups of people, and will do so in any matter that benefit them, just because they feel pathetic. It also help that white people often feel the most entitled to things, and blame factors other than themselves for failure moreso than other groups.


Whew its a good thing your post is about white people, or else it would be super racist. Really, saying that about any other ethnic group would be racist.

I mean imagine saying that about any other group that tends to vote Democrat (AKA the party of free shit and offloading responsibility).


It's not even true really. When I was first exposed to incel culture through Eurasian writer (who I found leaving racist comments on a Youtube video that was uploaded by a white male/Asian female couple), I found numerous examples of Asian-American self-identified incels who felt entitled to white women (especially blonds, ala Elliot Rodger) and blamed their failures on white men (especially blonds, lol).
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Konflikt
05/12/18 6:10:28 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
Konflikt posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Teddytalks posted...
tremain07 posted...
Race baiting garbage. why do whites get singled out when incels are of all races?


Incel is primarily a white thing, as ties directly into TRP, neo Nazis and 4chan shit posters. These people seek to assert dominance over other groups of people, and will do so in any matter that benefit them, just because they feel pathetic. It also help that white people often feel the most entitled to things, and blame factors other than themselves for failure moreso than other groups.


Whew its a good thing your post is about white people, or else it would be super racist. Really, saying that about any other ethnic group would be racist.

I mean imagine saying that about any other group that tends to vote Democrat (AKA the party of free shit and offloading responsibility).


Nothing like countering a racist post with a racist post of your own


Pointing out a racist double standard isnt racist.


I'm obviously talking about your second line. What did you really mean there
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MangaFan462
05/12/18 6:15:18 PM
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KingRocc
05/12/18 6:19:31 PM
#49:


tennisdude818 posted...
Teddytalks posted...
tremain07 posted...
Race baiting garbage. why do whites get singled out when incels are of all races?


Incel is primarily a white thing, as ties directly into TRP, neo Nazis and 4chan shit posters. These people seek to assert dominance over other groups of people, and will do so in any matter that benefit them, just because they feel pathetic. It also help that white people often feel the most entitled to things, and blame factors other than themselves for failure moreso than other groups.


Whew its a good thing your post isn't about black people, or else it would be super racist.

Ftfy
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tennisdude818
05/12/18 6:20:42 PM
#50:


Konflikt posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Konflikt posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Teddytalks posted...
tremain07 posted...
Race baiting garbage. why do whites get singled out when incels are of all races?


Incel is primarily a white thing, as ties directly into TRP, neo Nazis and 4chan shit posters. These people seek to assert dominance over other groups of people, and will do so in any matter that benefit them, just because they feel pathetic. It also help that white people often feel the most entitled to things, and blame factors other than themselves for failure moreso than other groups.


Whew its a good thing your post is about white people, or else it would be super racist. Really, saying that about any other ethnic group would be racist.

I mean imagine saying that about any other group that tends to vote Democrat (AKA the party of free shit and offloading responsibility).


Nothing like countering a racist post with a racist post of your own


Pointing out a racist double standard isnt racist.


I'm obviously talking about your second line. What did you really mean there


The Democrats certainly are the party of vote for me and Ill make other people pay your bills. However, it would be inappropriate to say that an entire ethnic group has a character flaw because of that. Im not aware of any ethnic group besides whites that doesnt mostly vote democrat.
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twitterfriends
05/12/18 6:22:24 PM
#51:


Teddytalks posted...
tremain07 posted...
Race baiting garbage. why do whites get singled out when incels are of all races?


Incel is primarily a white thing, as ties directly into TRP, neo Nazis and 4chan shit posters. These people seek to assert dominance over other groups of people, and will do so in any matter that benefit them, just because they feel pathetic. It also help that white people often feel the most entitled to things, and blame factors other than themselves for failure moreso than other groups.


Pretty much summed it up the best.
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chill02
05/12/18 6:26:57 PM
#52:


CommonStar posted...
So what they're saying is not true?


I mean, they're not wrong per se
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