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Hayame Zero
04/16/18 11:18:02 PM
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Was going to fight Mega Satan for the first time ever. Also picked up Cursed Eye for the first time, which is a charged attack...aaand it teleports you out of room if you get hit while charging.

Was strong enough to try Mega Satan five times, but the teleporting is what prevented me from beating it. I couldn't even fucking die.
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Spidey5
04/16/18 11:20:44 PM
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UnicornWizard
04/16/18 11:24:53 PM
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Indeed. The struggle is real sometimes.
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JScriv
04/16/18 11:29:59 PM
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Sucks :( Cant believe youve never experienced the Cursed Eye in all its shittinsss before, and the first run you have a good shot at Mega Satan and it rears its ugly head.

You should probably make use of the cheat sheet before taking any items you dont recognize on a Mega Satan attempt.
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IHeartRadiation
04/16/18 11:34:32 PM
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Cursed Eye is at least manageable when you figure out the effect. Be glad you weren't running a low-damage high-speed Soy Milk build and then picked up Proptosis.
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Hayame Zero
04/17/18 12:07:20 AM
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JScriv posted...
You should probably make use of the cheat sheet before taking any items you dont recognize on a Mega Satan attempt.


Oh, I do. I have the cheat sheet and a wiki with me at all times. But by the point I was in the Chest, I didn't think a single item would fuck me up so bad, and I just went ahead and grabbed it.
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EpicMickeyDrew
04/17/18 12:22:52 AM
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IHeartRadiation posted...
Cursed Eye is at least manageable when you figure out the effect. Be glad you weren't running a low-damage high-speed Soy Milk build and then picked up Proptosis.

If you're gonna use jargon please explain what it means. What does proptosis do
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IHeartRadiation
04/17/18 1:07:27 AM
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@EpicMickeyDrew posted...
IHeartRadiation posted...
Cursed Eye is at least manageable when you figure out the effect. Be glad you weren't running a low-damage high-speed Soy Milk build and then picked up Proptosis.

If you're gonna use jargon please explain what it means. What does proptosis do

Soy Milk: Sets your damage to basically be non-existent, but lets you shoot a lot.
Proptosis: Increases your damage, but you lose damage as your shots travel until they completely disappear.

It's possible to end up with an unwinnable run if you get stuck in a room where your shots can't travel far enough and you don't have any flight items.
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Garioshi
04/18/18 11:47:59 PM
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As a rule of thumb, Soy Milk, Tech 2, Cursed Eye, and Bob's Brain will end up losing you the run. Never take them. Tiny Planet may also fall under this category, depending on your build. Mom's Knife + Tiny Planet is actual cancer, do not get it under any circumstances.
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-Unowninator-
04/19/18 12:16:10 AM
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Garioshi posted...
As a rule of thumb, Soy Milk, Tech 2, Cursed Eye, and Bob's Brain will end up losing you the run. Never take them. Tiny Planet may also fall under this category, depending on your build. Mom's Knife + Tiny Planet is actual cancer, do not get it under any circumstances.

Wait, what's wrong with Tech 2?
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Garioshi
04/19/18 12:26:58 AM
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-Unowninator- posted...
Garioshi posted...
As a rule of thumb, Soy Milk, Tech 2, Cursed Eye, and Bob's Brain will end up losing you the run. Never take them. Tiny Planet may also fall under this category, depending on your build. Mom's Knife + Tiny Planet is actual cancer, do not get it under any circumstances.

Wait, what's wrong with Tech 2?

Cuts your damage by 35%.
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-Unowninator-
04/19/18 12:41:23 AM
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Garioshi posted...
-Unowninator- posted...
Garioshi posted...
As a rule of thumb, Soy Milk, Tech 2, Cursed Eye, and Bob's Brain will end up losing you the run. Never take them. Tiny Planet may also fall under this category, depending on your build. Mom's Knife + Tiny Planet is actual cancer, do not get it under any circumstances.

Wait, what's wrong with Tech 2?

Cuts your damage by 35%.

Really? I did not know that. Thanks for telling me.
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HeyPuff
04/19/18 1:08:14 AM
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FUCK soy milk

Tiny planet is garbage too but I had soy fuck me over too many times
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EpicMickeyDrew
04/19/18 1:14:12 AM
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Garioshi posted...
As a rule of thumb, Soy Milk, Tech 2, Cursed Eye, and Bob's Brain will end up losing you the run. Never take them. Tiny Planet may also fall under this category, depending on your build. Mom's Knife + Tiny Planet is actual cancer, do not get it under any circumstances.

EpicMickeyDrew posted...
If you're gonna use jargon please explain what it means.

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Schwarz
04/19/18 1:16:55 AM
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None of that is jargon, they're literal item names

https://bindingofisaacrebirth.gamepedia.com/Item
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Garioshi
04/19/18 1:18:23 AM
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EpicMickeyDrew posted...
Garioshi posted...
As a rule of thumb, Soy Milk, Tech 2, Cursed Eye, and Bob's Brain will end up losing you the run. Never take them. Tiny Planet may also fall under this category, depending on your build. Mom's Knife + Tiny Planet is actual cancer, do not get it under any circumstances.

EpicMickeyDrew posted...
If you're gonna use jargon please explain what it means.

Soy Milk: C0YQUpq
Lowers your tears, usually to 1 or 2; the normal limit is 5. However, it gets rid of nearly all your damage.

Tech 2: w79lUD6
Tears are replaced with a laser with infinite range that deals constant damage to whatever it touches. Downside is the fact that it cuts your damage by 35%.

Cursed Eye: sKEL4aC
I assume you already know.

Bob's Brain: xjaCU5p
Familiar that follows you around. When you fire tears, Bob's Brain will move slowly in that direction until it hits something. If it's an enemy, it blows up like a bomb and can damage you like one as well. It doesn't fire all the time, though; it seems to be random whether or not it will actually decide to move when you hit the fire button. One of the worst items in the game if not the worst.

Tiny Planet: 69vXI9q
Gives you insane range and a tears up, but your tears orbit around you when you fire them. Usually bearable, but can be an absolute nightmare when combined with other items, most notably Mom's Knife a8xew3Q and Monstro's Lung pdjvyzw
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EpicMickeyDrew
04/19/18 1:27:44 AM
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Schwarz posted...
None of that is jargon, they're literal item names

https://bindingofisaacrebirth.gamepedia.com/Item

Jargon: special words or expressions used by a profession or group that are difficult for others to understand.
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Schwarz
04/19/18 1:40:54 AM
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EpicMickeyDrew posted...
Schwarz posted...
None of that is jargon, they're literal item names

https://bindingofisaacrebirth.gamepedia.com/Item

Jargon: special words or expressions used by a profession or group that are difficult for others to understand.

I guess I don't get it. If I talked about getting an ebony claymore in Oblivion or deku nuts in Ocarina of Time would you call that jargon? They're words pertaining to those games, but it's just what they're called, nothing special about it.
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EpicMickeyDrew
04/19/18 2:23:48 AM
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@Schwarz posted...
EpicMickeyDrew posted...
Schwarz posted...
None of that is jargon, they're literal item names

https://bindingofisaacrebirth.gamepedia.com/Item

Jargon: special words or expressions used by a profession or group that are difficult for others to understand.

I guess I don't get it. If I talked about getting an ebony claymore in Oblivion or deku nuts in Ocarina of Time would you call that jargon? They're words pertaining to those games, but it's just what they're called, nothing special about it.


River, Call, Big blind, full house, and flop are words pertaining to the game poker, If I said to you, I called the big blind on the button and then flopped a full house on the river, a non poker player wouldn't understand the meaning. in the same vein, a non binding of isaac player wouldn't understand what soy milk is, or why soy milk is so bad with proptosis. If you talked about getting an item, while it is jargon, an outsider can still understand, so and so got xyz item, but if you talked about the mechanics, 'I got the ebony claymore but because i didn't have the savage strike perk and was playing as an altmer, with high magicka my DPS wasn't high enough to close the gate of oblivion,' it sounds like gibberish to an outsider.
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Wetterdew
04/19/18 2:38:31 AM
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Cursed Eye is actually great on Lilith. You don't get any of the harmful effects, it actually just makes it so you shoot three times as many tears as before. No charge time, no teleporting. Just triple the tears.

Also, for people who like to play fast and loose, judicious use of Cursed Eye can let you teleport when you want to.

But I basically always avoid it unless I'm playing as Lillith.
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pegusus123456
04/19/18 2:39:27 AM
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mobilebloechel posted...
It feels like people who've never played Binding of Isaac have just popped in there and started complaining about random shit...

That is exactly what that guy did.
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EpicMickeyDrew
04/19/18 3:12:09 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
mobilebloechel posted...
It feels like people who've never played Binding of Isaac have just popped in there and started complaining about random shit...

That is exactly what that guy did.

The only people I see complaining here are you two.
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Spidey5
04/19/18 7:53:27 AM
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EpicMickeyDrew posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
mobilebloechel posted...
It feels like people who've never played Binding of Isaac have just popped in there and started complaining about random shit...

That is exactly what that guy did.

The only people I see complaining here are you two.

Nah, it's all you dude.
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moose_knuckle
04/19/18 7:58:44 AM
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Binding of Isaac sounds like some bdsm porn
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
04/19/18 8:49:36 AM
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Binding of Issac is a 10/10 game.
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Nazanir
04/19/18 8:50:39 AM
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Spidey5 posted...
Suddenly, Soy Milk

Soy milk + Libra is the tits though.
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fire_bolt
04/19/18 9:11:44 AM
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EpicMickeyDrew posted...
Schwarz posted...
None of that is jargon, they're literal item names

https://bindingofisaacrebirth.gamepedia.com/Item

Jargon: special words or expressions used by a profession or group that are difficult for others to understand.


Dude, if you're gonna come into a topic about a particular game without educating yourself about it then you don't get to be mad when the conversation goes over your head. It's not our job to bring you up to date on a game with literally hundreds of items when a simple google search will bring up the wiki entry for that item every time.

IHeartRadiation posted...
It's possible to end up with an unwinnable run if you get stuck in a room where your shots can't travel far enough and you don't have any flight items.


False. Any room where this happens will automatically unlock and let you progress after a few minutes specifically to avoid this soft-lock issue. It sucks, yeah, but part of Roguelike games is that they actively hate you.
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Spidey5
04/19/18 10:26:49 AM
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Nazanir posted...
Spidey5 posted...
Suddenly, Soy Milk

Soy milk + Libra is the tits though.

True
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Bad_Mojo
04/19/18 10:28:48 AM
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Spidey5 posted...
Suddenly, Soy Milk


Soy Milk is a lot of fun, though. I can break your game, but it can make it a lot better as well
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MC_BatCommander
04/19/18 10:39:37 AM
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Lol yeah Curses Eye is awful. Probably the overall worst item in the game imo.
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Bad_Mojo
04/19/18 10:43:49 AM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
Lol yeah Curses Eye is awful. Probably the overall worst item in the game imo.


I hate that heart familiar that takes damage for you. I can never protect it well enough.
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NeuralLaxative
04/19/18 10:44:37 AM
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Is that game better than enter the gungeon, they seem similar
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Bad_Mojo
04/19/18 10:46:27 AM
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NeuralLaxative posted...
Is that game better than enter the gungeon, they seem similar


I haven't played that game, but Issac is one of my favorite games of all time. I have 1,772 hours into the game, and 393 in the original Flash Game
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EverDownward
04/19/18 10:48:10 AM
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This is just one reason why I don't like rougelites. They are far too dependent on RNG, and revel in permadeath. The genre is an exercise in tedium.
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Questionmarktarius
04/19/18 10:51:03 AM
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I'm pretty sure Binding of Isaac ruined my run in Binding of Issac.
Shelved it indefinitely after getting dead only three times. Probably ought to just sell it.
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Balrog0
04/19/18 10:53:05 AM
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EverDownward posted...
This is just one reason why I don't like rougelites. They are far too dependent on RNG, and revel in permadeath. The genre is an exercise in tedium.


are you saying this doesn't apply to roguelikes as well?
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Drpooplol
04/19/18 11:00:53 AM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
Lol yeah Curses Eye is awful. Probably the overall worst item in the game imo.


I hate that heart familiar that takes damage for you. I can never protect it well enough.

Isaac's heart is by FAR the worst item in the game.
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EverDownward
04/19/18 11:50:18 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
EverDownward posted...
This is just one reason why I don't like rougelites. They are far too dependent on RNG, and revel in permadeath. The genre is an exercise in tedium.


are you saying this doesn't apply to roguelikes as well?

I don't like roguelikes or roguelites. They both have similar principles that I don't care for. The only roguelike I ever enjoyed enough to beat was DoomRL, and that was because it was pretty short and the Doom aesthetic was neat.
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MC_BatCommander
04/19/18 11:51:55 AM
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Drpooplol posted...
Bad_Mojo posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
Lol yeah Curses Eye is awful. Probably the overall worst item in the game imo.


I hate that heart familiar that takes damage for you. I can never protect it well enough.

Isaac's heart is by FAR the worst item in the game.


It actually can be pretty good. You don't take damage from blood banks, curse rooms, or heart beggars. If you have something like Midas Touch or Poop touch you can just run through every enemy for instant kills.

EverDownward posted...
This is just one reason why I don't like rougelites. They are far too dependent on RNG, and revel in permadeath. The genre is an exercise in tedium.


Eh, for the most part RNG won't kill an Isaac run unless you are just the most unlucky person ever. You're bound to find at least one good item in devil deals or X marked rocks or something.
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Bad_Mojo
04/19/18 12:02:46 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
It actually can be pretty good. You don't take damage from blood banks, curse rooms, or heart beggars. If you have something like Midas Touch or Poop touch you can just run through every enemy for instant kills.


As with everything in the game, it can be great with certain combos
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MC_BatCommander
04/19/18 12:06:55 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
It actually can be pretty good. You don't take damage from blood banks, curse rooms, or heart beggars. If you have something like Midas Touch or Poop touch you can just run through every enemy for instant kills.


As with everything in the game, it can be great with certain combos


Except Cursed Eye, that thing is 100% garbo :P
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EnragedSlith
04/19/18 12:45:04 PM
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Havent played it in a while. 100%d it before the greed update, pre-buffed Lost and all.

The only pickups I didnt like were stuff that trivialized the game. Moms Knife and Brimstone in particular. Also, always hated how optimal play made the experience super consistent. You coulf just aim for devil rooms and steamroll
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Drpooplol
04/19/18 2:28:32 PM
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EnragedSlith posted...
Haven?t played it in a while. 100%?d it before the greed update, pre-buffed Lost and all.

The only pickups I didn?t like were stuff that trivialized the game. Mom?s Knife and Brimstone in particular. Also, always hated how optimal play made the experience super consistent. You coulf just aim for devil rooms and steamroll

It's not like that anymore. They've nerfed devil deals EXTREMELY hard.
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Hayame Zero
04/19/18 3:33:10 PM
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Drpooplol posted...
EnragedSlith posted...
Haven?t played it in a while. 100%?d it before the greed update, pre-buffed Lost and all.

The only pickups I didn?t like were stuff that trivialized the game. Mom?s Knife and Brimstone in particular. Also, always hated how optimal play made the experience super consistent. You coulf just aim for devil rooms and steamroll

It's not like that anymore. They've nerfed devil deals EXTREMELY hard.


How did they used to be?
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alphagamble
04/19/18 3:44:24 PM
#48:


I couldn't play as anyone other than Azreal

Just felt like there were so many shit items playing as Isacc
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fire_bolt
04/19/18 3:49:47 PM
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Hayame Zero posted...
Drpooplol posted...
EnragedSlith posted...
Haven?t played it in a while. 100%?d it before the greed update, pre-buffed Lost and all.

The only pickups I didn?t like were stuff that trivialized the game. Mom?s Knife and Brimstone in particular. Also, always hated how optimal play made the experience super consistent. You coulf just aim for devil rooms and steamroll

It's not like that anymore. They've nerfed devil deals EXTREMELY hard.


How did they used to be?


Every deal had 2 items without fail, except for fights with Krampus. Now there's a strong chance that you'll get a Deal with no items in it, which can potentially lock you into Angel Room deals instead (which is generally less desirable from a sheer damage standpoint)
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Drpooplol
04/19/18 3:50:02 PM
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Hayame Zero posted...
How did they used to be?

OP as fuck. You could become guppy practically every other run if you tried. Brimstone all the time. It was actually ridiculous.

alphagamble posted...
I couldn't play as anyone other than Azreal

Just felt like there were so many shit items playing as Isacc

It sounds like you're just bad.
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