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tennisdude818
04/30/18 1:07:39 PM
#51:


Cultural appropriation is one of those things that is only bad when white people do it. Basically, when people accuse you of cultural appropriation its a sign that the accuser has a problem with white people.
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apocalyptic_4
04/30/18 1:09:35 PM
#52:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Cultural appropriation isn't simply enjoying things from another culture. It's when you:

a) Exploit aspects of this culture for personal gain without respect for the people who are actually apart of it

or

b) Present said culture in a stereotypical, mocking and inauthentic way.

EDIT: There's also c) taking someone's culture and claiming that it's your's


Exactly.

Yet people ignore this and complain it's liberal SJW propaganda
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TheVipaGTS
04/30/18 1:10:21 PM
#53:


Zodd3224 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
My question is, why is what she did considered a negative?

She used a different culture for her own gain, acted like she was a part of it, then when she got bored with it just threw it away.


This sounds like such a ridiculous thing to be upset about. She can behave anyway she wants. Who owns the culture she appropriated? Are there certain gatekeepers of the culture she has to ask permission from before she can behave a certain way?

Sure she can behave how she wants but i think its fair to be upset about how she did it. she was a caricature of the culture. She didn't respect it. she just used it. on the flip side there is someone like Justin Timberlake who embraced the same culture with respect and was actually able to become a part of it.
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Zodd3224
04/30/18 1:12:43 PM
#54:


apocalyptic_4 posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Cultural appropriation isn't simply enjoying things from another culture. It's when you:

a) Exploit aspects of this culture for personal gain without respect for the people who are actually apart of it

or

b) Present said culture in a stereotypical, mocking and inauthentic way.

EDIT: There's also c) taking someone's culture and claiming that it's your's


Exactly.

Yet people ignore this and complain it's liberal SJW propaganda


No, getting upset about anything he posted is also being a whiney SJW. Getting offended over made up nonsense. No one owns certain cultural aspects, people can like, create, or use what they want regardless of their background.
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Infinite 2003
04/30/18 1:13:01 PM
#55:


TheVipaGTS posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
My question is, why is what she did considered a negative?

She used a different culture for her own gain, acted like she was a part of it, then when she got bored with it just threw it away.


This sounds like such a ridiculous thing to be upset about. She can behave anyway she wants. Who owns the culture she appropriated? Are there certain gatekeepers of the culture she has to ask permission from before she can behave a certain way?

Sure she can behave how she wants but i think its fair to be upset about how she did it. she was a caricature of the culture. She didn't respect it. she just used it. on the flip side there is someone like Justin Timberlake who embraced the same culture with respect and was actually able to become a part of it.


You have to understand how utterly petty this sounds.
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Zodd3224
04/30/18 1:14:57 PM
#56:


TheVipaGTS posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
My question is, why is what she did considered a negative?

She used a different culture for her own gain, acted like she was a part of it, then when she got bored with it just threw it away.


This sounds like such a ridiculous thing to be upset about. She can behave anyway she wants. Who owns the culture she appropriated? Are there certain gatekeepers of the culture she has to ask permission from before she can behave a certain way?

Sure she can behave how she wants but i think its fair to be upset about how she did it. she was a caricature of the culture. She didn't respect it. she just used it. on the flip side there is someone like Justin Timberlake who embraced the same culture with respect and was actually able to become a part of it.


She doesnt owe anyone anything. She doesnt have to "pay respects" to anyone. If I bothered being offfended by nonsense like this I would be more offended if white people felt the need to seek my approval before doing something "black."
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i_eat_the_booty
04/30/18 1:17:53 PM
#57:


Infinite 2003 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
My question is, why is what she did considered a negative?

She used a different culture for her own gain, acted like she was a part of it, then when she got bored with it just threw it away.


This sounds like such a ridiculous thing to be upset about. She can behave anyway she wants. Who owns the culture she appropriated? Are there certain gatekeepers of the culture she has to ask permission from before she can behave a certain way?

Sure she can behave how she wants but i think its fair to be upset about how she did it. she was a caricature of the culture. She didn't respect it. she just used it. on the flip side there is someone like Justin Timberlake who embraced the same culture with respect and was actually able to become a part of it.


You have to understand how utterly petty this sounds.


It doesn't sound petty at all lol.
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Zodd3224
04/30/18 1:19:12 PM
#58:


i_eat_the_booty posted...
Infinite 2003 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
My question is, why is what she did considered a negative?

She used a different culture for her own gain, acted like she was a part of it, then when she got bored with it just threw it away.


This sounds like such a ridiculous thing to be upset about. She can behave anyway she wants. Who owns the culture she appropriated? Are there certain gatekeepers of the culture she has to ask permission from before she can behave a certain way?

Sure she can behave how she wants but i think its fair to be upset about how she did it. she was a caricature of the culture. She didn't respect it. she just used it. on the flip side there is someone like Justin Timberlake who embraced the same culture with respect and was actually able to become a part of it.


You have to understand how utterly petty this sounds.


It doesn't sound petty at all lol.


It sounds extremely petty
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LJRENEGADE
04/30/18 1:19:55 PM
#59:


apocalyptic_4 posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Cultural appropriation isn't simply enjoying things from another culture. It's when you:

a) Exploit aspects of this culture for personal gain without respect for the people who are actually apart of it

or

b) Present said culture in a stereotypical, mocking and inauthentic way.

EDIT: There's also c) taking someone's culture and claiming that it's your's


Exactly.

Yet people ignore this and complain it's liberal SJW propaganda

To be fair, there's always gonna be people who attack others and call it cultural appropriation for them just simply enjoying things from another culture. Like the whole high school girl in the Chinese dress thing. I sincerely doubt she was trying to mock or disrespect any Chinese people yet there's a lot of people attacking her for that.

Also I have a problem with an individual telling other people what they can and can't do with "their" culture. No one person owns a culture or gets to dictate what other people are allowed to do with it. That's ridiculous.
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Zodd3224
04/30/18 1:26:11 PM
#60:


Its such a needlesly devisive thing. We have enough real race issues and racism to deal with in this world without adding this stuff into the mix for no reason.
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i_eat_the_booty
04/30/18 1:26:25 PM
#61:


It's stupid to mock a culture or pretend you're a part of it when you really don't care about it. Not even remotely petty, it's basic common courtesy and tact

Now it is overblown in some cases. Like that guy who got mad at the girl wearing a Chinese prom dress. That guy was a clown. A lot of people misuse the hell out of 'cultural appropriation'. There shouldn't be anything wrong with enjoying things from another culture but if you can't see what's wrong with how Miley Cyrus was being tactless then idk what to tell you. You're just going to keep saying "petty" over and over because "there are no rules to what you can do" (which is a completely nonsensical argument)
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SpreadManning
04/30/18 1:29:17 PM
#62:


Agreed. Complete nonsense.
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A_Good_Boy
04/30/18 1:29:37 PM
#63:


Zodd3224 posted...
Its such a needlesly devisive thing. We have enough real race issues and racism to deal with in this world without adding this stuff into the mix for no reason.

You're the only one that's hyperventilating in an otherwise calm discussion.
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cjsdowg
04/30/18 1:31:48 PM
#64:


Fallacia posted...
The idea of cultural appropriation as a negative is less about white people adopting things and more about white people being considered stylish or bold for adopting something while people of color are seen as thuggish or unprofessional for the same styles.

I would agree that anyone complaining about cultural appropriation simply because someone is using a style needs to chill a bit and stop blaming the people who are adopting that fashion, but the idea that society rewards or labels people differently is one that is definitely true. It's the double standard that is the real issue.


Basically this; are there people who yell it at everything..yeah. But that is not what most people mean when you say this. Also to add to this act like someone was founded by white people when others did it before. Like discounting the black singers who came before Elvis.
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Zodd3224
04/30/18 1:34:05 PM
#65:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Its such a needlesly devisive thing. We have enough real race issues and racism to deal with in this world without adding this stuff into the mix for no reason.

You're the only one that's hyperventilating in an otherwise calm discussion.


Yeah, my blood pressure is through the roof atm
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Anteaterking
04/30/18 1:45:00 PM
#66:


tennisdude818 posted...
Cultural appropriation is one of those things that is only bad when white people do it. Basically, when people accuse you of cultural appropriation its a sign that the accuser has a problem with white people.


In America, the dominant culture is white, so any examples of cultural appropriation here are by definition going to be white people doing it.

Asherlee10 posted...
The unfortunate part is there aren't a lot of great sources for a solid definition which is also contributing to a misuse of the term. The most simple definition I could find (wiki first sentence):

"Cultural appropriation is a concept in sociology dealing with the adoption of the elements of a minority culture by members of the dominant culture."

With that in mind, there is nothing inherently negative about that. When it is negative, the term Cultural Misappropriation seems accurate.


I generally agree that the term is neutral. I just don't think it's wrong for people to use it as a negative, considering that where that line is drawn is highly subjective anyway.
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tennisdude818
04/30/18 1:50:43 PM
#67:


SJWs: She used another culture her own gain and just tossed it away!

If you want to be offended that badly, you could perform the same mental gymnastics if a white person eats Chinese food or watches kung fu.
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Questionmarktarius
04/30/18 1:54:54 PM
#68:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Bad metaphor: What do you think the white American reaction would be if they introduced Jesus Christface Diapers, with big pictures of Jesus on the ass of the diaper?

Something quite similar actually happened:

http://www.sweetjesus4life.com/
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poppinblood
04/30/18 1:55:40 PM
#69:


tennisdude818 posted...
SJWs: She used another culture her own gain and just tossed it away!

If you want to be offended that badly, you could perform the same mental gymnastics if a white person eats Chinese food or watches kung fu.


Jesus Christ. You just dont get it. When you do an essay for research, does your professor penalize you for not citing your sources ?
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Zodd3224
04/30/18 2:00:41 PM
#70:


poppinblood posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
SJWs: She used another culture her own gain and just tossed it away!

If you want to be offended that badly, you could perform the same mental gymnastics if a white person eats Chinese food or watches kung fu.


Jesus Christ. You just dont get it. When you do an essay for research, does your professor penalize you for not citing your sources ?


So anytime anyone creates art or writes a song they have to cite their sources of inspiration?
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southcoast09
04/30/18 2:04:39 PM
#73:


Its just more anti white racism.
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gamepimp12
04/30/18 2:07:49 PM
#74:


tennisdude818 posted...
SJWs: She used another culture her own gain and just tossed it away!

If you want to be offended that badly, you could perform the same mental gymnastics if a white person eats Chinese food or watches kung fu.


It sounds like you guys dont understand it at a core principle.

It isnt cultural apporation without a misuse of property.

People have issues with Miley because what she did was make herself a characterization and stereotype of black culture to sell records, then completely distances herself from it once she was done
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gamepimp12
04/30/18 2:10:02 PM
#75:


southcoast09 posted...
Its just more anti white racism.


For like the third time its only targeted at dominated cultures which happens to white in America.

In another country its very easy for another race to culturally appropriate
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Lorenzo_2003
04/30/18 2:20:15 PM
#76:


Zodd3224 posted...
So anytime anyone creates art or writes a song they have to cite their sources of inspiration?


Yes, if you are white. These guys are trying to dance around it to avoid sounding racist, so theyre using the phrase dominant culture. If it was a white guy enjoying and being inspired by culture in China, Mexico or somewhere he is the minority, theyd still be criticizing him.
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Infinite 2003
04/30/18 2:21:31 PM
#77:


gamepimp12 posted...
southcoast09 posted...
Its just more anti white racism.


For like the third time its only targeted at dominated cultures which happens to white in America.

In another country its very easy for another race to culturally appropriate


It's always excuses like this. Nobody buys it
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Cal12
04/30/18 2:22:34 PM
#78:


gamepimp12 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
SJWs: She used another culture her own gain and just tossed it away!

If you want to be offended that badly, you could perform the same mental gymnastics if a white person eats Chinese food or watches kung fu.


It sounds like you guys dont understand it at a core principle.

It isnt cultural apporation without a misuse of property.

People have issues with Miley because what she did was make herself a characterization and stereotype of black culture to sell records, then completely distances herself from it once she was done


Miley did a little bit of everything to be honest. It was more hyper sexual than anything else. She didnt appropriate anything to be honest.
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Anteaterking
04/30/18 2:34:31 PM
#79:


Asherlee10 posted...

I suppose this is where our opinions differ. I think it is incorrect to use the wrong term to describe something like this. I think there should be more value behind the differences between cultural appropriation vs cultural misappropriation.

One is adoption, the other is malicious.


See, here's where I don't think we can just differ in opinion. I do think it's inaccurate to categorize it as cultural appropriation vs cultural misappropriation. Misappropriation falls under appropriation.

It's like dividing fruit into apples and non-apples and then saying someone calling an orange a fruit is using the wrong term. You've constructed it so that cultural appropriation is by definition neutral or good, because if it's bad then it "isn't" cultural appropriation.
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rballastaker123
04/30/18 2:41:51 PM
#80:


Zodd3224 posted...
poppinblood posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
SJWs: She used another culture her own gain and just tossed it away!

If you want to be offended that badly, you could perform the same mental gymnastics if a white person eats Chinese food or watches kung fu.


Jesus Christ. You just dont get it. When you do an essay for research, does your professor penalize you for not citing your sources ?


So anytime anyone creates art or writes a song they have to cite their sources of inspiration?


Uh yeah? Unless you want to get sued? Especially in the music business.
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Zodd3224
04/30/18 2:43:45 PM
#81:


rballastaker123 posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
poppinblood posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
SJWs: She used another culture her own gain and just tossed it away!

If you want to be offended that badly, you could perform the same mental gymnastics if a white person eats Chinese food or watches kung fu.


Jesus Christ. You just dont get it. When you do an essay for research, does your professor penalize you for not citing your sources ?


So anytime anyone creates art or writes a song they have to cite their sources of inspiration?


Uh yeah? Unless you want to get sued? Especially in the music business.


LoL, that isn't true. Unless are using actual samples or beats from an existing song.
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Aki_Narukami
04/30/18 2:52:34 PM
#84:


sampling is a good thing and should be fully legal with no restrictions
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Anteaterking
04/30/18 2:59:30 PM
#85:


Asherlee10 posted...
I don't think cultural appropriation is an umbrella term that includes cultural misappropriation. I see those as two separate concepts.


There's not a historical or linguistical basis for that. It's not clear why you want things them to be complementary terms when the words you are using imply a different relationship.
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Funbazooka
04/30/18 3:22:47 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
Cultural appropriation is one of those things that is only bad when white people do it. Basically, when people accuse you of cultural appropriation its a sign that the accuser has a problem with white people.

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FLUFFYGERM
04/30/18 3:24:00 PM
#88:


Funbazooka posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Cultural appropriation is one of those things that is only bad when white people do it. Basically, when people accuse you of cultural appropriation its a sign that the accuser has a problem with white people.

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i_eat_the_booty
04/30/18 3:27:32 PM
#89:


gamepimp12 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
SJWs: She used another culture her own gain and just tossed it away!

If you want to be offended that badly, you could perform the same mental gymnastics if a white person eats Chinese food or watches kung fu.


It sounds like you guys dont understand it at a core principle.

It isnt cultural apporation without a misuse of property.

People have issues with Miley because what she did was make herself a characterization and stereotype of black culture to sell records, then completely distances herself from it once she was done


I'm not sure why you guys are entertaining that idiot with a serious response given his first post itt
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rballastaker123
04/30/18 3:36:20 PM
#90:


Zodd3224 posted...
rballastaker123 posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
poppinblood posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
SJWs: She used another culture her own gain and just tossed it away!

If you want to be offended that badly, you could perform the same mental gymnastics if a white person eats Chinese food or watches kung fu.


Jesus Christ. You just dont get it. When you do an essay for research, does your professor penalize you for not citing your sources ?


So anytime anyone creates art or writes a song they have to cite their sources of inspiration?


Uh yeah? Unless you want to get sued? Especially in the music business.


LoL, that isn't true. Unless are using actual samples or beats from an existing song.


Likeness as well

Cardi b had to pay Kodak black for using his flow on her song.
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tennisdude818
04/30/18 3:37:42 PM
#91:


Anteaterking posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Cultural appropriation is one of those things that is only bad when white people do it. Basically, when people accuse you of cultural appropriation its a sign that the accuser has a problem with white people.


In America, the dominant culture is white, so any examples of cultural appropriation here are by definition going to be white people doing it.


I've been to Japan a few times. Thank goodness they don't share that SJW attitude. They borrow from other cultures all the time whether it's a 50's diner, french pastries, various musical genres from the West, etc. It's awesome. Over here we have SJWs who clutch their pearls in horror when a white person tries to sell tacos.

I guess some people just enjoy getting offended.
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Funbazooka
04/30/18 3:42:19 PM
#92:


Misuse of property? Whose property? Property denotes ownership. Culture is not owned. It doesn't stay the same either, it's malleable.

At the end of the day, calling the exchange of ideas, art, styles, traditions, etc. morally wrong is incompatible with any decent set of values that recognize freedom. At that point you've completely lost the plot.
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gamepimp12
04/30/18 4:16:01 PM
#93:


Infinite 2003 posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
southcoast09 posted...
Its just more anti white racism.


For like the third time its only targeted at dominated cultures which happens to white in America.

In another country its very easy for another race to culturally appropriate


It's always excuses like this. Nobody buys it


Its not an excuse if its the definition of the term its not even race bound, it just has to be a bigger culture taking from a smaller ones

Cal12 posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
SJWs: She used another culture her own gain and just tossed it away!

If you want to be offended that badly, you could perform the same mental gymnastics if a white person eats Chinese food or watches kung fu.


It sounds like you guys dont understand it at a core principle.

It isnt cultural apporation without a misuse of property.

People have issues with Miley because what she did was make herself a characterization and stereotype of black culture to sell records, then completely distances herself from it once she was done


Miley did a little bit of everything to be honest. It was more hyper sexual than anything else. She didnt appropriate anything to be honest.


She made multiple songs about rap, weed, sex, diss artist,went to bet awards then rejected all of it and sent several shots about how crude the same kind of hip hop she was just making was.

It was clearly appropriation
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gamepimp12
04/30/18 4:19:41 PM
#94:


Funbazooka posted...
Misuse of property? Whose property? Property denotes ownership. Culture is not owned. It doesn't stay the same either, it's malleable.

At the end of the day, calling the exchange of ideas, art, styles, traditions, etc. morally wrong is incompatible with any decent set of values that recognize freedom. At that point you've completely lost the plot.


Its not an exchange though.
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LJRENEGADE
04/30/18 4:19:42 PM
#95:


gamepimp12 posted...
She made multiple songs about rap, weed, sex, diss artist,went to bet awards then rejected all of it and sent several shots about how crude the same kind of hip hop she was just making was.

Eh, that sounds completely normal for a person her age to be into all that though. You know, except for being a celebrity and musician and all but you know what I mean.
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gamepimp12
04/30/18 4:20:12 PM
#96:


Asherlee10 posted...
Anteaterking posted...
Asherlee10 posted...

I suppose this is where our opinions differ. I think it is incorrect to use the wrong term to describe something like this. I think there should be more value behind the differences between cultural appropriation vs cultural misappropriation.

One is adoption, the other is malicious.


See, here's where I don't think we can just differ in opinion. I do think it's inaccurate to categorize it as cultural appropriation vs cultural misappropriation. Misappropriation falls under appropriation.

It's like dividing fruit into apples and non-apples and then saying someone calling an orange a fruit is using the wrong term. You've constructed it so that cultural appropriation is by definition neutral or good, because if it's bad then it "isn't" cultural appropriation.


But we do differ on opinion. I don't think cultural appropriation is an umbrella term that includes cultural misappropriation. I see those as two separate concepts.


Then youd be wrong
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Zodd3224
04/30/18 4:20:12 PM
#97:


gamepimp12 posted...
Infinite 2003 posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
southcoast09 posted...
Its just more anti white racism.


For like the third time its only targeted at dominated cultures which happens to white in America.

In another country its very easy for another race to culturally appropriate


It's always excuses like this. Nobody buys it


Its not an excuse if its the definition of the term its not even race bound, it just has to be a bigger culture taking from a smaller ones

Cal12 posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
SJWs: She used another culture her own gain and just tossed it away!

If you want to be offended that badly, you could perform the same mental gymnastics if a white person eats Chinese food or watches kung fu.


It sounds like you guys dont understand it at a core principle.

It isnt cultural apporation without a misuse of property.

People have issues with Miley because what she did was make herself a characterization and stereotype of black culture to sell records, then completely distances herself from it once she was done


Miley did a little bit of everything to be honest. It was more hyper sexual than anything else. She didnt appropriate anything to be honest.


She made multiple songs about rap, weed, sex, diss artist,went to bet awards then rejected all of it and sent several shots about how crude the same kind of hip hop she was just making was.

It was clearly appropriation


For the first part:

It doesnt have to be explicitly race bound. A lot of people (including many on this board) use the word thug as replacement for the n word. The word thug isnt explicitly race bound, but it is still often used that way. Cultural appropriation isnt race bound, but lets face it, it is almost exclusively used against white people.

For the second part:

All I see is her either being a hypocrite, or she had a change of heart afterwards. Cultural appropriation isnt the issue here.
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gamepimp12
04/30/18 4:26:01 PM
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LJRENEGADE posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
She made multiple songs about rap, weed, sex, diss artist,went to bet awards then rejected all of it and sent several shots about how crude the same kind of hip hop she was just making was.

Eh, that sounds completely normal for a person her age to be into all that though. You know, except for being a celebrity and musician and all but you know what I mean.


Being into wasnt the problem, the problem was she looked like fucking malibus Most wanted on stage, and the second she was done she turned on it.

This is someone whos on record for not listening to rap upuntill a few years prior
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Zodd3224
04/30/18 4:31:08 PM
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gamepimp12 posted...
LJRENEGADE posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
She made multiple songs about rap, weed, sex, diss artist,went to bet awards then rejected all of it and sent several shots about how crude the same kind of hip hop she was just making was.

Eh, that sounds completely normal for a person her age to be into all that though. You know, except for being a celebrity and musician and all but you know what I mean.


Being into wasnt the problem, the problem was she looked like fucking malibus Most wanted on stage, and the second she was done she turned on it.

This is someone whos on record for not listening to rap upuntill a few years prior


A lot of entertainers adopt personas that arent what they are actually like IRL
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