Current Events > Why in Jehovah's name do Liberals defend Muslims so hard?

(+) Yeah! (+)

It makes absolutely no sense at all. On paper, it seems like Muslims stand against everything Liberals want. Even polls with "moderate" Muslims show their views largely line up with "extremist" Muslims. And those extremist want to kill and/or subjugate the entire world.

So why defend them whilst simultaneously attacking Conservatives who aren't trying to kill them?
---

They dont realize theyre reactionary, and are really just anti-Christian
---

Jehova's Witnesses keep showing up at my door

Muslims don't do that >:/
---

what is tolerance?
---

Imagine asking people why they don't discriminate against other people.

Conservatism is a mental disease.

I don't believe in discrimination of millions of people because they believe in something stupid or cuz of a couple of idiots.

Sue me.
---

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Imagine asking people why they do discriminate against other people.

Liberalism is a mental disease.

Did I do that right?
---

I don't. Muslim extremism has no place in the modern world and religion should have no say in the operation of the government. I have a problem with judging all Muslims for the actions of some. And I don't care how many Non-Muslims tell me that non-jihadist Muslims are fake Muslims because something something the Qur'an asserts it must be taken literally.
---

Cultural differences
---

Most liberals will openly admit there is a lot of shitty stuff in Islam and Islam-based countries, but also have the sense to mediate that with "ALL MUSLIMS ARE RAPIST PSYCHOPATHS BUY A GUN TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM THE INCOMING IMMIGRANTPOCALYPSE" that you see coming out of the right wing end of things.

People who think Islam is blameless are just as stupid as people who think Islam is going to destroy us.
---

hockeybub89 posted...

I don't. Muslim extremism has no place in the modern world and religion should have no say in the operation of the government. I have a problem with judging all Muslims for the actions of some. And I don't care how many Non-Muslims tell me that non-jihadist Muslims are fake Muslims because something something the Qur'an asserts it must be taken literally.

---

the extent of my defending of muslims is saying most muslims aren't terrorists, and sometimes that's a statement too far for right wingers.
---

thanosibe posted...

Did I do that right?

Not at all but your total lack of awareness is typical.

Why do conservatives defend Christians so much? They are both bad.
---

I can't speak for other countries, but in the U.S. liberals have (largely) taken a skeptical eye to the post-9/11 atmosphere of Islamaphobia, suspicion and surveillance directed towards the Muslim community. LGBT people and Muslims may have their differences, but both share an opposition to Republican policies that have singled them out.

The most prominent Muslim politician in the U.S. is a pro-choice Democrat.

Politics creates strange bedfellows, on both sides of the aisle.
---

liberals aren't as cut and dry as conservatives in their opinions or allegiances by their very nature, so i dunno what you mean by liberals
---

_BlueMonk posted...

what is tolerance?

Ah, so now you tolerate intolerance.

(b'_')b
---

Broseph_Stalin posted...

thanosibe posted...

Did I do that right?

Not at all but your total lack of awareness is typical.

That's so funny coming from you. Shit posting generalizations 24/7.
---

thanosibe posted...

That's so funny coming from you. Shit posting generalizations 24/7.

You literally countered "conservatives discriminate against people" with "Yeah but liberals DON'T discriminate! against people!"

I wish you had the awareness to realize what a great argument against yourself you are.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Imagine asking people why they don't discriminate against other people.

Conservatism is a mental disease.

We are talking about religion here.

I dont see much difference between disliking someone for their religious ideologies over their political ideologies.

Not objectively anyways.

Bandit_Keith posted...

It makes absolutely no sense at all. On paper, it seems like Muslims stand against everything Liberals want. Even polls with "moderate" Muslims show their views largely line up with "extremist" Muslims. And those extremist want to kill and/or subjugate the entire world.

So why defend them whilst simultaneously attacking Conservatives who aren't trying to kill them?

Only regressives do that. Those of us who are reasonable and logical dislike theocrats in general.
---

Why do conservatives hate Muslims when many of them are extremely conservative?
---

hockeybub89 posted...

Why do conservatives hate Muslims when many of them are extremely conservative?

Rival religion.
---

gamer167 posted...

I dont see much difference between disliking someone for their religious ideologies over their political ideologies

"Muslim" is not analogous to a specific political ideology.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Imagine asking people why they don't discriminate against other people.

Conservatism is a mental disease.

This.
---

uwnim posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Why do conservatives hate Muslims when many of them are extremely conservative?

Rival religion.

They are legitimately both so set in their ways to make people's lives miserable. It's so strange they aren't friend religions.
---

Broseph_Stalin posted...

gamer167 posted...

I dont see much difference between disliking someone for their religious ideologies over their political ideologies

"Muslim" is not analogous to a specific political ideology.

It doesnt have to be. Its someones beliefs.

Do:
Critique religious dogma and political ideologies and fight against their influence when you feel it undermines your values
Don't:
Discriminate against brown people and rip off their veils under the pretense of "freedom"

Liberal here, the above is how I feel.
---

We don't.
---

gamer167 posted...

It doesnt have to be. Its someones beliefs.

It is not a specific set of beliefs. That's not how religion works.

pinky0926 posted...

Do:
Critique religious dogma and political ideologies and fight against their influence when you feel it undermines your values
Don't:
Discriminate against brown people and rip off their veils under the pretense of "freedom"

Liberal here, the above is how I feel.

Thats a pretty good opinion.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

gamer167 posted...

It doesnt have to be. Its someones beliefs.

It is not a specific set of beliefs. That's not how religion works.

Does Islam not have a book called the Quran that specifies exactly how to practice the religion as according to God himself? The Bible?

gamer167 posted...

Does Islam not have a book called the Quran that specifies exactly how to practice the religion as according to God himself? The Bible?

We don't treat Christianity like that so I don't know why you'd do the same for Islam.

Many liberals myself included fought against the SPLC (southern policy law center) when they decided to call critics of Islam anti Muslim extremists. The SPLC has since changed that and removed those names.
---

As you'll hear them parrot all the time when discussing this, Muslims are "Brown people", and thus always the poor oppressed victim.

For being the ones who totally aren't racists, regressives sure do love to judge everything based on skin color.
---

VectorChaos posted...

As you'll hear them parrot all the time when discussing this, Muslims are "Brown people", and thus always the poor oppressed victim.

For being the ones who totally aren't racists, regressives sure do love to judge everything based on skin color.

Often times the people arguing with them are also liberals.
---

VectorChaos posted...

As you'll hear them parrot all the time when discussing this, Muslims are "Brown people", and thus always the poor oppressed victim.

I've never heard anyone but conservatives say this.

But yes people who are the target of hate crimes and discriminated against based purely on their background would be victims.

VectorChaos posted...

As you'll hear them parrot all the time when discussing this, Muslims are "Brown people", and thus always the poor oppressed victim.

For being the ones who totally aren't racists, regressives sure do love to judge everything based on skin color.

If you'd like a more nuanced discussion I'd be more than happy to have one.

We could start with: accepting that there are many popular tenets of Islam we would both find questionable at best and revolting at worst, why do all Muslims deserve to have their brush tarred indiscriminately? And why would such people deserve to be treated badly regardless of whether they personally did anything wrong?
---

Broseph_Stalin posted...

gamer167 posted...

Does Islam not have a book called the Quran that specifies exactly how to practice the religion as according to God himself? The Bible?

We don't treat Christianity like that so I don't know why you'd do the same for Islam.

Im only talking about Islam because thats what the topic was about. Any intelligent person would criticize Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, etc all the same.

All Im saying is just because a bunch of racists are attacking Muslims because theyre mostly brown that Islam shouldnt automatically be defended.

If you want to call it out you should be able to do so like you would with any other type of ideology.

because conservatives and centrists always shit on muslims just because they're different.

then you have the reformer types and the ones who absolutely hate anything to do with islam or muslims...and nobody except us sticks up for them/muslims. get over it.
---

Broseph_Stalin posted...

I've never heard anyone but conservatives say this.

pinky0926 posted...

brown people

Liberal here

Broseph_Stalin posted...

I've never heard anyone but conservatives say this.

You're lying.
---

Mr_Rian posted...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

I've never heard anyone but conservatives say this.

pinky0926 posted...

brown people

Liberal here

To be honest I think it's a reasonable talking point, since racists so routinely mix up Sikh's and Muslims with (almost) comical consistency.
---

gamer167 posted...

All Im saying is just because a bunch of racists are attacking Muslims because theyre mostly brown that Islam shouldnt automatically be defended.

But people who are attacked because they are Muslim should be.

You can criticize Islam and also understand that Muslims are often the victim of unwarranted hate crimes in the same breath.
---

Yeah, I don't understand it. Its like gym class, when there's two kids picking teams and one team gets stuck with the last kid that nobody else picked. Except the kid is Islam.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Imagine asking people why they don't discriminate against other people.

I don't think discriminating against anybody is good, I just think its weird because the ideals of Islam seem to really contradict the typical liberal values. I would think Islam falls more in line with the conservative side of the spectrum.

LJRENEGADE posted...

I just think its weird because the ideals of Islam seem to really contradict the typical liberal values. I would think Islam falls more in line with the conservative side of the spectrum.

Sounds like you have a problem with generalizing.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

LJRENEGADE posted...

I just think its weird because the ideals of Islam seem to really contradict the typical liberal values. I would think Islam falls more in line with the conservative side of the spectrum.

Sounds like you have a problem with generalizing.

So not all liberals support womans rights?
---

Again, big tent parties (which a two-party system necessitates) is gonna create some weird, even contradictory coalitions. You might just as well ask how the Democratic Party can contain environmentalists who want to stop pipeline projects and the union workers who stand to be employed by those projects. Black voters and the LGBT community haven't always seen eye to eye either.
---

Treating all versions of Islam and all Muslims as the same is wrong. For instance there are the Ahmadiyya which are basically the universalism of Islmic religions. An Ahmadiyya would never be an extremist or a terrorist.
---

Bloodychess posted...

So not all liberals support womans rights?

Broseph_Stalin posted...

"Muslim" is not analogous to a specific political ideology.