Board 8 > Survivor: Ghost Island Discussion Topic 2.2 - Purged topic is our Malolo Low

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If they are boring in confessional and do not contribute to the overall story of the season why show them? We only have 44 minutes to work with.

Also, did you just admit to preferring Ben's edit to this One?
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I am in the Rob Cesternino camp of if they said it without giving up the ending of the episode then they would show it
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eaedwards6400 posted...

If they are boring in confessional and do not contribute to the overall story of the season why show them?

Everyone contributes to the story. It needs to be explained why someone is a threat. It's also better for more people to be featured to make the edit overall less predictable.

We all know who has by far the most likely winner's edit, right?
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eaedwards6400 posted...

If they are boring in confessional and do not contribute to the overall story of the season why show them? We only have 44 minutes to work with.

Also, did you just admit to preferring Ben's edit to this One?

We had no problem giving Michael at least one confessional every goddamn episode and he was monotone and gets a fucking tonguebath from Probst. Chelsea was just as important to the season as Michael, yet she got 4 confessionals, and her last one was generic and talked about Wendell being a threat. It's fucking GARBAGE. I want a balanced fucking edit, and that shouldn't be something unheard of.

Ben's edit? Fuck yeah I prefer his edit. I still think he's a dick and that the producers rigged the endgame for him, but the season itself was fucking awesome until the final two episodes. Everyone in the final eight, including the Ben/Ryan duo that I hate, was well-developed and interesting and unique as characters, and when they got voted out, it actually felt like it made sense and wasn't the editors just throwing shit together to create a narrative at the last minute (or not even doing that, as in Chelsea's boot.)
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The difference between the two is it appears that Michael is the only underdog we're getting this season. Chelsea was not. Chelsea was ahead and likely just as boring. And people are just upset about Chelsea three of the final wand offs last week were about her. But people still love Michael Yerger
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eaedwards6400 posted...

The difference between the two is it appears that Michael is the only underdog we're getting this season. Chelsea was not. Chelsea was ahead and likely just as boring. And people are just upset about Chelsea three of the final wand offs last week were about her. But people still love Michael Yerger

Because he got an edit. See how that works?
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also Michael is male. Probst likes his bros. Casuals prefer dudes for some reason. I prefer Chelsea.

I am with Inviso on HHH. Everyone was more developed - I feel like I knew them more - and the storytelling made more sense. Here, I don't know half of the final eight much at all and the boot choices don't make much sense. The obvious winner is making this for a boring, predictable stretch.

I knew it was Chelsea or Angela leaving tonight before the episode even started. That's not a good thing. I want it to be unpredictable. This shitty season hasn't delivered that since pre-merge.
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But Chelsea wasn't in control and she wasn't an underdog and she was boring. How are we supposed to give her an edit when Kellyn is telling us the same things in a much more exciting fashion.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

But Chelsea wasn't in control and she wasn't an underdog and she was boring. How are we supposed to give her an edit when Kellyn is telling us the same things in a much more exciting fashion.

Allegedly boring. Chelsea won two challenges and was a big enough threat to be targeted over Kellyn. It's lazy fucking editing.
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this season is in my bottom 5 right now. the cast isn't repulsive but it's the least flavorful group in ages. but my main problem is that there are literally zero memorable moments that have happened. i feel like i would've gotten just as much out of simply reading the wikipedia plot summaries of each episode
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I will blame the pagonging before I blame the characters because I can name a bunch of characters I wouldn't mind playing again.

Watch Chelsea's secret scenes and tell me how exciting she is..
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Dom is pretty much the only person Id ever want to see again from this season.
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Many of my favorites were gone early. I want to see Morgan, Stephanie, and Bradley get second chances.

But yeah, this season is awful. The early parts were heartbreaking, the merge episode was fantastic but everything after that has been soulless. This season lacks true joy and memorability - and the obvious edit makes for boring outcomes. It's in my bottom six for sure right now. Not quite sure where it fits.

eaedwards6400 posted...

Watch Chelsea's secret scenes and tell me how exciting she is..

Michael is just as boring and he got an edit. Why couldn't Chelsea? That's our point here. Give equal time to equal characters.
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Chelsea wasn't an underdog!
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If you flip Chelsea and Michael Michael gets the Carter
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Who cares if Michael is an underdog. Jenna was an underdog and Libby was an underdog and both of them were given shit edits. Jenna didn't even have justification for why she was targeted over Donathan, despite Donathan apparently being a troublemaker. Michael was booted in NINTH PLACE and isn't even the last Malolo standing. So why the fuck would they give a boring guy like him SO strong of an edit when they couldn't be bothered to build up Chelsea in a mini story arc that would justify her getting booted when she was.
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Hell if you switch Michael and Chelsea he would be almost identical to Brett from season 19
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Hell if you switch Michael and Chelsea he would be almost identical to Brett from season 19

Which was BAD.
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Jenna and Libby didn't do anything to prevent their demise. Michael at least had idols to play and moves to make.
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I didn't say it was good I'm saying that there is justification and pattern here.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

I didn't say it was good I'm saying that there is justification and pattern here.

That's not justification. That's still fucking terrible. And it's a pattern, yes. It's a BAD pattern. It completely removes suspense from the season, especially in an episode like this where there's supposedly a massive power shift, and the two boot options are guy with a ton of content and an idol...versus girl who never says anything and is aligned with players who never say anything.
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I noticed that in this argument you glossed over Libby and Jenna being nothing's and that Chelsea's secret scenes are boring. Classic debate skills.
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Chelsea's secret scenes being boring is subjective. Her one confessional about coffee is more interesting to me than hearing Kellyn talk about Naviti-strong over and over, or Michael talk about how he's at the bottom, but not giving up, or Laurel talking about how she has to trust in Dom/Wendell but she might flip on them because they're threats. Give character-building moments. Surely Desiree/Chelsea/Kellyn interacted enough for Desiree to want to betray Kellyn, Desiree thought she could for sure get Chelsea onboard, and Kellyn felt extremely betrayed by this. Yet we got NOTHING about this trio. Just suddenly Des appears and is booted in the same episode. Chelsea got LESS than that in her boot episode. You cannot tell me that this episode wouldn't be better if they built Chelsea up as more than some invisible girl going up against Wendell.

Libby spent the entire pre-merge being labeled as manipulative and a man-eater and a threat, yet we never heard from her. And then when she becomes the legitimate secondary target, it's because she's showmancing Michael, when we were NEVER SHOWN THAT SHOWMANCE. That shit was fucking LAZY.

As for Jenna, she DID try to prevent her demise, because she thought Donathan was the target. In fact, Jenna could've gotten a glorious downfall arc and made that tribal council actually INTERESTING instead of just "let's get this over with so we can focus on the players we care about". This is a girl who was going the Natalie Bolton route of hoping to trick "lovable fan favorite" Donathan into playing his idol on her while she voted him out. Surely they could've built something up before that. Hell, SURELY they could've given us a scene justifying her boot over Donathan, since again, there was no reason for that group of players to target her over him.

It's piss poor editing and I don't get why you're defending this garbage so hard.
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Chelsea's secret scenes are boring but so are Michael's. Why did Michael get this underdog story edit that would make casuals go gaga when Chelsea didn't get any kind of edit reflective of her place in Naviti? We never knew where her head was at. All we wanted was some story there. If Michael is boring but gets this CPP4 overall story, why does Chelsea's overall edit constitute a UTR1? It's not fair.
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Hell, let's not talk about Chelsea. Let's talk about Sebastian. We don't know where his head is at, yet he voted out Chris (his buddy) and Jenna (his showmance) and heard nothing from him. The guy has potential to be a goofy doofus and at least lighten up the show with his Fabio-esque antics, but instead we're forced to deal with cutting ANY scene that isn't exclusively about strategy. And the strategy this season is fucking BORING.
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Dunno if it has been said because I can't read the topic until I watch the episode, but Caleb will officially be the first person to complete the trifecta.

http://amp.tmz.com/2018/05/09/amazing-race-big-brother-edition-cast-beast-mode-cowboy-rachel-reilly
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Let's also look at Desiree. Outside of episode 6 and her boot episode, she was completely ignored by the editors. Yet when they did deem her worthy of screen time, she was an extremely boisterous and charismatic personality. What's the excuse there? I mean, she did exactly what the producers love and tried to make a "big move" by flipping against Kellyn, yet she gets completely ignored until a one-episode story arc explaining her playing herself? Again, there is NO reason not to highlight the Kellyn/Chelsea/Desiree bond if it's a thing that you're going to bring up as part of Des's boot episode. There is no reason to ONLY highlight the Wendell/Domenick/Donathan/Laurel alliance, because that tells the viewers not to bother rooting for anyone but those four.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

Chelsea's secret scenes are boring but so are Michael's. Why did Michael get this underdog story edit that would make casuals go gaga when Chelsea didn't get any kind of edit reflective of her place in Naviti? We never knew where her head was at. All we wanted was some story there. If Michael is boring but gets this CPP4 overall story, why does Chelsea's overall edit constitute a UTR1? It's not fair.

Because she was in a position of power! It's completely different. We're talking in a god damn loop.
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I am willing to give on Sebastian and Des but Chelsea vs Michael makes sense to me. The difference, because Seabass and Des were exciting when they spoke.
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I agree with everything Inviso is saying.

I think the problems are as follows:
1. Ghost Island itself is eating up too much airtime
2. There are too many swaps and idols that need to be explained, taking time away from important character development
3. The challenges are extremely repetitive and take up too much airtime
4. There were twenty people

Survivor needs to stop with doing two swaps a season, reduce the idols and advantages to increase character airtime, remove a couple of reward challenges (combine with immunity), and never ever have a 20-person season again unless it's all returnees (which there should be every 4-5 years). Survivor is at its best when there is both interesting strategy and character development. I don't care about this season because I barely fucking know anything about half of the final eight. I felt I got to know most of the pre-jury more than I did many of the people still left. And that makes the beginning heartbreaking. The rest of the season hasn't given us enough to compensate for the most colorful, complex, likable people leaving early. It's been a non-event.

Therefore this season sucks and it sucks bad.
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I don't value your opinion at all because you three a hissy fit episode two when your favorite character went home and called the season from there. Your opinion was never going to get better because of your hard nose determination early.
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Hey, at least now Chelsea's going to be remembered for being invisible. That's better than Desiree, Sebastian and Angela, who aren't going to be remembered for anything.
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If you're going to make things personal, then I don't value your opinion, either.

Bye-bye.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

I agree with almost everything Andy is saying.

I think the problems are as follows:
1. Ghost Island itself is eating up too much airtime
2. There are too many swaps and idols that need to be explained, taking time away from important character development
3. The editors seem deadset on editing a pretty straight-forward Pagonging like they would a chaotic season like Cambodia/MvGX/GC
4. There were twenty people

Survivor needs to stop with doing two swaps a season, reduce the idols and advantages to increase character airtime, remove a couple of reward challenges (combine with immunity), and never ever have a 20-person season again (which there should be every 4-5 years). Survivor is at its best when there is both interesting strategy and character development. I don't care about this season because I barely fucking know anything about 75% of the final eight. I felt I got to know most of the pre-jury more than I did most of the people still left. And that makes the beginning heartbreaking. The rest of the season hasn't given us enough to compensate for the most colorful, complex, likable people leaving early. It's been a non-event.

Therefore this season sucks and it sucks bad.

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Inviso posted...

3. The editors seem deadset on editing a pretty straight-forward Pagonging like they would a chaotic season like Cambodia/MvGX/GC

Great point. The first two of those are great seasons because the strategy was actually interesting and they gave us character moments despite the focus on that (Keith in the tuk-tuk, Adam's mother, Bret coming out to Zeke [that was forced, though]).

This season is garbage because the strategy is boring and we're barely getting anything significant from a character standpoint. Why couldn't this be more like a Tocantins where there's a lot of character focus since the dominant alliance always gets its way? I'd appreciate it a lot more that way.
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For all the shit it gets, at least when South Pacific had its Pagonging, the majority of the merge tribe were given decent edits that highlighted their personalities. I think only Keith and Rick got poor enough edits to really be considered BAD editing. Whitney did too, but she also had her post-Keith meltdowns to deal with.
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The problem with South Pacific is that pretty much all of them were rather hard to like for one reason or another. The religious undertones were off-putting, too. While the edit was good, the content was garbage. Here, the edit is garbage, but there has to be stuff they're not showing that's actually good. This season is a massive disappointment since this cast could have been something special, but alas...
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Any other season I would take your opinion but the fact of the matter is you threw this season under the bus before it even got rolling and therefore I find it your opinion invalid.

I can get and listen to Inviso's opinion because he's didn't throw it away instantly and yell repeatidly on multiple platforms " I'm over this seasom" on the second week! And frankly, now that I sit back and read what he is saying it is consistent amongst his thought processes and I can respect that.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

The problem with South Pacific is that pretty much all of them were rather hard to like for one reason or another. The religious undertones were off-putting, too. While the edit was good, the content was garbage. Here, the edit is garbage, but there has to be stuff they're not showing that's actually good. This season is a massive disappointment since this cast could have been something special, but alas...

I don't deny that the cast was overly negative. But it's a lot like Fiji in that way. It's negative, but it's got an edge that keeps things interesting. Plus, everyone's kind of a dick in SoPa, so it becomes more fun watching people fuck each other over.
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I cried during the loved ones visit introductions again, while I laughed at probst trying to understand human emotion

after liking wendell for an episode, I thought he was terrible again today

and results-oriented-wise, Im not liking laurel or donathan, admittedly I'm trying really hard to

I like kellyn still, I like queen chelsea, she seems like a cool person who is appreciative of being out there, and I guess I like sebastian but that's a bit of a stretch

I appreciate the positivity in this topic eaed. if you're enjoying it, more power to you. I'm usually more positive but this season has drained me

technically, the last topic was 100 posts-ish which is why I called this one 2.2, so 3(.1?) could be started right now
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I really wished they showed more Jenna, I can't get over her dorky snark in her ponderosa making me wonder where that was all season
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Mewtwo59 posted...

Hey, at least now Chelsea's going to be remembered for being invisible

slay queen chelsea slaaaaay
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Inviso posted...

BlueCrystalTear posted...

The problem with South Pacific is that pretty much all of them were rather hard to like for one reason or another. The religious undertones were off-putting, too. While the edit was good, the content was garbage. Here, the edit is garbage, but there has to be stuff they're not showing that's actually good. This season is a massive disappointment since this cast could have been something special, but alas...

I don't deny that the cast was overly negative. But it's a lot like Fiji in that way. It's negative, but it's got an edge that keeps things interesting. Plus, everyone's kind of a dick in SoPa, so it becomes more fun watching people fuck each other over.

The thing is, the strategy wasn't interesting enough to make it that satisfying to watch them screw each other the way it was in BB15. SoPa also didn't have a god-tier episode like Fiji did ("It's a Turtle!?") - it simply had a Pagonging. It would have been far more satisfying if there had been actual blindsides. There weren't.

This season's edit is just bad. The show's not fun in the slightest. We're not getting great comeuppances like... Scot Pollard's, anyone? The edit is a part of that.
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If we're looking for positively it needs to start with the topic title.
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This is season is fun and I have 0 idea why I don't see it.
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I feel like the worst seasons are the ones the producers love. They get the outcome they want and kinda laze it up on the storytelling front. In this case, they have their big, brash strategist in Domenick who's now winning challenges as well and finding idols, and it's either him or Wendell, let's be honest here. So they're pimping those two out as hard as they can because they're editing the show for producers, not viewers.
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Well Cagayan was phenomenal... and part of me thinks they're trying to replicate that every single newbie season now. And they fail again and again and again - in part because they're not editing as well as they did in that season. Kaoh Rong would've succeeded had it not been for the MedEvacs and the mess of an ending. But even so, the edit and the cast were both there.

(Also, who's making the new topic?)
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

Well Cagayan was phenomenal... and part of me thinks they're trying to replicate that every single newbie season now. And they fail again and again and again - in part because they're not editing as well as they did in that season. Kaoh Rong would've succeeded had it not been for the MedEvacs and the mess of an ending. But even so, the edit and the cast were both there.

(Also, who's making the new topic?)

Kaoh Rong is a perfect example of what I mean. The producers HATED Michele winning, enough that they changed the entire FTC format to ensure they'd never get another Michele winner again. BUT, because their winner was someone who, like Chelsea, would probably get 4 confessionals otherwise, they editors actually did their fucking jobs. They gave strong edits to Michele, Aubry, Tai, Cydney, Jason, etc, and Kaoh Rong may genuinely be my favorite season ever as a result.
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Ghost Island sucks.
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