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Why would it be?
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Depends on what you masturbate to
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Why is religion against stuff that feels good?
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Immoral? No.

But like a lot of things it's probably bad for your mental state if you do it too much.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Why would it be?

wasting seed is a big no no for catholics.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Why would it be?

For the same reason that lust is.
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myzz7 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Why would it be?

wasting seed is a big no no for catholics.

You cannot waste what regenerates easily.
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myzz7 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Why would it be?

wasting seed is a big no no for catholics.

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thecoolgu posted...

myzz7 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Why would it be?

wasting seed is a big no no for catholics.

You cannot waste what regenerates easily.

Catholic orthodoxy objects to waste on principle, also because of its importance to life, semen carries higher significance, almost like spilling blood. They would also object to the indulgence of self pleasure. These things are not exclusive to Catholicism, by the way. Aspects of these restrictions show up in a lot of protestant doctrine too.
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It doesn't cause harm so I don't see how it could be considered immoral.
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Yes. It screws up your sex drive and leaves you feeling empty. Your genitals hurt for day afterwards. People use it as a way to deal with boredom or they do it out of habit. You don't have to do it just because you have hours of alone time.
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Anisoptera posted...

Your genitals hurt for day afterwards.

you might be doing it wrong...
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IloveJesus posted...

It doesn't cause harm so I don't see how it could be considered immoral.

Would you say that negative thoughts like lust, envy, and greed aren't immoral as well?
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Anisoptera posted...

Yes. It screws up your sex drive and leaves you feeling empty. Your genitals hurt for day afterwards.

Bruh...
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i guess it depends on where you derive your morality from.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

IloveJesus posted...

It doesn't cause harm so I don't see how it could be considered immoral.

Would you say that negative thoughts like lust, envy, and greed aren't immoral as well?

idk if those feelings have to be inherently bad.

envy can lead to competition, greed can lead to innovation
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Damn_Underscore posted...

IloveJesus posted...

It doesn't cause harm so I don't see how it could be considered immoral.

Would you say that negative thoughts like lust, envy, and greed aren't immoral as well?

As long as you don't direct them in a way that harms others, yes.
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So you think that something has to harm others to be bad

Well I disagree with you. I don't think masturbation is a big deal at all tho.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

So you think that something has to harm others to be bad

Well I disagree with you.

What do you think makes something immoral?
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I think that bad/evil thoughts are immoral because you poison you.
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Anisoptera posted...

Yes. It screws up your sex drive and leaves you feeling empty. Your genitals hurt for day afterwards. People use it as a way to deal with boredom or they do it out of habit. You don't have to do it just because you have hours of alone time.

Troll post... unless you don't know how to properly stimulate your genitals.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

I think that bad/evil thoughts are immoral because you poison you.

I don't understand. Would you be able to explain a bit more?
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Anisoptera posted...

Yes. It screws up your sex drive and leaves you feeling empty. Your genitals hurt for day afterwards. People use it as a way to deal with boredom or they do it out of habit. You don't have to do it just because you have hours of alone time.

Stop taking "beating" so literally.
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IloveJesus posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

I think that bad/evil thoughts are immoral because you poison you.

I don't understand. Would you be able to explain a bit more?

These thoughts can add up to make you worse as a person, and in that sense they will lead you to do to do things that harm others.

I mean masturbation isn't going to affect anyone, but it's a result of and leads to more of these thoughts.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

These thoughts can add up to make you worse as a person, and in that sense they will lead you to do to do things that harm others.

I mean masturbation isn't going to affect anyone, but it's a result of and leads to more of these thoughts.

If its not going to affect anyone, than its none of your business what others think. People have a right to think whatever they want.
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PMarth2002 posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

These thoughts can add up to make you worse as a person, and in that sense they will lead you to do to do things that harm others.

I mean masturbation isn't going to affect anyone, but it's a result of and leads to more of these thoughts.

If its not going to affect anyone, than its none of your business what others think. People have a right to think whatever they want.

Ok, but that doesn't mean those thoughts aren't immoral...
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Damn_Underscore posted...

PMarth2002 posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

These thoughts can add up to make you worse as a person, and in that sense they will lead you to do to do things that harm others.

I mean masturbation isn't going to affect anyone, but it's a result of and leads to more of these thoughts.

If its not going to affect anyone, than its none of your business what others think. People have a right to think whatever they want.

Ok, but that doesn't mean those thoughts aren't immoral...

I think you could argue that thoughts are unhealthy, but never immoral.
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hollow_shrine posted...

thecoolgu posted...

myzz7 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Why would it be?

wasting seed is a big no no for catholics.

You cannot waste what regenerates easily.

Catholic orthodoxy objects to waste on principle, also because of its importance to life, semen carries higher significance, almost like spilling blood. They would also object to the indulgence of self pleasure. These things are not exclusive to Catholicism, by the way. Aspects of these restrictions show up in a lot of protestant doctrine too.

even if you stopped masturbating altogether your body will default itself to nocturnal emissions in which case it's "spilt" either way. sperm cells only have a lifespan of 74 days

the same thing happens with blood which only has a lifespan of 120 days.

whether you lose blood or sperm via bleeding and ejaculation or don't do either it is constantly developing new cells of each and the older ones have to go somehow before their life cycle is up.

the body is designed to make sure it clears up the old to make room for the new, regardless of your morals. this process is called phagocytosis

so ultimately it doesn't matter if you masturbate or not you're just accelerating the process of what occurs naturally anyway

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DesuDeku posted...

Depends on what you masturbate to

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Bad thoughts aren't nearly as bad as actually doing bad things, but they can still be bad.

I think we just differ philosophically.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

I think we just differ philosophically.

I am trying to understand your perspective.

I think part of what I find difficult is that you're using bad and immoral interchangeably. There is a distinction there for me.
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Well someone made a thread saying he is close to cheating on his gf. He hasn't cheated yet, and he' would regret it, but he's still close to cheating.

Is this an example of immorality or not?

I would say yes, but it's immorality that he can defeat himself
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Well someone made a thread saying he is close to cheating on his gf. He hasn't cheated yet, and it sounds like he doesn't want to, but he's close to cheating.

Is this an example of immorality or not?

I would say yes, but it's immorality that he can defeat himself

I'd say it's not immoral to have those thoughts. If anything I'd say it's perfectly natural.

I would argue that the ability to resist your most base urges in situations where they have a negative impact on others is a big part of whether you are behaving in a moral manner or not.
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This is why I'm using immoral and bad interchangably.

Immoral is not moral

Morality has to do with right and wrong

Wrong is the same thing as bad (not good)
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Damn_Underscore posted...

This is why I'm using immoral and bad interchangably.

Immoral is not moral

Morality has to do with right and wrong

Wrong is the same thing as bad (not good)

I take it you're not familiar with Beyond Good and Evil by Friedrich Nietzsche?
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No, but regardless of what it says that's just what one person thinks.
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Cheater87 posted...

Why is religion against stuff that feels good?

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if jacking off is immoral I dont wanna be moral
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Damn_Underscore posted...

No, but regardless of what it says that's just what one person thinks.

Well, it's not just what one person thinks, but I'm guessing what you mean is that it isn't indisputable fact? If so, I agree. There's a lot wrong with it, in fact. However, I agree that while bad can mean immoral, it can mean other things as well.

Not all bad things are immoral.

For example, an earthquake that destroys your home is bad. I doubt many people would argue with that. It's not immoral though, is it?
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IloveJesus posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

No, but regardless of what it says that's just what one person thinks.

Not all bad things are immoral.

For example, an earthquake that destroys your home is bad. I doubt many people would argue with that. It's not immoral though, is it?

what
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Hexenherz posted...

IloveJesus posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

No, but regardless of what it says that's just what one person thinks.

Not all bad things are immoral.

For example, an earthquake that destroys your home is bad. I doubt many people would argue with that. It's not immoral though, is it?

what

How are you not understanding that?

Earthquake destroys home. Bad, right? As in not good. But it's neither moral nor immoral. Morality doesn't factor into it.

That's why bad shouldn't be used interchangably with immoral, because not all bad things are immoral.
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In all of these "bad"/"immoral" things, I'm talking about things that humans have control over.

If you did something and it hurt someone else unintentionally, wouldn't you feel the need to apologize and make up for what you did? This is your sense of morality.
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IloveJesus posted...

Hexenherz posted...

IloveJesus posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

No, but regardless of what it says that's just what one person thinks.

Not all bad things are immoral.

For example, an earthquake that destroys your home is bad. I doubt many people would argue with that. It's not immoral though, is it?

what

How are you not understanding that?

Earthquake destroys home. Bad, right? As in not good. But it's neither moral nor immoral. Morality doesn't factor into it.

That's why bad shouldn't be used interchangably with immoral, because not all bad things are immoral.

By definition morality can't be applied to natural phenomena over which humanity has no control, so it's an awkward analogy.
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I've come to realize my hands come down right at that sweet spot when I wake up in the morning and that spot likes to be touched. I think every guy grabs it when they wake up. So far as self-love it can help the prostate and relax someone who can't relax.

Damn_Underscore posted...

If you did something and it hurt someone else

Sure, but that's what I've been saying from the beginning. If it hurts somebody, it has done harm.

I've always said that doing harm can be immoral.

Where our stances differ is that when no harm is done you feel things like thoughts can be immoral.
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Hexenherz posted...

IloveJesus posted...

Hexenherz posted...

IloveJesus posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

No, but regardless of what it says that's just what one person thinks.

Not all bad things are immoral.

For example, an earthquake that destroys your home is bad. I doubt many people would argue with that. It's not immoral though, is it?

what

How are you not understanding that?

Earthquake destroys home. Bad, right? As in not good. But it's neither moral nor immoral. Morality doesn't factor into it.

That's why bad shouldn't be used interchangably with immoral, because not all bad things are immoral.

By definition morality can't be applied to natural phenomena over which humanity has no control, so it's an awkward analogy.

It was chosen specifically for that reason as it illustrates the problems around the language that is being used.
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hollow_shrine posted...

thecoolgu posted...

myzz7 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Why would it be?

wasting seed is a big no no for catholics.

You cannot waste what regenerates easily.

Catholic orthodoxy objects to waste on principle, also because of its importance to life, semen carries higher significance, almost like spilling blood. They would also object to the indulgence of self pleasure. These things are not exclusive to Catholicism, by the way. Aspects of these restrictions show up in a lot of protestant doctrine too.

Catholicism has some of the dumbest stances when it comes to masturbation, like all sperms is considered sacred or how using contraception is a sin. For most protestant doctrines they don't have a strong stance against masturbation or the use of contraception, but rather go with the "we don't recommend it, abstinence is the correct choice!" response. It's so weird how religion is always about preventing human behavior.
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IloveJesus posted...

Hexenherz posted...

IloveJesus posted...

Hexenherz posted...

IloveJesus posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

No, but regardless of what it says that's just what one person thinks.

Not all bad things are immoral.

For example, an earthquake that destroys your home is bad. I doubt many people would argue with that. It's not immoral though, is it?

what

How are you not understanding that?

Earthquake destroys home. Bad, right? As in not good. But it's neither moral nor immoral. Morality doesn't factor into it.

That's why bad shouldn't be used interchangably with immoral, because not all bad things are immoral.

By definition morality can't be applied to natural phenomena over which humanity has no control, so it's an awkward analogy.

It was chosen specifically for that reason as it illustrates the problems around the language that is being used.

Wouldn't it be more pertinent to compare two human behaviors, though?
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