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Dash_Harber 04/16/18 7:53:50 PM #52: |
Swagnificent119 posted...
No, my argument was based on multiple things; - You implying that a character being gay in a kid's movie was somehow weird. - The fact that his sexuality is never explicitly laid out. - The fact that its one rumor among many, but seemingly the only one people here cared to comment on. - The fact that people are arguing that including it as a character trait is bad 'because it adds nothing to the story' (this is what you were initially arguing before that was pointed out to be a stupid argument) despite the fact that character traits that don't directly tie into the story are included all the time (including in the OT). You initially argued this, but then somehow your argument became that Lando was so obviously hetero that it was a retcon (which, as far as I can figure out, is a completely different argument). Like I said, though, maybe I'm mistaken. Maybe those four huge red flags were just coincidences. I could be wrong. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Swagnificent119 04/16/18 11:37:04 PM #53: |
Dash_Harber posted...
- You implying that a character being gay in a kid's movie was somehow weird. Me bringing up that this is a kids movie was to show how stupid your comparison to adult action movies was. Even then, it is fucking weird for it to be brought up in either capacity. (and just having a romance isn't the same fucking thing) Dash_Harber posted... - The fact that his sexuality is never explicitly laid out. *rolls eyes* Dash_Harber posted... - The fact that its one rumor among many, but seemingly the only one people here cared to comment on. Probably because it's the rumor that was mentioned in the topic title? Dash_Harber posted... - The fact that people are arguing that including it as a character trait is bad 'because it adds nothing to the story' (this is what you were initially arguing before that was pointed out to be a stupid argument) You saying it's a stupid argument doesn't make it so. Maybe those four huge red flags were just coincidences. I could be wrong. Coincidences towards what, exactly? You know, for someone who thinks Lando is a side character who didn't mean much, this is a really weird thing to get so upset about. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dash_Harber 04/17/18 12:08:34 AM #54: |
Swagnificent119 posted...
I don't think you understand the comparison. It doesn't matter whether it's sex or the character's favorite hat, there are gratuitous character traits added into movies all the time. I really can't make it any clearer than that. Swagnificent119 posted...
It's okay, I'll translate; "I got nothing". Swagnificent119 posted...
Actually, the original video was actually multiple rumors, and the topic title referred to that. Swagnificent119 posted...
No, what makes it a stupid argument is that complaining about characters being fleshed out is the equivalent of complaining that they gave you extra sprinkles on your ice cream. Adding character traits is unanimously a good thing, and complaining about the character's not being 2 dimensional enough comes off as incredibly dense. Swagnificent119 posted... Coincidences towards what, exactly? That it really looks like you are just mad at the very idea that a character might be gay. Swagnificent119 posted... You know, for someone who thinks Lando is a side character who didn't mean much, this is a really weird thing to get so upset about. What? First, I'm not upset. Second, I don't really care whether he is or not, I was criticizing the response to the news ,which has been almost entirely, "oh, that doesn't add to the story, so therefore it's pandering!" despite the fact that an important part of building any story (book, movie, or otherwise) is creating believable characters who have more traits than just, "is a plot device to continue the story". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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itachi15243 04/17/18 12:13:51 AM #55: |
I don't really care. StarWars is pretty much just dead to me now.
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thronedfire2 04/17/18 12:14:40 AM #56: |
holy shit this topic is pathetic
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Swagnificent119 04/17/18 12:14:44 AM #57: |
Dash_Harber posted...
I don't think you understand the comparison. It doesn't matter whether it's sex or the character's favorite hat, there are gratuitous character traits added into movies all the time. I really can't make it any clearer than that. And it's a dumb comparison. Get over it. It's okay, I'll translate; "I got nothing". That's exactly what this kind of argument is, nothing. He is portrayed as a womanizer, he flirts with Leia, he never shows any interest in guys or aliens or anything else. But yeah, he didn't say he was straight so nope, it wasn't established. It's dumb, hence me rolling my eyes at your shitty argument. Actually, the original video was actually multiple rumors, and the topic title referred to that. How about you read post 1, again? You know, this part in spoilers? D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
No, what makes it a stupid argument is that complaining about characters being fleshed out is the equivalent of complaining that they gave you extra sprinkles on your ice cream. Adding character traits is unanimously a good thing, and complaining about the character's not being 2 dimensional enough comes off as incredibly dense. The way it is explained in the rumor is that it *isn't* fleshing him out, though. It's just a new thing thrown in for no reason that had no establishment in any of his previous incarnations. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Dash_Harber posted... That it really looks like you are just mad at the very idea that a character might be gay. Oh, right, because you just need a reason to cry bigot like I said earlier. Grow up, I'm done with this argument. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dash_Harber 04/17/18 12:17:16 AM #58: |
Swagnificent119 posted...
Grow up, I'm done with this argument. You know what? That's probably for the best. You come off as completely intolerable and woefully obnoxious, so I'll just leave it at that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuffledPeanuts 04/18/18 12:16:49 PM #59: |
dib153 posted...
Uhm...I really wouldn't be surprised if lando swing swung swangs all types of ways iClockwork posted... Why does his sexual orientation need to be expressed at all is the question. I agree with both of these posts (To a degree). He doesn't necessarily need to have his sexual orientation expressed in this movie but there has always been romance in Star Wars so I wouldn't be upset if he had a male romantic partner (If they actually wrote it properly). Just don't do what they did with Rose/Finn and make it an out-of-the-blue romance with barely any plot to it. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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iClockwork 04/18/18 2:28:29 PM #60: |
RuffledPeanuts posted...
there has always been romance in Star Wars Between main characters not side characters. Why didn't Lando have a love interest in the original trilogy? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 04/18/18 2:30:17 PM #61: |
Han Solo: "I love you."
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Second_Chances 04/18/18 2:35:35 PM #62: |
isn't there a character whose name is Crazy McScissorpunch or something
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kuwab0 04/18/18 2:52:59 PM #63: |
iClockwork posted...
RuffledPeanuts posted...there has always been romance in Star Wars Lobot --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Ivory_Man 04/18/18 2:53:27 PM #64: |
RuffledPeanuts posted...
dib153 posted...Uhm...I really wouldn't be surprised if lando swing swung swangs all types of ways There are like four on screen romantic couples --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ASithLord7 04/18/18 3:08:42 PM #65: |
Lando has had girlfriends so hes probably not gay. But him fucking with both men and women would be incredibly unsurprising
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EvalAngell 04/18/18 3:11:57 PM #66: |
why does Lando need a sexual orientation at all? can't he just be the cool black guy? And leave it at that?
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Questionmarktarius 04/18/18 3:15:24 PM #67: |
Suddenly, Lobot makes a hell of a lot more sense.
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darkjedilink 04/18/18 3:17:32 PM #68: |
Dash_Harber posted...
iClockwork posted...Dash_Harber posted...Honestly, that wouldn't make much of a difference to me. He was a cool character, but he is pretty much the definition of an unimportant side character. If a NEW character was introduced as non-cis, that's not a problem at all. Changing the sexuality of already-established characters is stupid, pointless, and only serves to piss off prospective viewers. And Lando has always been cis. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Romulox28 04/18/18 3:18:54 PM #69: |
Second_Chances posted...
isn't there a character whose name is Crazy McScissorpunch or something lmao --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/18/18 3:19:43 PM #70: |
darkjedilink posted...
Changing the sexuality of already-established characters is stupid, pointless, and only serves to piss off prospective viewers. Did we ever see Lando really do anything relevant, apart from briefly eyeballing Leia? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 04/18/18 3:19:48 PM #71: |
iClockwork posted...
RuffledPeanuts posted...there has always been romance in Star Wars Uhhh, he was gaming on Leia like a mofo... --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 04/18/18 3:21:03 PM #72: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
darkjedilink posted...Changing the sexuality of already-established characters is stupid, pointless, and only serves to piss off prospective viewers. Lol, 'breifly eyeballing.' Literally every scene they shared before Vader's reveal had him mackin' Leia hardcore. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlecSkorpio 04/18/18 3:25:10 PM #73: |
I think this whole thing sounds dumb as fuck
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Im_JustMe0129 04/18/18 3:25:29 PM #74: |
D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
. Nope...no. I will not sit through another politicized, SJW agenda driven Star Wars.....sorry, I meant SJW Wars. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giant_Aspirin 04/18/18 3:29:28 PM #75: |
darkjedilink posted...
And Lando has always been cis. nothing in the source material definitively says that he doesn't swing both ways. we only know that he likes women, but he could also like men. --- Playing: Songs of the Deep (PC) (~);} - It seems like all this life was just a dream - {;(~) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/18/18 3:31:39 PM #76: |
Giant_Aspirin posted...
darkjedilink posted...And Lando has always been cis. and, he could be doing those pig guys in the basement. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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iPhone_7 04/18/18 3:46:15 PM #77: |
Dash_Harber posted...
D-Lo_BrownTown posted... He sold out his friend & his friends group to the Empire to protect his city. (Resulting in Luke not finishing his Jedi training and Han being frozen & taken to Jabba The Hutt). He was also the one to lead a squad to the core of the Death Star 2 to destroy it. - Without a character like him the second half of Empire Strikes Back would have been drastically different - The first third of Return of the Jedi would have been drastically different - And the Death Star 2s destruction would have been different because they sure as hell are not gonna give the role solely to Nien Nunb (who actually is an unimportant side character) --- Sig User Logic http://i.imgur.com/lA5fm7w.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GeneralKenobi85 04/18/18 4:00:18 PM #78: |
iPhone_7 posted...
Dash_Harber posted...D-Lo_BrownTown posted... If only Nien Nunb got his chance to shine. Maybe one day. --- Ah, yes, the Negotiator: General Kenobi <sneaky beeping> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EvalAngell 04/18/18 4:02:09 PM #79: |
iPhone_7 posted...
they sure as hell are not gonna give the role solely to Nien Nunb (who actually is an unimportant side character) you take that back. Nien Nunb is one of the few surviving Resistance members following TLJ. Dude is a WARRIOR. --- It's what's best for business. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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prince_leo 04/18/18 4:04:43 PM #80: |
I can buy that he's bi. even in the OT, Lando was totally a dom with Lobot and fucking Nien Nunb on the side
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Ulyanyx 04/18/18 4:07:06 PM #81: |
Dash_Harber posted...
iClockwork posted...Dash_Harber posted...Honestly, that wouldn't make much of a difference to me. He was a cool character, but he is pretty much the definition of an unimportant side character. so something that is natural for the human race to continue (heterosexuality) since the dawn of time is wrong to be shown, and it's homophobic to say otherwise? low iq bait --- If you want me to reply to something in a topic, tag me because I lurk far more than I post. Sober from Alcohol since Jan 26th 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/18/18 4:07:37 PM #82: |
prince_leo posted...
I can buy that he's bi. even in the OT, Lando was totally a dom with Lobot and fucking Nien Nunb on the side Typical Cloud City divorce: "You were cheating on me with Lando?" "So were you!!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiralDrift 04/18/18 5:35:56 PM #83: |
People make fun of Star Trek fans for drawn out and pointless debates but this is on a whole other level of dweebdom.
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AvantgardeAClue 04/18/18 5:38:54 PM #84: |
Dash_Harber posted...
D-Lo_BrownTown posted... Literally a Rebel general --- Sometimes I say things and I'm not voice acting. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkBuster22904 04/18/18 6:05:19 PM #85: |
darkjedilink posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...darkjedilink posted...Changing the sexuality of already-established characters is stupid, pointless, and only serves to piss off prospective viewers. Which is like 2 scenes for a collective 20 seconds and 2 lines of dialogue. That said, sigh. Why are they doing this? Not because I can't see lando being bi. I can. It sort of works. But because I can't think of a single time in history where altering a established character's race, sex, or orientation has actually been received favorably. Every time it's done, there's a shitshow. "Oh, but technically it's not altering-" piss off. If you'd been asked before these rumors whether lando was straight or not, you would have said yes. Its altering de facto, no matter how many hairs you split. You know where there's almost never a shitsjow these days? New characters. You'd think they'd recognize this movie is gonna have a hard enough time connecting with an underwhelmed, uninterested audience, without pulling the trick scientifically proven to piss off fans the most. --- There's somethin' strange on the message board. Who you gonna call? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ASithLord7 04/18/18 11:11:37 PM #86: |
DarkBuster22904 posted...
That said, sigh. Why are they doing this? Not because I can't see lando being bi. I can. It sort of works. But because I can't think of a single time in history where altering a established character's race, sex, or orientation has actually been received favorably. Every time it's done, there's a shitshow. How would making him bi alter his established orientation? He has no established orientation. He's attracted to Leia, he doesn't fucking say he doesn't like men. You realize bi people like women right? --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ASithLord7 04/18/18 11:13:14 PM #87: |
Also while I know the Lobot posts are (mostly) a joke, he's been in love with a woman in the past so he's not gay, and by the time of Empire his implants are in complete control of him, so he's more droid than man, and Lando being his top would uhh, not be very consensual.
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DarkBuster22904 04/18/18 11:19:55 PM #88: |
ASithLord7 posted...
DarkBuster22904 posted...That said, sigh. Why are they doing this? Not because I can't see lando being bi. I can. It sort of works. But because I can't think of a single time in history where altering a established character's race, sex, or orientation has actually been received favorably. Every time it's done, there's a shitshow. DarkBuster22904 posted... "Oh, but technically it's not altering-" piss off. If you'd been asked before these rumors whether lando was straight or not, you would have said yes. Its altering de facto, no matter how many hairs you split. --- There's somethin' strange on the message board. Who you gonna call? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JordanPeterson 04/18/18 11:20:30 PM #89: |
This does seem to fit Lando's character, tbqh.
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prince_leo 04/18/18 11:24:07 PM #90: |
DarkBuster22904 posted...
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dave_is_slick 04/18/18 11:32:36 PM #91: |
Dash_Harber posted...
Swagnificent119 posted...Grow up, I'm done with this argument. You were looking in the mirror when you typed that right? --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/18/18 11:34:42 PM #92: |
ASithLord7 posted...
Also while I know the Lobot posts are (mostly) a joke, he's been in love with a woman in the past so he's not gay, and by the time of Empire his implants are in complete control of him, so he's more droid than man, and Lando being his top would uhh, not be very consensual. Who says Lando's the top? At any rate, it's Disney's franchise to shit all over, so your only real options are to be pissed off, roll with it, or just make sarcastic jokes. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkBuster22904 04/18/18 11:40:21 PM #93: |
prince_leo posted...
DarkBuster22904 posted...DarkBuster22904 posted... Whatever, dude. I don't even care about whether they make him bi or not. I'm just saying, a week ago, not a person alive would have said he was. There was nothing precluding it, I guess, but equally there was absolutely nothing indicating it, canon or not, in 40 years of character history. And when the only metric by which you judge whether a character might be bi is "x character didn't have a scene where he expressly indicates he's repulsed by the D," then I daresay almost every character ter in fiction could technically be bi. Doesn't mean they are. That's why I say it's an alteration rather than a revelation. Just because nothing precludes it doesn't mean it doesn't come out of absolutely nowhere --- There's somethin' strange on the message board. Who you gonna call? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skye Reynolds 04/18/18 11:45:51 PM #94: |
I totally believe he was written as a gay character back in 1982. This totally isn't a retcon or anything.
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iPhone_7 04/18/18 11:51:40 PM #95: |
Second_Chances posted...
isn't there a character whose name is Crazy McScissorpunch or something This lobster alien is going to ruin Solo the same way Prune Face ruined Return of the Jedi. --- Sig User Logic http://i.imgur.com/lA5fm7w.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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prince_leo 04/18/18 11:54:12 PM #96: |
DarkBuster22904 posted...
I'm just saying, a week ago, not a person alive would have said he was. you're right, but that's only because we assume pretty much every character is straight you saying "piss off because you assumed something that is the majority" just isn't a retort to the idea that nothing said he wasn't --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ProfessorKukui 04/18/18 11:54:27 PM #97: |
I believe it.
After wearing Han's clothes in Empire... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BruceWayneJr 04/18/18 11:58:09 PM #98: |
I'm looking forward to laughing at the media and fanboy reaction, regardless of what happens with the movie.
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Ivynn 04/19/18 12:00:31 AM #99: |
SpiralDrift posted...
That whole milking the teet thing was just a metaphor for milking the franchise for all it's worth. ![]() --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ASithLord7 04/19/18 12:08:22 AM #100: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
ASithLord7 posted...Also while I know the Lobot posts are (mostly) a joke, he's been in love with a woman in the past so he's not gay, and by the time of Empire his implants are in complete control of him, so he's more droid than man, and Lando being his top would uhh, not be very consensual. People earlier in the topic. Top or bottom it wouldn't be consensual. And Disney has nothing to do with how Star Wars is written. --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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