Board 8 > Thank you Digimon Adventure. It was one hell of a ride. (Tri spoilers maybe)

(+) Yeah! (+)

And after 18 years its finally over. It wasnt the perfect end from a story perspective, but it was MY perfect end.

(And of the movies, Our Future was one of the top 2)

See, when this was announced, I didnt care about story, or logic, or animation budget or anything.

I just cared the characters I grew up with from the anime I love above all others were coming back. Why or what they did be damned.

It ended as strongly as it could, and certainly better than most useful were expecting. And the very end credits with all 9 Digidestined/Chosen Children their Digimon, the original Mimi, the guy who sings Braveheart and the main Butterfly singer (RIP Kouji Wada) all singing a full version of Butterfly was amazing. A perfect end to Digimon Adventure.

Dan Dan Tai, Matt, Sora, Izzy, Mimi, Joe, TK, Kari, and (even) Mei.

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oh the last one came out? There go my lunch breaks next week then :D
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Tom Bombadil posted...

oh the last one came out? There go my lunch breaks next week then :D

Yesterday.

The date showed today, but it happened on the 4th. Im not complaining

Yea I'm gonna rewatch all of them before watching the final one, been following it since the beginning. Weird to think that's like 3 years ago now
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Tokoyami posted...

Yea I'm gonna rewatch all of them before watching the final one, been following it since the beginning. Weird to think that's like 3 years ago now

2 and a half since Reunion.

Nearly 4 since the announcement

I greatly enjoyed the series, but it sure did leave a lot of unanswered questions. And the treatment of the 02 kids is unacceptable imo. They left it very open to more though so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what comes next.

I watched the first 4 movies in English and it was so cool hearing most of the original cast come back. Although the originals that didn't come back stings a bit, especially Kari since her voice is extremely unique and important to the series. I was also kinda disappointed it wasn't fun and cheesy like the original, although with the more serious tone of the this new series, it works out ok I guess.
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Waluigi1 posted...

I greatly enjoyed the series, but it sure did leave a lot of unanswered questions. And the treatment of the 02 kids is unacceptable imo. They left it very open to more though so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what comes next.

I watched the first 4 movies in English and it was so cool hearing most of the original cast come back. Although the originals that didn't come back stings a bit, especially Kari since her voice is extremely unique and important to the series. I was also kinda disappointed it wasn't fun and cheesy like the original, although with the more serious tone of the this new series, it works out ok I guess.

Edward Elric in my Digimon is what sticks out most to me. Lol

UInstinctGogeta posted...

Waluigi1 posted...

I greatly enjoyed the series, but it sure did leave a lot of unanswered questions. And the treatment of the 02 kids is unacceptable imo. They left it very open to more though so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what comes next.

I watched the first 4 movies in English and it was so cool hearing most of the original cast come back. Although the originals that didn't come back stings a bit, especially Kari since her voice is extremely unique and important to the series. I was also kinda disappointed it wasn't fun and cheesy like the original, although with the more serious tone of the this new series, it works out ok I guess.

Edward Elric in my Digimon is what sticks out most to me. Lol

Lol yeah when I first heard his voice I immediately recognized him lol. I think he did alright, as along as he was calm. When he got excited or raised his voice, it was pure Edward coming through hahaha.
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what a fucking terrible ending

final 'battle' was nothing more than an execution by an overpowered fusion digimon

poor meiko ends the series having done nothing more important than guessing a computer password, doesn't even get the chance to be a real digidestined

the evil shapeshifter guy or whatever was not dealt with at all, like hes still free to fuck with the digital world in who knows what ways in the future

and holy fuck that last scene "hey there, sorry about that whole brutally murdering your partner digimon thing, here have some christmas presents and lets all be friends!"

yeah fuck that shit
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PrinceKaro posted...

what a fucking terrible ending

final 'battle' was nothing more than an execution by an overpowered fusion digimon

poor meiko ends the series having done nothing more important than guessing a computer password, doesn't even get the chance to be a real digidestined

the evil shapeshifter guy or whatever was not dealt with at all, like hes still free to fuck with the digital world in who knows what ways in the future

and holy fuck that last scene "hey there, sorry about that whole brutally murdering your partner digimon thing, here have some christmas presents and lets all be friends!"

yeah fuck that shit

She's NOT a real chosen child....

So why should you give a fuck she wasn't treated like one.

Bump.

I have things j want to say on my off day

Happens tonight.

(Go support the dub at theaters tonoght)

I wanted to so bad but I couldn't get off work. :/
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Waluigi1 posted...

I wanted to so bad but I couldn't get off work. :/

Well. At least go in September for part 6.

(It will be the only time you'll EVER be able to hear Butterfly in a dub of Digimon Adventure.

I told my boss you can either give me the day off or I can call in and you won't have anyone to run the place that night....

I have the day off today. Lol

Great dang show

Not an equally great ending

I want more though and it looks like we might get it?
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Great dang show

Not an equally great ending

I want more though and it looks like we might get it?

We damn well better.
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Yeah, overall I really enjoyed Tri but I wasn't a big fan of the ending. I enjoyed the Gabumon + Matt parts a ton, and all the Hackmon attention was great too but everything else was... not good.
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I'm only 2 movies through my rewatch before watching the end, I've seen nothing but dislike for the ending so I'm super curious how I'll feel when I watch it
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I wouldn't say it was a BAD ending but it wasn't the super epic awesome ending I was expecting after how good the rest of the show was and how much they'd built up
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In terms of all Digimon Tri movies

2 > 3 >> 5 > 1 > 4 > 6
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Great dang show

Not an equally great ending

I want more though and it looks like we might get it?

Not getting my hopes up yet.

Can easily be another video game like the PSP adventure game was, only for Tri.

Or it can be one starring the 02 kids.... which if so...
Ugh....

It made sense in 02 that the (stronger) 01 Kids couldn't help them because they didn't have D3's and they had used ALL their crest power up to free the gods.

But either because of the reboot or because it had been long enough they weren't drained anymore they all had their full powers back. And has been shown they are much much MUCH stronger than every other child who watched the Parrotmon Greymon fight, hence why they were chosen (seriously, the 8 of them stopped an omniversal attack.... it took "1 million points of light" for the 02 kids to stop a far far far weaker Malomyotismon.

So now I'm supposed to believe the 01 kids except Kari and TK are gonna sit idly by while they can do something and the 02 kids try to save the world.

One of the huge plot points of Tri was all of them getting Megas so as not to be complete dead weight...

And IPdramon fighter mode is strong don't get me wrong, but Holydramon and Seraphimon are LEAGUES stronger than anything Cody Yolei or Ken can digivolve too even if they had the ability to digivolve alone (which 2 of them don't, Ken has a crest so he's also Uber powerful like the 01 kids)

There just isn't a storyline reasoning that would make sense. Alpahmon beating the 02 Kids as a set up sure, the 01 kids are stronger, Yddrasil doing something to take out 6 of the 01 kids for six movies howver... what the fuck are the 02's gonna do?

I'd be cool with it following the 02 Kids only because Veemon, Armadillomon, and Wormmon are all fantastic and I'd love to see them <3
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Now, if it's a continuation with the 01 kids as well as utilizing the 02 kids that's great,
There is a lot of story left and it only makes sense from a narrative standpoint that the 01
Kids are the ones to finish off Yddrasil and find out dark Genai etc.

One thing I would be absoltely pissed as hell out would be if Davis, Yolei and Cody become able to evolve past Champion on their own. It has been made INCREDIBLY clear in anime, manga and video games of the Adventure series that Ryu, Ken, Tai, Matt, Sora, Izzy, Mimi, Joe, TK and Kari are special and more powerful among all kids on Earth.

Davis for what it's worth is a fun one...

So Paildramon is Veemon's normal Ultimate, but he was given power by the gods to get to Imperialdramon... so technically if he gets to Ultimate on his own he should be able to get to Mega and mode change because that was divine. Although then you wonder if the reboot stops that because Azulongmon wouldn't exist now.... who knows...

Then again he can use anything for a battery.... it doesn't have to be Stingmon...

Just use Cody and Yolei to power him to Paildramon instead.

That could still work while having both leaders in the final battle.

There is just no way Cody and Yolei should be involved. They aren't any stronger than normal chosen children across the globe like the thousands we saw, and they weren't given literal divine help like Davis was.

UInstinctGogeta posted...

Now, if it's a continuation with the 01 kids as well as utilizing the 02 kids that's great,
There is a lot of story left and it only makes sense from a narrative standpoint that the 01
Kids are the ones to finish off Yddrasil and find out dark Genai etc.

One thing I would be absoltely pissed as hell out would be if Davis, Yolei and Cody become able to evolve past Champion on their own. It has been made INCREDIBLY clear in anime, manga and video games of the Adventure series that Ryu, Ken, Tai, Matt, Sora, Izzy, Mimi, Joe, TK and Kari are special and more powerful among all kids on Earth.

Davis for what it's worth is a fun one...

So Paildramon is Veemon's normal Ultimate, but he was given power by the gods to get to Imperialdramon... so technically if he gets to Ultimate on his own he should be able to get to Mega and mode change because that was divine. Although then you wonder if the reboot stops that because Azulongmon wouldn't exist now.... who knows...

Then again he can use anything for a battery.... it doesn't have to be Stingmon...

Just use Cody and Yolei to power him to Paildramon instead.

That could still work while having both leaders in the final battle.

There is just no way Cody and Yolei should be involved. They aren't any stronger than normal chosen children across the globe like the thousands we saw, and they weren't given literal divine help like Davis was.

Wiw you really hate the 02 kids...

Anyway, I'd love for the 02 kids' digimon to get to ultimate level. And then they can dna digivolve to get some mega levels and be useful for once. Well until they inevitably get knocked aside so Davis can hog all the glory.
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Veemon is one of my favorites even if Davis is a moron
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Waluigi1 posted...

UInstinctGogeta posted...

Now, if it's a continuation with the 01 kids as well as utilizing the 02 kids that's great,
There is a lot of story left and it only makes sense from a narrative standpoint that the 01
Kids are the ones to finish off Yddrasil and find out dark Genai etc.

One thing I would be absoltely pissed as hell out would be if Davis, Yolei and Cody become able to evolve past Champion on their own. It has been made INCREDIBLY clear in anime, manga and video games of the Adventure series that Ryu, Ken, Tai, Matt, Sora, Izzy, Mimi, Joe, TK and Kari are special and more powerful among all kids on Earth.

Davis for what it's worth is a fun one...

So Paildramon is Veemon's normal Ultimate, but he was given power by the gods to get to Imperialdramon... so technically if he gets to Ultimate on his own he should be able to get to Mega and mode change because that was divine. Although then you wonder if the reboot stops that because Azulongmon wouldn't exist now.... who knows...

Then again he can use anything for a battery.... it doesn't have to be Stingmon...

Just use Cody and Yolei to power him to Paildramon instead.

That could still work while having both leaders in the final battle.

There is just no way Cody and Yolei should be involved. They aren't any stronger than normal chosen children across the globe like the thousands we saw, and they weren't given literal divine help like Davis was.

Wiw you really hate the 02 kids...

Anyway, I'd love for the 02 kids' digimon to get to ultimate level. And then they can dna digivolve to get some mega levels and be useful for once. Well until they inevitably get knocked aside so Davis can hog all the glory.

No I don't.... (well, I do hate Yolei, but that's a different story).

The problem doesn't have to do with hate.

The problem has to do with the fact that 3 of the 4 02 kids aren't special. They are identical to any of the other chosen children on the planet. The 9 that got crests (and Ryu for a much different weirder reason) are IMPLICITLY stated to be much stronger than everyone else. Not their Digimon are stronger... THEY are stronger.

From a literary stand point they don't belong in this fight of Titans. You can argue that Davis is ok because a god used his Digicore to power his Digimon.

The only way they should get to Ultimate would be if something happened like in Our War Game where the emotions and data of emails became Omnimons body. If somehow Sylphimon and Ankiylomon absorbed absurd amounts of data and emotions (not just from Yolei and Cody who are far too weak to get them past a natural Digimon stage on their own) that could work. Granted they'd have to do it twice to get to Mega. But still. That would at least make sense.

Conversely if they found 2 other Ultimates to be their battery for them to get to Mega afterwards that could skip one....

But that again leads to the problem of Yolei and Cody being too weak to create a jogress alone....

All of them in Adventure both games and anime have always had one of the 10 during it being performed.

ZeedMilleniummon was ended by a Jogress initiated by Ryo.

Omegamon had Tai and Matt.
Sylphimon had Kari
Shakoulmon had TK
Paildramon had Ken
Imperialdramon Paladin mode had Ken
"Libra" had Kari.

Tokoyami posted...

Veemon is one of my favorites even if Davis is a moron

He's like Mimi.

Yes he sucks in both....

But both of them were so god damn Flanderized in the dub.... Daisuke is at least tolerable most of the time. Davis is utter cancer.

Hey I like Mimi

Also JoeXMimi > IzzyXMimi
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Tokoyami posted...

Hey I like Mimi

Also JoeXMimi > IzzyXMimi

I didn't say I didn't like Mimi.

Just that the dub Flanderized her.

Davis was cancer afterward, Mimi still had apt of character growth, great moments and such.

(And Tris actually much better about not turning Mimi into a one note Dub character, unlike Sabah was)

Also, its important to note that on ALL those Jogress I just named, that one of the 10 was the battery. (Except Omegamon since the data and emotions itself were the battery.

Stingmon (Ken) sacrifices his data to make Paildramon, XV-mons Ultimate
Gatomon (Kari) sacrifices her data to make Sylphimon, Halsimons Ultimate
Angemon (TK) sacrifices his data to make Shakoulmon, Ankylomons Ultimate.
Ryo sacrifices his Digimona data to make ZeedMilleniummon into an egg from jogress.
And we saw what happened with Libra. (Kari)

So in the Adventure universe it doesn't even seem possible for anyone to be strong enough to have their Digimon sacrifice themselves as a battery except the 10...

Tokoyami posted...

Hey I like Mimi

Also JoeXMimi > IzzyXMimi

my dude

which also reminds me that the phone call at the end was hilarious

we can never have romances go anywhere ever
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Tokoyami posted...

Hey I like Mimi

Also JoeXMimi > IzzyXMimi

my dude

which also reminds me that the phone call at the end was hilarious

we can never have romances go anywhere ever

I mean... they all but canonized TK and Kari. But that's gonna be the best we ever get. They aren't ever gonna kiss or anything on Japense Shouen anime.

I have no idea what you're going on about. When was it inexplicably stated that the original are more special and stronger than any other digidestined? I always took it that any digidestined has the potential to digivolve further, just that it takes some kind of extreme situation or circumstance to push them to that point.
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Waluigi1 posted...

I have no idea what you're going on about. When was it inexplicably stated that the original are more special and stronger than any other digidestined? I always took it that any digidestined has the potential to digivolve further, just that it takes some kind of extreme situation or circumstance to push them to that point.

It's stated multiple times in the Wonderswan games, that you two (Ken and Ryo) and the eight chosen children from Summer Camp are the ONLY ones with this kinda power. And though never directly stated, it's shown multiple times in the anime.

The 01 chosen children crest power was able to release god's, wake people up, dispel fog, make the invisible visible, seal Daemon, open gates to the Digital world multiple times where there were none, and again, I feel it appropriate to mention..... STOP AN OMNIVERSAL DESTROYING ATTACK.....

What did the 02 kids (or Kari and TK that season after they had used all their power to release the god's) ever do that was impressive? Something that anyone with a digivice couldn't have done. The answer is nothing. The 02 kids are just normal Children with Digimon partners. They don't have a shred of the canon power the 10 have... that's why they were chosen by Homeostasis.

UInstinctGogeta posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

Tokoyami posted...

Hey I like Mimi

Also JoeXMimi > IzzyXMimi

my dude

which also reminds me that the phone call at the end was hilarious

we can never have romances go anywhere ever

I mean... they all but canonized TK and Kari. But that's gonna be the best we ever get. They aren't ever gonna kiss or anything on Japense Shouen anime.

one would think that if Ash can get a kiss from whatever flavor of the gen then we could get the "all but" out of that sentence after three dang series
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Tom Bombadil posted...

UInstinctGogeta posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

Tokoyami posted...

Hey I like Mimi

Also JoeXMimi > IzzyXMimi

my dude

which also reminds me that the phone call at the end was hilarious

we can never have romances go anywhere ever

I mean... they all but canonized TK and Kari. But that's gonna be the best we ever get. They aren't ever gonna kiss or anything on Japense Shouen anime.

one would think that if Ash can get a kiss from whatever flavor of the gen then we could get the "all but" out of that sentence after three dang series

The fact we didn't see her kiss him says a lot.... The fact they immediately fucking split up says even more....

We just aren't gonna get this out of a Shoen series. It took a 20 year time skip to get Matt and Sora. It's also important to note they still played up the triangle between her and Matt and Tai during Tri, and this is 3 years after they confirmed have been dating in 02.... So yeah. Shoen just isn't gonna give us this type of closure unfortunately. Even though Izzy is awesome and deserves to know if it would work.

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Goddamn that song is too good.
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Yes. it was awesome. I still remember when I watched it when I was 7
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mithras123 posted...

Yes. it was awesome. I still remember when I watched it when I was 7

The song? Or Digimon Adventure?

Actually, what is the Mega form of Shakkoumon? Its no longer Vikemon like in the Digital Card Battle game, is it?
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Natwaf_akidna posted...

Actually, what is the Mega form of Shakkoumon? Its no longer Vikemon like in the Digital Card Battle game, is it?

No way to know unless they (stupidly) give Cody the ability to do it.

But it stands to reason they wouldn't have some final climatic battle with 2 Vikemons.

Yeah at least Silphymon has the so damn obvious Valkyrimon
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Natwaf_akidna posted...

Actually, what is the Mega form of Shakkoumon? Its no longer Vikemon like in the Digital Card Battle game, is it?

What a strange evolution...
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So let's talk about part 5 dub.

I thought the script for it this time was on point.

And the dub also did a better job of showing that Himikawa totally killed Tapirmon.... which I thought the Japanese version didn't convey as hard. The kill the tension school section was more tolerable in English (still stupid) and I really liked the Digimon sayijg on Tai and Meiko more now because Tentamon added a ton to the absurdity with his comments.
The ghost story part was also funnier because Vic just fucking killed it when people were gossiping about him being scared.

Hackmons voice makes him more of a stone cold killer in the dub (which is good)

Now for the bad (there isn't much, and they couldn't help some of it).

Maybe Tai's most iconic line in Tri (when running after Jesmon and Rasailmon) was killed in the Dub. I don't blame Josh, Josh delivered it about as well as his Japanese counterpart, but the Japanese version gave the line gravitas and power, where as the dub script just ripped all that out of it like it was a normal line, which both hurts the line and makes it far more jarring when they flash back to it since now it means less.

Kari's voice actor...... ugh.... she's not bad, but she just CAN'T add anything to the scene. Being that this was her fucking movie that's a problem. She's not nearly as good as her Japanese counterpart for the Digiworld hates us part, and she's frigging awful for the kicking Homeostasis out of her body part. Also, she never really calls Tai big brother in the dub like Hikari has nicknames for Taichi in the sub, so it's really misplaced her words when Tai "dies" Which I feel did hurt that moment a bit. But the shock of Tai dying, Ophanimon Falldown Mode and then Libra right in a row makes it quickly forgotten.

Meiko still sucks as a character, but her dub actor is far less annoying than her sub.... so that's neat at least.

I LOVE Diago's dub voice. Thx. I can't wait to see how he treats the lab scene in 6. Same for Josh.

Everything else was fine. Script was pretty accurate, and most of the very minor changes made (bar the one I said earlier) were more neutral than negative. Good dub. No complaints, and dear god was it awesome seeing Omegamon come together on an IMAX screen. Hyped like hell for part 6 dub in September

Waluigi1 posted...

Natwaf_akidna posted...

Actually, what is the Mega form of Shakkoumon? Its no longer Vikemon like in the Digital Card Battle game, is it?

What a strange evolution...

Vikemon makes sense for Ankylomon....

It's the Ultimate that doesn't

I love how random Shakkoumon is. Dinosaur + Angel = Dogu Statue
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Natwaf_akidna posted...

I love how random Shakkoumon is. Dinosaur + Angel = Dogu Statue

Ok....

Again. That's not how jogress works.

It's not a COMBINATION of Ankylomon and Angemon.

It's Ankylomon digivolving to his normal Ultimate by using Angemon's data as a battery because these kids don't have crests or such.

And as I said earlier, no one else has ever been able to be a battery (in Adventure verse anyway) besides Ryo, Ken, and the Eight. It takes a different level of natural strength to get past the normal adult stage just by fueling another Digimon.

UInstinctGogeta posted...

Waluigi1 posted...

Natwaf_akidna posted...

Actually, what is the Mega form of Shakkoumon? Its no longer Vikemon like in the Digital Card Battle game, is it?

What a strange evolution...

Vikemon makes sense for Ankylomon....

It's the Ultimate that doesn't

How so?
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Waluigi1 posted...

UInstinctGogeta posted...

Waluigi1 posted...

Natwaf_akidna posted...

Actually, what is the Mega form of Shakkoumon? Its no longer Vikemon like in the Digital Card Battle game, is it?

What a strange evolution...

Vikemon makes sense for Ankylomon....

It's the Ultimate that doesn't

How so?

All of Armidollomons forms are armored/armor wearing animals (and a stupid sub), but his Ultimate is a friggen metal doll