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ledbowman
03/21/18 5:44:37 PM
#254:


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hockeybub89 posted...
The Admiral posted...
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The Admiral posted...
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FrisbeeDude posted...
This is radical white terrorism. Any attempts to label it anything else need to be called out


Mind linking to where his motivation has been stated?


Frisbeee is terrified of white people, so any crimes they commit is considered terrorism to him.


Like, the dude is likely going to be proven to be a terrorist. That's why I don't understand what the outrage is in waiting for the facts and revelations before labelling it as anything. Before I get straw manned to hell, of course that same standard should be applied to any minority serial/mass killer.


Oh, I don't disagree with you -- I consider this guy a terrorist also. But that fact that Frisbee thinks "Radical White" as a label is anything more than his racist insecurity showing is the point here.

Isn't a white supremacist a white person radicalized over skin?


Yes, but what so far is this indication of that profile fitting this dude? If you have any info pointing in that direction other than that he is a white, christian/conservation serial killer, please share it.

How is he a serial killer and not a terrorist?
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_RETS_
03/21/18 5:48:40 PM
#255:


ledbowman posted...

I have explained this to you already in very, very simple terms. In your opinion, how is he a terrorist and not a (would-be) serial killer?

BTW, I don't think he is "not a terrorist". My point is terrorism has a specific definition but, while it is the likely outcome, he doesn't yet fit the definition. Once his motivations become more clear, we have better info with which to properly categorize him.

There really isn't any excuse for you not being able to understand this.
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creativerealms
03/21/18 5:50:03 PM
#256:


Looks like he blew himself up rather then being shot by the police.

Oh and he was a homeschooled college drop out, vocal against the LGBT community. Yeah the main stream media will love this.
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Ammonitida
03/21/18 5:51:18 PM
#257:


How is he a serial killer and not a terrorist?


Technically, he's neither. No evidence that he was politically, religiously, or racially motivated and he didn't kill enough people to be classified as a serial killer. There was a Las Vegas killer preying on the homeless a few months ago (he was arrested). Since he only killed two people (wounded another two), law enforcement officials only referred to him as a would-be serial killer.
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Ammonitida
03/21/18 5:52:48 PM
#258:


The bomber's first target was close to his home.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/03/mark-conditt-home-map-austin-bombs-where-pflugerville-how-close/

Many people suspected that his first bomb might have been in an area he was more familiar with or in an area near where he lived, and it appears those theories were correct
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ledbowman
03/21/18 5:53:21 PM
#259:


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ledbowman posted...

I have explained this to you already in very, very simple terms. In your opinion, how is he a terrorist and not a serial killer?

Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people; or to create fear to achieve a financial, political, religious or ideological aim.[1] It is used in this regard primarily to refer to violence against peacetime targets or in war against non-combatants.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
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hockeybub89
03/21/18 5:55:06 PM
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_RETS_
03/21/18 5:57:18 PM
#261:


ledbowman posted...
_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...

I have explained this to you already in very, very simple terms. In your opinion, how is he a terrorist and not a serial killer?

Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people; or to create fear to achieve a financial, political, religious or ideological aim.[1] It is used in this regard primarily to refer to violence against peacetime targets or in war against non-combatants.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism?s=t

Stop being so goddamn wrong.
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creativerealms
03/21/18 5:57:26 PM
#262:


He is called a "serial bomber" which really is the best thing to call him.
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_RETS_
03/21/18 5:58:41 PM
#263:


Ammonitida posted...
The bomber's first target was close to his home.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/03/mark-conditt-home-map-austin-bombs-where-pflugerville-how-close/

Many people suspected that his first bomb might have been in an area he was more familiar with or in an area near where he lived, and it appears those theories were correct


I don't know if he used the toll road or not, and he would be a real stupid ass if he did, but the toll is the quickest way to get from Pflugerville to where the first few bombs were set.
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ledbowman
03/21/18 6:00:17 PM
#264:


_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...
_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...

I have explained this to you already in very, very simple terms. In your opinion, how is he a terrorist and not a serial killer?

Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people; or to create fear to achieve a financial, political, religious or ideological aim.[1] It is used in this regard primarily to refer to violence against peacetime targets or in war against non-combatants.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism?s=t

Stop being so goddamn wrong.

"the use of violence and threats to intimidate" lmao
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hockeybub89
03/21/18 6:00:20 PM
#265:


_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...
_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...

I have explained this to you already in very, very simple terms. In your opinion, how is he a terrorist and not a serial killer?

Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people; or to create fear to achieve a financial, political, religious or ideological aim.[1] It is used in this regard primarily to refer to violence against peacetime targets or in war against non-combatants.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism?s=t

Stop being so goddamn wrong.

Why did you just agree with him then?
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_RETS_
03/21/18 6:05:38 PM
#266:


ledbowman posted...
_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...
_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...

I have explained this to you already in very, very simple terms. In your opinion, how is he a terrorist and not a serial killer?

Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people; or to create fear to achieve a financial, political, religious or ideological aim.[1] It is used in this regard primarily to refer to violence against peacetime targets or in war against non-combatants.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism?s=t

Stop being so goddamn wrong.

"the use of violence and threats to intimidate" lmao


...especially for political purposes, which is exclusively how it is used in discussion until liberals whine about a white "terrorist." The same standard applies to violence perpetrated by minorities. You are intentionally disregarding the context in which it is pretty exclusively used and being overly semantic.

Do you consider serial killers terrorists? If you don't, you're a hack with an agenda. If you do, you are wrong. Either way, doesn't look good for you.
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Ammonitida
03/21/18 6:06:26 PM
#267:


hockeybub89 posted...
_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...
_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...

I have explained this to you already in very, very simple terms. In your opinion, how is he a terrorist and not a serial killer?

Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people; or to create fear to achieve a financial, political, religious or ideological aim.[1] It is used in this regard primarily to refer to violence against peacetime targets or in war against non-combatants.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism?s=t

Stop being so goddamn wrong.

Why did you just agree with him then?


https://www.secbrief.org/2014/04/definition-of-terrorism/
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ledbowman
03/21/18 6:11:48 PM
#268:


_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...

I have explained this to you already in very, very simple terms. In your opinion, how is he a terrorist and not a (would-be) serial killer?

BTW, I don't think he is "not a terrorist". My point is terrorism has a specific definition but, while it is the likely outcome, he doesn't yet fit the definition. Once his motivations become more clear, we have better info with which to properly categorize him.

There really isn't any excuse for you not being able to understand this.

A serial killer is typically a person who murders three or more people,[1] usually in service of abnormal psychological gratification, with the murders taking place over more than a month and including a significant period of time between them.[1][2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer
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ledbowman
03/21/18 6:13:26 PM
#269:


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which is exclusively how it is used in discussion until liberals whine about a white "terrorist."

Ah there we go.
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_RETS_
03/21/18 6:13:40 PM
#270:


ledbowman posted...
_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...

I have explained this to you already in very, very simple terms. In your opinion, how is he a terrorist and not a (would-be) serial killer?

BTW, I don't think he is "not a terrorist". My point is terrorism has a specific definition but, while it is the likely outcome, he doesn't yet fit the definition. Once his motivations become more clear, we have better info with which to properly categorize him.

There really isn't any excuse for you not being able to understand this.

A serial killer is typically a person who murders three or more people,[1] usually in service of abnormal psychological gratification, with the murders taking place over more than a month and including a significant period of time between them.[1][2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer


So if the two white guys that got blasted by the 4th bomb happened to die instead of just being injured, you would then view him as a serial killer?

And that's why I edited in "would-be"
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_RETS_
03/21/18 6:15:30 PM
#271:


ledbowman posted...
_RETS_ posted...
which is exclusively how it is used in discussion until liberals whine about a white "terrorist."

Ah there we go.


There we go what? This is true.

Conservatives shouldn't do the same shit toward muslim/minority violence either.

In what world is waiting for facts to be known in order to properly label and represent things a bad thing?

You are doing what I'm sure you hate the right does. There is no reason for it on either side of political spectrum.

Again, I am not denying the the guy is a terrorist, I'm not hoping he isn't ultimately categorized as a terrorist, I am not saying I don't think he is a terrorist. I am saying it is a better idea to wait until you have facts than to start speaking and crying this way or that without the facts. If you think that is wrong, then you are wrong and it is pretty much that simple.
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ledbowman
03/21/18 6:19:17 PM
#272:


Why are you trying so hard to make sure a political motive is why someone would call him a terrorist when that's not an exclusive component.
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Ammonitida
03/21/18 6:19:59 PM
#273:


ledbowman posted...
Why are you trying so hard to make sure a political motive is why someone would call him a terrorist when that's not an exclusive component.

https://www.secbrief.org/2014/04/definition-of-terrorism/
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ledbowman
03/21/18 6:21:22 PM
#274:


Ammonitida posted...
ledbowman posted...
Why are you trying so hard to make sure a political motive is why someone would call him a terrorist when that's not an exclusive component.

https://www.secbrief.org/2014/04/definition-of-terrorism/

Yeah I know. Nice dodge.
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_RETS_
03/21/18 6:21:51 PM
#275:


ledbowman posted...
Why are you trying so hard to make sure a political motive is why someone would call him a terrorist when that's not an exclusive component.


Because that is exclusively how terrorism is used in discussion. Broad definitions do not apply.

Again, since you can't answer a simple question, are serial killers terrorists?
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FrisbeeDude
03/21/18 6:22:50 PM
#276:


I stopped looking for white peoples opinion on who and wasn't a terrorist after Dylan Roof. Sorry, not sorry
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ledbowman
03/21/18 6:23:40 PM
#277:


_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...
_RETS_ posted...
which is exclusively how it is used in discussion until liberals whine about a white "terrorist."

Ah there we go.


There we go what? This is true.

Conservatives shouldn't do the same shit toward muslim/minority violence either.

In what world is waiting for facts to be known in order to properly label and represent things a bad thing?

You are doing what I'm sure you hate the right does. There is no reason for it on either side of political spectrum.

Again, I am not denying the the guy is a terrorist, I'm not hoping he isn't ultimately categorized as a terrorist, I am not saying I don't think he is a terrorist. I am saying it is a better idea to wait until you have facts than to start speaking and crying this way or that without the facts. If you think that is wrong, then you are wrong and it is pretty much that simple.

He literally just had all of Austin afraid a bomb could go off anywhere. Not terrorism?
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ledbowman
03/21/18 6:25:00 PM
#278:


_RETS_ posted...
Because that is exclusively how terrorism is used in discussion. Broad definitions do not apply.

Lmfao
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_RETS_
03/21/18 6:28:39 PM
#280:


FrisbeeDude posted...
I stopped looking for white peoples opinion on who and wasn't a terrorist after Dylan Roof. Sorry, not sorry


Dylan Roof was absolutely a terrorist. See how one thing does not always equal another thing you racist dumb ass
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Ammonitida
03/21/18 6:30:25 PM
#281:


Roof even had a manifesto.
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_RETS_
03/21/18 6:32:04 PM
#282:


ledbowman posted...
_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...
_RETS_ posted...
which is exclusively how it is used in discussion until liberals whine about a white "terrorist."

Ah there we go.


There we go what? This is true.

Conservatives shouldn't do the same shit toward muslim/minority violence either.

In what world is waiting for facts to be known in order to properly label and represent things a bad thing?

You are doing what I'm sure you hate the right does. There is no reason for it on either side of political spectrum.

Again, I am not denying the the guy is a terrorist, I'm not hoping he isn't ultimately categorized as a terrorist, I am not saying I don't think he is a terrorist. I am saying it is a better idea to wait until you have facts than to start speaking and crying this way or that without the facts. If you think that is wrong, then you are wrong and it is pretty much that simple.

He literally just had all of Austin afraid a bomb could go off anywhere. Not terrorism?


I know the mood in Austin. I live a handful of miles from where all the bombs went off. It has been an incredibly uneasy week, especially after the tripwire one revealed the threat to be broader in scale.

That doesn't change anything. Everyone would be uneasy with a serial killer at large in the city as well.

Terrorism has a specific definition that is used exclusively when discussing terrorism in both a government sense and a lexicon sense, and while this fuck bag WILL PROBABLY BE PROVEN TO BE A TERRORIST with clear motivations, those motivations are not yet clear.

People being scared or worried does not constitute terrorism by itself. There are criteria that have to be met.

You may have pulled your drool bib up too high and simply just can't see what I've been telling you. In that case, I forgive your incredible ignorance.
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ledbowman
03/21/18 6:32:49 PM
#283:


_RETS_ posted...
you're being overly semantic.

_RETS_ posted...
Because that is exclusively how terrorism is used in discussion. Broad definitions do not apply.

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_RETS_
03/21/18 6:35:40 PM
#284:


ledbowman posted...
_RETS_ posted...
you're being overly semantic.

_RETS_ posted...
Because that is exclusively how terrorism is used in discussion. Broad definitions do not apply.


There is no contradiction there. Ignoring how a word is exclusively used hen discussing world events and instead saying "see my own source says this broad definition applies" is you being extremely dishonest.

Terrorism is a narrow thing and it is used in narrow circumstances. This probably fits. But you don't know, nor have you even pretended to know, anything about this case that fits those circumstances yet. Neither do I. Which is why I haven't said he is or isn't a terrorist, I have only contested the whining about why he isn't called a terrorist yet
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ledbowman
03/21/18 6:38:17 PM
#285:


"Austin wasn't terrorized they were just made uneasy." Stfu
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Proclose
03/21/18 6:38:50 PM
#286:


_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...
_RETS_ posted...
you're being overly semantic.

_RETS_ posted...
Because that is exclusively how terrorism is used in discussion. Broad definitions do not apply.


There is no contradiction there. Ignoring how a word is exclusively used hen discussing world events and instead saying "see my own source says this broad definition applies" is you being extremely dishonest.

Terrorism is a narrow thing and it is used in narrow circumstances. This probably fits. But you don't know, nor have you even pretended to know, anything about this case that fits those circumstances yet. Neither do I. Which is why I haven't said he is or isn't a terrorist, I have only contested the whining about why he isn't called a terrorist yet

Bruh, you're acting like your average person wouldn't call him a terrorist just from the bombings alone, not even getting into motivation. Like, you're not wrong but does it really matter to you this much what label he's being given?
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ledbowman
03/21/18 6:41:45 PM
#287:


At this point, he fits the broad definition. Don't you see that?
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thronedfire2
03/21/18 6:43:01 PM
#288:


Proclose posted...
_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...
_RETS_ posted...
you're being overly semantic.

_RETS_ posted...
Because that is exclusively how terrorism is used in discussion. Broad definitions do not apply.


There is no contradiction there. Ignoring how a word is exclusively used hen discussing world events and instead saying "see my own source says this broad definition applies" is you being extremely dishonest.

Terrorism is a narrow thing and it is used in narrow circumstances. This probably fits. But you don't know, nor have you even pretended to know, anything about this case that fits those circumstances yet. Neither do I. Which is why I haven't said he is or isn't a terrorist, I have only contested the whining about why he isn't called a terrorist yet

Bruh, you're acting like your average person wouldn't call him a terrorist just from the bombings alone, not even getting into motivation. Like, you're not wrong but does it really matter to you this much what label he's being given?


It doesn't matter what the average person calls him if they're incorrect

The average person seems to think an AR15 is an assault rifle, doesn't make it so
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ledbowman
03/21/18 6:44:19 PM
#289:


thronedfire2 posted...
It doesn't matter what the average person calls him if they're incorrect

ledbowman posted...
At this point, he fits the broad definition. Don't you see that?

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_RETS_
03/21/18 6:44:23 PM
#290:


Proclose posted...
_RETS_ posted...
ledbowman posted...
_RETS_ posted...
you're being overly semantic.

_RETS_ posted...
Because that is exclusively how terrorism is used in discussion. Broad definitions do not apply.


There is no contradiction there. Ignoring how a word is exclusively used hen discussing world events and instead saying "see my own source says this broad definition applies" is you being extremely dishonest.

Terrorism is a narrow thing and it is used in narrow circumstances. This probably fits. But you don't know, nor have you even pretended to know, anything about this case that fits those circumstances yet. Neither do I. Which is why I haven't said he is or isn't a terrorist, I have only contested the whining about why he isn't called a terrorist yet

Bruh, you're acting like your average person wouldn't call him a terrorist just from the bombings alone, not even getting into motivation. Like, you're not wrong but does it really matter to you this much what label he's being given?


It doesn't matter to me what label he is given. What annoys me is the whining about "why isn't he being called a terrorist? because he's white!"

When there is actually a reason he isn't being officially labelled as one yet. If I see bullshit narratives, I am going to call them out. This is a bullshit narrative, just like any right wing narrative about Dylan Roof not being a terrorist would be bullshit I would object to and call out
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thronedfire2
03/21/18 6:45:12 PM
#291:


ledbowman posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
It doesn't matter what the average person calls him if they're incorrect

ledbowman posted...
At this point, he fits the broad definition. Don't you see that?


You don't just get to make up a new definition for a word because a bunch of people are wrong
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_RETS_
03/21/18 6:47:35 PM
#292:


ledbowman posted...
"Austin wasn't terrorized they were just made uneasy." Stfu


Word association does not connect things that have specific definitions/applications. If a serial killer was going around indiscriminately stabbing people to death, the town would be "terrorized", but unless the stabber (white, black, arabic, hispanic, etc) fits the definition of terrorism he wouldn't be a terrorist.

I live in Austin. Near most of the blast sites. I think I am qualified enough to describe the mood in the town in the last week.
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_RETS_
03/21/18 6:48:55 PM
#293:


I'd love to do this Texas two-step with you all night, led, but now that the bombings have stopped I am going to go home and enjoy Austin's very own Torchy's tacos. Have a good one
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ledbowman
03/21/18 6:50:41 PM
#294:


thronedfire2 posted...
new definition

Explain.
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ledbowman
03/21/18 6:56:05 PM
#295:


_RETS_ posted...
I'd love to do this Texas two-step with you all night, led, but now that the bombings have stopped I am going to go home and enjoy Austin's very own Torchy's tacos. Have a good one

Cool. My best friend lives there with his wife and 11-month-old. They were pretty scared because random bombs were going off around they city killing people and nobody could stop it or know how big it would get.
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ledbowman
03/21/18 7:41:08 PM
#296:


ledbowman posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
make up a new definition

Explain.

Looks like @thronedfire2 lost his wifi.
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thronedfire2
03/21/18 7:43:12 PM
#297:


I was driving

Just because a series of attacks scares people doesn't make it terrorism. I'm not saying he isn't a terrorist, but they haven't said anything about a motive yet, and the right motive would make it terrorism
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Fam_Fam
03/21/18 7:46:22 PM
#298:


roller coasters kill a few people, and make a lot of people scared, are they terrorists?
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ledbowman
03/21/18 7:48:37 PM
#299:


thronedfire2 posted...
I was driving

Just because a series of attacks scares people doesn't make it terrorism. I'm not saying he isn't a terrorist, but they haven't said anything about a motive yet, and the right motive would make it terrorism

Why do you dismiss the dictionary definition of terrorism in which a political motive is not required?
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thronedfire2
03/21/18 7:51:08 PM
#300:


ledbowman posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
I was driving

Just because a series of attacks scares people doesn't make it terrorism. I'm not saying he isn't a terrorist, but they haven't said anything about a motive yet, and the right motive would make it terrorism

Why do you dismiss the dictionary definition of terrorism in which a political motive is not required?


noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.


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Buzz Killjoy
03/21/18 7:53:40 PM
#301:


I was only really worried when SXSW was still going on, because I thought if somebody really wanted to hurt people it would be there.

The bombs never seemed very sophisticated, more like somebody downloading an Anarchist's Cookbook type of thing and experimenting with it. The action in Oak Hill/Sunset Valley is very close to my house though, so that got more of our attention.

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ledbowman
03/21/18 7:55:40 PM
#302:


thronedfire2 posted...
ledbowman posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
I was driving

Just because a series of attacks scares people doesn't make it terrorism. I'm not saying he isn't a terrorist, but they haven't said anything about a motive yet, and the right motive would make it terrorism

Why do you dismiss the dictionary definition of terrorism in which a political motive is not required?


noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.


?

Especially, not exclusively. Come on man.
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Ammonitida
03/21/18 7:58:13 PM
#303:


Suspect left a taped "confession" of sorts.

http://nbc4i.com/2018/03/21/austin-police-bombing-suspect-left-taped-confession/

Manley says at a news conference that Conditt talks on the recording in great detail about the differences among the bombs he built.

He says that the tape is the outcry of a very challenged young man.
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Anteaterking
03/21/18 8:00:36 PM
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From the producers of "All mass shooters are crazy because you'd have to be crazy to shoot a bunch of people" and "Aren't all crimes hate crimes?" comes the new March hit "Anything that scares people is terrorism"
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