Poll of the Day > NYC police fatally shoot black man, mistaking pipe for gun.

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WastelandCowboy
04/05/18 10:50:16 AM
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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/05/599711119/nyc-police-fatally-shoot-unarmed-black-man-believing-he-had-a-gun

Police officers in New York City fatally shot a black man who was pointing what appeared to be a gun at them on Wednesday, police said.

The object turned out to be a metal pipe with a knob on the end. The man reportedly had bipolar disorder.

Officers responded to three 911 calls at around 4:40 p.m. describing a man wielding "a silver firearm" and "pointing it at people on the street" on a corner in the Crown Heights neighborhood in Brooklyn, the NYPD Chief of Department Terence Monahan told reporters.

Four of the five police officers who responded to the scene fired on the man after he took a "two-handed shooting stance and pointed an object at the approaching officers," Monahan said.

The man, identified by The New York Times as 34-year-old Saheed Vassell, was pronounced dead at Kings County Hospital.

Vassell's father, Eric Vassell, told the Times that his son had bipolar disorder and had been hospitalized multiple times in recent years.

Vassell told the New York Daily News that his son refused treatment and had not taken medication for the condition in years.

"We were always worried for him. We would say should anything happen to him, we just have to do what we can do," he told the newspaper.

Residents told news outlets that the younger Vassell was well-known in the neighborhood as "mentally ill but generally harmless."

"All he did was just walk around the neighborhood," 38-year-old Andre Wilson, who said he knew Vassell for 20 years, told the Daily News. "He speaks to himself, usually he has an orange Bible or a rosary in his hand. He never had a problem with anyone."

"Every cop in this neighborhood knows him," resident John Fuller told the Times, saying police should have been familiar enough with Vassell to not shoot him.

Three of the four officers who fired at Vassell were not in uniform, Monahan said. He told reporters that they fired a total of 10 rounds at Vassell. None of them were wearing body cameras.

The Times spoke to witnesses who said that "the police officers appeared to fire almost immediately after they got to the corner around 4:45 p.m. Some of the witnesses said they did not hear the officers say anything to the man before firing, while another witness said she heard the officers and the man exchange some words."

Vassell had a 15-year-old son with former partner Sherlan Smith, 36. She told the Daily News: "He was a good father. He wasn't a bad person. No matter how they want to spin it, he wasn't a bad person. ... Too many black people are dying at hands of police officers and it's about time something be done."

As many as 200 onlookers gathered at the scene, resident Shaya Tenenbaum told The Associated Press, and several of them shouted at police. Protesters carrying Black Lives Matter signs arrived later in the evening, the Times reports.

Members of the crowd "wept" at how the shooting fell on the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination.

The police shooting of Stephon Clark, an unarmed black man, ignited protests in Sacramento, Calif., that have lasted weeks.
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Mead
04/05/18 10:53:24 AM
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I could see how they could mistake a silver pipe for a gun, but there is no excuse for police not to have bodycams at this point

Unless theyre undercover they should have to have them on at all times and they should not be able to turn them off or mute the sound
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OhhhJa
04/05/18 10:53:44 AM
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Fair, next
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FellWolf
04/05/18 11:11:04 AM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
"All he did was just walk around the neighborhood,"

WastelandCowboy posted...
he took a "two-handed shooting stance and pointed an object at the approaching officers,"


WastelandCowboy posted...
responded to three 911 calls at around 4:40 p.m. describing a man wielding "a silver firearm" and "pointing it at people on the street"


It's an unfortunate understandable situation that body cams would add needed info for.
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EvilMegas
04/05/18 11:17:38 AM
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It looks like a gun, honestly.
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pionear
04/05/18 12:07:25 PM
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ymtebFr

Another Day, Another Black Man shot by Cops
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Blightzkrieg
04/05/18 12:37:46 PM
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Pretty much any inclination I had to give cops the benefit of the doubt disappeared when it turns out that guy allegedly trying to attack them with a cellphone was shot six times in the back.
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WastelandCowboy
04/05/18 12:39:31 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
Pretty much any inclination I had to give cops the benefit of the doubt disappeared when it turns out that guy allegedly trying to attack them with a cellphone was shot six times in the back.

You do know that not all cops are quick to pull the trigger, right?
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Mead
04/05/18 12:41:29 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
Pretty much any inclination I had to give cops the benefit of the doubt disappeared when it turns out that guy allegedly trying to attack them with a cellphone was shot six times in the back.


I really doubt these were the same cops
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EvilMegas
04/05/18 12:42:20 PM
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Mead posted...
Blightzkrieg posted...
Pretty much any inclination I had to give cops the benefit of the doubt disappeared when it turns out that guy allegedly trying to attack them with a cellphone was shot six times in the back.


I really doubt these were the same cops

Its always the same cops, they travel around the country killing black dudes.
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Mead
04/05/18 12:43:24 PM
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Those assholes
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Blightzkrieg
04/05/18 12:46:14 PM
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Mead posted...
Blightzkrieg posted...
Pretty much any inclination I had to give cops the benefit of the doubt disappeared when it turns out that guy allegedly trying to attack them with a cellphone was shot six times in the back.


I really doubt these were the same cops

If I heard about a non cop going all firing squad on an unarmed man I probably wouldn't trust them either.

It's an institution that encourages lying to protect their own at the expense of civilians.
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Krow_Incarnate
04/05/18 12:48:56 PM
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fired on the man after he took a "two-handed shooting stance and pointed an object at the approaching officers," Monahan said.


c2UfiAI

Fair, next.
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Mead
04/05/18 12:50:22 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
It's an institution that encourages lying to protect their own at the expense of civilians.


Which is why bodycams need to become standard and non-tamperable
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Blightzkrieg
04/05/18 12:52:15 PM
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All body cams should contain a remote neurotoxin that targets the officer and their extended family, that triggers as soon as gunfire is detected.
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helIy
04/05/18 12:57:47 PM
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it sounds like the dude wanted to suicide but was unable to do anything himself

i forget what that's called
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MICHALECOLE
04/05/18 1:01:33 PM
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helIy posted...
it sounds like the dude wanted to suicide but was unable to do anything himself

i forget what that's called

We call that the Dallas from the outsiders
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Andromicus
04/05/18 1:04:16 PM
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helIy posted...
it sounds like the dude wanted to suicide but was unable to do anything himself

i forget what that's called

It's called being a furry
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Smarkil
04/05/18 1:18:01 PM
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helIy posted...
it sounds like the dude wanted to suicide but was unable to do anything himself

i forget what that's called


its called afternoon delight
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helIy
04/05/18 1:25:21 PM
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cop assisted suicide is what it's called you fuckin weirdos
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XlaxJynx007
04/05/18 1:43:12 PM
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Fair, next
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WastelandCowboy
04/05/18 1:45:54 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
All body cams should contain a remote neurotoxin that targets the officer and their extended family, that triggers as soon as gunfire is detected.

The fuck dude? No.
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Nundulan
04/05/18 1:59:32 PM
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helIy posted...
cop assisted suicide is what it's called you fuckin weirdos

I call it suicide by cop
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KaptainKiro
04/05/18 2:00:13 PM
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solid choice by the officers, expect riots tho
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VeeVees
04/05/18 2:04:24 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Fair, next

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Krazy_Kirby
04/05/18 3:25:31 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Fair, next

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DirtBasedSoap
04/05/18 3:28:01 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Blightzkrieg posted...
All body cams should contain a remote neurotoxin that targets the officer and their extended family, that triggers as soon as gunfire is detected.

The fuck dude? No.

imagine taking a Blight post seriously
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myghostisdead
04/05/18 3:30:18 PM
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pionear posted...
ymtebFr

Another Day, Another Black Man shot by Cops


Is this him? Yeah, it looks like a gun and it looks like he is threatening people. Not a smart thing to do.
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Guide
04/05/18 3:41:45 PM
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I'll wait for more evidence to come up, and I'm trying to find the clips I saw on tv, but this seems pretty clear.

From what I saw he was running around. threatening people with a not-gun that looks very much like a gun. The people threatened with it thought it was a gun. I thought it was a gun from the footage.
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Krazy_Kirby
04/05/18 3:45:46 PM
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even if a person isn't actually using a gun in a crime, if the victim believes there is a gun it counts as a gun.

pointing something that looks like a gun at people, and then cops is a really dumb thing to do.

i'm sure there will be idiots blaming the cops though... "cops should wait until they got shot at to shoot back!" or some crap like that
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TheCyborgNinja
04/05/18 4:58:28 PM
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Mead posted...
I could see how they could mistake a silver pipe for a gun, but there is no excuse for police not to have bodycams at this point

Unless theyre undercover they should have to have them on at all times and they should not be able to turn them off or mute the sound

I agree, if nothing else but to say "see, I told you so" and protect themselves. Nobody honest has anything to fear.
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Sarcasthma
04/05/18 6:48:31 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Blightzkrieg posted...
All body cams should contain a remote neurotoxin that targets the officer and their extended family, that triggers as soon as gunfire is detected.

The fuck dude? No.

imagine taking a Blight post seriously

Wasteland should know better. Shame on him.
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streamofthesky
04/05/18 7:01:43 PM
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I don't trust the statements from police at face value after so many instances of them blatantly lying.
But based on that pic, this one seems true. It's unfortunate the guy was shot, but not really their fault this time.
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RoboXgp89
04/05/18 7:37:04 PM
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I would've unholstered and aimed my gun but I wouldn't have shot
i can't be a cop I don't care about "sex trafficking" or personal amounts of drugs really so...
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Lokarin
04/05/18 7:38:47 PM
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Given the pictures, it's more shameful that no regular civvies didn't take shots of their own... they "seem" justified.
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XlaxJynx007
04/05/18 8:08:32 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Given the pictures, it's more shameful that no regular civvies didn't take shots of their own... they "seem" justified.

It's NYC, there's not a lot of legal concealed carriers around
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Lokarin
04/05/18 8:13:23 PM
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XlaxJynx007 posted...
Lokarin posted...
Given the pictures, it's more shameful that no regular civvies didn't take shots of their own... they "seem" justified.

It's NYC, there's not a lot of legal concealed carriers around


Why not open carry?
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XlaxJynx007
04/05/18 8:19:05 PM
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Lokarin posted...
XlaxJynx007 posted...
Lokarin posted...
Given the pictures, it's more shameful that no regular civvies didn't take shots of their own... they "seem" justified.

It's NYC, there's not a lot of legal concealed carriers around


Why not open carry?

Still requires a permit, which they don't give out easily.
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Lokarin
04/05/18 8:29:07 PM
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XlaxJynx007 posted...
Lokarin posted...
XlaxJynx007 posted...
Lokarin posted...
Given the pictures, it's more shameful that no regular civvies didn't take shots of their own... they "seem" justified.

It's NYC, there's not a lot of legal concealed carriers around


Why not open carry?

Still requires a permit, which they don't give out easily.


Wait, then that means the 2nd amendment is meaningless... here I thought y'alls had gun freedom, but it's only for behind locked doors, or in the closet. Guns need to come out and march!
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StarKnight23
04/05/18 8:35:54 PM
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Four of the five police officers who responded to the scene fired on the man after he took a "two-handed shooting stance and pointed an object at the approaching officers," Monahan said.


I'm always interested in this aspect of police shootings. Why do some officers, in the same position, fire repeatedly while others shoot less or not at all?
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Mead
04/05/18 8:38:00 PM
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Probably because theyre people and not robots
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Mead
04/05/18 8:39:49 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
i can't be a cop I don't care about "sex trafficking"


I agree you should not be a cop
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KaptainKiro
04/05/18 8:41:44 PM
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crowds already forming demanding "justice" lol

is nothin good enough for these ppl?
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WastelandCowboy
04/05/18 10:44:47 PM
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Sarcasthma posted...
DirtBasedSoap posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Blightzkrieg posted...
All body cams should contain a remote neurotoxin that targets the officer and their extended family, that triggers as soon as gunfire is detected.

The fuck dude? No.

imagine taking a Blight post seriously

Wasteland should know better. Shame on him.

I apologize for not keeping tabs on every single poster on PotD.
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SkynyrdRocker
04/05/18 11:58:36 PM
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Mentally ill people that won't seek treatment and instead let their lives go to shit piss me off as a mentally ill person that takes their meds and works a full time job. Also it looks like a gun, this is a fair next.
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Rasmoh
04/06/18 12:24:42 AM
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Good shoot. Shame that there will still likely be backlash over such an obvious justified shooting.
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Sarcasthma
04/06/18 4:00:39 AM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Sarcasthma posted...
DirtBasedSoap posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Blightzkrieg posted...
All body cams should contain a remote neurotoxin that targets the officer and their extended family, that triggers as soon as gunfire is detected.

The fuck dude? No.

imagine taking a Blight post seriously

Wasteland should know better. Shame on him.

I apologize for not keeping tabs on every single poster on PotD.

Im just glad I could help you grow as a PotDer.
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