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Hexenherz
05/12/18 10:25:48 AM
#51:


What Israel "released" was pretty straightforward evidence of just how easy it is to manipulate the current administration's foreign policy based on using simple words on a big screen, and that the current administration literally relies on information from foreign sources moreso than its own internal intelligence mechanisms.

No one seems to be paying attention to that fact though.
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Broseph_Stalin
05/12/18 10:27:11 AM
#52:


The Admiral posted...
I wish I knew where some of you guys got your news form.
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Iran
05/12/18 10:30:50 AM
#53:


Why does Israel, Pakistan, and North Korea get nukes but I'm suddenly a supervillain for wanting one? Israel doesn't really have a good history of treating it's weaker neighbors fairly. Can you really blame me for not wanting to be in the same position with it? We need nukes to be able to negotiate with an increasingly hostile neighborhood on an equal footing. Unlike Pakistan, I'm stable enough that you'd never have to worry about rogue states getting my nuclear missiles, and I very much enjoy living, so I wouldn't be insane enough to use them without provocation like North Korea would.

America just hates me for existing.
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Doom_Art
05/12/18 10:31:28 AM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
The Admiral posted...
I wish I knew where some of you guys got your news form.

=|
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Cheater87
05/12/18 10:34:17 AM
#55:


Didn't Isreal make the US pull it?
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The Admiral
05/12/18 10:34:40 AM
#56:


Iran posted...
Why does Israel, Pakistan, and North Korea get nukes but I'm suddenly a supervillain for wanting one? Israel doesn't really have a good history of treating it's weaker neighbors fairly. Can you really blame me for not wanting to be in the same position with it? We need nukes to be able to negotiate with an increasingly hostile neighborhood on an equal footing. Unlike Pakistan, I'm stable enough that you'd never have to worry about rogue states getting my nuclear missiles, and I very much enjoy living, so I wouldn't be insane enough to use them without provocation like North Korea would.

America just hates me for existing.


Probably because you have leaders who've gotten on TV and called for a genocide of the Jewish people.
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Iran
05/12/18 10:36:09 AM
#57:


The Admiral posted...
Iran posted...
Why does Israel, Pakistan, and North Korea get nukes but I'm suddenly a supervillain for wanting one? Israel doesn't really have a good history of treating it's weaker neighbors fairly. Can you really blame me for not wanting to be in the same position with it? We need nukes to be able to negotiate with an increasingly hostile neighborhood on an equal footing. Unlike Pakistan, I'm stable enough that you'd never have to worry about rogue states getting my nuclear missiles, and I very much enjoy living, so I wouldn't be insane enough to use them without provocation like North Korea would.

America just hates me for existing.


Probably because you have leaders who've gotten on TV and called for a genocide of the Jewish people.


And you have a leader who has gotten on TV and described neo nazis as good people.
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The Admiral
05/12/18 10:37:23 AM
#58:


Iran posted...
The Admiral posted...
Iran posted...
Why does Israel, Pakistan, and North Korea get nukes but I'm suddenly a supervillain for wanting one? Israel doesn't really have a good history of treating it's weaker neighbors fairly. Can you really blame me for not wanting to be in the same position with it? We need nukes to be able to negotiate with an increasingly hostile neighborhood on an equal footing. Unlike Pakistan, I'm stable enough that you'd never have to worry about rogue states getting my nuclear missiles, and I very much enjoy living, so I wouldn't be insane enough to use them without provocation like North Korea would.

America just hates me for existing.


Probably because you have leaders who've gotten on TV and called for a genocide of the Jewish people.


And you have a leader who has gotten on TV and described neo nazis as good people.


We don't, but that's a nice deflection.
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Antifar
05/12/18 10:37:36 AM
#59:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Iran saying they'll comply or Israel saying they have evidence of non-compliance?

Every UN inspection saying they're complying.

We have been down the "they're not really complying" road before.
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iPhone_7
05/12/18 10:45:10 AM
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Antifar posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Iran saying they'll comply or Israel saying they have evidence of non-compliance?

Every UN inspection saying they're complying.

We have been down the "they're not really complying" road before.

Iraq War 2: Electric Boogaloo

Now itll be a spin-off

Iran War Episode 1: The Ayatollah Menace
This time the Yellow Cake is real
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foreveraIone
05/12/18 10:46:08 AM
#61:


can we please get rid of all of the neocons

please

send them to the front lines at least
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1337toothbrush
05/12/18 10:50:35 AM
#63:


The Admiral posted...
Iran posted...
Why does Israel, Pakistan, and North Korea get nukes but I'm suddenly a supervillain for wanting one? Israel doesn't really have a good history of treating it's weaker neighbors fairly. Can you really blame me for not wanting to be in the same position with it? We need nukes to be able to negotiate with an increasingly hostile neighborhood on an equal footing. Unlike Pakistan, I'm stable enough that you'd never have to worry about rogue states getting my nuclear missiles, and I very much enjoy living, so I wouldn't be insane enough to use them without provocation like North Korea would.

America just hates me for existing.


Probably because you have leaders who've gotten on TV and called for a genocide of the Jewish people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-ahmadinejad-really-say-israel-should-be-wiped-off-the-map/2011/10/04/gIQABJIKML_blog.html

Also, not all Jews are zionists.
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Hexenherz
05/12/18 10:51:39 AM
#64:


Rather irrelevant to this specific topic since that should, if anything, have been cause enough to keep the agreement instead of just dipping out.
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ledbowman
05/12/18 10:56:10 AM
#65:


Israel used information from 2007 as their reasons why Iran broke the deal, not current actions. James Mattis told Congress just a few weeks ago that Iran did not break the deal.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-iran-deal-sanctions_us_5aeca9d9e4b0c4f193226f92
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ledbowman
05/12/18 10:57:55 AM
#66:


Imagine thinking it's cute to spread lies about this shit.
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foreveraIone
05/12/18 10:57:57 AM
#67:


ledbowman posted...
Israel used information from 2007 as their reasons why Iran broke the deal, not current actions. James Mattis told Congress just a few weeks ago that Iran did not break the deal.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-iran-deal-sanctions_us_5aeca9d9e4b0c4f193226f92

yeah this is getting ridiculous
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Doom_Art
05/12/18 10:59:33 AM
#68:


ledbowman posted...
Imagine thinking it's cute to spread lies about this shit.

Yeah I don't think Addy is particularly stupid so I gotta wonder what he's thinking here
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NinjaWarrior455
05/12/18 11:00:36 AM
#69:


ledbowman posted...
Imagine thinking it's cute to spread lies about this shit.

Fool me once, shame on...
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Hexenherz
05/12/18 11:02:32 AM
#70:


Doom_Art posted...
ledbowman posted...
Imagine thinking it's cute to spread lies about this shit.

Yeah I don't think Addy is particularly stupid so I gotta wonder what he's thinking here

You're being rather generous here
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KainFourteh
05/12/18 11:29:28 AM
#72:


Trump is a short sighted buffoon who can't see the bigger picture.
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sopfed
05/12/18 11:35:58 AM
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KainFourteh posted...
Trump is a short sighted buffoon who can't see the bigger picture.

Which is why it's so fucking awful that he's gonna go sit down with Kim Jong Un. He's going to walk into that meeting woefully uninformed, unprepared, without any sort of strategy, and immediately roll over and show Kim his belly.
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HypnoCoosh
05/12/18 11:40:09 AM
#74:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Trump is violating the agreement because it was one of Obama's major foreign policy achievements, not because it's a bad deal.

Anyone who says otherwise has zero knowledge about the issue, as the above posters have shown.


This is so ignorant I don't even know where to start. Congress didn't back the deal, the American people didn't back the deal, and the world didn't back the deal. Obummer pushed it through with en executive order before he slide out the door. Trump has every right to do what he did and the world agrees.

You're only salty because Trump is destroying your messiahs legacy to help the world largest threat in Iran.
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VTBM
05/12/18 11:51:13 AM
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Crepes
05/12/18 12:04:09 PM
#76:


VTBM posted...
Just nuke Iran and be done with it.


How will kill 100k innocents make anything better?
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NinjaWarrior455
05/12/18 12:10:37 PM
#77:


Crepes posted...
VTBM posted...
Just nuke Iran and be done with it.


How will kill 100k innocents make anything better?

Neocons thrive off of the idea of making the entire region a parking lot.
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Crepes
05/12/18 12:11:58 PM
#78:


NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Crepes posted...
VTBM posted...
Just nuke Iran and be done with it.


How will kill 100k innocents make anything better?

Neocons thrive off of the idea of making the entire region a parking lot.


Whats with dehumanising innocent people though?
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ledbowman
05/12/18 12:16:38 PM
#79:


I wonder if Admiral will come back.
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foreveraIone
05/12/18 12:26:58 PM
#81:


Crepes posted...
NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Crepes posted...
VTBM posted...
Just nuke Iran and be done with it.


How will kill 100k innocents make anything better?

Neocons thrive off of the idea of making the entire region a parking lot.


Whats with dehumanising innocent people though?

they are republicans.

racism is their bread and butter.

this is why we can't go back to pre Trump or even pre tea party gop.

they are just as racist
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whitelytning
05/12/18 12:34:58 PM
#82:


1337toothbrush posted...
The Admiral posted...
Iran posted...
Why does Israel, Pakistan, and North Korea get nukes but I'm suddenly a supervillain for wanting one? Israel doesn't really have a good history of treating it's weaker neighbors fairly. Can you really blame me for not wanting to be in the same position with it? We need nukes to be able to negotiate with an increasingly hostile neighborhood on an equal footing. Unlike Pakistan, I'm stable enough that you'd never have to worry about rogue states getting my nuclear missiles, and I very much enjoy living, so I wouldn't be insane enough to use them without provocation like North Korea would.

America just hates me for existing.


Probably because you have leaders who've gotten on TV and called for a genocide of the Jewish people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-ahmadinejad-really-say-israel-should-be-wiped-off-the-map/2011/10/04/gIQABJIKML_blog.html

Also, not all Jews are zionists.


Due to the lack of actual content in this post we are left to assume that your point in citing that article is to try to refute the claim that Iranian leaders have called for a genocide of the Jewish people. Did you happen to read the link?

The article argues that the quoted language regarding a specific leader's statement that Israel should be "wiped off the map" may have been due to a poor translation (and should have been "wiped of the pages of history") which doesn't help your point. However, the article goes on to discuss threatening language made by Iran, specifically regarding the genocide of the Israeli people. It specifically cites to another Iranian leader that said:

"Irans position, which was first expressed by the Imam [Khomeini] and stated several times by those responsible, is that the cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region.

There is no allegation of a poor translation with this quote. It also cites to a report that was created to specifically refute the very claim you tried to make.

You essentially cited to an article that says even though this one translation might have been poor, Iran has threatened Israel with genocide and here are some examples. Maybe my initial assumption was wrong and you were actually trying to support the statement you quoted? That would make more sense.
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iPhone_7
05/12/18 12:42:15 PM
#83:


HypnoCoosh posted...
>This is so ignorant I don't even know where to start. Congress didn't back the deal, the American people didn't back the deal, and the world didn't back the deal. Obummer pushed it through with en executive order before he slide out the door. Trump has every right to do what he did and the world agrees.

- The only country that opposed it was Israel.

- The Republican Congress wouldnt vote for it simply due to politics aka their re-election being put on the line due to neocons and their fear-mongering. Hence only other option is executive.

You should be ashamed by your ignorance
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scar the 1
05/12/18 12:56:17 PM
#84:


HypnoCoosh posted...
Trump has every right to do what he did and the world agrees.

Agrees that he has every right to do it, or agrees with what he did?
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HypnoCoosh
05/12/18 1:04:47 PM
#85:


iPhone_7 posted...
- The only country that opposed it was Israel.


Ummmm no.

France, Germany, United Kingdom, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Israel...

iPhone_7 posted...
The Republican Congress wouldnt vote for it


Yeah that's how the three branches of government wok. Look it up it's pretty amazing.

iPhone_7 posted...
You should be ashamed by your ignorance


Says the guy supporting Iranian leaders burning the US flag chanting "Death to America" just because the US backed out of a shitty deal that would lead to a nuclear capable Iran. *thumbs up*
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sopfed
05/12/18 1:08:28 PM
#86:


HypnoCoosh posted...
France, Germany, United Kingdom

all signed on...
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DreamwaIker
05/12/18 1:08:34 PM
#87:


sopfed posted...
Iran already knows how to produce nuclear weapons, but the deal required they give up the equipment that would have allowed them to do so, banned uranium enrichment beyond like 3% (when you need ~90% for nuclear weapons), required all nuclear waste be reprocessed or destroyed instead of used for other weapons, and set up the most rigorous and invasive inspection protocols a treaty of this kind has ever had.

Trump's claim that the deal only delays Iran's quest for weapons by a few years is based on the fact that some of the provisions expire after 10 years, but others last 20, others last longer, and the inspection access was indefinite. So of course was the solution was to abandon the deal entirely and... give up all of those restrictions immediately?

I agree with this post.
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ledbowman
05/12/18 1:10:12 PM
#88:


Stop lying about this. It's really not funny at all.
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HypnoCoosh
05/12/18 1:16:01 PM
#90:


ledbowman posted...
Stop lying about this. It's really not funny at all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E39bZl_mNAc" data-time="

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ledbowman
05/12/18 1:21:02 PM
#91:


HypnoCoosh posted...
ledbowman posted...
Stop lying about this. It's really not funny at all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E39bZl_mNAc" data-time="

Yeah no shit but you've also lied so shut the fuck up.
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HypnoCoosh
05/12/18 1:22:53 PM
#92:


@ledbowman posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
ledbowman posted...
Stop lying about this. It's really not funny at all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E39bZl_mNAc" data-time="

Yeah no shit but you've also lied so shut the fuck up.


Do you know what an "ad hominem" is?
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bover_87
05/12/18 1:35:37 PM
#93:


HypnoCoosh posted...
Do you know what an "ad hominem" is?

He's attacking your credibility by saying you've lied in the past.

That's not ad hominem, that's a legit attack on both you and your argument. Maybe learn what the term means before throwing it around at random?
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HypnoCoosh
05/12/18 1:37:23 PM
#94:


bover_87 posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
Do you know what an "ad hominem" is?

He's attacking your credibility by saying you've lied in the past.

That's not ad hominem, that's a legit attack on both you and your argument. Maybe learn what the term means before throwing it around at random?


Haha ok.

Typical CE. I bring the argument and people tuck their tails and avoid the discussion.
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Crepes
05/12/18 2:04:23 PM
#95:


I dont see a lot of arguments to be honest. I see a lot of noise going on but its mostly emotive speech and hyperbole with little to no supporting evidence for your views.
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Hicks233
05/12/18 2:35:27 PM
#96:


Cheater87 posted...
Didn't Isreal make the US pull it?

They bark jump and the US shouts "how high?".
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Marmitecashews
05/12/18 3:37:25 PM
#97:


HypnoCoosh posted...
iPhone_7 posted...
- The only country that opposed it was Israel.


Ummmm no.

France, Germany, United Kingdom, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Israel...

iPhone_7 posted...
The Republican Congress wouldnt vote for it


Yeah that's how the three branches of government wok. Look it up it's pretty amazing.

iPhone_7 posted...
You should be ashamed by your ignorance


Says the guy supporting Iranian leaders burning the US flag chanting "Death to America" just because the US backed out of a shitty deal that would lead to a nuclear capable Iran. *thumbs up*

Don't lie.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44044946

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44049532
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iPhone_7
05/12/18 6:42:13 PM
#98:


The Trumpanzee is just flat out lying now its even more pathetic.

Says the guy supporting Iranian leaders burning the US flag chanting "Death to America" just because the US backed out of a shitty deal that would lead to a nuclear capable Iran. *thumbs up*


Or maybe youre legitimately delusional, in which case seek help.
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