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Balrog0
05/07/18 5:11:26 PM
#51:


I would refuse to participate on moral grounds, without pretending I had bone spurs or whatever
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Akagami_Shanks
05/07/18 5:14:56 PM
#52:


The whole concept behind the draft is crazy to me

Forcing men to just die at a young age in some war that is 100% political most times, or otherwise lose limbs, or forcing those men to kill someone. Ugh
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Balrog0
05/07/18 5:15:50 PM
#53:


Hexenherz posted...
ModLogic posted...
why is it legal to be drafted then forced to kill foreigners in their homeland, but defecting and friendly fire is a crime.

There is such a thing as conscientious objector status.


it is actually pretty difficult to claim historically, though

unless you're a quaker or another religion that has it as one of their tenets

a big part of it is that you need to object to all wars regardless of whatever their supposed merits are, you can't just object to certain wars for certain reasons and qualify
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/07/18 5:16:38 PM
#54:


Poll should have an "I'm too old to be drafted" option tbh
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Sativa_Rose
05/07/18 5:18:33 PM
#55:


Balrog0 posted...
I would refuse to participate on moral grounds


Posts like this are making a really crazy assumption that this would be an immoral war from the US perspective. Something big enough to bring back the draft would probably not be that way.
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WizardofHoth
05/07/18 5:18:39 PM
#56:


People like me in our late 30s to 70 something we're old plus health problems.

Bad eyesight.

Everyone's in bad health anyway. Cancer, diabetes, brain tumors, etc

Plus those military green blip radars we wouldn't know what to do with them anyway.
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bladegash
05/07/18 5:23:48 PM
#57:


I'd reenlist before the draft ever got to me. And I'd hope the fat pizza faced nerds keep their promise of dodging the draft, don't need to babysit while I'm out there killing baddies.
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Balrog0
05/07/18 5:26:15 PM
#58:


Sativa_Rose posted...
Balrog0 posted...
I would refuse to participate on moral grounds


Posts like this are making a really crazy assumption that this would be an immoral war from the US perspective. Something big enough to bring back the draft would probably not be that way.


posts like this make crazy assumptions regarding my ethical values

I am a conscientious objector in the current sense of the term, though I think it should apply to more people who have more contingent moral stances against war

also, no, you are wrong about your prediction of how the draft could come back. but that is irrelevant for my purposes specifically
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/07/18 5:27:13 PM
#59:


darkjedilink posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Every liberal here would, after trolling Trump for doing it.

And how many of them have genuine aspirations to act as the Commander in Chief?
Fuck that chicken hawk piece of shit.

I didn't realize we amended the Constitution to make compulsory military service a requirement for the Presidency.


It's literally the 69th amendment. Lrn2constitution
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MC_BatCommander
05/07/18 5:27:18 PM
#60:


Probably
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RoboLaserGandhi
05/07/18 5:30:00 PM
#61:


Basically everyone here is too old.

They wouldn't start drafting dudes in their mid twenties until it starts looking like Germany in 1944.
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lilORANG
05/07/18 5:31:17 PM
#62:


Hexenherz posted...
lilORANG posted...
Hexenherz posted...
lilORANG posted...
Hexenherz posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
Hexenherz posted...
Those options are terrible and completely disregard the most basic premise which would precipitate the re-institution of the draft in the first place.


huh?

If there was a necessity for a draft, it would not just be because "lol rich old guys want to fuck people over".

Do you think Vietnam was an excellent idea or something?


Do you think World War 1 or World War 2 were excellent uses of the draft?

Yes. Now answer my question.

So would you say that there are legitimate, morally justifiable reasons to institute a draft?

i'm guessing the answer to my question would embarrass the point you're trying to make, which is why you're not so subtly trying to shift the goalposts.
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NightMarishPie
05/07/18 5:35:47 PM
#63:


pkmnlord posted...
Don't need to, I'm type 1 diabetic.

Probably the only good thing about having it.

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Hexenherz
05/07/18 5:43:49 PM
#64:


lilORANG posted...

i'm guessing the answer to my question would embarrass the point you're trying to make, which is why you're not so subtly trying to shift the goalposts.

I'm not shifting anything. I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from. You seem to be basing your poll off of one specific instance (based on using Vietnam as an example) and it is obviously a very heavily biased poll.
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wackyteen
05/07/18 5:45:28 PM
#65:


I wonder how the draft would be viewed if it had never been used in Vietnam.
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Sativa_Rose
05/07/18 6:34:01 PM
#66:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Basically everyone here is too old.

They wouldn't start drafting dudes in their mid twenties until it starts looking like Germany in 1944.


They wouldn't bring back a draft in the first place unless it was already dire though.
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Orthopox12
05/07/18 6:35:11 PM
#67:


Id reenlist personally. Might end up anyway.
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Sativa_Rose
05/07/18 6:35:16 PM
#68:


Balrog0 posted...
posts like this make crazy assumptions regarding my ethical values

I am a conscientious objector in the current sense of the term, though I think it should apply to more people who have more contingent moral stances against war

also, no, you are wrong about your prediction of how the draft could come back. but that is irrelevant for my purposes specifically


Well as for your ethical values, if you would refuse to fight in a situation where your entire society faced complete destruction (say literally every single person in your country would be killed or enslaved), then I think that you are an unethical person.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/07/18 7:49:54 PM
#69:


RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Basically everyone here is too old.

They wouldn't start drafting dudes in their mid twenties until it starts looking like Germany in 1944.


And even if it did get to that, I'm a whole decade older than those dudes so I'm fine :)
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BJ-blazkowics
05/07/18 9:15:19 PM
#70:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Basically everyone here is too old.

They wouldn't start drafting dudes in their mid twenties until it starts looking like Germany in 1944.


And even if it did get to that, I'm a whole decade older than those dudes so I'm fine :)


I don't know why you people are ignoring me, but I said it before, the draft can get expanded up to 45 years old.
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omega cookie
05/07/18 9:33:21 PM
#71:


BJ-blazkowics posted...
I don't know why you people are ignoring me, but I said it before, the draft can get expanded up to 45 years old.

Because your point is fucking stupid. Any war that would require both the draft and an increase in the age of those being drafted involves nuclear weapons, and then everyone is dead anyways. The fact that it technically can happen doesn't take away from it being stupid.

That aside, I'm 28 and my left leg and shoulder are held together by metal rods and plates, and I'm supposed to use a cane to walk around. That being said, if a war was going on that was bad enough to necessitate a draft(like something on the scale of WW2), I'd probably volunteer for some sort of non combat support role. If things go sideways so hard that we're sending millions of kids to fight and die, the least I can do is try to help them out as best as I can manage.
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LightningAce11
05/07/18 9:36:35 PM
#72:


As long as the people who started the war are on the front lines, then I would not care. They shouldn't be sitting in their cushy offices sipping tea while the rest of us are dying for their mistakes.
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thronedfire2
05/07/18 9:39:05 PM
#73:


Yeah I would [redacted] before letting myself be drafted
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Flockaveli
05/07/18 9:39:24 PM
#74:


BRB Im gonna switch to an incognito window before I vote.
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Atralis
05/07/18 9:41:15 PM
#75:


I joined the Army on my own after high school. If they called me back I would go without reservations.
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-Unowninator-
05/07/18 9:42:35 PM
#76:


Due to medical reasons, I can't join the army even if I wanted to.
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ehhwhatever
05/07/18 9:49:13 PM
#77:


I can push papers but I need to go to a bar at lunch.
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Vertania
05/07/18 9:52:28 PM
#78:


I'm too old now, but the Selective Service always pissed me off. At least require females to register for it too.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/07/18 10:02:42 PM
#79:


BJ-blazkowics posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Basically everyone here is too old.

They wouldn't start drafting dudes in their mid twenties until it starts looking like Germany in 1944.


And even if it did get to that, I'm a whole decade older than those dudes so I'm fine :)


I don't know why you people are ignoring me, but I said it before, the draft can get expanded up to 45 years old.


With my shoulders and psychological attitude? I can fucking ignore you. They'd kick me right the fuck out for any god damn number of reasons if they didn't kill me outright for being a c***
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EverDownward
05/07/18 10:03:11 PM
#80:


I'm not going to die for another country
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KingCrabCake
05/07/18 10:05:01 PM
#81:


whats the point in making a bias topic besides being insecure?
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CelestialVoices
05/07/18 10:11:21 PM
#82:


what would they want with a soyboy like me
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BJ-blazkowics
05/07/18 10:29:32 PM
#83:


omega cookie posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
I don't know why you people are ignoring me, but I said it before, the draft can get expanded up to 45 years old.

Because your point is fucking stupid. Any war that would require both the draft and an increase in the age of those being drafted involves nuclear weapons, and then everyone is dead anyways. The fact that it technically can happen doesn't take away from it being stupid.

That aside, I'm 28 and my left leg and shoulder are held together by metal rods and plates, and I'm supposed to use a cane to walk around. That being said, if a war was going on that was bad enough to necessitate a draft(like something on the scale of WW2), I'd probably volunteer for some sort of non combat support role. If things go sideways so hard that we're sending millions of kids to fight and die, the least I can do is try to help them out as best as I can manage.


You'd be such a liability if you got drafted. Not because of your metal rod and plate issues, but because you have a shit attitude and you'd end causing drama.
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omega cookie
05/08/18 4:48:10 AM
#84:


BJ-blazkowics posted...
omega cookie posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
I don't know why you people are ignoring me, but I said it before, the draft can get expanded up to 45 years old.

Because your point is fucking stupid. Any war that would require both the draft and an increase in the age of those being drafted involves nuclear weapons, and then everyone is dead anyways. The fact that it technically can happen doesn't take away from it being stupid.

That aside, I'm 28 and my left leg and shoulder are held together by metal rods and plates, and I'm supposed to use a cane to walk around. That being said, if a war was going on that was bad enough to necessitate a draft(like something on the scale of WW2), I'd probably volunteer for some sort of non combat support role. If things go sideways so hard that we're sending millions of kids to fight and die, the least I can do is try to help them out as best as I can manage.


You'd be such a liability if you got drafted. Not because of your metal rod and plate issues, but because you have a shit attitude and you'd end causing drama.

Being intelligent enough to understand that any war serious enough to cause the draft age to be raised would be a world ending event, and therefore any draft would be meaningless, means I have a bad attitude? Cool. I'd rather have a bad attitude than be a fucking idiot any day.

Go away little alt, before you make yourself look like any more of a fool.
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bladegash
05/08/18 9:22:39 AM
#85:


omega cookie posted...

Being intelligent enough

lol don't get ahead of yourself

any war serious enough to cause the draft age to be raised would be a world ending event

Stretch Armstrong getting jealous of that reaching ability

and therefore any draft would be meaningless

Your efforts would undoubtedly be meaningless, but that's about it

I'd rather have a bad attitude than be a fucking idiot any day.

Today, you fit both
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Balrog0
05/08/18 9:42:21 AM
#86:


Sativa_Rose posted...
Well as for your ethical values, if you would refuse to fight in a situation where your entire society faced complete destruction (say literally every single person in your country would be killed or enslaved), then I think that you are an unethical person.


lol okay champ
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darkbuster
05/08/18 9:48:49 AM
#87:


Most definitely. The way modern war works, a sudden draft would be for almost no other purpose than fodder.
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darkjedilink
05/08/18 9:53:01 AM
#88:


Vulgorn posted...
darkjedilink posted...

I didn't realize we amended the Constitution to make compulsory military service a requirement for the Presidency.

If you're going to call someone a piece of shit for draft dodging, you kinda back yourself into a corner in terms of the draft.

imagine defending someone able bodied draft dodging

How am I defending Trump's draft-dodging?
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
05/08/18 9:53:30 AM
#89:


Loghain posted...
No need, too old

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do_ob_tpkillr
05/08/18 10:01:30 AM
#90:


Should've framed it as a hypothetical scenario where they are eligible. Too many people just pussyfooting around, not posting their real opinion because they have this and that that disqualifies them from being drafted.
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darkjedilink
05/08/18 10:01:51 AM
#91:


Balrog0 posted...
I would refuse to participate on moral grounds, without pretending I had bone spurs or whatever

Not likely to work, but I would commend the attempt.
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darkjedilink
05/08/18 10:03:33 AM
#92:


DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
Loghain posted...
No need, too old

You do know that they raised the maximum eligibility age, right? Unless you're in your 50's (which I doubt, since you're posting here), you're likely eligible for a draft.
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darkprince45
05/08/18 10:04:06 AM
#93:


LightHawKnight posted...
Well I last had an asthma attack around when I was 14ish, so I guess I can't get drafted.

Boy I've had about 5 of those and did 8 years
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darkprince45
05/08/18 10:08:29 AM
#94:


The best part about these topics is the wieners that act super tough.

With my attitude hell no, no drill sergeant gonna yell at me, I'll punch that dude.

Please stop. Just say it, you are scared of going to war and dying if it came down to it. It's not a bad thing say. Everybody is scared, even the military. That's why only 1 percent of the us population do it lol. Dont make up lame excuses just be honest lol

That being said I never realized how many people on this forum can't even run down their stairs to their fridge
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
05/08/18 10:14:03 AM
#95:


darkjedilink posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
Loghain posted...
No need, too old

You do know that they raised the maximum eligibility age, right? Unless you're in your 50's (which I doubt, since you're posting here), you're likely eligible for a draft.

Well, I'm certain there's other types of people they'd take before picking a 41 year old guy who's never served in any military capacity.
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darkjedilink
05/08/18 10:40:37 AM
#96:


DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
darkjedilink posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
Loghain posted...
No need, too old

You do know that they raised the maximum eligibility age, right? Unless you're in your 50's (which I doubt, since you're posting here), you're likely eligible for a draft.

Well, I'm certain there's other types of people they'd take before picking a 41 year old guy who's never served in any military capacity.

You'd be drafted.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
05/08/18 10:43:04 AM
#97:


Probably if something bad enough happened that the draft had to brought back I'd enlist before they could draft me. Someone's gotta go out and protect the little bitches that would dodge the draft.
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
05/08/18 10:52:29 AM
#98:


darkjedilink posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
darkjedilink posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
Loghain posted...
No need, too old

You do know that they raised the maximum eligibility age, right? Unless you're in your 50's (which I doubt, since you're posting here), you're likely eligible for a draft.

Well, I'm certain there's other types of people they'd take before picking a 41 year old guy who's never served in any military capacity.

You'd be drafted.

Well whoopee. What about you, kid? ;)
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darkjedilink
05/08/18 11:14:52 AM
#99:


DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
darkjedilink posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
darkjedilink posted...
DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...
Loghain posted...
No need, too old

You do know that they raised the maximum eligibility age, right? Unless you're in your 50's (which I doubt, since you're posting here), you're likely eligible for a draft.

Well, I'm certain there's other types of people they'd take before picking a 41 year old guy who's never served in any military capacity.

You'd be drafted.

Well whoopee. What about you, kid? ;)

The only thing that MIGHT prevent me from being drafted would be the shoulder injury I got in boot camp for the Marines 10 years ago. If I get that waived, I'ma be an Air Force drone pilot.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
05/08/18 11:20:41 AM
#100:


If you can dodge a brick you can dodge a draft!

I have nothing else to contribute to this topic. The draft question comes up with every new President and it's always a stupid concern.
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