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Antifar 05/04/18 1:15:59 PM #1:	https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/upshot/fast-food-jobs-teenagers-shortage.html A quarter-century ago, there were 56 teenagers in the labor force for every limited service restaurant that is, the kind where you order at the counter. Today, there are fewer than half as many, which is a reflection both of teenagers decreasing work force participation and of the explosive growth in restaurants. But in an industry where cheap labor is an essential component in providing inexpensive food, a shortage of workers is changing the equation upon which fast-food places have long relied. This can be seen in rising wages, in a growth of incentives, and in the sometimes odd situations that business owners find themselves in. This is why Jeffrey Kaplow, for example, spends a lot of time working behind the counter in his Subway restaurant in Lower Manhattan. Its not what he pictured himself doing, but he simply doesnt have enough employees. Mr. Kaplow has tried everything he can think of to find workers, placing Craigslist ads, asking other franchisees for referrals, seeking to hire people from Subways that have closed. Yet there he was during a recent lunchtime rush, ringing up veggie footlongs and fountain drinks. He feared that if the line grew too long, people might get frustrated and not come back. Every time theres a huge line, the next day the store is nowhere near as busy, he explained later as he straightened tables and swept up crumbs. Across the country, Keith Miller, another franchisee, is dealing with the same problem. What employees? We dont have them anymore, joked Mr. Miller, who cant find enough workers for the three Subways he owns in Northern California. Since 2010, fast-food jobs have grown nearly twice as fast as employment over all, contributing to the economic recovery. But rapid growth has created new problems. Some say restaurants have grown faster than demand, causing a glut of competition that is another source of pressure on business owners. Restaurant owners are also worrying about increased immigration enforcement: Nearly 20 percent of workers are foreign-born. With unemployment at a 17-year low, businesses everywhere are struggling to find workers. Fast food is feeling the pinch acutely, especially as one important source of workers has dried up. In 2000, about 45 percent of those between 16 and 19 had a job today its 30 percent. We used to get overwhelmed with the number of people wanting summer jobs, Mr. Miller said, adding that he now gets maybe a handful of such applications, at most. I dont know what teenagers do all summer. Gavin Poole, a 17-year-old senior at Montville Township High School in New Jersey, likes the idea of being his own boss thats one reason he created a small business out of after-school landscaping and handyman work. The money has helped cover his cellphone bill and the payments on the Jeep Wrangler he leased last year. I want to be prepared for the future, because you dont know, financially, what situation you could be in, he said. A recent analysis by economists at the Bureau of Labor Statistics found that an increased emphasis on education and getting scholarships had contributed to the decline in working teenagers, reflecting both the rising costs of education and the low wages most people that age can earn. Now, after years of benefiting from low-cost labor, many employers are starting to pay more. Fast-food wages began rising in 2014, and have increased faster than overall wages since. But at $10.93 an hour, the pay is still less than half the average for an hourly employee, pushing companies to offer more incentives like dental insurance, sign-up bonuses and even travel reimbursement to entice workers. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:900792565] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/upshot/fast-food-jobs-teenagers-shortage.html <quote>A quarter-century ago, there were 56 teenagers in the labor force for every limited service restaurant that is, the kind where you order at the counter. Today, there are fewer than half as many, which is a reflection both of teenagers decreasing work force participation and of the explosive growth in restaurants. But in an industry where cheap labor is an essential component in providing inexpensive food, a shortage of workers is changing the equation upon which fast-food places have long relied. This can be seen in rising wages, in a growth of incentives, and in the sometimes odd situations that business owners find themselves in. This is why Jeffrey Kaplow, for example, spends a lot of time working behind the counter in his Subway restaurant in Lower Manhattan. Its not what he pictured himself doing, but he simply doesnt have enough employees. Mr. Kaplow has tried everything he can think of to find workers, placing Craigslist ads, asking other franchisees for referrals, seeking to hire people from Subways that have closed. Yet there he was during a recent lunchtime rush, ringing up veggie footlongs and fountain drinks. He feared that if the line grew too long, people might get frustrated and not come back. Every time theres a huge line, the next day the store is nowhere near as busy, he explained later as he straightened tables and swept up crumbs. Across the country, Keith Miller, another franchisee, is dealing with the same problem. What employees? We dont have them anymore, joked Mr. Miller, who cant find enough workers for the three Subways he owns in Northern California. Since 2010, fast-food jobs have grown nearly twice as fast as employment over all, contributing to the economic recovery. But rapid growth has created new problems. Some say restaurants have grown faster than demand, causing a glut of competition that is another source of pressure on business owners. Restaurant owners are also worrying about increased immigration enforcement: Nearly 20 percent of workers are foreign-born. With unemployment at a 17-year low, businesses everywhere are struggling to find workers. Fast food is feeling the pinch acutely, especially as one important source of workers has dried up. In 2000, about 45 percent of those between 16 and 19 had a job today its 30 percent. We used to get overwhelmed with the number of people wanting summer jobs, Mr. Miller said, adding that he now gets maybe a handful of such applications, at most. I dont know what teenagers do all summer. Gavin Poole, a 17-year-old senior at Montville Township High School in New Jersey, likes the idea of being his own boss thats one reason he created a small business out of after-school landscaping and handyman work. The money has helped cover his cellphone bill and the payments on the Jeep Wrangler he leased last year. I want to be prepared for the future, because you dont know, financially, what situation you could be in, he said. A recent analysis by economists at the Bureau of Labor Statistics found that an increased emphasis on education and getting scholarships had contributed to the decline in working teenagers, reflecting both the rising costs of education and the low wages most people that age can earn. Now, after years of benefiting from low-cost labor, many employers are starting to pay more. Fast-food wages began rising in 2014, and have increased faster than overall wages since. But at $10.93 an hour, the pay is still less than half the average for an hourly employee, pushing companies to offer more incentives like dental insurance, sign-up bonuses and even travel reimbursement to entice workers.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
twitterfriends 05/04/18 1:18:10 PM #3:	They pay shit. --- #NotMyPresident #JusticeDemocrats #Neblio #WolfPAC #Bitcoin #WeAre12 #12thMan #Seahawks #Belieber #DENT #UBI #PokemonGo #twitterfriends #MMA #PopularHashtags <cite>twitterfriends posted [p:900792664] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>They pay shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 05/04/18 1:25:00 PM #4:	Why get a job when I can sponge off my baby boomer parents while blaming them for all of my problems? --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://i.imgur.com/M1TnV8w.jpg <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:900792983] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>Why get a job when I can sponge off my baby boomer parents while blaming them for all of my problems?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SomeGuyUO 05/04/18 1:25:04 PM #5:	Old people are working those fast food jobs now. <cite>SomeGuyUO posted [p:900792987] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>Old people are working those fast food jobs now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 05/04/18 1:26:17 PM #6:	seems like good news to me --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:900793042] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>seems like good news to me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Target 05/04/18 1:27:36 PM #7:	Hire less. Build more kiosks. --- http://i.imgur.com/uLlcOZS.gif http://i.imgur.com/13cVlHX.gif <cite>Blue_Target posted [p:900793093] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>Hire less. Build more kiosks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/04/18 1:28:39 PM #9:	SomeGuyUO posted... Old people are working those fast food jobs now. Because the kids won't anymore. twitterfriends posted... They pay shit. How much do you think you should get to work automatic machinery all day? The only reason McDonald's doesn't train chimps to do kitchen, expo, or second window duty is health codes. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:900793141] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>SomeGuyUO posted...</cite> <quote>Old people are working those fast food jobs now.</quote> Because the kids won't anymore. <cite>twitterfriends posted...</cite> <quote>They pay shit.</quote> How much do you think you should get to work automatic machinery all day? The only reason McDonald's doesn't train chimps to do kitchen, expo, or second window duty is health codes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 05/04/18 1:28:44 PM #10:	Balrog0 posted... seems like good news to me --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:900793149] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>seems like good news to me</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
myzz7 05/04/18 1:28:58 PM #11:	places in my town still pay $7.25 an hour for fast food jobs with a straight face. maybe if its not your first job and your out of high school, you'll get $8. compare that to someplace like Boston which won't pay below $11 an hour. why fucking bother. go online, stream, get some donations and pull in a couple hundred bucks a month at minimum. whether its making lets plays or writing fanfics or drawing - the gig economy through only online work is thriving - then theres crypto-currencies and shit and doing gig work for making apps. i mean, why fucking bother working at ur local run-down burger king for bad hours and bad pay. --- http://s10.postimage.org/mxioonsd1/gildavatar.gif http://gifgifs.com/res/0916/57ebaeea6c7a9047727112.gif <cite>myzz7 posted [p:900793160] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>places in my town still pay $7.25 an hour for fast food jobs with a straight face. maybe if its not your first job and your out of high school, you'll get $8. compare that to someplace like Boston which won't pay below $11 an hour. why fucking bother. go online, stream, get some donations and pull in a couple hundred bucks a month at minimum. whether its making lets plays or writing fanfics or drawing - the gig economy through only online work is thriving - then theres crypto-currencies and shit and doing gig work for making apps. i mean, why fucking bother working at ur local run-down burger king for bad hours and bad pay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 05/04/18 1:29:30 PM #12:	Anisoptera posted... Fast food isn't relaxed as it used to be and it's getting more expensive to employ more people at once. Young people or not a lot of fast food stores are only allowing 3 people to be working at the floor at the same time and are expected to deal with huge lines of food. Subway only allows 2 people working the floor at the same time and customers go there buying sandwiches for their whole families. Less people want to deal with cooking food and go to fast food places ordering more than $45 worth of food. I've never seen or heard of this. Like I went to subway just the other day and there were more than 2 people behind the counter working. --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:900793184] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anisoptera posted...</cite> <quote>Fast food isn't relaxed as it used to be and it's getting more expensive to employ more people at once. Young people or not a lot of fast food stores are only allowing 3 people to be working at the floor at the same time and are expected to deal with huge lines of food. Subway only allows 2 people working the floor at the same time and customers go there buying sandwiches for their whole families. Less people want to deal with cooking food and go to fast food places ordering more than $45 worth of food.</quote> I've never seen or heard of this. Like I went to subway just the other day and there were more than 2 people behind the counter working.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0atmealcreampie 05/04/18 1:30:37 PM #13:	Drove by Mc Donalds today sign saif $11 hiring. My first hour wage job was $3.27 an hour when I was 14 years old and it was a shitty job. I don't see the problem here. --- Nom nom <cite>0atmealcreampie posted [p:900793243] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>Drove by Mc Donalds today sign saif $11 hiring. My first hour wage job was $3.27 an hour when I was 14 years old and it was a shitty job. I don't see the problem here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/04/18 1:31:55 PM #14:	myzz7 posted... places in my town still pay $7.25 an hour for fast food jobs with a straight face. maybe if its not your first job and your out of high school, you'll get $8. compare that to someplace like Boston which won't pay below $11 an hour. why fucking bother. go online, stream, get some donations and pull in a couple hundred bucks a month at minimum. whether its making lets plays or writing fanfics or drawing - the gig economy through only online work is thriving - then theres crypto-currencies and shit and doing gig work for making apps. i mean, why fucking bother working at ur local run-down burger king for bad hours and bad pay. Guess how much more a Whopper is in Boston... --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:900793302] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>myzz7 posted...</cite> <quote>places in my town still pay $7.25 an hour for fast food jobs with a straight face. maybe if its not your first job and your out of high school, you'll get $8. compare that to someplace like Boston which won't pay below $11 an hour. why fucking bother. go online, stream, get some donations and pull in a couple hundred bucks a month at minimum. whether its making lets plays or writing fanfics or drawing - the gig economy through only online work is thriving - then theres crypto-currencies and shit and doing gig work for making apps. i mean, why fucking bother working at ur local run-down burger king for bad hours and bad pay.</quote> Guess how much more a Whopper is in Boston...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 05/04/18 1:39:18 PM #15:	Why would you outright look for employees that you're only going to use in the summer? It's a waste of your time when you have adults that are more or less making a career out of this. --- PSN: Jiek FFRK: Tyro God Wall KZcv <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:900793668] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>Why would you outright look for employees that you're only going to use in the summer? It's a waste of your time when you have adults that are more or less making a career out of this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 05/04/18 1:42:25 PM #16:	darkjedilink posted... myzz7 posted... places in my town still pay $7.25 an hour for fast food jobs with a straight face. maybe if its not your first job and your out of high school, you'll get $8. compare that to someplace like Boston which won't pay below $11 an hour. why fucking bother. go online, stream, get some donations and pull in a couple hundred bucks a month at minimum. whether its making lets plays or writing fanfics or drawing - the gig economy through only online work is thriving - then theres crypto-currencies and shit and doing gig work for making apps. i mean, why fucking bother working at ur local run-down burger king for bad hours and bad pay. Guess how much more a Whopper is in Boston... why don't you tell us? how much of that increase in price is directly attributed to higher wages vs other cost increases like higher rent/mortgage, etc? --- Playing: Superhot (PC) *(~);} - It seems like all this life was just a dream - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:900793815] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>myzz7 posted...</cite> <quote>places in my town still pay $7.25 an hour for fast food jobs with a straight face. maybe if its not your first job and your out of high school, you'll get $8. compare that to someplace like Boston which won't pay below $11 an hour. why fucking bother. go online, stream, get some donations and pull in a couple hundred bucks a month at minimum. whether its making lets plays or writing fanfics or drawing - the gig economy through only online work is thriving - then theres crypto-currencies and shit and doing gig work for making apps. i mean, why fucking bother working at ur local run-down burger king for bad hours and bad pay.</quote> Guess how much more a Whopper is in Boston...</quote> why don't you tell us? how much of that increase in price is directly attributed to higher wages vs other cost increases like higher rent/mortgage, etc?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jukester 05/04/18 1:44:49 PM #17:	0atmealcreampie posted... Drove by Mc Donalds today sign saif $11 hiring. My first hour wage job was $3.27 an hour when I was 14 years old and it was a shitty job. I don't see the problem here. Inflation, for one. --- "i am making Jerky that some day will be sold in every store in America Very few of you are good enough for my jerky" - krosser, Last of the great smu <cite>jukester posted [p:900793932] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>0atmealcreampie posted...</cite> <quote>Drove by Mc Donalds today sign saif $11 hiring. My first hour wage job was $3.27 an hour when I was 14 years old and it was a shitty job. I don't see the problem here.</quote> Inflation, for one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/04/18 1:46:18 PM #18:	Why bother, when a passable amount of money can be made selling crap on etsy, playing videogames on youtube, or posing nude and/or drawing furry porn on whatever website hasn't had a porn purge recently. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:900794004] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>Why bother, when a passable amount of money can be made selling crap on etsy, playing videogames on youtube, or posing nude and/or drawing furry porn on whatever website hasn't had a porn purge recently.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 05/04/18 1:49:24 PM #19:	I worked fast food in high school because it was all I could get and I wanted money to buy random shit. But nowadays there's a lot more options online and shit for teens if they wanna make money. If I were a teen, why would I work at a job in a kitchen for shit pay, dealing with shitty customers, and a boss that treats me like garbage and schedules me outside my availability? If fast food wants more kids to work for them, maybe they ought to be less awful employers then --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:900794145] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>I worked fast food in high school because it was all I could get and I wanted money to buy random shit. But nowadays there's a lot more options online and shit for teens if they wanna make money. If I were a teen, why would I work at a job in a kitchen for shit pay, dealing with shitty customers, and a boss that treats me like garbage and schedules me outside my availability? If fast food wants more kids to work for them, maybe they ought to be less awful employers then</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 05/04/18 1:50:24 PM #20:	Doom_Art posted... If fast food wants more kids to work for them, maybe they ought to be less awful employers then They'd probably rather go out of business. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:900794190] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>If fast food wants more kids to work for them, maybe they ought to be less awful employers then</quote> They'd probably rather go out of business.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CharlesBronson 05/04/18 1:50:36 PM #21:	lol what labor shortage? that article is a load of horse shit if you applied for a fas food job they probablt wouldn't even call you for an interview the reason there are half as many fast food workers is because of AUTOMATION the only truthful sentence in the whole article is "Some say restaurants have grown faster than demand, causing a glut of competition" then if you did manage to somehow get hired they'd probably only give you 15 hours a week and then send you home 5 hours early after coming in for your 8 hour shift <cite>CharlesBronson posted [p:900794199] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>lol what labor shortage? that article is a load of horse shit if you applied for a fas food job they probablt wouldn't even call you for an interview the reason there are half as many fast food workers is because of AUTOMATION the only truthful sentence in the whole article is "Some say restaurants have grown faster than demand, causing a glut of competition" then if you did manage to somehow get hired they'd probably only give you 15 hours a week and then send you home 5 hours early after coming in for your 8 hour shift</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
orangefire25 05/04/18 1:51:11 PM #22:	People are realizing that it's not quite worth the 8-9 bucks an hour to deal with heat, non stop busy shifts, crap management (most fast food will promote anyone with interest, worthy or not) and degradation from customers. The current fast food model does not work. --- Wubba Lubba Dub Dub <cite>orangefire25 posted [p:900794231] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>People are realizing that it's not quite worth the 8-9 bucks an hour to deal with heat, non stop busy shifts, crap management (most fast food will promote anyone with interest, worthy or not) and degradation from customers. The current fast food model does not work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 05/04/18 1:52:22 PM #23:	Any business that relies on understaffing and paying their employees horribly probably doesn't deserve to be in business. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:900794293] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>Any business that relies on understaffing and paying their employees horribly probably doesn't deserve to be in business.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 05/04/18 1:54:02 PM #24:	They don't hire teenagers because teenagers are protected by inconvenient labor laws and have rights college age kids in the workforce do not. And this isn't just a fast food thing. I personally experienced the most of this in retail, but there are echoes of this across the entirety of unskilled work in the US. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:900794370] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>They don't hire teenagers because teenagers are protected by inconvenient labor laws and have rights college age kids in the workforce do not. And this isn't just a fast food thing. I personally experienced the most of this in retail, but there are echoes of this across the entirety of unskilled work in the US.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 05/04/18 1:54:19 PM #25:	BLAKUboy posted... They'd probably rather go out of business. It's the same thing when you get all these different companies bitching about "young people" today. Cable companies, shitty restaurants like Applebees, car companies, etc. Always all complain that young people aren't flocking to them like previous generations did. I'm not sure why I should feel bad for them or why they think young people should go to them (in this case for employment) if they're not willing to do anything to update or actively attract them --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:900794381] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote>They'd probably rather go out of business. </quote> It's the same thing when you get all these different companies bitching about "young people" today. Cable companies, shitty restaurants like Applebees, car companies, etc. Always all complain that young people aren't flocking to them like previous generations did. I'm not sure why I should feel bad for them or why they think young people should go to them (in this case for employment) if they're not willing to do anything to update or actively attract them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 05/04/18 1:54:42 PM #26:	They pay ass then angry no one wants the job. With no employees you can pay more asshole. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:900794393] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>They pay ass then angry no one wants the job. With no employees you can pay more asshole.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/04/18 2:06:26 PM #27:	CharlesBronson posted... lol what labor shortage? that article is a load of horse shit if you applied for a fas food job they probablt wouldn't even call you for an interview the reason there are half as many fast food workers is because of AUTOMATION Alternatively, the article is based on facts that differ from your prior assumptions about how things work In 2000, about 45 percent of those between 16 and 19 had a job today its 30 percent. hollow_shrine posted... They don't hire teenagers because teenagers are protected by inconvenient labor laws and have rights college age kids in the workforce do not. Are these new within the past 18 years? I'm skeptical. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:900795005] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>CharlesBronson posted...</cite> <quote>lol what labor shortage? that article is a load of horse shit if you applied for a fas food job they probablt wouldn't even call you for an interview the reason there are half as many fast food workers is because of AUTOMATION</quote> Alternatively, the article is based on facts that differ from your prior assumptions about how things work <quote>In 2000, about 45 percent of those between 16 and 19 had a job today its 30 percent.</quote> <cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>They don't hire teenagers because teenagers are protected by inconvenient labor laws and have rights college age kids in the workforce do not. </quote> Are these new within the past 18 years? I'm skeptical.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/04/18 2:09:17 PM #28:	Antifar posted... In 2000, about 45 percent of those between 16 and 19 had a job today its 30 percent. I don't think Xbox Live starting in 2002 is mere coincidence here. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:900795159] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><quote>In 2000, about 45 percent of those between 16 and 19 had a job today its 30 percent.</quote></quote> I don't think Xbox Live starting in 2002 is mere coincidence here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 05/04/18 2:12:47 PM #29:	Antifar posted... Are these new within the past 18 years? I'm skeptical. The laws aren't, but the hiring practices, like cutting full time jobs for more half time jobs for fewer benefits, and then cutting jobs and just rolling their duties into the remaining positions to maximize short term profits, and then never hiring the replacements, stuff like that has really been ramping up since the nineties. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:900795362] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Are these new within the past 18 years? I'm skeptical.</quote> The laws aren't, but the hiring practices, like cutting full time jobs for more half time jobs for fewer benefits, and then cutting jobs and just rolling their duties into the remaining positions to maximize short term profits, and then never hiring the replacements, stuff like that has really been ramping up since the nineties.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 05/04/18 2:14:54 PM #30:	This is a good thing. Teens are wanting better jobs, better pay, or even starting their own businesses. Fast Food is a relic of the past, and needs to be automated. --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson i.imgur.com/a2EzoIs.gif i.imgur.com/rPcGRiP.gif <cite>HylianFox posted [p:900795493] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>This is a good thing. Teens are wanting better jobs, better pay, or even starting their own businesses. Fast Food is a relic of the past, and needs to be automated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 05/04/18 2:17:38 PM #31:	HylianFox posted... Teens are wanting better jobs, better pay, or even starting their own businesses. Fast Food is a relic of the past, and needs to be automated. Yeah. Teens don't wanna work there and are finding better jobs, I don't wanna interact with teens. Seems like a win win to me. Hell, I got some McDonalds the other day and because of the automation and shit, I didn't have to interact with a single teenager. It was fucking spectacular. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:900795626] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>HylianFox posted...</cite> <quote>Teens are wanting better jobs, better pay, or even starting their own businesses. Fast Food is a relic of the past, and needs to be automated.</quote> Yeah. Teens don't wanna work there and are finding better jobs, I don't wanna interact with teens. Seems like a win win to me. Hell, I got some McDonalds the other day and because of the automation and shit, I didn't have to interact with a single teenager. It was fucking spectacular.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 05/04/18 2:18:10 PM #32:	twitterfriends posted... They pay shit. This. "Has tried everything" likely doesn't include enough money to make it viable. I know in some areas where there's a labour shortage at places paying $30~ per hour, those places either pay $20+ or close down. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:900795651] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>twitterfriends posted...</cite> <quote>They pay shit.</quote> This. "Has tried everything" likely doesn't include enough money to make it viable. I know in some areas where there's a labour shortage at places paying $30~ per hour, those places either pay $20+ or close down.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 05/04/18 2:40:26 PM #33:	i dont think it has to do with pay, because even if you're making $8 an hour it's a massive increase from making nothing, and in the case of teenagers they are probably fully supported by their parents and any cash they make at a summer job is entirely disposable income. if i had to guess i'd say it's a mix of kids being focused on college who'd rather study/do school activities than work, the stigma of working at fast food places (McJobs), and the fact that even though we complain about shit on CE all the time, there is a lot more free entertainment available than ever before, so the idea of a teen working for spending money isn't so lucrative. why spend 3 days a week after school working at the drive thru when you have unlimited entertainment on your phone, free video games like fortnite, etc --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:900796807] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>i dont think it has to do with pay, because even if you're making $8 an hour it's a massive increase from making nothing, and in the case of teenagers they are probably fully supported by their parents and any cash they make at a summer job is entirely disposable income. if i had to guess i'd say it's a mix of kids being focused on college who'd rather study/do school activities than work, the stigma of working at fast food places (McJobs), and the fact that even though we complain about shit on CE all the time, there is a lot more free entertainment available than ever before, so the idea of a teen working for spending money isn't so lucrative. why spend 3 days a week after school working at the drive thru when you have unlimited entertainment on your phone, free video games like fortnite, etc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 05/04/18 2:42:20 PM #34:	They're going to be automated soon anyway --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:900796898] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>They're going to be automated soon anyway</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/04/18 2:56:27 PM #35:	TheCyborgNinja posted... twitterfriends posted... They pay shit. This. "Has tried everything" likely doesn't include enough money to make it viable. I know in some areas where there's a labour shortage at places paying $30~ per hour, those places either pay $20+ or close down. Fast food restaurants literally can't afford it. The McDonald's franchise I last worked for upped their starting wage to $10.50. Across their 12 stores this cost an extra $4 million per year. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:900797599] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote><cite>twitterfriends posted...</cite> <quote>They pay shit.</quote> This. "Has tried everything" likely doesn't include enough money to make it viable. I know in some areas where there's a labour shortage at places paying $30~ per hour, those places either pay $20+ or close down.</quote> Fast food restaurants literally can't afford it. The McDonald's franchise I last worked for upped their starting wage to $10.50. Across their 12 stores this cost an extra $4 million per year.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/04/18 2:59:08 PM #36:	Giant_Aspirin posted... darkjedilink posted... myzz7 posted... places in my town still pay $7.25 an hour for fast food jobs with a straight face. maybe if its not your first job and your out of high school, you'll get $8. compare that to someplace like Boston which won't pay below $11 an hour. why fucking bother. go online, stream, get some donations and pull in a couple hundred bucks a month at minimum. whether its making lets plays or writing fanfics or drawing - the gig economy through only online work is thriving - then theres crypto-currencies and shit and doing gig work for making apps. i mean, why fucking bother working at ur local run-down burger king for bad hours and bad pay. Guess how much more a Whopper is in Boston... why don't you tell us? how much of that increase in price is directly attributed to higher wages vs other cost increases like higher rent/mortgage, etc? Payroll is the largest controllable cost of business for a restaurant. Period. The majority of the price difference absolutely is payroll. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:900797732] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>myzz7 posted...</cite> <quote>places in my town still pay $7.25 an hour for fast food jobs with a straight face. maybe if its not your first job and your out of high school, you'll get $8. compare that to someplace like Boston which won't pay below $11 an hour. why fucking bother. go online, stream, get some donations and pull in a couple hundred bucks a month at minimum. whether its making lets plays or writing fanfics or drawing - the gig economy through only online work is thriving - then theres crypto-currencies and shit and doing gig work for making apps. i mean, why fucking bother working at ur local run-down burger king for bad hours and bad pay.</quote> Guess how much more a Whopper is in Boston...</quote> why don't you tell us? how much of that increase in price is directly attributed to higher wages vs other cost increases like higher rent/mortgage, etc?</quote> Payroll is the largest controllable cost of business for a restaurant. Period. The majority of the price difference absolutely is payroll.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 05/04/18 2:59:22 PM #37:	darkjedilink posted... Fast food restaurants literally can't afford it. pfffft I have a hard time buying that lol --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:900797742] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Fast food restaurants literally can't afford it.</quote> pfffft I have a hard time buying that lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 05/04/18 3:01:59 PM #38:	darkjedilink posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... darkjedilink posted... myzz7 posted... places in my town still pay $7.25 an hour for fast food jobs with a straight face. maybe if its not your first job and your out of high school, you'll get $8. compare that to someplace like Boston which won't pay below $11 an hour. why fucking bother. go online, stream, get some donations and pull in a couple hundred bucks a month at minimum. whether its making lets plays or writing fanfics or drawing - the gig economy through only online work is thriving - then theres crypto-currencies and shit and doing gig work for making apps. i mean, why fucking bother working at ur local run-down burger king for bad hours and bad pay. Guess how much more a Whopper is in Boston... why don't you tell us? how much of that increase in price is directly attributed to higher wages vs other cost increases like higher rent/mortgage, etc? Payroll is the largest controllable cost of business for a restaurant. Period. The majority of the price difference absolutely is payroll. 1) the prices can be higher for reasons the business can't control, like the higher rents in Boston than Ouchita 2) you still didn't say what the difference in price is? --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:900797876] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>myzz7 posted...</cite> <quote>places in my town still pay $7.25 an hour for fast food jobs with a straight face. maybe if its not your first job and your out of high school, you'll get $8. compare that to someplace like Boston which won't pay below $11 an hour. why fucking bother. go online, stream, get some donations and pull in a couple hundred bucks a month at minimum. whether its making lets plays or writing fanfics or drawing - the gig economy through only online work is thriving - then theres crypto-currencies and shit and doing gig work for making apps. i mean, why fucking bother working at ur local run-down burger king for bad hours and bad pay.</quote> Guess how much more a Whopper is in Boston...</quote> why don't you tell us? how much of that increase in price is directly attributed to higher wages vs other cost increases like higher rent/mortgage, etc?</quote> Payroll is the largest controllable cost of business for a restaurant. Period. The majority of the price difference absolutely is payroll.</quote> 1) the prices can be higher for reasons the business can't control, like the higher rents in Boston than Ouchita 2) you still didn't say what the difference in price is?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patchwork 05/04/18 3:03:02 PM #39:	Fast food is a shit show, but when I was a teenager I worked at Arby's and it was probably one of the most entertaining jobs I ever had. They unknowingly hired most of my friends and worked us all together, and the young attractive manager working her way through college made the schedule. So, she'd schedule us all with her. And then I started banging her, and she did all my work for me. It was glorious. She also funded my underage drinking and protected me from getting fired when I fought two kids in the parking lot. Teens are missing out on having a shit job you don't care about or really need. --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. <cite>Patchwork posted [p:900797908] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>Fast food is a shit show, but when I was a teenager I worked at Arby's and it was probably one of the most entertaining jobs I ever had. They unknowingly hired most of my friends and worked us all together, and the young attractive manager working her way through college made the schedule. So, she'd schedule us all with her. And then I started banging her, and she did all my work for me. It was glorious. She also funded my underage drinking and protected me from getting fired when I fought two kids in the parking lot. Teens are missing out on having a shit job you don't care about or really need.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 05/04/18 3:04:52 PM #40:	"Waaaah!!! Why won't teenagers work for poverty wages to pay for my lifestyle" --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:900797999] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>"Waaaah!!! Why won't teenagers work for poverty wages to pay for my lifestyle"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MACisBack 05/04/18 3:04:52 PM #41:	Patchwork posted... Fast food is a shit show, but when I was a teenager I worked at Arby's and it was probably one of the most entertaining jobs I ever had. They unknowingly hired most of my friends and worked us all together, and the young attractive manager working her way through college made the schedule. So, she'd schedule us all with her. And then I started banging her, and she did all my work for me. It was glorious. She also funded my underage drinking and protected me from getting fired when I fought two kids in the parking lot. Teens are missing out on having a shit job you don't care about or really need. This man gets it. --- "There is wife assisted suicide. Get married and every day you die a little more" -teltec http://i.imgur.com/8snn2TX.jpg <cite>MACisBack posted [p:900798000] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>Patchwork posted...</cite> <quote>Fast food is a shit show, but when I was a teenager I worked at Arby's and it was probably one of the most entertaining jobs I ever had. They unknowingly hired most of my friends and worked us all together, and the young attractive manager working her way through college made the schedule. So, she'd schedule us all with her. And then I started banging her, and she did all my work for me. It was glorious. She also funded my underage drinking and protected me from getting fired when I fought two kids in the parking lot. Teens are missing out on having a shit job you don't care about or really need.</quote> This man gets it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 05/04/18 3:07:24 PM #42:	They still work retail. Many are just leaving or avoiding fast food because it sounds like a terrible job. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:900798114] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>They still work retail. Many are just leaving or avoiding fast food because it sounds like a terrible job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
orangefire25 05/04/18 3:10:22 PM #43:	It's true that raising wages a couple bucks hits franchisees hard, but only because they can't raise prices of food, customers would flip out. Every time the mcdouble goes up a dime people literally lose it. I had a guy wanna fight me in the drive through when it went from 1.07 to 1.19. That's an extreme case but there have been hundreds of customers complain about our prices even though they are low as fuck --- Wubba Lubba Dub Dub <cite>orangefire25 posted [p:900798274] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>It's true that raising wages a couple bucks hits franchisees hard, but only because they can't raise prices of food, customers would flip out. Every time the mcdouble goes up a dime people literally lose it. I had a guy wanna fight me in the drive through when it went from 1.07 to 1.19. That's an extreme case but there have been hundreds of customers complain about our prices even though they are low as fuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoubleDare 05/04/18 3:17:53 PM #44:	The last girl I dated worked at a Wendy's, she was 25. Sounded like the absolute worst place to work, literally a supermarket is even better to work at just for the fact theyv usually give breaks and have a break room, Wendy's don't even give breaks or care. --- On Your Mark...Get Set........GO!!!!!! <cite>DoubleDare posted [p:900798666] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>The last girl I dated worked at a Wendy's, she was 25. Sounded like the absolute worst place to work, literally a supermarket is even better to work at just for the fact theyv usually give breaks and have a break room, Wendy's don't even give breaks or care.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 05/04/18 3:20:18 PM #45:	DoubleDare posted... , literally a supermarket is even better to work at j i stocked shelves in a grocery store for ~8 years during school. wasn't a bad gig at all. --- Playing: Superhot (PC) *(~);} - It seems like all this life was just a dream - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:900798778] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoubleDare posted...</cite> <quote>, literally a supermarket is even better to work at j</quote> i stocked shelves in a grocery store for ~8 years during school. wasn't a bad gig at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eggcorn 05/04/18 3:21:19 PM #46:	Were_Wyrm posted... Why get a job when I can sponge off my baby boomer parents while blaming them for all of my problems? --- Warning: This post may contain triggering or distressing content. <cite>eggcorn posted [p:900798819] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>Were_Wyrm posted...</cite> <quote>Why get a job when I can sponge off my baby boomer parents while blaming them for all of my problems?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoubleDare 05/04/18 3:22:08 PM #47:	orangefire25 posted... It's true that raising wages a couple bucks hits franchisees hard, but only because they can't raise prices of food, customers would flip out. Every time the mcdouble goes up a dime people literally lose it. I had a guy wanna fight me in the drive through when it went from 1.07 to 1.19. That's an extreme case but there have been hundreds of customers complain about our prices even though they are low as fuck Because the McDouble is an even cheaper version of the double cheeseburger, that shit should only be a buck. The McChicken is still a buck! --- On Your Mark...Get Set........GO!!!!!! <cite>DoubleDare posted [p:900798855] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>orangefire25 posted...</cite> <quote>It's true that raising wages a couple bucks hits franchisees hard, but only because they can't raise prices of food, customers would flip out. Every time the mcdouble goes up a dime people literally lose it. I had a guy wanna fight me in the drive through when it went from 1.07 to 1.19. That's an extreme case but there have been hundreds of customers complain about our prices even though they are low as fuck</quote> Because the McDouble is an even cheaper version of the double cheeseburger, that shit should only be a buck. The McChicken is still a buck!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
orangefire25 05/04/18 3:23:19 PM #48:	It's a buck because of the current promotion and the patty costs 18 cents to buy. I know, I order them. --- Wubba Lubba Dub Dub <cite>orangefire25 posted [p:900798900] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>It's a buck because of the current promotion and the patty costs 18 cents to buy. I know, I order them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zanzenburger 05/04/18 3:35:32 PM #49:	As a business owner, the biggest struggle I face is that high school students are too busy with their extra-curriculars. Sports, band practice, drama club, junior leadership, tumbling, FFA, FBLA, volunteering, youth groups, etc. It all takes up their time because their parents say they need it for college. For me, the best thing I can do is increase my retention so I don't have to look for employees as much. I only pay $8 an hour at my laser tag place, but I am super flexible with work hours and time off, and what they can do while they are there. If it's slow, they can play laser tag, sing karaoke, make themselves some food, whatever. They get Christmas bonuses and pretty much dictate the hours they want to work. But when it gets busy, they are expected to give it their all. Mediocrity is not tolerated. It's worked out pretty well and I've had the same employees for 3 years work all their way through high school/college. My assistant manager is a senior in high school and he's better than most managers I've worked with. --- Congratulations! Your post was deemed response-worthy. <cite>Zanzenburger posted [p:900799430] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote>As a business owner, the biggest struggle I face is that high school students are too busy with their extra-curriculars. Sports, band practice, drama club, junior leadership, tumbling, FFA, FBLA, volunteering, youth groups, etc. It all takes up their time because their parents say they need it for college. For me, the best thing I can do is increase my retention so I don't have to look for employees as much. I only pay $8 an hour at my laser tag place, but I am super flexible with work hours and time off, and what they can do while they are there. If it's slow, they can play laser tag, sing karaoke, make themselves some food, whatever. They get Christmas bonuses and pretty much dictate the hours they want to work. But when it gets busy, they are expected to give it their all. Mediocrity is not tolerated. It's worked out pretty well and I've had the same employees for 3 years work all their way through high school/college. My assistant manager is a senior in high school and he's better than most managers I've worked with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoubleDare 05/04/18 3:37:53 PM #50:	orangefire25 posted... It's a buck because of the current promotion and the patty costs 18 cents to buy. I know, I order them. How much are mcchicken patties? --- On Your Mark...Get Set........GO!!!!!! <cite>DoubleDare posted [p:900799544] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>orangefire25 posted...</cite> <quote>It's a buck because of the current promotion and the patty costs 18 cents to buy. I know, I order them.</quote> How much are mcchicken patties?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/04/18 3:40:01 PM #51:	Zanzenburger posted... As a business owner, the biggest struggle I face is that high school students are too busy with their extra-curriculars. Sports, band practice, drama club, junior leadership, tumbling, FFA, FBLA, volunteering, youth groups, etc. It all takes up their time because their parents say they need it for college. Which, of course, does not mix well at all with the ongoing 'just-in-time scheduling' trend in fast food and retail. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:900799638] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote>As a business owner, the biggest struggle I face is that high school students are too busy with their extra-curriculars. Sports, band practice, drama club, junior leadership, tumbling, FFA, FBLA, volunteering, youth groups, etc. It all takes up their time because their parents say they need it for college.</quote> Which, of course, does not mix well at all with the ongoing 'just-in-time scheduling' trend in fast food and retail.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/04/18 3:45:30 PM #52:	Doom_Art posted... darkjedilink posted... Fast food restaurants literally can't afford it. pfffft I have a hard time buying that lol How much money do you think restaurants make? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:900799868] in A Fast-Foo... [t:76578239]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Fast food restaurants literally can't afford it.</quote> pfffft I have a hard time buying that lol</quote> How much money do you think restaurants make?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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