Current Events > people who purchase meat and/or dairy - how do you justify it?

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NOM posted...

it's delicious.

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So you do only make fucking stupid topics... jfc tc
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Food chain brotha, If I get killed by a Bear, so be it, that's just nature.
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Meat and dairy is delicious.

That's how.
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gbpxl posted...

EverDownward posted...

Sexually? You telling me workers are sticking their willies in cows??

Would it really surprise you? A quick Google search could yield any number of videos of sick fucks doing that stuff I bet.

Random fun fact: There was a guy who had sex with over 1,000 cars. Considering how messed up in the head he is, I doubt all those cars were his...Be careful where you park at night ;)

The thing that gives me comfort is that I'm pretty sure the guy doesn't live in Hawaii, so I'm relatively safe lol.
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My lack of care for the slaughterhouse situation and my desire for delicious foods.

Rules of nature
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While I care to a degree I still wont stop eating meat or dairy. The benefits and sheer deliciousness outweigh the bad practices some slaughterhouses adhere to.

Also, you could have had some good dialogue if you left out the judgemental crap in your post. This is why vegans get a bad rap. Dont impose your self righteous sanctimonious values on me.

Didn't you make this exact topic like a few weeks ago?

Anyway, I find nothing morally wrong with meat. We are part of the food chain just like any other animal. I prefer that my meat is slaughtered in a humane way and that the animals are well taken care of during their lives, and therefore I support my government's (rather strict) controls on the meat industry.

I have, however, switched to many meat-less or vegetable-based meals, because;
- We have a good friend who is vegetarian and allergic to pretty much everything, and I enjoy cooking for my friends.
- I feel the environmental impact of the meat industry could be lessened by having people cut back a bit on meat. It is also more economically viable, as meat requires something like an 8:1 resources input to output.
- Healthwise I'm overweight and lots of fruits and veggies help that.

I honestly only really eat chicken and fish, anyway with the very occasional beef or, even rarer, pork. I don't particularly enjoy them and I find them a bit 'heavy' and rich for my personal tastes. They tend to leave me feeling really laggy. Also, if anyone serves me anything, I'll pretty much eat it because I'm not picky and occasionally things like pork or beef are a nice treat. Sometimes a fast food burger is nice too.

Really, though, this is a moderate and reasonable response, so I doubt it will get any response. These sorts of topics just seem to be pissing contests between the "Hahaha, I'm going to eat steak in your face" and "meat is murder!" types.

22 Beef sausages, $8. 2 liter jug of milk, $3.20. $11.20 total.

Vegetarian Schnitzels (4 servings per pack) $7.30 x 3, $21.90.

Principles are fine, but the moment you prioritize them over a full belly... Well, that's the day you die hungry.
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It's not possible for me to argue with 20 people at a time but I'll just say this based on recurring themes that I hear...

1) Plants are not sentient.

2) Eating meat/dairy instead of alternatives because it's cheaper/better-tasting is selfish.

3) I am only condescending toward people who are condescending.

4) Pigs, cows, and dogs were not "put" here. They evolved from single-cell organisms over millions of years just as you did.

Tag for lols.
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A lion does not concern itself with the feelings of its prey.

That pretty much sums up my take on the matter. I am a predator, in modern times someone does most of the killing for me, but i would have no problem doing it myself and have in the past. You look at the drawings in caves from thousands of years ago and you see pictures of men with spears and arrows surrounding animals for the kill...not chewing on grass. These were our forefathers this is who we are.

https://www.oddee.com/item_93915.aspx
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Its taste good and I don't really care about all that
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Omega Hunter posted...

A lion does not concern itself with the feelings of its prey.

That pretty much sums up my take on the matter. I am a predator, in modern times someone does most of the killing for me, but i would have no problem doing it myself and have in the past. You look at the drawings in caves from thousands of years ago and you see pictures of men with spears and arrows surrounding animals for the kill...not chewing on grass. These were our forefathers this is who we are.

https://www.oddee.com/item_93915.aspx

Lions also sniff each other's asses as a way of greeting. Do you do that, too? Or just cherry pick the things that coincide with your lifestyle and ignore everything else?

I know it's wrong to raise and slaughter them so brutally. However, I don't think there's anything wrong with eating meat if the animal is raised properly and killed humanely. That said, I eat it anyway because I like it. I try to buy meat that wasn't so cruelly raised.

thronedfire2 posted...

It's already dead and packaged when I buy it

Me not eating steak this week isn't gonna save a cow

If you don't buy it, then they stop producing it. If fewer people bought it, they'd make less of it. If everybody stopped buying it, they wouldn't make any of it.
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Cooking and inviting family and friends over is also a very big thing here. You're not gonna win them over with grilled artichokes with a side of bean sprouts to go along.

No, they want barbecue ribs, some brisket, or if you're Hispanic, carne asada with some homemade frijoles charros.
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gbpxl posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

A lion does not concern itself with the feelings of its prey.

That pretty much sums up my take on the matter. I am a predator, in modern times someone does most of the killing for me, but i would have no problem doing it myself and have in the past. You look at the drawings in caves from thousands of years ago and you see pictures of men with spears and arrows surrounding animals for the kill...not chewing on grass. These were our forefathers this is who we are.

https://www.oddee.com/item_93915.aspx

Lions also sniff each other's asses as a way of greeting. Do you do that, too? Or just cherry pick the things that coincide with your lifestyle and ignore everything else?

No one is actually this obtuse right? He might be mentally off due to his nutritionally deficient diet of grass, beans, and grapes.
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Omega Hunter posted...

gbpxl posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

A lion does not concern itself with the feelings of its prey.

That pretty much sums up my take on the matter. I am a predator, in modern times someone does most of the killing for me, but i would have no problem doing it myself and have in the past. You look at the drawings in caves from thousands of years ago and you see pictures of men with spears and arrows surrounding animals for the kill...not chewing on grass. These were our forefathers this is who we are.

https://www.oddee.com/item_93915.aspx

Lions also sniff each other's asses as a way of greeting. Do you do that, too? Or just cherry pick the things that coincide with your lifestyle and ignore everything else?

No one is actually this obtuse right? He might be mentally off due to his nutritionally deficient diet of grass, beans, and grapes.

You dodged the question.

Volkswagen_Bros posted...

Cooking and inviting family and friends over is also a very big thing here. You're not gonna win them over with grilled artichokes with a side of bean sprouts to go along.

No, they want barbecue ribs, some brisket, or if you're Hispanic, carne asada with some homemade frijoles charros.

You're wrong. They make just about everything vegan nowadays. It's not like how it was 20 years ago, or even 10. Most vegan hamburger, hot dogs, fish, chicken taste great, actually.

If I had to live off the food you are describing, it'd be very, very difficult for me.

TC whats end game here? Youre not converting anyone.

gbpxl posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

gbpxl posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

A lion does not concern itself with the feelings of its prey.

That pretty much sums up my take on the matter. I am a predator, in modern times someone does most of the killing for me, but i would have no problem doing it myself and have in the past. You look at the drawings in caves from thousands of years ago and you see pictures of men with spears and arrows surrounding animals for the kill...not chewing on grass. These were our forefathers this is who we are.

https://www.oddee.com/item_93915.aspx

Lions also sniff each other's asses as a way of greeting. Do you do that, too? Or just cherry pick the things that coincide with your lifestyle and ignore everything else?

No one is actually this obtuse right? He might be mentally off due to his nutritionally deficient diet of grass, beans, and grapes.

You dodged the question.

You ignored most of my post

How does it feel knowing over 95% of your fellow humans worldwide think you're wrong?
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Cal12 posted...

TC whats end game here? Youre not converting anyone.

Go to your grocery store and look in the health food aisle or the vegetarian/vegan aisle. Try some of the alternatives, cook it exactly like how they recommend, and get back to me. My eating style hasn't really changed since I decided to stop contributing to the slaughter of animals. I still eat "meat," junk food, "cheese," potato chips, "milk," soda, pizza, candy, fruit, vegetables, etc. and I couldn't tell you the difference besides slightly higher prices, and not feeling as bloated and disgusting afterwards.

gbpxl posted...

Volkswagen_Bros posted...

Cooking and inviting family and friends over is also a very big thing here. You're not gonna win them over with grilled artichokes with a side of bean sprouts to go along.

No, they want barbecue ribs, some brisket, or if you're Hispanic, carne asada with some homemade frijoles charros.

You're wrong. They make just about everything vegan nowadays. It's not like how it was 20 years ago, or even 10. Most vegan hamburger, hot dogs, fish, chicken taste great, actually.

If I had to live off the food you are describing, it'd be very, very difficult for me.

Given that veganism has gained more popularity, some restaurants have begun catering to them. Here's the thing. I'm willing to say that average person, or the average palette really, would still choose regular food over vegan food any day of the week.

They're turned off at the idea of buying "meat" products and much rather settle for the real thing since it's what they know and what satisfies that hunger. Can't really say I blame them in that aspect.
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I couldn't live without meat of cheese. Cheese is life...
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Omega Hunter posted...

gbpxl posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

gbpxl posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

A lion does not concern itself with the feelings of its prey.

That pretty much sums up my take on the matter. I am a predator, in modern times someone does most of the killing for me, but i would have no problem doing it myself and have in the past. You look at the drawings in caves from thousands of years ago and you see pictures of men with spears and arrows surrounding animals for the kill...not chewing on grass. These were our forefathers this is who we are.

https://www.oddee.com/item_93915.aspx

Lions also sniff each other's asses as a way of greeting. Do you do that, too? Or just cherry pick the things that coincide with your lifestyle and ignore everything else?

No one is actually this obtuse right? He might be mentally off due to his nutritionally deficient diet of grass, beans, and grapes.

You dodged the question.

You ignored most of my post

How does it feel knowing over 95% of your fellow humans worldwide think you're wrong?

So you can safely say you know that nearly 7 billion people think I am wrong? Do you know how many times I've heard "I'd like to be vegan but I can't give up meat?" there's a lot of people who would go vegan if they had the willpower and they agree with the lifestyle.

There's also a lot of people who haven't seen the goings-on of a slaughterhouse. How many of that "95%" would convert if they actually saw what happened? Or had to kill the animal themselves? Your number would be much lower than 95%.

We are a primitive species... We kill animals for food.... Simple.
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bulletproofvita posted...

We are a primitive species... We kill animals for food.... Simple.

Yep nothing more hypocritical than people thinking of dogs as pets/friends/family and pigs as delicious food.

gbpxl posted...

bulletproofvita posted...

We are a primitive species... We kill animals for food.... Simple.

Yep nothing more hypocritical than people thinking of dogs as pets/friends/family and pigs as delicious food.

I for one would have no problem eating dog meat and hope to one day on a trip to China. People have pet pigs, has no impact on the pork chop on my plate.

*rubs his pet dog*
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Omega Hunter posted...

gbpxl posted...

bulletproofvita posted...

We are a primitive species... We kill animals for food.... Simple.

Yep nothing more hypocritical than people thinking of dogs as pets/friends/family and pigs as delicious food.

I for one would have no problem eating dog meat and hope to one day on a trip to China. People have pet pigs, has no impact on the pork chop on my plate.

*rubs his pet dog*

So nothing about eating a dog bothers you whatsoever, but you can see how great a companion they are?

gbpxl posted...

bulletproofvita posted...

We are a primitive species... We kill animals for food.... Simple.

Yep nothing more hypocritical than people thinking of dogs as pets/friends/family and pigs as delicious food.

honestly I've thought about having a pet pig. if I did it wouldn't stop me from eating bacon. if I strolled through a place that ate cat or whatever I wouldn't get mad I'd just say no thank you.
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pauIie posted...

gbpxl posted...

bulletproofvita posted...

We are a primitive species... We kill animals for food.... Simple.

Yep nothing more hypocritical than people thinking of dogs as pets/friends/family and pigs as delicious food.

honestly I've thought about having a pet pig. if I did it wouldn't stop me from eating bacon. if I strolled through a place that ate cat or whatever I wouldn't get mad I'd just say no thank you.

What about a place that served human flesh?

If I knew a certain company tortures animals or keeps them in poor environments I would boycott that company in favour of a more ethical company. But at the end of the day organisms die so other organisms can live. That's just how life works. I'm not going to eat plants only just because they can't scream.

gbpxl posted...

pauIie posted...

gbpxl posted...

bulletproofvita posted...

We are a primitive species... We kill animals for food.... Simple.

Yep nothing more hypocritical than people thinking of dogs as pets/friends/family and pigs as delicious food.

honestly I've thought about having a pet pig. if I did it wouldn't stop me from eating bacon. if I strolled through a place that ate cat or whatever I wouldn't get mad I'd just say no thank you.

What about a place that served human flesh?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5859060/cannibal-chef-slices-flesh-bodies-fries-feeds-eats-art/

if it's like this I won't protest it.
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gbpxl posted...

Cal12 posted...

TC whats end game here? Youre not converting anyone.

Go to your grocery store and look in the health food aisle or the vegetarian/vegan aisle. Try some of the alternatives, cook it exactly like how they recommend, and get back to me. My eating style hasn't really changed since I decided to stop contributing to the slaughter of animals. I still eat "meat," junk food, "cheese," potato chips, "milk," soda, pizza, candy, fruit, vegetables, etc. and I couldn't tell you the difference besides slightly higher prices, and not feeling as bloated and disgusting afterwards.

Why do I need to try alternatives? Eating just veggies and soy and what not is incredibly unappealing to me. My current diet also doesnt make me feel bloated and disgusting.

Guess what, TC? Plants can tell when they're being consumed.

http://www.businessinsider.com/plants-know-they-are-being-eaten-2014-10
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Hexagon posted...

If I knew a certain company tortures animals or keeps them in poor environments I would boycott that company in favour of a more ethical company. But at the end of the day organisms die so other organisms can live. That's just how life works. I'm not going to eat plants only just because they can't scream.

Do you realize that when you buy a hamburger you are eating parts of dozens of different cows from different slaughterhouses across the country? It's literally impossible to know what each individual cow experienced. There could've been 11 cows in that burger that were treated humanely and died a quick death, but what if that 12th cow was electrocuted, tortured, beaten, starved, etc? What do you do in that case?

gbpxl posted...

Hexagon posted...

If I knew a certain company tortures animals or keeps them in poor environments I would boycott that company in favour of a more ethical company. But at the end of the day organisms die so other organisms can live. That's just how life works. I'm not going to eat plants only just because they can't scream.

Do you realize that when you buy a hamburger you are eating parts of dozens of different cows from different slaughterhouses across the country? It's literally impossible to know what each individual cow experienced. There could've been 11 cows in that burger that were treated humanely and died a quick death, but what if that 12th cow was electrocuted, tortured, beaten, starved, etc? What do you do in that case?

I'm not Hexagon, but I would enjoy the burger.
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gbpxl posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

gbpxl posted...

bulletproofvita posted...

We are a primitive species... We kill animals for food.... Simple.

Yep nothing more hypocritical than people thinking of dogs as pets/friends/family and pigs as delicious food.

I for one would have no problem eating dog meat and hope to one day on a trip to China. People have pet pigs, has no impact on the pork chop on my plate.

*rubs his pet dog*

So nothing about eating a dog bothers you whatsoever, but you can see how great a companion they are?

Exactly my dog is under my protection as I own it. A dog is nothing more then property in my eyes, useful for shits and giggles but it has no rights that should be afforded human beings. Other peoples dogs should be treated however there owners want to treat them and if thats for a meal...not my dog.
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GATTJT posted...

Guess what, TC? Plants can tell when they're being consumed.

http://www.businessinsider.com/plants-know-they-are-being-eaten-2014-10

I am very familiar with this study. The article's headline is misleading; a living thing that does not have a mind can not "know" anything.

That's almost like saying "The earth knows it's being polluted, and that's why it strikes back at humanity." The earth does not have subconscious thought, and neither do plants.

The mechanism of a plant's defense does not indicate that a plant has feelings, just that it's able to defend itself.

Omega Hunter posted...

gbpxl posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

gbpxl posted...

bulletproofvita posted...

We are a primitive species... We kill animals for food.... Simple.

Yep nothing more hypocritical than people thinking of dogs as pets/friends/family and pigs as delicious food.

I for one would have no problem eating dog meat and hope to one day on a trip to China. People have pet pigs, has no impact on the pork chop on my plate.

*rubs his pet dog*

So nothing about eating a dog bothers you whatsoever, but you can see how great a companion they are?

Exactly my dog is under my protection as I own it. A dog is nothing more then property in my eyes, useful for shits and giggles but it has no rights that should be afforded human beings. Other peoples dogs should be treated however there owners want to treat them and if thats for a meal...not my dog.

Okay so if an owner was beating the shit of his dog on a daily basis, that wouldn't bother you because he owns the dog?

gbpxl posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

gbpxl posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

gbpxl posted...

bulletproofvita posted...

We are a primitive species... We kill animals for food.... Simple.

Yep nothing more hypocritical than people thinking of dogs as pets/friends/family and pigs as delicious food.

I for one would have no problem eating dog meat and hope to one day on a trip to China. People have pet pigs, has no impact on the pork chop on my plate.

*rubs his pet dog*

So nothing about eating a dog bothers you whatsoever, but you can see how great a companion they are?

Exactly my dog is under my protection as I own it. A dog is nothing more then property in my eyes, useful for shits and giggles but it has no rights that should be afforded human beings. Other peoples dogs should be treated however there owners want to treat them and if thats for a meal...not my dog.

Okay so if an owner was beating the shit of his dog on a daily basis, that wouldn't bother you because he owns the dog?

No it wouldn't animals mean nothing to me.
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Omega Hunter posted...

gbpxl posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

gbpxl posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

gbpxl posted...

bulletproofvita posted...

We are a primitive species... We kill animals for food.... Simple.

Yep nothing more hypocritical than people thinking of dogs as pets/friends/family and pigs as delicious food.

I for one would have no problem eating dog meat and hope to one day on a trip to China. People have pet pigs, has no impact on the pork chop on my plate.

*rubs his pet dog*

So nothing about eating a dog bothers you whatsoever, but you can see how great a companion they are?

Exactly my dog is under my protection as I own it. A dog is nothing more then property in my eyes, useful for shits and giggles but it has no rights that should be afforded human beings. Other peoples dogs should be treated however there owners want to treat them and if thats for a meal...not my dog.

Okay so if an owner was beating the shit of his dog on a daily basis, that wouldn't bother you because he owns the dog?

No it wouldn't animals mean nothing to me.

Okay. Well hard to argue against someone who has zero empathy for other living things unless they claim them as theirs...

I justify it by putting it in my belly and not giving a single care to what happened to things lower than me on the food chain
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I don't feel like it's something that has to be justified.
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gbpxl posted...

Hexagon posted...

If I knew a certain company tortures animals or keeps them in poor environments I would boycott that company in favour of a more ethical company. But at the end of the day organisms die so other organisms can live. That's just how life works. I'm not going to eat plants only just because they can't scream.

Do you realize that when you buy a hamburger you are eating parts of dozens of different cows from different slaughterhouses across the country? It's literally impossible to know what each individual cow experienced. There could've been 11 cows in that burger that were treated humanely and died a quick death, but what if that 12th cow was electrocuted, tortured, beaten, starved, etc? What do you do in that case?

Wait for people like you to do something useful and figure out who is electrocuting cows ^.^

Tastes good.
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gbpxl posted...

Okay. Well hard to argue against someone who has zero empathy for other living things unless they claim them as theirs...

Or if they are humans.

I started my posts itt by saying a lion does not concern itself with the feelings of its prey and here you are 10 posts later realizing that i meant my first statement. I give not one flying fuck about what happens to lesser animals.
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Imagine being an apex predator and feeling the need to justify anything.
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QwelzaarKane posted...

Imagine being an apex predator and feeling the need to justify anything.

I don't know, maybe having a brain and being able to distinguish right from wrong might have something to do with it. Just because you can, doesn't necessarily mean you should.