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Dash_Harber
04/16/18 7:53:50 PM
#52:


Swagnificent119 posted...

And your only argument seems to be "Well, nobody complains about anything else." which is patently false.


No, my argument was based on multiple things;
- You implying that a character being gay in a kid's movie was somehow weird.
- The fact that his sexuality is never explicitly laid out.
- The fact that its one rumor among many, but seemingly the only one people here cared to comment on.
- The fact that people are arguing that including it as a character trait is bad 'because it adds nothing to the story' (this is what you were initially arguing before that was pointed out to be a stupid argument) despite the fact that character traits that don't directly tie into the story are included all the time (including in the OT). You initially argued this, but then somehow your argument became that Lando was so obviously hetero that it was a retcon (which, as far as I can figure out, is a completely different argument).
Like I said, though, maybe I'm mistaken. Maybe those four huge red flags were just coincidences. I could be wrong.
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Swagnificent119
04/16/18 11:37:04 PM
#53:


Dash_Harber posted...
- You implying that a character being gay in a kid's movie was somehow weird.


Me bringing up that this is a kids movie was to show how stupid your comparison to adult action movies was. Even then, it is fucking weird for it to be brought up in either capacity. (and just having a romance isn't the same fucking thing)

Dash_Harber posted...
- The fact that his sexuality is never explicitly laid out.


*rolls eyes*

Dash_Harber posted...
- The fact that its one rumor among many, but seemingly the only one people here cared to comment on.


Probably because it's the rumor that was mentioned in the topic title?

Dash_Harber posted...
- The fact that people are arguing that including it as a character trait is bad 'because it adds nothing to the story' (this is what you were initially arguing before that was pointed out to be a stupid argument)


You saying it's a stupid argument doesn't make it so.

Maybe those four huge red flags were just coincidences. I could be wrong.


Coincidences towards what, exactly?

You know, for someone who thinks Lando is a side character who didn't mean much, this is a really weird thing to get so upset about.
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Dash_Harber
04/17/18 12:08:34 AM
#54:


Swagnificent119 posted...

Me bringing up that this is a kids movie was to show how stupid your comparison to adult action movies was. Even then, it is fucking weird for it to be brought up in either capacity. (and just having a romance isn't the same fucking thing)


I don't think you understand the comparison. It doesn't matter whether it's sex or the character's favorite hat, there are gratuitous character traits added into movies all the time. I really can't make it any clearer than that.

Swagnificent119 posted...

*rolls eyes*


It's okay, I'll translate; "I got nothing".

Swagnificent119 posted...

Probably because it's the rumor that was mentioned in the topic title?


Actually, the original video was actually multiple rumors, and the topic title referred to that.

Swagnificent119 posted...

You saying it's a stupid argument doesn't make it so.


No, what makes it a stupid argument is that complaining about characters being fleshed out is the equivalent of complaining that they gave you extra sprinkles on your ice cream. Adding character traits is unanimously a good thing, and complaining about the character's not being 2 dimensional enough comes off as incredibly dense.

Swagnificent119 posted...
Coincidences towards what, exactly?


That it really looks like you are just mad at the very idea that a character might be gay.

Swagnificent119 posted...
You know, for someone who thinks Lando is a side character who didn't mean much, this is a really weird thing to get so upset about.


What? First, I'm not upset. Second, I don't really care whether he is or not, I was criticizing the response to the news ,which has been almost entirely, "oh, that doesn't add to the story, so therefore it's pandering!" despite the fact that an important part of building any story (book, movie, or otherwise) is creating believable characters who have more traits than just, "is a plot device to continue the story".
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itachi15243
04/17/18 12:13:51 AM
#55:


I don't really care. StarWars is pretty much just dead to me now.
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thronedfire2
04/17/18 12:14:40 AM
#56:


holy shit this topic is pathetic
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Swagnificent119
04/17/18 12:14:44 AM
#57:


Dash_Harber posted...
I don't think you understand the comparison. It doesn't matter whether it's sex or the character's favorite hat, there are gratuitous character traits added into movies all the time. I really can't make it any clearer than that.


And it's a dumb comparison. Get over it.

It's okay, I'll translate; "I got nothing".


That's exactly what this kind of argument is, nothing. He is portrayed as a womanizer, he flirts with Leia, he never shows any interest in guys or aliens or anything else. But yeah, he didn't say he was straight so nope, it wasn't established.

It's dumb, hence me rolling my eyes at your shitty argument.

Actually, the original video was actually multiple rumors, and the topic title referred to that.


How about you read post 1, again? You know, this part in spoilers?

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
Especially that rumor that Lando is going to be suggested as being LGBTQ


No, what makes it a stupid argument is that complaining about characters being fleshed out is the equivalent of complaining that they gave you extra sprinkles on your ice cream. Adding character traits is unanimously a good thing, and complaining about the character's not being 2 dimensional enough comes off as incredibly dense.


The way it is explained in the rumor is that it *isn't* fleshing him out, though. It's just a new thing thrown in for no reason that had no establishment in any of his previous incarnations. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Dash_Harber posted...
That it really looks like you are just mad at the very idea that a character might be gay.


Oh, right, because you just need a reason to cry bigot like I said earlier.

Grow up, I'm done with this argument.
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Dash_Harber
04/17/18 12:17:16 AM
#58:


Swagnificent119 posted...
Grow up, I'm done with this argument.


You know what? That's probably for the best. You come off as completely intolerable and woefully obnoxious, so I'll just leave it at that.
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RuffledPeanuts
04/18/18 12:16:49 PM
#59:


dib153 posted...
Uhm...I really wouldn't be surprised if lando swing swung swangs all types of ways

iClockwork posted...
Why does his sexual orientation need to be expressed at all is the question.

I agree with both of these posts (To a degree). He doesn't necessarily need to have his sexual orientation expressed in this movie but there has always been romance in Star Wars so I wouldn't be upset if he had a male romantic partner (If they actually wrote it properly). Just don't do what they did with Rose/Finn and make it an out-of-the-blue romance with barely any plot to it.
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iClockwork
04/18/18 2:28:29 PM
#60:


RuffledPeanuts posted...
there has always been romance in Star Wars

Between main characters not side characters. Why didn't Lando have a love interest in the original trilogy?

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Tyranthraxus
04/18/18 2:30:17 PM
#61:


Han Solo: "I love you."
Lando Calrissian: " I know."
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Second_Chances
04/18/18 2:35:35 PM
#62:


isn't there a character whose name is Crazy McScissorpunch or something
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kuwab0
04/18/18 2:52:59 PM
#63:


iClockwork posted...
RuffledPeanuts posted...
there has always been romance in Star Wars

Between main characters not side characters. Why didn't Lando have a love interest in the original trilogy?


Lobot
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The_Ivory_Man
04/18/18 2:53:27 PM
#64:


RuffledPeanuts posted...
dib153 posted...
Uhm...I really wouldn't be surprised if lando swing swung swangs all types of ways

iClockwork posted...
Why does his sexual orientation need to be expressed at all is the question.

I agree with both of these posts (To a degree). He doesn't necessarily need to have his sexual orientation expressed in this movie but there has always been romance in Star Wars so I wouldn't be upset if he had a male romantic partner (If they actually wrote it properly). Just don't do what they did with Rose/Finn and make it an out-of-the-blue romance with barely any plot to it.


There are like four on screen romantic couples
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ASithLord7
04/18/18 3:08:42 PM
#65:


Lando has had girlfriends so hes probably not gay. But him fucking with both men and women would be incredibly unsurprising
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EvalAngell
04/18/18 3:11:57 PM
#66:


why does Lando need a sexual orientation at all? can't he just be the cool black guy? And leave it at that?
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Questionmarktarius
04/18/18 3:15:24 PM
#67:


Suddenly, Lobot makes a hell of a lot more sense.
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darkjedilink
04/18/18 3:17:32 PM
#68:


Dash_Harber posted...
iClockwork posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Honestly, that wouldn't make much of a difference to me. He was a cool character, but he is pretty much the definition of an unimportant side character.

Why does his sexual orientation need to be expressed at all is the question.

Because, realistically, heterosexuality has basically been demonstrated by at least one character per movie since the dawn of cinema, often gratuitously without anyone complaining, so maybe we shouldn't focus on what a movie 'needs' to do.

Seriously, it's 2018, either realize that nothing about movies is necessarily, or just accept that maybe that sort of thinking is just thinly veiled homophobia.

If a NEW character was introduced as non-cis, that's not a problem at all.

Changing the sexuality of already-established characters is stupid, pointless, and only serves to piss off prospective viewers.

And Lando has always been cis.
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Romulox28
04/18/18 3:18:54 PM
#69:


Second_Chances posted...
isn't there a character whose name is Crazy McScissorpunch or something

lmao
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Questionmarktarius
04/18/18 3:19:43 PM
#70:


darkjedilink posted...
Changing the sexuality of already-established characters is stupid, pointless, and only serves to piss off prospective viewers.

Did we ever see Lando really do anything relevant, apart from briefly eyeballing Leia?
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darkjedilink
04/18/18 3:19:48 PM
#71:


iClockwork posted...
RuffledPeanuts posted...
there has always been romance in Star Wars

Between main characters not side characters. Why didn't Lando have a love interest in the original trilogy?


Uhhh, he was gaming on Leia like a mofo...
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darkjedilink
04/18/18 3:21:03 PM
#72:


Questionmarktarius posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Changing the sexuality of already-established characters is stupid, pointless, and only serves to piss off prospective viewers.

Did we ever see Lando really do anything relevant, apart from briefly eyeballing Leia?

Lol, 'breifly eyeballing.' Literally every scene they shared before Vader's reveal had him mackin' Leia hardcore.
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AlecSkorpio
04/18/18 3:25:10 PM
#73:


I think this whole thing sounds dumb as fuck
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Im_JustMe0129
04/18/18 3:25:29 PM
#74:


D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
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Especially that rumor that Lando is going to be suggested as being LGBTQ

Nope...no. I will not sit through another politicized, SJW agenda driven Star Wars.....sorry, I meant SJW Wars.
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Giant_Aspirin
04/18/18 3:29:28 PM
#75:


darkjedilink posted...
And Lando has always been cis.


nothing in the source material definitively says that he doesn't swing both ways. we only know that he likes women, but he could also like men.
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Questionmarktarius
04/18/18 3:31:39 PM
#76:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
darkjedilink posted...
And Lando has always been cis.


nothing in the source material definitively says that he doesn't swing both ways. we only know that he likes women, but he could also like men.

and, he could be doing those pig guys in the basement.
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iPhone_7
04/18/18 3:46:15 PM
#77:


Dash_Harber posted...
D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
Especially that rumor that Lando is going to be suggested as being LGBTQ


Honestly, that wouldn't make much of a difference to me. He was a cool character, but he is pretty much the definition of an unimportant side character.


He sold out his friend & his friends group to the Empire to protect his city. (Resulting in Luke not finishing his Jedi training and Han being frozen & taken to Jabba The Hutt). He was also the one to lead a squad to the core of the Death Star 2 to destroy it.

- Without a character like him the second half of Empire Strikes Back would have been drastically different
- The first third of Return of the Jedi would have been drastically different
- And the Death Star 2s destruction would have been different because they sure as hell are not gonna give the role solely to Nien Nunb (who actually is an unimportant side character)
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GeneralKenobi85
04/18/18 4:00:18 PM
#78:


iPhone_7 posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
Especially that rumor that Lando is going to be suggested as being LGBTQ


Honestly, that wouldn't make much of a difference to me. He was a cool character, but he is pretty much the definition of an unimportant side character.


He sold out his friend & his friends group to the Empire to protect his city. (Resulting in Luke not finishing his Jedi training and Han being frozen & taken to Jabba The Hutt). He was also the one to lead a squad to the core of the Death Star 2 to destroy it.

- Without a character like him the second half of Empire Strikes Back would have been drastically different
- The first third of Return of the Jedi would have been drastically different
- And the Death Star 2s destruction would have been different because they sure as hell are not gonna give the role solely to Nien Nunb (who actually is an unimportant side character)

If only Nien Nunb got his chance to shine. Maybe one day.
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EvalAngell
04/18/18 4:02:09 PM
#79:


iPhone_7 posted...
they sure as hell are not gonna give the role solely to Nien Nunb (who actually is an unimportant side character)


you take that back. Nien Nunb is one of the few surviving Resistance members following TLJ. Dude is a WARRIOR.
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prince_leo
04/18/18 4:04:43 PM
#80:


I can buy that he's bi. even in the OT, Lando was totally a dom with Lobot and fucking Nien Nunb on the side
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Ulyanyx
04/18/18 4:07:06 PM
#81:


Dash_Harber posted...
iClockwork posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Honestly, that wouldn't make much of a difference to me. He was a cool character, but he is pretty much the definition of an unimportant side character.

Why does his sexual orientation need to be expressed at all is the question.

Because, realistically, heterosexuality has basically been demonstrated by at least one character per movie since the dawn of cinema, often gratuitously without anyone complaining, so maybe we shouldn't focus on what a movie 'needs' to do.

Seriously, it's 2018, either realize that nothing about movies is necessarily, or just accept that maybe that sort of thinking is just thinly veiled homophobia.


so something that is natural for the human race to continue (heterosexuality) since the dawn of time is wrong to be shown, and it's homophobic to say otherwise?

low iq bait
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Questionmarktarius
04/18/18 4:07:37 PM
#82:


prince_leo posted...
I can buy that he's bi. even in the OT, Lando was totally a dom with Lobot and fucking Nien Nunb on the side

Typical Cloud City divorce:
"You were cheating on me with Lando?"
"So were you!!"
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SpiralDrift
04/18/18 5:35:56 PM
#83:


People make fun of Star Trek fans for drawn out and pointless debates but this is on a whole other level of dweebdom.
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AvantgardeAClue
04/18/18 5:38:54 PM
#84:


Dash_Harber posted...
D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
Especially that rumor that Lando is going to be suggested as being LGBTQ


Honestly, that wouldn't make much of a difference to me. He was a cool character, but he is pretty much the definition of an unimportant side character.


Literally a Rebel general who blows up the second Death Star tho
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DarkBuster22904
04/18/18 6:05:19 PM
#85:


darkjedilink posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Changing the sexuality of already-established characters is stupid, pointless, and only serves to piss off prospective viewers.

Did we ever see Lando really do anything relevant, apart from briefly eyeballing Leia?

Lol, 'breifly eyeballing.' Literally every scene they shared before Vader's reveal had him mackin' Leia hardcore.

Which is like 2 scenes for a collective 20 seconds and 2 lines of dialogue.

That said, sigh. Why are they doing this? Not because I can't see lando being bi. I can. It sort of works. But because I can't think of a single time in history where altering a established character's race, sex, or orientation has actually been received favorably. Every time it's done, there's a shitshow.

"Oh, but technically it's not altering-" piss off. If you'd been asked before these rumors whether lando was straight or not, you would have said yes. Its altering de facto, no matter how many hairs you split.

You know where there's almost never a shitsjow these days? New characters.

You'd think they'd recognize this movie is gonna have a hard enough time connecting with an underwhelmed, uninterested audience, without pulling the trick scientifically proven to piss off fans the most.
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ASithLord7
04/18/18 11:11:37 PM
#86:


DarkBuster22904 posted...
That said, sigh. Why are they doing this? Not because I can't see lando being bi. I can. It sort of works. But because I can't think of a single time in history where altering a established character's race, sex, or orientation has actually been received favorably. Every time it's done, there's a shitshow.

How would making him bi alter his established orientation? He has no established orientation. He's attracted to Leia, he doesn't fucking say he doesn't like men. You realize bi people like women right?
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ASithLord7
04/18/18 11:13:14 PM
#87:


Also while I know the Lobot posts are (mostly) a joke, he's been in love with a woman in the past so he's not gay, and by the time of Empire his implants are in complete control of him, so he's more droid than man, and Lando being his top would uhh, not be very consensual.
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DarkBuster22904
04/18/18 11:19:55 PM
#88:


ASithLord7 posted...
DarkBuster22904 posted...
That said, sigh. Why are they doing this? Not because I can't see lando being bi. I can. It sort of works. But because I can't think of a single time in history where altering a established character's race, sex, or orientation has actually been received favorably. Every time it's done, there's a shitshow.

How would making him bi alter his established orientation? He has no established orientation. He's attracted to Leia, he doesn't fucking say he doesn't like men. You realize bi people like women right?

DarkBuster22904 posted...
"Oh, but technically it's not altering-" piss off. If you'd been asked before these rumors whether lando was straight or not, you would have said yes. Its altering de facto, no matter how many hairs you split.

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JordanPeterson
04/18/18 11:20:30 PM
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prince_leo
04/18/18 11:24:07 PM
#90:


DarkBuster22904 posted...
DarkBuster22904 posted...
"Oh, but technically it's not altering-" piss off. If you'd been asked before these rumors whether lando was straight or not, you would have said yes. Its altering de facto, no matter how many hairs you split.

lol
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dave_is_slick
04/18/18 11:32:36 PM
#91:


Dash_Harber posted...
Swagnificent119 posted...
Grow up, I'm done with this argument.


You know what? That's probably for the best. You come off as completely intolerable and woefully obnoxious, so I'll just leave it at that.

You were looking in the mirror when you typed that right?
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Questionmarktarius
04/18/18 11:34:42 PM
#92:


ASithLord7 posted...
Also while I know the Lobot posts are (mostly) a joke, he's been in love with a woman in the past so he's not gay, and by the time of Empire his implants are in complete control of him, so he's more droid than man, and Lando being his top would uhh, not be very consensual.

Who says Lando's the top?

At any rate, it's Disney's franchise to shit all over, so your only real options are to be pissed off, roll with it, or just make sarcastic jokes.
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DarkBuster22904
04/18/18 11:40:21 PM
#93:


prince_leo posted...
DarkBuster22904 posted...
DarkBuster22904 posted...
"Oh, but technically it's not altering-" piss off. If you'd been asked before these rumors whether lando was straight or not, you would have said yes. Its altering de facto, no matter how many hairs you split.

lol

Whatever, dude. I don't even care about whether they make him bi or not. I'm just saying, a week ago, not a person alive would have said he was. There was nothing precluding it, I guess, but equally there was absolutely nothing indicating it, canon or not, in 40 years of character history.

And when the only metric by which you judge whether a character might be bi is "x character didn't have a scene where he expressly indicates he's repulsed by the D," then I daresay almost every character ter in fiction could technically be bi. Doesn't mean they are.

That's why I say it's an alteration rather than a revelation. Just because nothing precludes it doesn't mean it doesn't come out of absolutely nowhere
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Skye Reynolds
04/18/18 11:45:51 PM
#94:


I totally believe he was written as a gay character back in 1982. This totally isn't a retcon or anything.
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iPhone_7
04/18/18 11:51:40 PM
#95:


Second_Chances posted...
isn't there a character whose name is Crazy McScissorpunch or something

This lobster alien is going to ruin Solo the same way Prune Face ruined Return of the Jedi.
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prince_leo
04/18/18 11:54:12 PM
#96:


DarkBuster22904 posted...
I'm just saying, a week ago, not a person alive would have said he was.

you're right, but that's only because we assume pretty much every character is straight
you saying "piss off because you assumed something that is the majority" just isn't a retort to the idea that nothing said he wasn't
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ProfessorKukui
04/18/18 11:54:27 PM
#97:


I believe it.
After wearing Han's clothes in Empire...
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BruceWayneJr
04/18/18 11:58:09 PM
#98:


I'm looking forward to laughing at the media and fanboy reaction, regardless of what happens with the movie.
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Ivynn
04/19/18 12:00:31 AM
#99:


SpiralDrift posted...
That whole milking the teet thing was just a metaphor for milking the franchise for all it's worth.

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ASithLord7
04/19/18 12:08:22 AM
#100:


Questionmarktarius posted...
ASithLord7 posted...
Also while I know the Lobot posts are (mostly) a joke, he's been in love with a woman in the past so he's not gay, and by the time of Empire his implants are in complete control of him, so he's more droid than man, and Lando being his top would uhh, not be very consensual.

Who says Lando's the top?

At any rate, it's Disney's franchise to shit all over, so your only real options are to be pissed off, roll with it, or just make sarcastic jokes.

People earlier in the topic. Top or bottom it wouldn't be consensual.

And Disney has nothing to do with how Star Wars is written.
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