Poll of the Day > Hypothetical scenario for pro-choicers

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dainkinkaide 04/10/18 3:01:40 AM #51:	nesrtkfan posted... dainkinkaide posted... Regardless, abortion isn't murder. that's an interesting line. Suppose a woman decides to abort her pregnancy eight months in. Technically the procedure is indeed still called an abortion, however are there not other considerations involved to call it something else? If a child is that close to coming to term, but complications have arisen that necessitate the removal of the fetus from the mother, then a competent medical professional is almost certainly going to induce labor or perform a Caesarean rather than perform an abortion. After the child is born, it would be treated like any other premature birth and, if the child's health improves to the point where it can be raised outside of hospital care, it will either go home with the parent/parents or, if the parent/parents don't want the child, be put up for adoption. Your hypothetical is almost as absurd as the one in the OP. --- The problem with the internet today is that it's filled with entire generations that did not grow up with the great wisdom of the Wyld Stallyns. <cite>dainkinkaide posted [p:899387825] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>nesrtkfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dainkinkaide posted...</cite> <quote>Regardless, abortion isn't murder.</quote> that's an interesting line. Suppose a woman decides to abort her pregnancy eight months in. Technically the procedure is indeed still called an abortion, however are there not other considerations involved to call it something else?</quote> If a child is that close to coming to term, but complications have arisen that necessitate the removal of the fetus from the mother, then a competent medical professional is almost certainly going to induce labor or perform a Caesarean rather than perform an abortion. After the child is born, it would be treated like any other premature birth and, if the child's health improves to the point where it can be raised outside of hospital care, it will either go home with the parent/parents or, if the parent/parents don't want the child, be put up for adoption. Your hypothetical is almost as absurd as the one in the OP.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noop_Noop 04/10/18 3:17:35 AM #52:	LinkPizza posted... They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human. Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you. <cite>Noop_Noop posted [p:899388204] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human.</quote> Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AllstarSniper32 04/10/18 5:23:37 AM #53:	Noop_Noop posted... LinkPizza posted... They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human. Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you. I think a fetus could have better arguments than you are having in this topic. And it can't even talk, type or form thoughts. --- If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking systems, there would be a revolution before morning - Andrew Jackson <cite>AllstarSniper32 posted [p:899390649] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human.</quote> Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you.</quote> I think a fetus could have better arguments than you are having in this topic. And it can't even talk, type or form thoughts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HighwayPilot 04/10/18 5:46:56 AM #54:	So many parents would be killed... <cite>HighwayPilot posted [p:899391036] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote>So many parents would be killed...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 04/10/18 5:48:46 AM #55:	HighwayPilot posted... So many parents would be killed... I had a time machine to go back and abort Adam and Eve (who are always depicted with belly buttons, btw) and to my surprise! Neither Adam or Eve OR time machines actually exist! --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:899391063] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>HighwayPilot posted...</cite> <quote>So many parents would be killed...</quote> I had a time machine to go back and abort Adam and Eve (who are always depicted with belly buttons, btw) and to my surprise! Neither Adam or Eve OR time machines actually exist!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 04/10/18 7:08:36 AM #56:	Noop_Noop posted... LinkPizza posted... They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human. Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you. Except black people were fully developed humans. And once they figured that out, things change. But fetuses aren't fully developed humans yet. Don't act like I don't care about others when it's the other way around. You're the one trying to take away someone else's rights. --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:899392590] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human.</quote> Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you.</quote> Except black people were fully developed humans. And once they figured that out, things change. But fetuses aren't fully developed humans yet. Don't act like I don't care about others when it's the other way around. You're the one trying to take away someone else's rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 04/10/18 7:10:28 AM #57:	Noop_Noop posted... LinkPizza posted... They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human. Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you. darkknight109 posted... I mean, I've never heard a fetus complain about it, so... --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:899392640] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human.</quote> Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you.</quote> <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, I've never heard a fetus complain about it, so...</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noop_Noop 04/10/18 9:29:43 AM #58:	darkknight109 posted... Noop_Noop posted... LinkPizza posted... They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human. Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you. darkknight109 posted... I mean, I've never heard a fetus complain about it, so... Yeah and I'm sure if a put a fucking muzzle on you and beat you with a rubber hose I wouldn't hear you complain either. Again, not seeing your very very dumb point. <cite>Noop_Noop posted [p:899396418] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human.</quote> Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you.</quote> <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, I've never heard a fetus complain about it, so...</quote></quote> Yeah and I'm sure if a put a fucking muzzle on you and beat you with a rubber hose I wouldn't hear you complain either. Again, not seeing your very very dumb point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noop_Noop 04/10/18 9:34:09 AM #59:	AllstarSniper32 posted... Noop_Noop posted... LinkPizza posted... They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human. Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you. I think a fetus could have better arguments than you are having in this topic. And it can't even talk, type or form thoughts. Awwww poor little liberal got his feelers hurt so now instead of arguing (which none of you can actually do, so I get it) he's gonna try to devolve to personal attacks. Pretty typical homie. <cite>Noop_Noop posted [p:899396570] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>AllstarSniper32 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human.</quote> Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you.</quote> I think a fetus could have better arguments than you are having in this topic. And it can't even talk, type or form thoughts.</quote> Awwww poor little liberal got his feelers hurt so now instead of arguing (which none of you can actually do, so I get it) he's gonna try to devolve to personal attacks. Pretty typical homie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Noop_Noop 04/10/18 10:16:13 AM #61:	Only on the left homie <cite>Noop_Noop posted [p:899398138] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote>Only on the left homie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 04/10/18 12:44:03 PM #62:	Noop_Noop posted... darkknight109 posted... Noop_Noop posted... LinkPizza posted... They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human. Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you. darkknight109 posted... I mean, I've never heard a fetus complain about it, so... Yeah and I'm sure if a put a fucking muzzle on you and beat you with a rubber hose I wouldn't hear you complain either. Again, not seeing your very very dumb point. You probably weren't listening, then. As they would probably be complaining as you're trying to put a muzzle on them. And depending on the type of muzzle, they still may try to complain, but you didn't take the time to understand what they were saying. Weird that you're putting muzzles on fully developed humans, though... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:899405297] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human.</quote> Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you.</quote> <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, I've never heard a fetus complain about it, so...</quote></quote> Yeah and I'm sure if a put a fucking muzzle on you and beat you with a rubber hose I wouldn't hear you complain either. Again, not seeing your very very dumb point.</quote> You probably weren't listening, then. As they would probably be complaining as you're trying to put a muzzle on them. And depending on the type of muzzle, they still may try to complain, but you didn't take the time to understand what they were saying. Weird that you're putting muzzles on fully developed humans, though...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noop_Noop 04/10/18 12:51:15 PM #63:	LinkPizza posted... Noop_Noop posted... darkknight109 posted... Noop_Noop posted... LinkPizza posted... They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human. Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you. darkknight109 posted... I mean, I've never heard a fetus complain about it, so... Yeah and I'm sure if a put a fucking muzzle on you and beat you with a rubber hose I wouldn't hear you complain either. Again, not seeing your very very dumb point. You probably weren't listening, then. As they would probably be complaining as you're trying to put a muzzle on them. And depending on the type of muzzle, they still may try to complain, but you didn't take the time to understand what they were saying. Weird that you're putting muzzles on fully developed humans, though... K, so let me break this down in a manner you can wrap your little peanut around. Let's say I come and deliver a wholesale beat down while you're in a coma. You can't complain about it, and you are not conscious. Totally fair right? Since you're not verbally complaining I can just have my way with you right? Seriously, liberal mental gymnastics should be a fucking Olympic sport. <cite>Noop_Noop posted [p:899405693] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human.</quote> Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you.</quote> <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, I've never heard a fetus complain about it, so...</quote></quote> Yeah and I'm sure if a put a fucking muzzle on you and beat you with a rubber hose I wouldn't hear you complain either. Again, not seeing your very very dumb point.</quote> You probably weren't listening, then. As they would probably be complaining as you're trying to put a muzzle on them. And depending on the type of muzzle, they still may try to complain, but you didn't take the time to understand what they were saying. Weird that you're putting muzzles on fully developed humans, though...</quote> K, so let me break this down in a manner you can wrap your little peanut around. Let's say I come and deliver a wholesale beat down while you're in a coma. You can't complain about it, and you are not conscious. Totally fair right? Since you're not verbally complaining I can just have my way with you right? Seriously, liberal mental gymnastics should be a fucking Olympic sport.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 04/10/18 12:54:28 PM #64:	Noop_Noop posted... LinkPizza posted... Noop_Noop posted... darkknight109 posted... Noop_Noop posted... LinkPizza posted... They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human. Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you. darkknight109 posted... I mean, I've never heard a fetus complain about it, so... Yeah and I'm sure if a put a fucking muzzle on you and beat you with a rubber hose I wouldn't hear you complain either. Again, not seeing your very very dumb point. You probably weren't listening, then. As they would probably be complaining as you're trying to put a muzzle on them. And depending on the type of muzzle, they still may try to complain, but you didn't take the time to understand what they were saying. Weird that you're putting muzzles on fully developed humans, though... K, so let me break this down in a manner you can wrap your little peanut around. Let's say I come and deliver a wholesale beat down while you're in a coma. You can't complain about it, and you are not conscious. Totally fair right? Since you're not verbally complaining I can just have my way with you right? Seriously, liberal mental gymnastics should be a fucking Olympic sport. Nope. There are laws against that... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:899405847] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human.</quote> Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you.</quote> <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, I've never heard a fetus complain about it, so...</quote></quote> Yeah and I'm sure if a put a fucking muzzle on you and beat you with a rubber hose I wouldn't hear you complain either. Again, not seeing your very very dumb point.</quote> You probably weren't listening, then. As they would probably be complaining as you're trying to put a muzzle on them. And depending on the type of muzzle, they still may try to complain, but you didn't take the time to understand what they were saying. Weird that you're putting muzzles on fully developed humans, though...</quote> K, so let me break this down in a manner you can wrap your little peanut around. Let's say I come and deliver a wholesale beat down while you're in a coma. You can't complain about it, and you are not conscious. Totally fair right? Since you're not verbally complaining I can just have my way with you right? Seriously, liberal mental gymnastics should be a fucking Olympic sport.</quote> Nope. There are laws against that...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 04/10/18 1:01:35 PM #65:	Therefor aborted fetuses have time machines --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:899406254] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote>Therefor aborted fetuses have time machines</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noop_Noop 04/10/18 1:06:39 PM #66:	LinkPizza posted... Nope. There are laws against that... Oh, so what you are saying is that the law has absolute moral authority then, and nothing legal has ever been immoral? Good to know. For a second there I thought I was talking to an actual person with an actual desire to not be a terrible human being. <cite>Noop_Noop posted [p:899406523] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote> Nope. There are laws against that...</quote> Oh, so what you are saying is that the law has absolute moral authority then, and nothing legal has ever been immoral? Good to know. For a second there I thought I was talking to an actual person with an actual desire to not be a terrible human being.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 04/10/18 1:15:19 PM #67:	Noop_Noop posted... LinkPizza posted... Nope. There are laws against that... Oh, so what you are saying is that the law has absolute moral authority then, and nothing legal has ever been immoral? Good to know. For a second there I thought I was talking to an actual person with an actual desire to not be a terrible human being. I'm not a terrible human being. You're terrible for thinking that someone who doesn't agree with you is terrible. And for taking away a woman's right to abort if need be. Not everything has to be based on law. But you example is something that is not only illegal, it morally to a majority of people. Like mostly likely, a good chunk more than half. That's way different from abortion. Try using something closer to abortion that makes sense. --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:899407048] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote> Nope. There are laws against that...</quote> Oh, so what you are saying is that the law has absolute moral authority then, and nothing legal has ever been immoral? Good to know. For a second there I thought I was talking to an actual person with an actual desire to not be a terrible human being.</quote> I'm not a terrible human being. You're terrible for thinking that someone who doesn't agree with you is terrible. And for taking away a woman's right to abort if need be. Not everything has to be based on law. But you example is something that is not only illegal, it morally to a majority of people. Like mostly likely, a good chunk more than half. That's way different from abortion. Try using something closer to abortion that makes sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 04/10/18 1:20:52 PM #68:	Let's just state the obvious answer they keep dodging. No they would not be ok with it <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:899407380] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote>Let's just state the obvious answer they keep dodging. No they would not be ok with it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 04/10/18 1:24:23 PM #69:	@LinkPizza Read my sig. Don't bother with that poster. --- "when in the f* did i ever make claims to be anything other than a troll? seriously. name me one f*ing time." - schmen,trollpolice,noopnoop 3/5/18 <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:899407575] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote>@LinkPizza Read my sig. Don't bother with that poster.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noop_Noop 04/10/18 1:42:30 PM #70:	LinkPizza posted... Noop_Noop posted... LinkPizza posted... Nope. There are laws against that... Oh, so what you are saying is that the law has absolute moral authority then, and nothing legal has ever been immoral? Good to know. For a second there I thought I was talking to an actual person with an actual desire to not be a terrible human being. I'm not a terrible human being. You're terrible for thinking that someone who doesn't agree with you is terrible. And for taking away a woman's right to abort if need be. Not everything has to be based on law. But you example is something that is not only illegal, it morally to a majority of people. Like mostly likely, a good chunk more than half. That's way different from abortion. Try using something closer to abortion that makes sense. You believe their right to avoid inconvenience supercedes a child's right to live homie. That makes you a bad person. <cite>Noop_Noop posted [p:899408593] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote> Nope. There are laws against that...</quote> Oh, so what you are saying is that the law has absolute moral authority then, and nothing legal has ever been immoral? Good to know. For a second there I thought I was talking to an actual person with an actual desire to not be a terrible human being.</quote> I'm not a terrible human being. You're terrible for thinking that someone who doesn't agree with you is terrible. And for taking away a woman's right to abort if need be. Not everything has to be based on law. But you example is something that is not only illegal, it morally to a majority of people. Like mostly likely, a good chunk more than half. That's way different from abortion. Try using something closer to abortion that makes sense.</quote> You believe their right to avoid inconvenience supercedes a child's right to live homie. That makes you a bad person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 04/10/18 1:43:40 PM #71:	OhhhJa posted... Let's just state the obvious answer they keep dodging. No they would not be ok with it Not true for all. I already voted no. --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:899408657] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Let's just state the obvious answer they keep dodging. No they would not be ok with it</quote> Not true for all. I already voted no.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JanwayDaahl 04/10/18 4:56:26 PM #72:	Noop_Noop posted... LinkPizza posted... Noop_Noop posted... darkknight109 posted... Noop_Noop posted... LinkPizza posted... They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human. Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you. darkknight109 posted... I mean, I've never heard a fetus complain about it, so... Yeah and I'm sure if a put a fucking muzzle on you and beat you with a rubber hose I wouldn't hear you complain either. Again, not seeing your very very dumb point. You probably weren't listening, then. As they would probably be complaining as you're trying to put a muzzle on them. And depending on the type of muzzle, they still may try to complain, but you didn't take the time to understand what they were saying. Weird that you're putting muzzles on fully developed humans, though... K, so let me break this down in a manner you can wrap your little peanut around. Let's say I come and deliver a wholesale beat down while you're in a coma. You can't complain about it, and you are not conscious. Totally fair right? Since you're not verbally complaining I can just have my way with you right? Seriously, liberal mental gymnastics should be a fucking Olympic sport. They really do go through mental gymnastics. It'd be funny if it didn't have such serious consequences in various aspects of life. They either try to censor (e.g. bringing up a time paradox to skirt around the core question being asked), or they do what this guy is doing with what you're saying. --- I do not support homosexuality in any way. If you believe in Allah (swt) put this in your sig! <cite>JanwayDaahl posted [p:899419835] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>They're arenmt humans yet. That's all. They will be humans if we continue to let them grow. But if we stop it, they aren't human.</quote> Right, and so long as we can classify people as 'not human' you can justify whatever you want like slavery, murder, torture, or whatever else you want. It's a lot easier to do these sorts of mental gymnastics when deep down you don't give a fuck about people who aren't you.</quote> <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, I've never heard a fetus complain about it, so...</quote></quote> Yeah and I'm sure if a put a fucking muzzle on you and beat you with a rubber hose I wouldn't hear you complain either. Again, not seeing your very very dumb point.</quote> You probably weren't listening, then. As they would probably be complaining as you're trying to put a muzzle on them. And depending on the type of muzzle, they still may try to complain, but you didn't take the time to understand what they were saying. Weird that you're putting muzzles on fully developed humans, though...</quote> K, so let me break this down in a manner you can wrap your little peanut around. Let's say I come and deliver a wholesale beat down while you're in a coma. You can't complain about it, and you are not conscious. Totally fair right? Since you're not verbally complaining I can just have my way with you right? Seriously, liberal mental gymnastics should be a fucking Olympic sport.</quote> They really do go through mental gymnastics. It'd be funny if it didn't have such serious consequences in various aspects of life. They either try to censor (e.g. bringing up a time paradox to skirt around the core question being asked), or they do what this guy is doing with what you're saying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 04/10/18 5:05:03 PM #73:	Maybe you weren't reading everything I said. I answered earlier. I already said "No". So, you can say whatever you want, but I already said that abortion isn't murder. So, whatever... Not to mention, the conversation we were having wasn't even about the original question. It was about an tangent since I had already answered the original. --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:899420331] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote>Maybe you weren't reading everything I said. I answered earlier. I already said "No". So, you can say whatever you want, but I already said that abortion isn't murder. So, whatever... Not to mention, the conversation we were having wasn't even about the original question. It was about an tangent since I had already answered the original.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grendel 04/10/18 5:08:48 PM #74:	JanwayDaahl posted... Not sure why it was so hard for anyone else to realize this. It's not about the time paradox aspect, it's whether or not you (currently) would approve of what amounts to your own murder. The liberals here are just trying to skirt around the issue. Go figure. I answered it with a direct "no" and then you ignored my counter-question because you're a sad troll. Go figure. <cite>Grendel posted [p:899420548] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>JanwayDaahl posted...</cite> <quote>Not sure why it was so hard for anyone else to realize this. It's not about the time paradox aspect, it's whether or not you (currently) would approve of what amounts to your own murder. The liberals here are just trying to skirt around the issue. Go figure.</quote> I answered it with a direct "no" and then you ignored my counter-question because you're a sad troll. Go figure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 04/10/18 7:46:04 PM #75:	Noop_Noop posted... Yeah and I'm sure if a put a fucking muzzle on you and beat you with a rubber hose I wouldn't hear you complain either. Again, not seeing your very very dumb point. I figured it would probably be beyond you, so I guess I'll have to simplify it for you. First off, you'd be breaking the law by doing that, so your argument already has a pretty big hole in it. Second, and more to the point, in your ridiculous hypotheticals I'm not complaining because you've done something to stop me from complaining; by contrast, fetuses don't complain because they can't complain because - and stick with me here, this might get a bit difficult for you - a fetus is not a person; it's a collection of cells that may one day become a person, the same as a sperm or an egg (or, hell, if you follow that logic to its endpoint, considering one person to be an infinite number of lives because they could theoretically have trillions of descendents). And this is easy enough to prove. A person is someone who can survive as long as they have access to nourishment; by contrast, if you take a fetus out of its mother's womb, it will very quickly die, the same way her kidneys or spleen or liver would die if you removed those organs, because the fetus is part of her body at that point, not its own independent living organism. Noop_Noop posted... You believe their right to avoid inconvenience supercedes a child's right to live homie. That makes you a bad person. Just FYI, the "You're in favour of abortion because you hate babies and want convenience" argument is the equal and opposite of the "You're against abortion because you hate women and want to control their sexuality" argument, and is every bit as dumb. JanwayDaahl posted... It's not about the time paradox aspect, it's whether or not you (currently) would approve of what amounts to your own murder. But it's a really stupid setup, because you're relying on a scenario that's far detached from reality. It would be like if I posed a hypothetical "Suppose there was an alternate universe where all animals were sentient species with peaceful, productive societies that had provided innumerable cultural and scientific developments and the killing of whom was recognized as murder; would you be a vegetarian in this alternate universe?". For one, it's pretty easy to see what agenda I'm pushing, and for two I've raised the question in such a manner that precludes any possibility of debate or discussion simply by crafting my fantasy world in a way to only have one correct answer. Sound familiar? --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:899429657] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah and I'm sure if a put a fucking muzzle on you and beat you with a rubber hose I wouldn't hear you complain either. Again, not seeing your very very dumb point.</quote> I figured it would probably be beyond you, so I guess I'll have to simplify it for you. First off, you'd be breaking the law by doing that, so your argument already has a pretty big hole in it. Second, and more to the point, in your ridiculous hypotheticals I'm not complaining because you've done something to stop me from complaining; by contrast, fetuses don't complain because they can't complain because - and stick with me here, this might get a bit difficult for you - a fetus is not a person; it's a collection of cells that may one day become a person, the same as a sperm or an egg (or, hell, if you follow that logic to its endpoint, considering one person to be an infinite number of lives because they could theoretically have trillions of descendents). And this is easy enough to prove. A person is someone who can survive as long as they have access to nourishment; by contrast, if you take a fetus out of its mother's womb, it will very quickly die, the same way her kidneys or spleen or liver would die if you removed those organs, because the fetus is part of her body at that point, not its own independent living organism. <cite>Noop_Noop posted...</cite> <quote>You believe their right to avoid inconvenience supercedes a child's right to live homie. That makes you a bad person.</quote> Just FYI, the "You're in favour of abortion because you hate babies and want convenience" argument is the equal and opposite of the "You're against abortion because you hate women and want to control their sexuality" argument, and is every bit as dumb. <cite>JanwayDaahl posted...</cite> <quote>It's not about the time paradox aspect, it's whether or not you (currently) would approve of what amounts to your own murder.</quote> But it's a really stupid setup, because you're relying on a scenario that's far detached from reality. It would be like if I posed a hypothetical "Suppose there was an alternate universe where all animals were sentient species with peaceful, productive societies that had provided innumerable cultural and scientific developments and the killing of whom was recognized as murder; would you be a vegetarian in this alternate universe?". For one, it's pretty easy to see what agenda I'm pushing, and for two I've raised the question in such a manner that precludes any possibility of debate or discussion simply by crafting my fantasy world in a way to only have one correct answer. Sound familiar?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 04/10/18 7:54:55 PM #76:	darkknight109 posted... A person is someone who can survive as long as they have access to nourishment Pretty sure thats not actually the definition for a person. Are you arguing there isn't consciousness throughout the entire pregnancy because that's kinda what it sounds like? Don't get the wrong idea though. I'm perfectly fine with abortion. Women have been doing it for thousands of years before medical abortions. It's actually pretty natural as far as humanity is concerned. It's great for unfit mothers and mothers who decide the fathers are unfit. Keeps what would mostly turn out to be shitty people from being born. <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:899430175] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>A person is someone who can survive as long as they have access to nourishment</quote> Pretty sure thats not actually the definition for a person. Are you arguing there isn't consciousness throughout the entire pregnancy because that's kinda what it sounds like? Don't get the wrong idea though. I'm perfectly fine with abortion. Women have been doing it for thousands of years before medical abortions. It's actually pretty natural as far as humanity is concerned. It's great for unfit mothers and mothers who decide the fathers are unfit. Keeps what would mostly turn out to be shitty people from being born.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 04/10/18 7:59:00 PM #77:	OhhhJa posted... Are you arguing there isn't consciousness throughout the entire pregnancy because that's kinda what it sounds like? Sure am. A person needs a central nervous system to have consciousness; fetuses don't get one of those until a few months into their development. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:899430374] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Are you arguing there isn't consciousness throughout the entire pregnancy because that's kinda what it sounds like?</quote> Sure am. A person needs a central nervous system to have consciousness; fetuses don't get one of those until a few months into their development.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 04/10/18 8:02:01 PM #78:	darkknight109 posted... OhhhJa posted... Are you arguing there isn't consciousness throughout the entire pregnancy because that's kinda what it sounds like? Sure am. A person needs a central nervous system to have consciousness; fetuses don't get one of those until a few months into their development. I think you need to reread what you quoted <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:899430562] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Are you arguing there isn't consciousness throughout the entire pregnancy because that's kinda what it sounds like?</quote> Sure am. A person needs a central nervous system to have consciousness; fetuses don't get one of those until a few months into their development.</quote> I think you need to reread what you quoted</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 04/10/18 8:07:11 PM #79:	OhhhJa posted... darkknight109 posted... OhhhJa posted... Are you arguing there isn't consciousness throughout the entire pregnancy because that's kinda what it sounds like? Sure am. A person needs a central nervous system to have consciousness; fetuses don't get one of those until a few months into their development. I think you need to reread what you quoted consciousness kn(t)SHsns noun 1) the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings. "she failed to regain consciousness and died two days later" 2) the awareness or perception of something by a person. plural noun: consciousnesses "her acute consciousness of Mike's presence" 3) the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the world. "consciousness emerges from the operations of the brain" EDIT: Or are you trying to say that I'm arguing that there isn't consciousness throughout any of the pregnancy? No, obviously not, but in most places legal abortion has a time limit that roughly coincides with the development of the fetal brain to the point where it can experience a rudimentary form of consciousness, so that's kind of a moot point. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:899430904] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Are you arguing there isn't consciousness throughout the entire pregnancy because that's kinda what it sounds like?</quote> Sure am. A person needs a central nervous system to have consciousness; fetuses don't get one of those until a few months into their development.</quote> I think you need to reread what you quoted</quote> consciousness kn(t)SHsns noun 1) the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings. "she failed to regain consciousness and died two days later" 2) the awareness or perception of something by a person. plural noun: consciousnesses "her acute consciousness of Mike's presence" 3) the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the world. "consciousness emerges from the operations of the brain" EDIT: Or are you trying to say that I'm arguing that there isn't consciousness throughout any of the pregnancy? No, obviously not, but in most places legal abortion has a time limit that roughly coincides with the development of the fetal brain to the point where it can experience a rudimentary form of consciousness, so that's kind of a moot point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 04/10/18 8:22:53 PM #80:	JanwayDaahl posted... A time machine is invented for the sole purpose of allowing parents to go back in time and abort specific children that they have. How do the temporal mechanics behind it work? If the new timeline overwrites the old one then the parents would wipe out that iteration of themselves as well. If so it's suicide but not murder. On the other hand if the parents survive to replace their counterparts in the new timeline that would technically be the murder of that other version of them. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:899431853] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>JanwayDaahl posted...</cite> <quote>A time machine is invented for the sole purpose of allowing parents to go back in time and abort specific children that they have.</quote> How do the temporal mechanics behind it work? If the new timeline overwrites the old one then the parents would wipe out that iteration of themselves as well. If so it's suicide but not murder. On the other hand if the parents survive to replace their counterparts in the new timeline that would technically be the murder of that other version of them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zxJAYxz31 04/15/18 1:47:17 AM #81:	JanwayDaahl posted... A time machine is invented for the sole purpose of allowing parents to go back in time and abort specific children that they have. Your parents choose to abort you. Do you consider this to be murder/fair? Sooo... If you vote Yes then you consider it to be murder or fair. If you vote No then you do not consider it to be murder or fair. <cite>zxJAYxz31 posted [p:899679497] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>JanwayDaahl posted...</cite> <quote>A time machine is invented for the sole purpose of allowing parents to go back in time and abort specific children that they have. Your parents choose to abort you. Do you consider this to be murder/fair?</quote> Sooo... If you vote Yes then you consider it to be murder or fair. If you vote No then you do not consider it to be murder or fair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JanwayDaahl 04/15/18 2:40:23 PM #82:	zxJAYxz31 posted... JanwayDaahl posted... A time machine is invented for the sole purpose of allowing parents to go back in time and abort specific children that they have. Your parents choose to abort you. Do you consider this to be murder/fair? Sooo... If you vote Yes then you consider it to be murder or fair. If you vote No then you do not consider it to be murder or fair. The poll's question is distinct from that question. Nice try buddy. --- I do not support homosexuality in any way. If you believe in Allah (swt) put this in your sig! <cite>JanwayDaahl posted [p:899701681] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>zxJAYxz31 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JanwayDaahl posted...</cite> <quote>A time machine is invented for the sole purpose of allowing parents to go back in time and abort specific children that they have. Your parents choose to abort you. Do you consider this to be murder/fair?</quote> Sooo... If you vote Yes then you consider it to be murder or fair. If you vote No then you do not consider it to be murder or fair.</quote> The poll's question is distinct from that question. Nice try buddy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zxJAYxz31 04/15/18 8:35:47 PM #83:	JanwayDaahl posted... zxJAYxz31 posted... JanwayDaahl posted... A time machine is invented for the sole purpose of allowing parents to go back in time and abort specific children that they have. Your parents choose to abort you. Do you consider this to be murder/fair? Sooo... If you vote Yes then you consider it to be murder or fair. If you vote No then you do not consider it to be murder or fair. The poll's question is distinct from that question. Nice try buddy. Clarification. But one hell of a question for one hell of a complicated issue. Intriguing premise and very interesting question though. <cite>zxJAYxz31 posted [p:899719620] in Hypothetic... [t:76498455]...</cite> <quote><cite>JanwayDaahl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>zxJAYxz31 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JanwayDaahl posted...</cite> <quote>A time machine is invented for the sole purpose of allowing parents to go back in time and abort specific children that they have. Your parents choose to abort you. Do you consider this to be murder/fair?</quote> Sooo... If you vote Yes then you consider it to be murder or fair. If you vote No then you do not consider it to be murder or fair.</quote> The poll's question is distinct from that question. Nice try buddy.</quote> Clarification. But one hell of a question for one hell of a complicated issue. Intriguing premise and very interesting question though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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