Current Events > Trump endorses congressional term limits

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Is this about Jon Tester?
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urgh
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Excellent! President @realDonaldTrump is wasting no time in #DrainingTheSwamp.
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Conceptually I don't disagree with the idea of term limits, but I also don't like the idea of a government perpetually run by people in their 30/40s. I'm sure there's a nuanced, meaningful solution in there somewhere, but I have no confidence in congress' ability to find or implement it.
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s0nicfan posted...

but I have no confidence in congress' ability to find or implement it.

hence the term limits
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God damn lobbying is gonna be strong

I'm worried, giving these guys term limits could backfire and instead of having some hope of maybe they'll actually do what's right for the country instead of their backers, they'll now be 100 percent dedicated to accomplishing their backers demands then bounce for the next stooge to do the same for their backers with absolutely no hope whatsoever of real actual governing getting down, just people paying for their turn to fuck up the law for those juicy profits and donations and that's a problem with the system as a whole, we're stuck with either maybe they'll do the right thing or 100 percent they won't do the right thing. How do you even go about changing a rigged system like that where corporations are far more important and influential than the citizens the politicians are pretending to sell themselves,too?
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s0nicfan posted...

Conceptually I don't disagree with the idea of term limits, but I also don't like the idea of a government perpetually run by people in their 30/40s. I'm sure there's a nuanced, meaningful solution in there somewhere, but I have no confidence in congress' ability to find or implement it.

Wait why the fuck not? Even well-intentioned politicians become corrupt if they stay in power too long.
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It won't happen. Liberals are so into being anti-term limits, that they've managed to convince themselves that term limits are racist.

http://cawp.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/resources/termlimitsdiversity_0.pdf

http://prospect.org/article/populist-road-hell-term-limits-california

http://www.governing.com/topics/politics/gov-why-term-limits-dont-help-women-gain-ground-politics.html

You see, we can't have term limits, because all those women and minorities are statistically going to be replaced with white men, and we can't have white men in government for some reason.
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Boo democracy

This dude is full of bad ideas
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Wait hes still spouting that drain the swamp shit? Lol

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darkjedilink posted...

Liberals

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Sounds fine to me. Take Pelosi for instance. It's obvious she suffers from Alzheimer's. She's been there since 1993
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darkjedilink posted...

It won't happen. Liberals are so into being anti-term limits, that they've managed to convince themselves that term limits are racist.

http://cawp.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/resources/termlimitsdiversity_0.pdf

http://prospect.org/article/populist-road-hell-term-limits-california

http://www.governing.com/topics/politics/gov-why-term-limits-dont-help-women-gain-ground-politics.html

You see, we can't have term limits, because all those women and minorities are statistically going to be replaced with white men, and we can't have white men in government for some reason.

Because there are plenty of them in government as it is? They are still the vast majority of government officials in this reality anyway.

That said I am in favor of term limits.
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Term limits are good, but they're a bandaid on cancer so long as the bribery of elected officials legalized by Citizens United v FEC remains law, this will accomplish very little. The real enemy of democracy isn't just the political aristocracy, but the moneyed interests who pull their strings.
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I have never been more in favor of anything politically than term limits for every elected position.
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s0nicfan posted...

Conceptually I don't disagree with the idea of term limits, but I also don't like the idea of a government perpetually run by people in their 30/40s.

People of all ages can become congressmen and senators. It's not exclusively going to be 30s/40s anyway. However, it does mean that a guy in his 60s hasn't held that seat since his 20s (if congress) or 30s

lilORANG posted...

Boo democracy

This dude is full of bad ideas

There's nothing undemocratic about term limits. In fact, a lack of term limits stagnates democracies.
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I'm on board. Go trump.
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how could this affect lobbying?
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Term limits plz
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Need limits for judges too
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darkjedilink posted...

Liberals

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Zeus posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Conceptually I don't disagree with the idea of term limits, but I also don't like the idea of a government perpetually run by people in their 30/40s.

People of all ages can become congressmen and senators. It's not exclusively going to be 30s/40s anyway. However, it does mean that a guy in his 60s hasn't held that seat since his 20s (if congress) or 30s

lilORANG posted...

Boo democracy

This dude is full of bad ideas

There's nothing undemocratic about term limits. In fact, a lack of term limits stagnates democracies.

The first part is just patently false, even if you believe the second part. Youre putting restrictions on who may be elected, and taking choice away from voters.

And career politicians are more valuable than relative unknowns who are dependent on corporate masters to get elected. Plus they have experience and actually know what they're doing. Constantly replacing them will just slow down the system more as people unfamiliar with the rules try to govern. It's idiotic on all fronts. The fact that it's coming from Trump should be enough to signal that.
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Hell yeah they need term limits.
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Decrease the power that lobbyists have over Congress and then we can discuss term limits. As long as they have power then getting career politicians out will do little to help.
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There's value in having people who understand the procedures of things, which comes by experience.
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Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

how could this affect lobbying?

freshman lawmakers are more dependent on lobbyists to explain/help craft legislation than veterans

imo this is nowhere near as important as killing gerrymandering as a practice. that would resolve term limits on its own; an ineffectual lawmaker cannot coast if his election is always reasonably competitive.
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I unironically want term limits for congress >_>
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Schwarber posted...

Wait hes still spouting that drain the swamp shit? Lol

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darkjedilink posted...

Liberals

Bear in mind that that user blames Obama for his wife leaving him.

Yeah...
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Schwarber posted...

Wait hes still spouting that drain the swamp shit? Lol

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darkjedilink posted...

Liberals

Bear in mind that that user blames Obama for his wife leaving him.

Yeah...

The fact that CElibs actually believe this tells me all I need to know about them.
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NeonOctopus posted...

I unironically want term limits for congress >_>

Basically term limits would mean we have more lobbyists controlling congress because there wouldn't be any life-long congressmen. Not to mention that if the term limits were low, we would have a revolving door of legislators who would be less savvy and increasingly dependent on career aides who are not elected by us.

Of course you could have the term limit be something like 5 for senators, 10 for representatives so they could have a 20-30 year long career, but at that point it just seems a little bit arbitrary that we're targeting a minority and seems to be supported just to say "we have term limits"

The better thing to do is analyze why you want term limits and then consider the effects of gerrymandering and super PACs and see if removing them would fix the issue. Term limits for congress just seem like an easy fix that wouldn't really help

This isn't new. This is something he campaigned on.
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Term limits are important. This is actually helpful, to his credit.
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At lower levels, one impact of term limits is that legislator sponsor high-profile or controversial legislation, not with the intention of passing it, but to garner attention from the backers they would need for a run for higher office once they're term limited out. Ohio's recent dumb bill about abortion being one example.
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The mental gymnastics ITT to make term limits sound like a bad idea is astonishing even beyond CEs typical rhetoric.
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KarmaMuffin posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

I unironically want term limits for congress >_>

Basically term limits would mean we have more lobbyists controlling congress because there wouldn't be any life-long congressmen. Not to mention that if the term limits were low, we would have a revolving door of legislators who would be less savvy and increasingly dependent on career aides who are not elected by us.

Of course you could have the term limit be something like 5 for senators, 10 for representatives so they could have a 20-30 year long career, but at that point it just seems a little bit arbitrary that we're targeting a minority and seems to be supported just to say "we have term limits"

The better thing to do is analyze why you want term limits and then consider the effects of gerrymandering and super PACs and see if removing them would fix the issue. Term limits for congress just seem like an easy fix that wouldn't really help

it'd also potentially deter new challengers, who might want to wait until the someone's limit is up so they can run against nameless challengers instead of an incumbent.
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0atmealcreampie posted...

The mental gymnastics ITT to make term limits sound like a bad idea astonishing even beyond CEs typical rhetoric.

Imagine if you addressed the comments and provided rebuttals.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

0atmealcreampie posted...

The mental gymnastics ITT to make term limits sound like a bad idea astonishing even beyond CEs typical rhetoric.

Imagine if you addressed the comments and provided rebuttals.

Term limits means no career politicians. Pretty much the way it is supposed to be.

Imagine not being able to understand that simple concept.
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He ran on that. He has fulfilled, or at least tried, every single promise he made during his campaign.
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0atmealcreampie posted...

Term limits means no career politicians. Pretty much the way it is supposed to be.

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hmmmmm. meaningless normative statement contradicted by history coming from a newbie.

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