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Balrog0 04/13/18 10:16:56 AM #1:	https://nypost.com/2018/04/11/science-proves-communism-makes-nations-poorer-and-less-healthy/ Researchers testing historical connections between cultures found that whether a country had been under communism was the biggest factor for those with lower health, income and educational levels. In the first undertaking of its kind, they analyzed the fortunes of 44 countries across Europe and Asia and looked at geography, religion, systems of government and a more intangible quality called deep cultural ancestry. Writing in the journal Royal Society Open Science, they matched these factors against where they ranked on the United Nations Human Development Index, which measures per-capita income, life expectancy at birth and the number of years its citizens spend in education. Most of the issues they looked at appeared to have little or no effect on the disparities between the countries, except for Islamic countries scoring a little worse on education. Instead, the single strongest predictor for a countrys health, and the second-strongest for its wealth, turned out to be whether its rulers had embraced communism. The study said that after World War II, economic growth in Communist Eastern Europe was slower than in the West, but despite the Soviet Unions collapse almost 30 years ago, the effects are still being felt. only those weren't real communist countries and the west interfered with them either way --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:899582525] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>https://nypost.com/2018/04/11/science-proves-communism-makes-nations-poorer-and-less-healthy/ Researchers testing historical connections between cultures found that whether a country had been under communism was the biggest factor for those with lower health, income and educational levels. In the first undertaking of its kind, they analyzed the fortunes of 44 countries across Europe and Asia and looked at geography, religion, systems of government and a more intangible quality called deep cultural ancestry. Writing in the journal Royal Society Open Science, they matched these factors against where they ranked on the United Nations Human Development Index, which measures per-capita income, life expectancy at birth and the number of years its citizens spend in education. Most of the issues they looked at appeared to have little or no effect on the disparities between the countries, except for Islamic countries scoring a little worse on education. Instead, the single strongest predictor for a countrys health, and the second-strongest for its wealth, turned out to be whether its rulers had embraced communism. The study said that after World War II, economic growth in Communist Eastern Europe was slower than in the West, but despite the Soviet Unions collapse almost 30 years ago, the effects are still being felt. only those weren't real communist countries and the west interfered with them either way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thrashmetal14 04/13/18 10:17:55 AM #2:	This is obvious to anyone with a decent understanding of history <cite>thrashmetal14 posted [p:899582571] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>This is obvious to anyone with a decent understanding of history</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/13/18 10:18:16 AM #3:	inb4 "they just haven't tried the right kind of communism!" But yeah, absolutely unsurprising. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899582585] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>inb4 "they just haven't tried the right kind of communism!" But yeah, absolutely unsurprising.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/13/18 10:18:28 AM #4:	Balrog0 posted... The study said that after World War II, economic growth in Communist Eastern Europe was slower than in the West, but despite the Soviet Unions collapse almost 30 years ago, the effects are still being felt. Seems a bit disingenuous to attribute Russia's failings to communism, given the way life expectancy dropped significantly during the 90s after the Soviet Union fell --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:899582595] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>The study said that after World War II, economic growth in Communist Eastern Europe was slower than in the West, but despite the Soviet Unions collapse almost 30 years ago, the effects are still being felt. </quote> Seems a bit disingenuous to attribute Russia's failings to communism, given the way life expectancy dropped significantly during the 90s after the Soviet Union fell</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 04/13/18 10:19:58 AM #5:	Antifar posted... Balrog0 posted... The study said that after World War II, economic growth in Communist Eastern Europe was slower than in the West, but despite the Soviet Unions collapse almost 30 years ago, the effects are still being felt. Seems a bit disingenuous to attribute Russia's failings to communism, given the way life expectancy dropped significantly during the 90s after the Soviet Union fell Literally because of Communism. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:899582656] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>The study said that after World War II, economic growth in Communist Eastern Europe was slower than in the West, but despite the Soviet Unions collapse almost 30 years ago, the effects are still being felt. </quote> Seems a bit disingenuous to attribute Russia's failings to communism, given the way life expectancy dropped significantly during the 90s after the Soviet Union fell</quote> Literally because of Communism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Newhopes 04/13/18 10:22:02 AM #6:	Antifar posted... Balrog0 posted... The study said that after World War II, economic growth in Communist Eastern Europe was slower than in the West, but despite the Soviet Unions collapse almost 30 years ago, the effects are still being felt. Seems a bit disingenuous to attribute Russia's failings to communism, given the way life expectancy dropped significantly during the 90s after the Soviet Union fell That was the affect effects of communism and the collapse, it wasn't really until the early 2000's when Putin came to power that things really started to turn around in Russia. <cite>Newhopes posted [p:899582732] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>The study said that after World War II, economic growth in Communist Eastern Europe was slower than in the West, but despite the Soviet Unions collapse almost 30 years ago, the effects are still being felt. </quote> Seems a bit disingenuous to attribute Russia's failings to communism, given the way life expectancy dropped significantly during the 90s after the Soviet Union fell</quote> That was the affect effects of communism and the collapse, it wasn't really until the early 2000's when Putin came to power that things really started to turn around in Russia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/13/18 10:22:23 AM #7:	Antifar posted... Seems a bit disingenuous to attribute Russia's failings to communism, given the way life expectancy dropped significantly during the 90s after the Soviet Union fell life expectancy at birth uniformly went up in 'iron curtain' countries in the 90s, but some of that trend starts prior to the fall of said curtain Im not gonna pretend to be an expert though --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:899582757] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Seems a bit disingenuous to attribute Russia's failings to communism, given the way life expectancy dropped significantly during the 90s after the Soviet Union fell</quote> life expectancy at birth uniformly went up in 'iron curtain' countries in the 90s, but some of that trend starts prior to the fall of said curtain Im not gonna pretend to be an expert though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
awesome999 04/13/18 10:26:01 AM #8:	big fucking surprise --- When it's kids, it's "bullying" but if it were adults, it's stalking, harassment, assault, criminal threats and just general abuse. -Tmk <cite>awesome999 posted [p:899582921] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>big fucking surprise</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foreveraIone 04/13/18 10:26:46 AM #10:	but real communism has neve- --- https://i.imgur.com/aVTScxQ.jpg Always. Edgy. <cite>foreveraIone posted [p:899582954] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>but real communism has neve-</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coolboy11 04/13/18 10:28:13 AM #11:	most communist states were backwaters (economically) before they underwent Marxism though. --- Sigs are boring <cite>coolboy11 posted [p:899583025] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>most communist states were backwaters (economically) before they underwent Marxism though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Newhopes 04/13/18 10:29:58 AM #12:	Balrog0 posted... Antifar posted... Seems a bit disingenuous to attribute Russia's failings to communism, given the way life expectancy dropped significantly during the 90s after the Soviet Union fell life expectancy at birth uniformly went up in 'iron curtain' countries in the 90s, but some of that trend starts prior to the fall of said curtain Im not gonna pretend to be an expert though Behind the iron curtain life expectancy was going up but at a slower pace compared to the west, after the wall came down they all had a sharp decline from the late 80's to around the mid 90's when it started to rise again. <cite>Newhopes posted [p:899583092] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Seems a bit disingenuous to attribute Russia's failings to communism, given the way life expectancy dropped significantly during the 90s after the Soviet Union fell</quote> life expectancy at birth uniformly went up in 'iron curtain' countries in the 90s, but some of that trend starts prior to the fall of said curtain Im not gonna pretend to be an expert though</quote> Behind the iron curtain life expectancy was going up but at a slower pace compared to the west, after the wall came down they all had a sharp decline from the late 80's to around the mid 90's when it started to rise again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/13/18 10:33:54 AM #13:	Newhopes posted... Behind the iron curtain life expectancy was going up but at a slower pace compared to the west, after the wall came down they all had a sharp decline from the late 80's to around the mid 90's when it started to rise again. it depends on which country you're talking about --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:899583261] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>Newhopes posted...</cite> <quote>Behind the iron curtain life expectancy was going up but at a slower pace compared to the west, after the wall came down they all had a sharp decline from the late 80's to around the mid 90's when it started to rise again.</quote> it depends on which country you're talking about </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 04/13/18 10:40:36 AM #14:	What about Yugoslavia and the countries that came out of it? --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:899583556] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>What about Yugoslavia and the countries that came out of it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/13/18 10:44:12 AM #15:	https://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/socialism-capitalism-bread.jpg <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:899583702] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>https://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/socialism-capitalism-bread.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FreedomEtrtment 04/15/18 4:54:00 AM #16:	lol <cite>FreedomEtrtment posted [p:899683837] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 04/15/18 5:07:15 AM #17:	Questionmarktarius posted... https://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/socialism-capitalism-bread.jpg Okay. That's actually got a laugh out of me. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:899684051] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>https://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/socialism-capitalism-bread.jpg</quote> Okay. That's actually got a laugh out of me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JBaLLEN66 04/15/18 5:30:51 AM #18:	Newhopes posted... Antifar posted... Balrog0 posted... The study said that after World War II, economic growth in Communist Eastern Europe was slower than in the West, but despite the Soviet Unions collapse almost 30 years ago, the effects are still being felt. Seems a bit disingenuous to attribute Russia's failings to communism, given the way life expectancy dropped significantly during the 90s after the Soviet Union fell That was the affect effects of communism and the collapse, it wasn't really until the early 2000's when Putin came to power that things really started to turn around in Russia. Lmao nothing has turned around in Russia --- Him being greedy is a good thing. That means he'll want to spend less and help us get out of this debt. Gamefreak36 <cite>JBaLLEN66 posted [p:899684429] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>Newhopes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>The study said that after World War II, economic growth in Communist Eastern Europe was slower than in the West, but despite the Soviet Unions collapse almost 30 years ago, the effects are still being felt. </quote> Seems a bit disingenuous to attribute Russia's failings to communism, given the way life expectancy dropped significantly during the 90s after the Soviet Union fell</quote> That was the affect effects of communism and the collapse, it wasn't really until the early 2000's when Putin came to power that things really started to turn around in Russia.</quote> Lmao nothing has turned around in Russia</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JBaLLEN66 04/15/18 5:31:21 AM #19:	coolboy11 posted... most communist states were backwaters (economically) before they underwent Marxism though. This --- Him being greedy is a good thing. That means he'll want to spend less and help us get out of this debt. Gamefreak36 <cite>JBaLLEN66 posted [p:899684436] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>coolboy11 posted...</cite> <quote>most communist states were backwaters (economically) before they underwent Marxism though.</quote> This</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 04/15/18 5:35:19 AM #20:	I think, statistically speaking, the Soviet Union is probably going to weight the stats pretty heavily. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:899684505] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>I think, statistically speaking, the Soviet Union is probably going to weight the stats pretty heavily.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Oatcakes 04/15/18 6:17:05 AM #22:	byron posted... Spooking posted... Not good news for a possible 2020 presidential candidate. Universal healthcare = communism? Lol Why do people think people being in debt due to healthcare is a good thing? Like, why? --- F.C. Stokalona http://i.imgur.com/CJ0dPBq.jpg <cite>Oatcakes posted [p:899685165] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>byron posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>Not good news for a possible 2020 presidential candidate. </quote> Universal healthcare = communism? Lol</quote> Why do people think people being in debt due to healthcare is a good thing? Like, why?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NOM 04/15/18 6:18:29 AM #23:	Da. --- I dream broken dreams I make them come true <cite>NOM posted [p:899685186] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>Da.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeldaMutant 04/15/18 6:54:10 AM #24:	Of course capitalism is going to outperform communism when you consider (basically) only Europe. They're the winners of capitalism. I wonder how the results would look if you also looked Africa, Latin America, Middle East and Southeast Asia, the poor countries of the capitalist system. (Would have to add NA, Japan, Aus+NZ to be fair of course) --- 96065 <cite>ZeldaMutant posted [p:899685735] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>Of course capitalism is going to outperform communism when you consider (basically) only Europe. They're the winners of capitalism. I wonder how the results would look if you also looked Africa, Latin America, Middle East and Southeast Asia, the poor countries of the capitalist system. (Would have to add NA, Japan, Aus+NZ to be fair of course)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrettyBoyFloyd 04/15/18 8:08:54 AM #25:	You'll eat what we provide or tell you to eat. --- The Evil Republicans - Est.2004 - WoT [Government Destabilizing Branch] <cite>PrettyBoyFloyd posted [p:899686901] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>You'll eat what we provide or tell you to eat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/15/18 8:11:04 AM #26:	Balrog0 posted... science-proves facedesk --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:899686937] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>science-proves</quote> facedesk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
omega cookie 04/15/18 8:34:32 AM #27:	In other news, water is wet. --- FFRK: BRKB - Eiko - Guardian Mog FFBE: 885,063,087 - Orlandeau - 931 ATK <cite>omega cookie posted [p:899687369] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>In other news, water is wet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 04/15/18 8:36:06 AM #28:	Well yeah, they equally share poorness and bad health --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. http://i.imgtc.com/tHc3mIo.png http://i.imgtc.com/PYxw8Lm.png <cite>Irony posted [p:899687399] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>Well yeah, they equally share poorness and bad health</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 04/15/18 8:49:28 AM #29:	Balrog0 posted... only those weren't real communist countries Maybe after the 20th time of trying communism people would figure out there's something intrinsically wrong with it and not just "oh you haven't tried REAL communism". Bitch, that is real communism. That's how it looks in the real world. <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:899687645] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote> only those weren't real communist countries</quote> Maybe after the 20th time of trying communism people would figure out there's something intrinsically wrong with it and not just "oh you haven't tried REAL communism". Bitch, that is real communism. That's how it looks in the real world.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 04/15/18 12:43:05 PM #30:	ZeldaMutant posted... Of course capitalism is going to outperform communism when you consider (basically) only Europe. They're the winners of capitalism. I wonder how the results would look if you also looked Africa, Latin America, Middle East and Southeast Asia, the poor countries of the capitalist system. (Would have to add NA, Japan, Aus+NZ to be fair of course) Almost none of those countries are capitalist. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:899695972] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZeldaMutant posted...</cite> <quote>Of course capitalism is going to outperform communism when you consider (basically) only Europe. They're the winners of capitalism. I wonder how the results would look if you also looked Africa, Latin America, Middle East and Southeast Asia, the poor countries of the capitalist system. (Would have to add NA, Japan, Aus+NZ to be fair of course)</quote> Almost none of those countries are capitalist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FreedomEtrtment 04/17/18 6:15:28 AM #31:	What a surprise <cite>FreedomEtrtment posted [p:899800465] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>What a surprise</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FreedomEtrtment 04/19/18 5:38:54 AM #32:	What a surprise <cite>FreedomEtrtment posted [p:899921986] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>What a surprise</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 04/19/18 6:10:26 AM #33:	thrashmetal14 posted... This is obvious to anyone with a decent understanding of history Yup. We need that old Russian lady I was talking to the other day to spit on all those college Antifa assholes. She lived under Soviet rule for decades and had some scary stories, I tell you what. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:899922549] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>thrashmetal14 posted...</cite> <quote>This is obvious to anyone with a decent understanding of history</quote> Yup. We need that old Russian lady I was talking to the other day to spit on all those college Antifa assholes. She lived under Soviet rule for decades and had some scary stories, I tell you what.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IHeartRadiation 04/19/18 6:12:47 AM #34:	What was the name of that game where you have to manage a Communist country by having your police censor books? Or were you the people being oppressed by Communism? I don't know. --- I don't get it either. <cite>IHeartRadiation posted [p:899922584] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>What was the name of that game where you have to manage a Communist country by having your police censor books? Or were you the people being oppressed by Communism? I don't know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 04/19/18 7:50:58 AM #35:	I am shocked and appalled --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:899924685] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>I am shocked and appalled</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 04/19/18 8:26:32 AM #36:	Boiling it down to just the economic system used ignores a wide variety of factors that influenced the failure of the Second World. --- <cite>Garioshi posted [p:899925626] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>Boiling it down to just the economic system used ignores a wide variety of factors that influenced the failure of the Second World.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/19/18 10:04:19 AM #37:	IHeartRadiation posted... What was the name of that game where you have to manage a Communist country by having your police censor books? Or were you the people being oppressed by Communism? I don't know. Papers please? --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:899928972] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>IHeartRadiation posted...</cite> <quote>What was the name of that game where you have to manage a Communist country by having your police censor books? Or were you the people being oppressed by Communism? I don't know.</quote> Papers please?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FreedomEtrtment 04/21/18 6:03:24 AM #38:	Is it really a surprise? <cite>FreedomEtrtment posted [p:900038391] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>Is it really a surprise?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 04/23/18 6:23:46 AM #40:	Balrog0 posted... IHeartRadiation posted... What was the name of that game where you have to manage a Communist country by having your police censor books? Or were you the people being oppressed by Communism? I don't know. Papers please? We don't have any peppers --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. http://i.imgtc.com/tHc3mIo.png http://i.imgtc.com/PYxw8Lm.png <cite>Irony posted [p:900144746] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IHeartRadiation posted...</cite> <quote>What was the name of that game where you have to manage a Communist country by having your police censor books? Or were you the people being oppressed by Communism? I don't know.</quote> Papers please?</quote> We don't have any peppers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 04/25/18 9:42:58 AM #43:	are we doing koans now? what is the sound of one hand clapping --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:900272328] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>are we doing koans now? what is the sound of one hand clapping</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/25/18 9:43:16 AM #44:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6YSfEKMeC8" data-time=" --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:900272339] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6YSfEKMeC8" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 04/25/18 9:44:34 AM #45:	True Star Trek Communism has never been achieved --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:900272388] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>True Star Trek Communism has never been achieved</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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StarLightGlimmR 04/25/18 10:00:33 AM #47:	The Admiral posted... inb4 "they just haven't tried the right kind of communism!" But yeah, absolutely unsurprising. <cite>StarLightGlimmR posted [p:900273087] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>inb4 "they just haven't tried the right kind of communism!" But yeah, absolutely unsurprising.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLUFFYGERM 04/25/18 10:21:44 AM #49:	No one is surprised by this. It is well documented that socialism and communism collapse economies and force everyone into poverty. When socialists demand equality, what they really mean (as evidenced by their rhetoric and actions) is that they want everyone to be equally poor and equally starving. Communism leads only to breadlines and chaos. Socialists have attempted it so many times that anyone who is still peddling it is literally peddling the flat earth model of the economics world. Capitalism has demonstrably crushed poverty and increased the standard of living across the board. Capitalism pulls 1 billion people out of extreme poverty in under 20 years: https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21578665-nearly-1-billion-people-have-been-taken-out-extreme-poverty-20-years-world-should-aim It wasn't long ago since most of the planet was extremely poor: https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/global-povertys-defeat-capitalisms-triumph Clean and sustainable energy has never been more affordable, and the trend will continue. Private corporations are gearing up to launch the asteroid mining industry that will bring immense amounts of wealth into our economy, which means prosperity and a higher standard of living for all: http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/nasas-asteroid-mission-likely-to-uncover-mysteries-surrounding-the-origins-of-our-solar-system Cool infographic on how much wealth is waiting for us out there: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/theres-big-money-made-asteroid-mining/ Mining in space will be a boon to our environment and shared economy: https://theweek.com/articles/462830/how-asteroid-mining-could-add-trillions-world-economy --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:900273900] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote>No one is surprised by this. It is well documented that socialism and communism collapse economies and force everyone into poverty. When socialists demand equality, what they really mean (as evidenced by their rhetoric and actions) is that they want everyone to be equally poor and equally starving. Communism leads only to breadlines and chaos. Socialists have attempted it so many times that anyone who is still peddling it is literally peddling the flat earth model of the economics world. Capitalism has demonstrably crushed poverty and increased the standard of living across the board. Capitalism pulls 1 billion people out of extreme poverty in under 20 years: https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21578665-nearly-1-billion-people-have-been-taken-out-extreme-poverty-20-years-world-should-aim It wasn't long ago since most of the planet was extremely poor: https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/global-povertys-defeat-capitalisms-triumph Clean and sustainable energy has never been more affordable, and the trend will continue. Private corporations are gearing up to launch the asteroid mining industry that will bring immense amounts of wealth into our economy, which means prosperity and a higher standard of living for all: http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/nasas-asteroid-mission-likely-to-uncover-mysteries-surrounding-the-origins-of-our-solar-system Cool infographic on how much wealth is waiting for us out there: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/theres-big-money-made-asteroid-mining/ Mining in space will be a boon to our environment and shared economy: https://theweek.com/articles/462830/how-asteroid-mining-could-add-trillions-world-economy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StarLightGlimmR 04/25/18 10:23:47 AM #50:	byron posted... Spooking posted... Not good news for a possible 2020 presidential candidate. Universal healthcare = communism? Lol It's already been established that under communism, people live shorter lives and are less healthy. So much for that free healthcare lol <cite>StarLightGlimmR posted [p:900273977] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>byron posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote>Not good news for a possible 2020 presidential candidate. </quote> Universal healthcare = communism? Lol</quote> It's already been established that under communism, people live shorter lives and are less healthy. So much for that free healthcare lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/25/18 10:35:06 AM #51:	Godnorgosh posted... Balrog0 posted... are we doing koans now? what is the sound of one hand clapping The point obviously being that you're not going to convince anyone with headlines like, "Science proves communism is bad!" if that person has a different concept of what communism even is. Sure, you yourself are already convinced otherwise, but you're not going to persuade anyone who doesn't already conflate Marxism with "communist countries" (at least not without showing that drawing that equivalence makes sense). yeah, I know, that's why I thought it was a funny title Godnorgosh posted... But then again, from your first post it already seems as though you're more interested in circle-jerking with like-minded people than drawing up a compelling case to people outside the anti-communist in-group I mean, it is a bit flippant, but do you disagree that, "those weren't real communist countries and the west interfered with them either way" ? --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:900274530] in living und... [t:76513197]...</cite> <quote><cite>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>are we doing koans now? what is the sound of one hand clapping</quote> The point obviously being that you're not going to convince anyone with headlines like, "Science proves communism is bad!" if that person has a different concept of what communism even is. Sure, you yourself are already convinced otherwise, but you're not going to persuade anyone who doesn't already conflate Marxism with "communist countries" (at least not without showing that drawing that equivalence makes sense).</quote> yeah, I know, that's why I thought it was a funny title <cite>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote>But then again, from your first post it already seems as though you're more interested in circle-jerking with like-minded people than drawing up a compelling case to people outside the anti-communist in-group</quote> I mean, it is a bit flippant, but do you disagree that, "those weren't real communist countries and the west interfered with them either way" ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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